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None of us really know and you don't either. What we know is the UK businesses don't want a Brexit. Businesses don't like uncertainty.fisgard792 wrote:so what do you think will fundamentally change?ZappaMan wrote:Jaysusfisgard792 wrote: nothing will change if we leave the 'european project'.
Because it's a nice opportunity for then to drape themselves in union flags whilst shunning a closer relationship with the South, and appeal to the lowest common denominator of their electorate.iarmhiman wrote:Why are the DUP voting to leave?unseenwork wrote:Leaving the EU makes zero sense for Northern Ireland.
Interested to hear Willie Faloon's views on this. Would NI farmers stop getting their grants in the event of a Brexit?
Wendigo7 wrote:It's not confirmed.terryfinch wrote:UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:
- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.
We would be mad to get out now.
Let the bullshit begin!tabascoboy wrote:June 23rd then...
Has all this been written into a treaty, or is it just an agreement between national leaders with no obligation upon their sucessors?Wendigo7 wrote:It's not confirmed.terryfinch wrote:UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:
- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.
We would be mad to get out now.
Nigel Farage will be knocking one out.AND-y wrote:Let the bullshit begin!tabascoboy wrote:June 23rd then...
Sefton wrote:Enjoy this ladies, Terry and I in agreement is a once in a lifetime experience.terryfinch wrote:UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:
- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.
We would be mad to get out now.
From reading those points Terry wrote. The UK never had to agree to those ever. Definitely 3/4 of those were never in place and the UK in or out of the EU will never agree to a superstate.cachao wrote:Has all this been written into a treaty, or is it just an agreement between national leaders with no obligation upon their sucessors?Wendigo7 wrote:It's not confirmed.terryfinch wrote:UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:
- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.
We would be mad to get out now.
I could have swore a few weeks back you wanted out and those points you mentioned were already existing.terryfinch wrote:Sefton wrote:Enjoy this ladies, Terry and I in agreement is a once in a lifetime experience.terryfinch wrote:UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:
- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.
We would be mad to get out now.
Sefton, you are rarely correct on anything but, in this case, you appear to be right which is good! Must admit the terrifying sight of Nigel Farage, George Galloway and Ian Duncan Smith leading the charge against us is a worry.
iarmhiman wrote:terryfinch wrote:Sefton wrote:Enjoy this ladies, Terry and I in agreement is a once in a lifetime experience.terryfinch wrote:UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:
- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.
We would be mad to get out now.
Sefton, you are rarely correct on anything but, in this case, you appear to be right which is good! Must admit the terrifying sight of Nigel Farage, George Galloway and Ian Duncan Smith leading the charge against us is a worry.
I could have swore a few weeks back you wanted out and those points you mentioned were already existing.
Shameless careerism and opportunism from the blond one, if true - and further confirmation that he is utterly unfit for high office.Robert Peston @Peston 1h1 hour ago
.@BorisJohnson will back leaving EU, I understand, & as I just said on @itvnews - & we'll know the why and how tmrw night
It's entirely characteristic of his political career to date, the man is nothing more than a petty opportunist.MrDominator wrote:Shameless careerism and opportunism from the blond one, if true - and further confirmation that he is utterly unfit for high office.Robert Peston @Peston 1h1 hour ago
.@BorisJohnson will back leaving EU, I understand, & as I just said on @itvnews - & we'll know the why and how tmrw night
Agreed - this decision was made by him as soon as Theresa May came out in favour of staying in. This is entire;y about his chances of winning a Tory party leadership electionunseenwork wrote:It's entirely characteristic of his political career to date, the man is nothing more than a petty opportunist.MrDominator wrote:Shameless careerism and opportunism from the blond one, if true - and further confirmation that he is utterly unfit for high office.Robert Peston @Peston 1h1 hour ago
.@BorisJohnson will back leaving EU, I understand, & as I just said on @itvnews - & we'll know the why and how tmrw night
Even that's not that unusualc69 wrote:They are still serving cabinet ministers. Sturgeon was clearly backing a yes voteSaint wrote:former Tory cabinet ministers calling the current leader a liar isn't anything new
I got confused listening to Sturgeon - I couldn't work out if she was arguing for a Yes vote or a No vote
TranceNRG wrote:What's the significance of 23rd of June? Why did Cameron pick that date and not a weekend date?
