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OhNo wrote:

unseenwork wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:And no, England has never felt European and the Europeans have never accepted us like they accept each other.

He is Welsh and your edit says a lot more about you.

I know.

The idea that any trade deal with the US wouldn't see Britain bending and spreading...

Hellraiser wrote:The idea that any trade deal with the US wouldn't see Britain bending and spreading...

Well now the EU has tried to make an honest women out of Ireland they'll pay for the privilege...

unseenwork wrote:

OhNo wrote:

unseenwork wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:And no, England has never felt European and the Europeans have never accepted us like they accept each other.

He is Welsh and your edit says a lot more about you.

I know.

Sorry, I thought you were getting angry again.

OhNo wrote:

unseenwork wrote:

OhNo wrote:

unseenwork wrote:

dr dre2 wrote:And no, England has never felt European and the Europeans have never accepted us like they accept each other.

He is Welsh and your edit says a lot more about you.

I know.

Sorry, I thought you were getting angry again.

Oh no, I'm just permanently angry these days.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/s ... e24ab0ec18

Great bunch of lads on a trip to try and strongarm the Supreme Court in a fine showing of democracy and patriotism...

@britainelects

Regarding Britain's exit from the EU, the government should prioritise...
Single market access: 42%
Reducing immigration: 43%
(via ComRes)

Boris Johnson has told the EU whinge club led by the fat plum Juncker who are worried about Trump, he's not interested in attending it

DragsterDriver wrote:

fisgard792 wrote:

DragsterDriver wrote:

SamShark wrote:

DragsterDriver wrote:A second referendum would tear the country apart, there isn't any way back.

I think many people feel that leaving the EU would tear the country apart and do untold damage.

The Government's "we know best" approach is damaging. If they were more open people would be less likely to shit stir - the "you don't reveal your negotiating hand" stuff is wearing a little thin, because the PM has repeatedly said it's all about immigration.

Nobody seems to be able to get a straight answer from Brexiters whether it is or isn't all about immigration.

To me, and I am a real person just like a Brexiter, screwing everything on the basis of border control will tear the country apart and as far as I know nobody has voted for that.

That's just my opinion - I'm not saying I'm right or have more knowledge or insight than anyone else.

I'm not saying either side is right or wrong- only that it would tear the country apart There has been a lot of internet talk from the remain camp but we don't really want the leave campaign plus friends out on the streets.

Would leave win another referendum? I think so. The disaster of 'project fear' didn't happen so a lot of fence sitters who went with in could well now vote out. Could more people be encouraged to vote because the 'establishment is trying to subvert the will of the people', i think so.

As i said recently, Trump getting elected is our get out of jail card- i firmly believe that will save us from disaster financially, look at the eu's hostility to him. It's an unbelievable stroke of luck.... almost enough that i'd vote leave this time.

it certainly changes the dynamic, which i am sure was not factored in seriously by anyone

already, thru the media, trump is back-pedalling on some things, for example, i heard he's going to accept some parts of obama care, which he was committed to scrapping all of it early on

Yup- he's certainly better for us than Hillary though. All politicians lie and back pedal goes with the turf

i think its great that the 30+ years of the bush-clinton dynasty has gone (i hope), not so sure i wanted trump to be the dude to do it

haunch wrote:@britainelects

Regarding Britain's exit from the EU, the government should prioritise...
Single market access: 42%
Reducing immigration: 43%
(via ComRes)

So the net result we'll get will be to do neither.

Just another day sticking it to the elite..

Farage was on Neil Cavuto on Fox today in the US. Cavuto kept having to interrupt Farage as he wasn't quite sure if Farage would completely on board with the Fox messaging.

Weird to see a clear Opportunist Trump ally being managed hard in such a way. They really are not sure about him - good spot, although he is still the appointed 'special liaison' for the US-UK special needs relationship.

Just the lads, having the craic.

Fraternize with colonies.

Good stuff, Donnie.

c69 wrote:Corbyn on Marr atm.
Given a pretty tame ride tbh.

By "red Andy" ,

Who'd have thought that.

bimboman wrote:

c69 wrote:Corbyn on Marr atm.
Given a pretty tame ride tbh.

By "red Andy" ,

Who'd have thought that.

Can't be harassing poor Jeremy.

c69 wrote:The London Elites

Provincial peasants.

c69 wrote:

henry wrote:

c69 wrote:The London Elites

Provincial peasants.

Perhaps you Corbyn, Bimbo and Marr are part of the problem.
Out of touch wannabe Metropolitans spreading their own agenda.

That would be one f ucked up dinner party, and yet still prefered.

c69 wrote:

henry wrote:

c69 wrote:The London Elites

Provincial peasants.

Perhaps you Corbyn, Bimbo and Marr are part of the problem.
Out of touch wannabe Metropolitans spreading their own agenda.

Wannabe metropolitans?


Your sort gave us Brexit and Trump. And probably Le Pen. Unsophisticated angry dunderheads.

Dunderhead, that's a classic. Not heard that for years

DragsterDriver wrote:Dunderhead, that's a classic. Not heard that for years

It's still 1996 up north.

c69 wrote:

henry wrote:

c69 wrote:

henry wrote:

c69 wrote:The London Elites

Provincial peasants.

