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SC hearings on now. Although I disagree with her politics I like Amy Rabbit. Not enough to trust her with my family's reproductive rights, but she's a good egg; not a sleazeball like Kavanaugh. I hear she failed her first Trump interview. He probably asked her for a look and she rebuked him.
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6.Jones wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:42 pm There have always been rumors he's a bigtime stimulant enthusiast, although they come from the snarky world of showbiz. It's hard to get a dead cat to bounce with stimulants. Maybe those steroids.
...and a GENUINE flood of adrenaline from surviving - there are accounts that he was properly scared when diagnosed and there has been a sense of 'heroic invulnerability' to his tweets since then.
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ManInTheBar wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:45 pm
6.Jones wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:42 pm There have always been rumors he's a bigtime stimulant enthusiast, although they come from the snarky world of showbiz. It's hard to get a dead cat to bounce with stimulants. Maybe those steroids.
...and a GENUINE flood of adrenaline from surviving - there are accounts that he was properly scared when diagnosed and there has been a sense of 'heroic invulnerability' to his tweets since then.
I'd be scared.
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6.Jones wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:47 pm
ManInTheBar wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:45 pm
6.Jones wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:42 pm There have always been rumors he's a bigtime stimulant enthusiast, although they come from the snarky world of showbiz. It's hard to get a dead cat to bounce with stimulants. Maybe those steroids.
...and a GENUINE flood of adrenaline from surviving - there are accounts that he was properly scared when diagnosed and there has been a sense of 'heroic invulnerability' to his tweets since then.
I'd be scared.
Indeed. I don't have the impression you'd wear a superman t-shirt afterwards though. Or perhaps you do go for the balcony scene thing?
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Santa wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:08 am
Sonny Blount wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:55 pm
6.Jones wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:18 pm
Sonny Blount wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:52 am
Thomas wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:47 am

That's weird. The police say the opposite.

What's your source?

But anyway, using the Rittenhouse excuse...it was self defence, right?
A Matt Dolloff being photographed at an Occupy march [especially carrying an American flag] doesn't really make your case.
There is nothing suggesting he is currently a 'radical'.

There are a series of pictures of him protesting at Occupy (all respectful protest pics), an email suggesting he was involved with organisation of Occupy.

He is a registered Democrat and his social media posting has some left wing stuff such as using #ftp, fudge Trump comments, follows Bernie, the confederate flag = swastika, calling Trump supporters racist (to their face in his words).

Speculation about his space invaders tattoo turns out to be bullshit, the social media posting is not that dense in his history, and there are some moderate comments as well. Considering he is 30 and his Occupy involvement was in 2012, I think you can currently say it looks like he aligns with the left and was involved in left wing protests as a younger man.
He and the TV station look like they are in serious trouble. He wasn't licensed as a security guard, it doesn't look like he was permitted to carry or use a firearm as he wasn't a licensed security guard, and he wasn't wearing a uniform identifying himself as a security guard. The self defence case looks a bit weak too, but I guess we'll see on that one.

He shot the guy in the muthfukkin' face.
Madness. It's crazy.
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6.Jones wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:47 pm
ManInTheBar wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:45 pm
6.Jones wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:42 pm There have always been rumors he's a bigtime stimulant enthusiast, although they come from the snarky world of showbiz. It's hard to get a dead cat to bounce with stimulants. Maybe those steroids.
...and a GENUINE flood of adrenaline from surviving - there are accounts that he was properly scared when diagnosed and there has been a sense of 'heroic invulnerability' to his tweets since then.
I'd be scared.
Above all I fear the lame duck months....
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Trump claims he is immune and acts as if he was. God complex anyone?

SARS-Cov2 says "hold my beer"
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Doesn't matter if he is immune or not...

...Rudi has declared that people don't die from Covid anymore. The Pandemic is over :thumbup:
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C69 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:04 am :lol: he wants to kiss all the audience.


Moron
it defies all sorts of logic that in a pandemic that has killed 4 times as many as the Vietnam war that the President is aggressively trolling the population calling them pussies for wearing masks ; playing the fiddle as Rome burns ;
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ticketlessinseattle wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:13 pm
C69 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:04 am :lol: he wants to kiss all the audience.


Moron
it defies all sorts of logic that in a pandemic that has killed 4 times as many as the Vietnam war that the President is aggressively trolling the population calling them pussies for wearing masks ; playing the fiddle as Rome burns ;
It doesn't even make sense, the polling on this is appalling for him so what's the upside?
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piquant wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:57 pm
ticketlessinseattle wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:13 pm
C69 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:04 am :lol: he wants to kiss all the audience.


Moron
it defies all sorts of logic that in a pandemic that has killed 4 times as many as the Vietnam war that the President is aggressively trolling the population calling them pussies for wearing masks ; playing the fiddle as Rome burns ;
It doesn't even make sense, the polling on this is appalling for him so what's the upside?
"All the voices in his head, calling Gloria"

My take from a distance:

A major part of his schtick has been Trump-the-over-achiever (billionnaire, stable genius, knowing everything about everything). In another man you might call it the Nietzschean superman theory. It has worked well for him over many years and there remain very significant numbers of American voters for whom his "personal strength" is an attractive quality against what the equivocation of traditional politicians.

