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Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:55 pm
by Nobleman
Glaston wrote:
Nobleman wrote:In
The Conservatives (75% of MPs)
Guido has it as 30% of tory MP's in
40% as out and rest undecided
There are only going to be 80-90 pro Brexit Conservative MPs. The Eurosceptics were hoping for 150+.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:14 pm
by iarmhiman
Actually in the case of Brexit, and Ireland takes in eastern european migrants like it has been doing, would the UK reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland? That would be nasty and could kick off more trouble. It's scaremongering if we know the UK government wouldn't actually do that, but what if they felt it was necessary to stop migrants entering the UK illegally?

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:17 pm
by iarmhiman
Seneca of the Night wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:Actually in the case of Brexit, and Ireland takes in eastern european refugees like it has been doing, would the UK reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland? That would be nasty and could kick off more trouble. It's scaremongering if we know the UK government wouldn't actually do that, but what if they felt it was necessary to stop migrants entering the UK illegally?
Where are these refugees coming from in Eastern Europe?
Edited. I'm all over the place today with this dreadful hangover.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:19 pm
by Tim.
iarmhiman wrote:Actually in the case of Brexit, and Ireland takes in eastern european migrants like it has been doing, would the UK reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland? That would be nasty and could kick off more trouble. It's scaremongering if we know the UK government wouldn't actually do that, but what if they felt it was necessary to stop migrants entering the UK illegally?
They wouldn't simply. There have never been border control controls between Ireland and the UK.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:21 pm
by iarmhiman
Tim. wrote:
iarmhiman wrote:Actually in the case of Brexit, and Ireland takes in eastern european migrants like it has been doing, would the UK reintroduce border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland? That would be nasty and could kick off more trouble. It's scaremongering if we know the UK government wouldn't actually do that, but what if they felt it was necessary to stop migrants entering the UK illegally?
They wouldn't simply. There have never been border control controls between Ireland and the UK.
There were up until the 90s for obvious reasons but what if the British government felt they were necessary for keeping their borders secure?

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:23 pm
by unseenwork
Leaving the EU makes zero sense for Northern Ireland.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:25 pm
by bimboman
As a point of reference, the amount child benefit paid to children living abroad in the rest of the EU is 25 million quid. Ie fudge all , a rounding error, an irrelevant amount. Jeez it's depressing.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:32 pm
by iarmhiman
unseenwork wrote:Leaving the EU makes zero sense for Northern Ireland.
Why are the DUP voting to leave?

Interested to hear Willie Faloon's views on this. Would NI farmers stop getting their grants in the event of a Brexit?

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:34 pm
by terryfinch
UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:

- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.

We would be mad to get out now.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:35 pm
by Wendigo7
terryfinch wrote:UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:

- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.

We would be mad to get out now.
It's not confirmed.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:36 pm
by fisgard792
if you are into democracy and accountability its has to be out

how could anybody vote to stay in without being able to name the top table eu leaders, who pass so many laws that effect them, its totally bizarre

nothing will change if we leave the 'european project'. will countries cut their nose off to spite their face i doubt it, we will still share trade, intelligence on terrorism, criminal activity, it benefits nobody to stop.

this vote is probably the most important vote i will ever have, if any uk government cannot govern the uk without eu interference, then it makes it more important than a general election. our elected ministers are pish, but at least they are ours

hopefully we can get this layer of government cut away, then concentrate on ending the other non-elected gravy train, the house of lords

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:38 pm
by ZappaMan
fisgard792 wrote: nothing will change if we leave the 'european project'.
Jaysus :lol:

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:41 pm
by bimboman
fisgard792 wrote:if you are into democracy and accountability its has to be out

how could anybody vote to stay in without being able to name the top table eu leaders, who pass so many laws that effect them, its totally bizarre

nothing will change if we leave the 'european project'. will countries cut their nose off to spite their face i doubt it, we will still share trade, intelligence on terrorism, criminal activity, it benefits nobody to stop.

this vote is probably the most important vote i will ever have, if any uk government cannot govern the uk without eu interference, then it makes it more important than a general election. our elected ministers are pish, but at least they are ours

hopefully we can get this layer of government cut away, then concentrate on ending the other non-elected gravy train, the house of lords

We will have to sign up to most EU regulation to have any sort of trade with them. If we're not a member we have no input to said regulations. It's a perverse situation but Cameron's potential vetos could give us less European influence than exit.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:47 pm
by fisgard792
ZappaMan wrote:
fisgard792 wrote: nothing will change if we leave the 'european project'.
Jaysus :lol:
so what do you think will fundamentally change?