Perhaps you Corbyn, Bimbo and Marr are part of the problem.
Out of touch wannabe Metropolitans spreading their own agenda.

Wannabe metropolitans?


Your sort gave us Brexit and Trump. And probably Le Pen. Unsophisticated angry dunderheads.

Ah short memories from a Brexiteer.

Further evidence of the post-fact nature of your sort.

It doesn't.

henry wrote:

c69 wrote:The London Elites

Provincial peasants.

loser.

An extract from an article in this morning's Irish Times reporting on a meeting between leaving Fox and an Irish minister:

Ms Mitchell O’Connor was surprised by the approach taken by Dr Fox at their recent meeting. He is understood to have said Britain wants to maintain access to the EU single market but also exercise control over immigration, which is at odds with the EU position that single market access must be accompanied by free movement of people.
It is understood Dr Fox said that if the UK was not granted access to the single market, the EU would have to pay compensation to countries such as South Korea, with whom the EU has a free trade deal. Losing Britain as a member of the single market meant the market for South Korea would shrink, and the EU would have to pay compensation to that country for it.

What planet is this guy on? It has already been established by the British government itself vis-à-vis the Nissan precedent that it will be Britain paying compensation for failing to get access to the single market not the other way around.

Mathew D'Ancona in the Guardian:

"....They dislike immigration, and “political correctness”, and I dare say they do. But – like the Brexiteers and the president-elect – what they offer instead lacks detail, depth, and plausibility.

In the UK, we are allegedly “taking back control”. But how, exactly? In his meandering acceptance speech, Trump pledged to “put millions of our people to work”. Again: how? What does he know that his presidential predecessors didn’t?

For a start, the protectionism he has promised is a dead end: we know how that movie ends. As the PM will declare in a speech at the Mansion House on Monday night, the great task now is not to tear down globalisation but to make it work more equitably, not least for those “who see their jobs being outsourced and wages undercut”. This is the task of generations, not years.

What will not change – whoever is in the White House, wherever Britain stands in relation to the EU – is the intermingling, porousness and interdependence of the modern world. No wall or act of secession can halt these forces in their tracks. Nor would it make any sense to do so: the vigorous exchange of goods and labour is the greatest engine of prosperity the world has ever known. See how all those angry Trump voters like it when their smartphones cost $1,000.

Consider again that unlovely image of the president-elect and Farage: their smugness, their schoolboy brio, their confidence that common sense has at last prevailed. They believe that in their different ways they incarnate the “change” that is needed. God help them both when the voters spot the con."

The difference between the USA and most other countries, is that they are big enough to make protectionism work to a level that few others could. It may not be quite as efficient as it would be if opened up to competition, there may not be quite the level of choice there is now, prices may be a bit higher, but the US is a big enough market to provide competition and economies of scale behind the barriers that would never happen in, for example, the UK.

I'm not agreeing with it, but it is possible to paint a scenario where a protectionist US is reasonably prosperous, and by dint of more work being done in the US as opposed to having been outsourced to other countries, is seen by Trump supporters to be delivering the US they aspire to.

Edinburgh01 wrote:The difference between the USA and most other countries, is that they are big enough to make protectionism work to a level that few others could. It may not be quite as efficient as it would be if opened up to competition, there may not be quite the level of choice there is now, prices may be a bit higher, but the US is a big enough market to provide competition and economies of scale behind the barriers that would never happen in, for example, the UK.

I'm not agreeing with it, but it is possible to paint a scenario where a protectionist US is reasonably prosperous, and by dint of more work being done in the US as opposed to having been outsourced to other countries, is seen by Trump supporters to be delivering the US they aspire to.

Wasn't true in the 30s, I find it hard to believe it has become true since. True self-sufficiency has been the dream of much of humanity for centuries, and it has never really been possible

Chuckles1188 wrote:

Edinburgh01 wrote:The difference between the USA and most other countries, is that they are big enough to make protectionism work to a level that few others could. It may not be quite as efficient as it would be if opened up to competition, there may not be quite the level of choice there is now, prices may be a bit higher, but the US is a big enough market to provide competition and economies of scale behind the barriers that would never happen in, for example, the UK.

I'm not agreeing with it, but it is possible to paint a scenario where a protectionist US is reasonably prosperous, and by dint of more work being done in the US as opposed to having been outsourced to other countries, is seen by Trump supporters to be delivering the US they aspire to.

Wasn't true in the 30s, I find it hard to believe it has become true since. True self-sufficiency has been the dream of much of humanity for centuries, and it has never really been possible

American apparel clothes company just went bust. Their USP was that their clothes were made in the US and not in sweatshops. People won't pay the true price of producing these things in the west.

Its time for the people to take their country's back

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... referendum

Marine Le Pen, Beppe Grillo, Geert Wilders, Frauke Petry: has their big moment arrived?

With elections due across Europe and a referendum in Italy, the establishment fears political tremors

Duff Paddy wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:

Edinburgh01 wrote:The difference between the USA and most other countries, is that they are big enough to make protectionism work to a level that few others could. It may not be quite as efficient as it would be if opened up to competition, there may not be quite the level of choice there is now, prices may be a bit higher, but the US is a big enough market to provide competition and economies of scale behind the barriers that would never happen in, for example, the UK.

