English clubs have no heart

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Chuckles1188 wrote:
Keith wrote:
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Floppykid wrote:No one can say he's wrong.
I can. He's talking out of his bottom if he's talking about all of them. Sarries are a bit soulless for sure but they're the exception rather than the rule
Add the Coventry Wasps to that list.
They've put in a damn sight more effort into building a relationship with the city than CCFC have in my lifetime. Several players spend time at Broadstreet RFC, Coventry RFC have reported that the club were nothing but courteous to them from the beginning, they offered a bunch of free tickets to their games to schools around the city on first arriving and maintain dialogue with local schools, they have offered coaching resources to and got a good response from lots of local schools (and indeed one of them has switched from football to rugby as their main sports focus largely thanks to the superior support the club offer compared to their football counterparts), and they made a lot of overtures to local businesses upon first arriving and continue to be a common venue for business meetings. It's pretty tough to imagine how much more they could be doing.
I had coffee with one of their development guys in the autumn and was shocked (but also impressed) as to how far they're going. It's not just direct support of the rugby, but he said they even partner with teachers to do drop-in sessions in things like maths lessons, doing some practical maths (I should have joked 'betting odds and the like?' but it was more stats, measurements, etc ... which is pretty cool. I've been kicking goals since school, but couldn't for the life of me tell you how long a kick is on a given angle.)

He was also saying that at events where they and Wuss were both in attendance, they put on a flashier show and had more visits (could be exaggerating a bit, but saw some pics that suggested truth).
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Based on a combination of that and other things I know, Wuss are taking a much more "traditional" approach (using Sixways as a meeting venue etc), whereas Wasps are willing to be a bit more creative.
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Chuckles1188 wrote:Based on a combination of that and other things I know, Wuss are taking a much more "traditional" approach (using Sixways as a meeting venue etc), whereas Wasps are willing to be a bit more creative.
The idea I loved from talking with the guy at Wuss, was getting people into the facility for summer touch. (I put it to our director, but he didn't move on it.) Said they went around to different businesses and orgs asking them to put in teams, sweetening the pot when they could say: "Hey, x bank, have you heard that y bank has a team?" We also have a club house with a bar and any way to get people in there on an otherwise dead night is money in the bank.

Getting The Ricoh was such a coup, though. When visiting, I felt I was in more of a convention centre than a sports club. So many people in business suits and not a track suit to be seen.
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Nieghorn wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:Based on a combination of that and other things I know, Wuss are taking a much more "traditional" approach (using Sixways as a meeting venue etc), whereas Wasps are willing to be a bit more creative.
The idea I loved from talking with the guy at Wuss, was getting people into the facility for summer touch. (I put it to our director, but he didn't move on it.) Said they went around to different businesses and orgs asking them to put in teams, sweetening the pot when they could say: "Hey, x bank, have you heard that y bank has a team?" We also have a club house with a bar and any way to get people in there on an otherwise dead night is money in the bank.

Getting The Ricoh was such a coup, though. When visiting, I felt I was in more of a convention centre than a sports club. So many people in business suits and not a track suit to be seen.
The Ricoh/JLR (what it will be called soon I believe) was always envisaged as more than just a sports stadium. Unfortunately the people in charge completely ballsed up every aspect of it - they just ruined the sports side less than everything else.

When it first opened it was used as a concert venue fairly regularly. The Red Hot Chillis played there, along with Bruce Springsteen IIRC. Hasn't been used for that in about a decade now. The previous owners were pathetically incompetent, but Wasps seem to know what they're about
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MrDominator wrote:If I'd just hired a CEO who talks such obvious shite, I'd worry about what I'd just done.

The bloke sounds completely mental.
You can't blame the bloke for trying to keep hold of the player. However such a transparent desperation dis does make him look a bit pathetic.
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Looks like Hore has touched a nerve alright. Little Englanders are getting a bit frothy and precious here.

Is there something in it? Is rugby not that important to the heart of the communities? Maybe soccer is a big part, or bigger part?

;)
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Hore would've been better off just suggesting he google Coventry

I see some Aussie has suggested linking up with Cippers will send Beale off the rails again:
Should Beale join Wasps be would be reunited with Danny Cipriani next season, after the England fly-half decided to return to his first club following a successful spell with Sale, and former Wallabies player Ross Reynolds says this should be a concern for the ARU.