Voting in the UK is traditionally done on a Thursday. 23rd June is pretty much the earliest date it can take place from today (there are legal statutes about notification, campaigning time etc.)TranceNRG wrote:What's the significance of 23rd of June? Why did Cameron pick that date and not a weekend date?
Do you think he could have whipped them ?TranceNRG wrote:So it seems quite a few conservative ministers who are in the camp don't actually like the EU but only In the camp because they don't want to go against PM or because leaving EU might be too much trouble. No one seems to actually like the EU much.
Good on Cameron for letting his MPs campaign for either camp.
People might get confused with Britain's Got TalentTranceNRG wrote:What's the significance of 23rd of June? Why did Cameron pick that date and not a weekend date?
Young people don't vote.iarmhiman wrote:Cameron is going to need the young vote as all the old farts will vote to leave.
He should have put that vote on a Saturday.
He'd antagonise a large % of the population who would accuse him of abandoning British tradition in order to appease the EU.iarmhiman wrote:Cameron is going to need the young vote as all the old farts will vote to leave.
He should have put that vote on a Saturday.
What would happen if the EU insisted that their borders need to be locked down out of interest?iarmhiman wrote:The out vote saying they can seal borders? Total fabrication
Unless they want to reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland. See how that goes down.
Ireland won't agree to that.Saint wrote:What would happen if the EU insisted that their borders need to be locked down out of interest?iarmhiman wrote:The out vote saying they can seal borders? Total fabrication
Unless they want to reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland. See how that goes down.
As far as ludicrous hypotheticals go - when Scotland finally votes for independence and then applies to join the EU on their own.Saint wrote:What would happen if the EU insisted that their borders need to be locked down out of interest?iarmhiman wrote:The out vote saying they can seal borders? Total fabrication
Unless they want to reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland. See how that goes down.
Do you get a veto on that?iarmhiman wrote:Ireland won't agree to that.Saint wrote:What would happen if the EU insisted that their borders need to be locked down out of interest?iarmhiman wrote:The out vote saying they can seal borders? Total fabrication
Unless they want to reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland. See how that goes down.
Well, mine, reallySefton wrote:What interest?Saint wrote:What would happen if the EU insisted that their borders need to be locked down out of interest?iarmhiman wrote:The out vote saying they can seal borders? Total fabrication
Unless they want to reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland. See how that goes down.
A veto on what?Saint wrote:Do you get a veto on that?iarmhiman wrote:Ireland won't agree to that.Saint wrote:What would happen if the EU insisted that their borders need to be locked down out of interest?iarmhiman wrote:The out vote saying they can seal borders? Total fabrication
Unless they want to reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland. See how that goes down.
Ireland would say it would bring back large scare terrorism to that part of Europe. Way too risky. Does the UK want to go down that road again?Saint wrote:Do you get a veto on that?iarmhiman wrote:Ireland won't agree to that.Saint wrote:What would happen if the EU insisted that their borders need to be locked down out of interest?iarmhiman wrote:The out vote saying they can seal borders? Total fabrication
Unless they want to reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland. See how that goes down.
Sefton wrote:So nothing rational then.Saint wrote:Well, mine, reallySefton wrote:What interest?Saint wrote:What would happen if the EU insisted that their borders need to be locked down out of interest?iarmhiman wrote:The out vote saying they can seal borders? Total fabrication
Unless they want to reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland. See how that goes down.
Who knows?Petros wrote:If the Brexiters win what is the impact on all the Brit OAPs in Spain? And how many of them are there?
Would be a bit messy getting all your east end gangsters back from Marbella alright.Petros wrote:If the Brexiters win what is the impact on all the Brit OAPs in Spain? And how many of them are there?