I'm not agreeing with it, but it is possible to paint a scenario where a protectionist US is reasonably prosperous, and by dint of more work being done in the US as opposed to having been outsourced to other countries, is seen by Trump supporters to be delivering the US they aspire to.

Wasn't true in the 30s, I find it hard to believe it has become true since. True self-sufficiency has been the dream of much of humanity for centuries, and it has never really been possible

American apparel clothes company just went bust. Their USP was that their clothes were made in the US and not in sweatshops. People won't pay the true price of producing these things in the west.

Yup, it's not undo-able. Can't unwind the treaties, the infrastructure, the supply chains, the everything. And even if you could the jobs aren't coming back as you'd be cheaper automating. This is an undeliverable for Trump. He can put some tariffs on some goods from some countries but that'll mostly hit the poor people buying kids' clothes at Walmart.

In an ironic twist it would appear that sterling's fall against the euro has resulted in the UKs contribution to the EU for 2017 increasing by several hundred million pounds.

https://www.ft.com/content/f489beb2-a83 ... 899e8bd9d1

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:

Edinburgh01 wrote:The difference between the USA and most other countries, is that they are big enough to make protectionism work to a level that few others could. It may not be quite as efficient as it would be if opened up to competition, there may not be quite the level of choice there is now, prices may be a bit higher, but the US is a big enough market to provide competition and economies of scale behind the barriers that would never happen in, for example, the UK.

I'm not agreeing with it, but it is possible to paint a scenario where a protectionist US is reasonably prosperous, and by dint of more work being done in the US as opposed to having been outsourced to other countries, is seen by Trump supporters to be delivering the US they aspire to.

Wasn't true in the 30s, I find it hard to believe it has become true since. True self-sufficiency has been the dream of much of humanity for centuries, and it has never really been possible

American apparel clothes company just went bust. Their USP was that their clothes were made in the US and not in sweatshops. People won't pay the true price of producing these things in the west.

Yup, it's not undo-able. Can't unwind the treaties, the infrastructure, the supply chains, the everything. And even if you could the jobs aren't coming back as you'd be cheaper automating. This is an undeliverable for Trump. He can put some tariffs on some goods from some countries but that'll mostly hit the poor people buying kids' clothes at Walmart.

Do you honestly think he cares?

camroc1 wrote:In an ironic twist it would appear that sterling's fall against the euro has resulted in the UKs contribution to the EU for 2017 increasing by several hundred million pounds.

https://www.ft.com/content/f489beb2-a83 ... 899e8bd9d1

- that should get the leavers frothing.

theo wrote:

camroc1 wrote:In an ironic twist it would appear that sterling's fall against the euro has resulted in the UKs contribution to the EU for 2017 increasing by several hundred million pounds.

https://www.ft.com/content/f489beb2-a83 ... 899e8bd9d1

- that should get the leavers frothing.

Delicious ironing.

We're tearing apart democracy and for what?

DAC2016 wrote:We're tearing apart democracy and for what?

Partly I think for the hell of it. There's a little nihilistic vibe to it - this is f**ked, I can't see it getting any worse for me so if it makes it worse for you then fine, fudge you.

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:

DAC2016 wrote:We're tearing apart democracy and for what?

Partly I think for the hell of it. There's a little nihilistic vibe to it - this is f**k, I can't see it getting any worse for me so if it makes it worse for you then fine, f**k you.

I wouldn't say you're wrong but for me we're on the verge of scraping democracy so we can rejoin a relationship were although they used to beat us and abuse us they somehow make us feel safe.

Now that is f**ked.

Rinkals wrote:

TheDocForgotHisLogon wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:

Chuckles1188 wrote:

Edinburgh01 wrote:The difference between the USA and most other countries, is that they are big enough to make protectionism work to a level that few others could. It may not be quite as efficient as it would be if opened up to competition, there may not be quite the level of choice there is now, prices may be a bit higher, but the US is a big enough market to provide competition and economies of scale behind the barriers that would never happen in, for example, the UK.

I'm not agreeing with it, but it is possible to paint a scenario where a protectionist US is reasonably prosperous, and by dint of more work being done in the US as opposed to having been outsourced to other countries, is seen by Trump supporters to be delivering the US they aspire to.

Wasn't true in the 30s, I find it hard to believe it has become true since. True self-sufficiency has been the dream of much of humanity for centuries, and it has never really been possible

American apparel clothes company just went bust. Their USP was that their clothes were made in the US and not in sweatshops. People won't pay the true price of producing these things in the west.

Yup, it's not undo-able. Can't unwind the treaties, the infrastructure, the supply chains, the everything. And even if you could the jobs aren't coming back as you'd be cheaper automating. This is an undeliverable for Trump. He can put some tariffs on some goods from some countries but that'll mostly hit the poor people buying kids' clothes at Walmart.

Do you honestly think he cares?

He'll want good news stories, but it seems more likely he'll just fire people who bring him bad news than address the issues.