"He had a lot of trouble down here with Cipriani, and others, with their off-field activities and that's why Cheika targeted Beale to bring him back to Sydney where he had that home environment to keep him under the leash, so to speak," Reynolds said.
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Yourmother wrote:Looks like Hore has touched a nerve alright. Little Englanders are getting a bit frothy and precious here.

Is there something in it? Is rugby not that important to the heart of the communities? Maybe soccer is a big part, or bigger part?

;)
Of course it is you f**king twattycake. That's not a WUM it's a statement of fact
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Yourmother wrote:Looks like Hore has touched a nerve alright. Little Englanders are getting a bit frothy and precious here.

Is there something in it? Is rugby not that important to the heart of the communities? Maybe soccer is a big part, or bigger part?

;)
You would say that wouldn't you but I don't see his remarks as being aimed at the English. Just a desperate bid to keep hold of a player. As I said you can't blame the man for trying.
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Yourmother wrote:Looks like Hore has touched a nerve alright. Little Englanders are getting a bit frothy and precious here.

Is there something in it? Is rugby not that important to the heart of the communities? Maybe soccer is a big part, or bigger part?

;)
Rugby is important to some communities in England. In areas like mine, not so much. The AP clubs work bloody hard within local rugby communities though, all across the country.
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under the leash, so to speak
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Coach desperately trying to hold onto star player shock.
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Keith wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:
Keith wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:
Floppykid wrote:No one can say he's wrong.
I can. He's talking out of his bottom if he's talking about all of them. Sarries are a bit soulless for sure but they're the exception rather than the rule
Add the Coventry Wasps to that list.
They've put in a damn sight more effort into building a relationship with the city than CCFC have in my lifetime. Several players spend time at Broadstreet RFC, Coventry RFC have reported that the club were nothing but courteous to them from the beginning, they offered a bunch of free tickets to their games to schools around the city on first arriving and maintain dialogue with local schools, they have offered coaching resources to and got a good response from lots of local schools (and indeed one of them has switched from football to rugby as their main sports focus largely thanks to the superior support the club offer compared to their football counterparts), and they made a lot of overtures to local businesses upon first arriving and continue to be a common venue for business meetings. It's pretty tough to imagine how much more they could be doing.
As a non-Pest, the new stadium is dull, they're a London club playing in Coventry, and they're full of bought-in players, many of whom are foreign. I imagine in a few years they'll address the majority of those points, but at the moment, they're no better than an NFL franchise to me.
You think the Ricoh is dull? :shock: Did you ever visit Adams Park? The facilties at the Ricoh are superb in comparison, and once the bar staff are a bit more clued up it'll be even better. There isnt a bad view in ground and some of the seats are padded (inc ours). There is a casino on site and whenever possible, the Jaguar Hall becomes a fans village providing not only refreshments but entertainment as well.

Furthermore, there are plans afoot to expand/improve the site... I cannot say what these include yet as I dont actually know...

Dull, huh? What would make it more exciting then? I think we need to be told Keith.
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croyals wrote:
Yourmother wrote:Looks like Hore has touched a nerve alright. Little Englanders are getting a bit frothy and precious here.

Is there something in it? Is rugby not that important to the heart of the communities? Maybe soccer is a big part, or bigger part?

;)
Rugby is important to some communities in England. In areas like mine, not so much. The AP clubs work bloody hard within local rugby communities though, all across the country.
Quite, if you go to most areas then football is so far ahead then it's not even up for discussion, but that doesn't mean the rugby cub isn't very important for the minority who do follow it. And there are a few towns such as Gloucetser, Bath, Exeter, Bedford, Northampton where rugby is the more dominant sport, and then there's Leicester who are quite outstanding in being so good at rugby, cricket and football.

If people want to mock fans of clubs such as Newcastle, Quins or a Sale that they're dwarfed when compared to the local football teams then it's an easy target, but it seems a very odd one too, there isn't a rugby club/franchise anywhere who'd come close to some of those football teams.
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i think its a game for girls anyway - should be played in the new stella mac GB budgie smugglers!
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globus wrote:What about spades and diamonds?
:P

And well fucq, they've dominated the Euro scene up til now and have played the most relevant, tight brand of adapted/modern Rugby consistently - what happens when they put the heart in ?
They've no heart ay, well they've certainly got brains and lungs ...and legs, and arms and hands... and eyes...
plus that Hore dude's a total bish tbh, why are we lsng to him !
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