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:49 pm
by iarmhiman
fisgard792 wrote:
ZappaMan wrote:
fisgard792 wrote: nothing will change if we leave the 'european project'.
Jaysus :lol:
so what do you think will fundamentally change?
None of us really know and you don't either. What we know is the UK businesses don't want a Brexit. Businesses don't like uncertainty.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:51 pm
by unseenwork
iarmhiman wrote:
unseenwork wrote:Leaving the EU makes zero sense for Northern Ireland.
Why are the DUP voting to leave?

Interested to hear Willie Faloon's views on this. Would NI farmers stop getting their grants in the event of a Brexit?
Because it's a nice opportunity for then to drape themselves in union flags whilst shunning a closer relationship with the South, and appeal to the lowest common denominator of their electorate.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:00 pm
by terryfinch
Wendigo7 wrote:
terryfinch wrote:UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:

- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.

We would be mad to get out now.
It's not confirmed.

We would be mad to get out. We have the best of both worlds. The rest is just noise.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:27 pm
by tabascoboy
June 23rd then...

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:38 pm
by AND-y
tabascoboy wrote:June 23rd then...
Let the bullshit begin!

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:42 pm
by cachao
Wendigo7 wrote:
terryfinch wrote:UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:

- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.

We would be mad to get out now.
It's not confirmed.
Has all this been written into a treaty, or is it just an agreement between national leaders with no obligation upon their sucessors?

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:44 pm
by tabascoboy
AND-y wrote:
tabascoboy wrote:June 23rd then...
Let the bullshit begin!
Nigel Farage will be knocking one out.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 7:48 pm
by Sefton
terryfinch wrote:UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:

- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.

We would be mad to get out now.
Enjoy this ladies, Terry and I in agreement is a once in a lifetime experience.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:00 pm
by Glaston
Gove for PM

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:09 pm
by terryfinch
Sefton wrote:
terryfinch wrote:UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:

- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.

We would be mad to get out now.
Enjoy this ladies, Terry and I in agreement is a once in a lifetime experience.

Sefton, you are rarely correct on anything but, in this case, you appear to be right which is good! Must admit the terrifying sight of Nigel Farage, George Galloway and Ian Duncan Smith leading the charge against us is a worry. :lol:

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:09 pm
by iarmhiman
cachao wrote:
Wendigo7 wrote:
terryfinch wrote:UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:

- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.

We would be mad to get out now.
It's not confirmed.
Has all this been written into a treaty, or is it just an agreement between national leaders with no obligation upon their sucessors?
From reading those points Terry wrote. The UK never had to agree to those ever. Definitely 3/4 of those were never in place and the UK in or out of the EU will never agree to a superstate.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:11 pm
by iarmhiman
terryfinch wrote:
Sefton wrote:
terryfinch wrote:UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:

- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.

We would be mad to get out now.
Enjoy this ladies, Terry and I in agreement is a once in a lifetime experience.

Sefton, you are rarely correct on anything but, in this case, you appear to be right which is good! Must admit the terrifying sight of Nigel Farage, George Galloway and Ian Duncan Smith leading the charge against us is a worry. :lol:
I could have swore a few weeks back you wanted out and those points you mentioned were already existing.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:14 pm
by terryfinch
iarmhiman wrote:
terryfinch wrote:
Sefton wrote:
terryfinch wrote:UK has a great deal. We are in the EU and can trade freely but:

- No Schengen
- No Euro
- No 'ever closer union' or a United State of Europe for us
- No disadvantage from being outside the disasterous Eurozone.