But BUT - Covid has no care for this and with each fresh family with a significant infection a new circle of people have the scales removed from their eyes.
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What's puzzling is how Trump could be winning this election easy. His cult following will never abandon him, he could declare he's pro-choice tomorrow and they'd say "yeah...freedom!" - So why does he play only to them? Why hasn't anyone on his campaign told him his base will never abandon him and so it's safe to widen the net by not being a stupid piece of shit?
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6.Jones wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:47 pm
ManInTheBar wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:45 pm
6.Jones wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:42 pm There have always been rumors he's a bigtime stimulant enthusiast, although they come from the snarky world of showbiz. It's hard to get a dead cat to bounce with stimulants. Maybe those steroids.
...and a GENUINE flood of adrenaline from surviving - there are accounts that he was properly scared when diagnosed and there has been a sense of 'heroic invulnerability' to his tweets since then.
I'd be scared.
Apparently Trump lost it and kept asking am I going to die. I honestly think I would be presidential especially knowing what we know about the progression and the nominal hit rate.
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ManInTheBar wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:48 pm
6.Jones wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:47 pm
ManInTheBar wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:45 pm
6.Jones wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:42 pm There have always been rumors he's a bigtime stimulant enthusiast, although they come from the snarky world of showbiz. It's hard to get a dead cat to bounce with stimulants. Maybe those steroids.
...and a GENUINE flood of adrenaline from surviving - there are accounts that he was properly scared when diagnosed and there has been a sense of 'heroic invulnerability' to his tweets since then.
I'd be scared.
Indeed. I don't have the impression you'd wear a superman t-shirt afterwards though. Or perhaps you do go for the balcony scene thing?
If it doesn't involve either Rapunzel or at least one foxy Capulet then a balcony scene is uncalled for,
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Cabbage wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:25 pm What's puzzling is how Trump could be winning this election easy. His cult following will never abandon him, he could declare he's pro-choice tomorrow and they'd say "yeah...freedom!" - So why does he play only to them? Why hasn't anyone on his campaign told him his base will never abandon him and so it's safe to widen the net by not being a stupid piece of shit?
Amy Walter from the Cook Political Report said something interesting on the PBS News Hour last night. According to her, the Trump campaign over the last month has spent nearly 50% of their tv advertising budget on Fox News.

There is shoring up the base and then there is idiocy from a campaigning perspective. It seems the Trump campaign is going with the latter.
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Cabbage wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:25 pm What's puzzling is how Trump could be winning this election easy. His cult following will never abandon him, he could declare he's pro-choice tomorrow and they'd say "yeah...freedom!" - So why does he play only to them? Why hasn't anyone on his campaign told him his base will never abandon him and so it's safe to widen the net by not being a stupid piece of shit?
You seriously think people on his campaign staff don't give him advice that he just shrugs off. My guess is if you push to hard you get fired
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Donald Trump in one of his insane rambles on Fox & Friends in 2018
"You know what solves it? When the economy crashes. When the country goes to total hell and everything is a disaster... then you'll have a... you know... you'll have riots. To go back to where we used to be. When we were great."
How surprising that the President is presiding over an economic collapse, when the country is going to total hell and everything is a disaster. With riots.

How surprising that this philosophy aligns so closely with the right-wing terrorists - boogaloo boys and the like - who he told to stand by, rather than stand down.

Interesting.



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If you ignore, you know... the actual threat....
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4071 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:10 pm Donald Trump in one of his insane rambles on Fox & Friends in 2018
"You know what solves it? When the economy crashes. When the country goes to total hell and everything is a disaster... then you'll have a... you know... you'll have riots. To go back to where we used to be. When we were great."
How surprising that the President is presiding over an economic collapse, when the country is going to total hell and everything is a disaster. With riots.

How surprising that this philosophy aligns so closely with the right-wing terrorists - boogaloo boys and the like - who he told to stand by, rather than stand down.

Interesting.



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If you ignore, you know... the actual threat....

BUT WHAT ABOUT ANTEEEEEFAAAAH!
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ManInTheBar wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:25 pm
piquant wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:57 pm
ticketlessinseattle wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:13 pm
C69 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:04 am :lol: he wants to kiss all the audience.


Moron
it defies all sorts of logic that in a pandemic that has killed 4 times as many as the Vietnam war that the President is aggressively trolling the population calling them pussies for wearing masks ; playing the fiddle as Rome burns ;
It doesn't even make sense, the polling on this is appalling for him so what's the upside?
"All the voices in his head, calling Gloria"

My take from a distance:

A major part of his schtick has been Trump-the-over-achiever (billionnaire, stable genius, knowing everything about everything). In another man you might call it the Nietzschean superman theory. It has worked well for him over many years and there remain very significant numbers of American voters for whom his "personal strength" is an attractive quality against what the equivocation of traditional politicians.