We would be mad to get out now.
Enjoy this ladies, Terry and I in agreement is a once in a lifetime experience.

Sefton, you are rarely correct on anything but, in this case, you appear to be right which is good! Must admit the terrifying sight of Nigel Farage, George Galloway and Ian Duncan Smith leading the charge against us is a worry. :lol:


I could have swore a few weeks back you wanted out and those points you mentioned were already existing.

No, never been an 'outer', just think the Euro is a disaster for the poor sods caught up in it.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 1:21 am
by MrDominator
Robert Peston ‏@Peston 1h1 hour ago

.@BorisJohnson will back leaving EU, I understand, & as I just said on @itvnews - & we'll know the why and how tmrw night
Shameless careerism and opportunism from the blond one, if true - and further confirmation that he is utterly unfit for high office.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 1:35 am
by unseenwork
MrDominator wrote:
Robert Peston ‏@Peston 1h1 hour ago

.@BorisJohnson will back leaving EU, I understand, & as I just said on @itvnews - & we'll know the why and how tmrw night
Shameless careerism and opportunism from the blond one, if true - and further confirmation that he is utterly unfit for high office.
It's entirely characteristic of his political career to date, the man is nothing more than a petty opportunist.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:08 am
by Saint
unseenwork wrote:
MrDominator wrote:
Robert Peston ‏@Peston 1h1 hour ago

.@BorisJohnson will back leaving EU, I understand, & as I just said on @itvnews - & we'll know the why and how tmrw night
Shameless careerism and opportunism from the blond one, if true - and further confirmation that he is utterly unfit for high office.
It's entirely characteristic of his political career to date, the man is nothing more than a petty opportunist.
Agreed - this decision was made by him as soon as Theresa May came out in favour of staying in. This is entire;y about his chances of winning a Tory party leadership election

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:27 am
by C69
Dave on the beeb on AM show soon.
I suspect the Gove and Boris alliance and the schism of the Tories will be high on the agenda.
Former cabinet ministers calling Dave a scaremongering liar is not not a great look for the Tories.

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:33 am
by Saint
former Tory cabinet ministers calling the current leader a liar isn't anything new

I got confused listening to Sturgeon - I couldn't work out if she was arguing for a Yes vote or a No vote

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:35 am
by C69
Saint wrote:former Tory cabinet ministers calling the current leader a liar isn't anything new

I got confused listening to Sturgeon - I couldn't work out if she was arguing for a Yes vote or a No vote
They are still serving cabinet ministers. Sturgeon was clearly backing a yes vote :uhoh:

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:37 am
by TranceNRG
What's the significance of 23rd of June? Why did Cameron pick that date and not a weekend date?

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:39 am
by Saint
c69 wrote:
Saint wrote:former Tory cabinet ministers calling the current leader a liar isn't anything new

I got confused listening to Sturgeon - I couldn't work out if she was arguing for a Yes vote or a No vote
They are still serving cabinet ministers. Sturgeon was clearly backing a yes vote :uhoh:
Even that's not that unusual

As for Sturgeon - she was more caught up in how Scotland wanted a different EU to England. Equivocal was putting it mildly

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:39 am
by Dobbin
TranceNRG wrote:What's the significance of 23rd of June? Why did Cameron pick that date and not a weekend date?

thursday is the traditional day for voting

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:43 am
by C69
TranceNRG wrote:What's the significance of 23rd of June? Why did Cameron pick that date and not a weekend date?
We vote on Thursdays in the UK. Ffs :lol:

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:44 am
by TranceNRG
What do the latest polls say?

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:46 am
by Saint
TranceNRG wrote:What's the significance of 23rd of June? Why did Cameron pick that date and not a weekend date?
Voting in the UK is traditionally done on a Thursday. 23rd June is pretty much the earliest date it can take place from today (there are legal statutes about notification, campaigning time etc.)

Re: OFFICIAL EU/UK referendum thread

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:46 am
by C69
TranceNRG wrote:What do the latest polls say?
Depends upon which ones you read.
Get used to polls there will be a different one every other day.