But BUT - Covid has no care for this and with each fresh family with a significant infection a new circle of people have the scales removed from their eyes.
That or all the things she said running through his head, and then some looping of, this is not enough, they say it's my fault, yes I've lost my mind, this is not enough...
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Fat Old Git wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:47 am it appears it not just the lamestream media who aren't entirely honest.
US Election 2020: Anthony Fauci says Trump campaign ad quote misleading

Top US government scientist Anthony Fauci has said an edited clip of him used in a Trump campaign ad is misleading.

It shows Dr Fauci saying he "can't imagine that anybody could be doing more" to fight Covid-19, suggesting he is speaking about President Trump.

However, Dr Fauci was talking about himself and other medical officials.

The infectious diseases expert has previously clashed with Mr Trump over how to handle the pandemic.

"In my nearly five decades of public service, I have never publicly endorsed any political candidate," he said, in a statement sent to AFP news agency.

"The comments attributed to me without my permission in the GOP campaign ad were taken out of context from a broad statement I made months ago about the efforts of federal public health officials," Dr Fauci added.

The 30-second campaign ad declares "President Trump is recovering from the coronavirus, and so is America", before playing the clip of Dr Fauci.

However, in the original footage of Dr Fauci, which came from an interview the epidemiologist did with Fox News in March, he says: "I have been devoting almost full time on this. I'm down at the White House virtually every day with the task force. It's every single day. So, I can't imagine that under any circumstances that anybody could be doing more."

In response, Trump campaign spokesman Tim Murtaugh said: "These are Dr Fauci's own words. The video is from a nationally broadcast television interview in which Dr Fauci was praising the work of the Trump administration. The words spoken are accurate, and directly from Dr Fauci's mouth."

President Trump also defended the use of the clip, tweeting: "They are indeed Dr Fauci's own words. We have done a 'phenomenal' job, according to certain governors."
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54504096

No one else found this interesting? Or enjoyed the defense of "These are Dr Fauci's own words" for a complaint that is about using them out of context and not that they were not his words? Are we so used to Trump and co's dishonesty that we just ignore it now?

:((
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Fat Old Git wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:35 amNo one else found this interesting? Or enjoyed the defense of "These are Dr Fauci's own words" for a complaint that is about using them out of context and not that they were not his words? Are we so used to Trump and co's dishonesty that we just ignore it now?

:((
I think you nailed it with your last question. It shows Trump's desperation that now, as the number of daily cases is still around 50k, Trump has to go use a comment by Fauci from several months ago and then quote it out of context to try to convince the electorate that Trump is doing well.
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Anybody who knows who Fauci is would not be fooled by this sort of chicanery.
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Kiwias wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:13 am
Fat Old Git wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:35 amNo one else found this interesting? Or enjoyed the defense of "These are Dr Fauci's own words" for a complaint that is about using them out of context and not that they were not his words? Are we so used to Trump and co's dishonesty that we just ignore it now?

:((
I think you nailed it with your last question. It shows Trump's desperation that now, as the number of daily cases is still around 50k, Trump has to go use a comment by Fauci from several months ago and then quote it out of context to try to convince the electorate that Trump is doing well.
The actual ad if you've not seen it is hilarious: 'President Trump is recovering from the coronavirus, and so is America' before going on to use Fauci markedly out of context
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Trump and co complain about fake news all the time yet are the biggest source of it. And his fans lap it all up even though it's them whose eyes he is pulling the wool over.

"I'm invincible, I'm immune, don't worry about the virus, it's all good! By the way, here's a wavier to sign before attending my rally...."
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piquant wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:16 am
Kiwias wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:13 am
Fat Old Git wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:35 amNo one else found this interesting? Or enjoyed the defense of "These are Dr Fauci's own words" for a complaint that is about using them out of context and not that they were not his words? Are we so used to Trump and co's dishonesty that we just ignore it now?

:((
I think you nailed it with your last question. It shows Trump's desperation that now, as the number of daily cases is still around 50k, Trump has to go use a comment by Fauci from several months ago and then quote it out of context to try to convince the electorate that Trump is doing well.
The actual ad if you've not seen it is hilarious: 'President Trump is recovering from the coronavirus, and so is America' before going on to use Fauci markedly out of context
I have seen it and basically Trump is shooting himself in the foot with anyone outside his base.
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EverReady wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:57 am Jee...sus. https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54532189
The election day is 3 weeks away.

Poll stations are not going to as well staffed and widely open now as they should be on election day. If there is a queue then you can come on a different day or to a different poll station, based on how many people are voting now it could be a real breeze to vote on election day.

I am sure there will be queues on voting day that will throw doubt on the health of democracy in America, but queues today are not that.
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EverReady wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:57 am Jee...sus. https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54532189
those voters don't look like Trumps base ; wonder what the average queue time is like based on location
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If 2016 shows us anything it is that the past is an unreliable guide to the future

BUT

Historically high turnout has been good for Democratic candidates
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piquant wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:16 am
Kiwias wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:13 am
Fat Old Git wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:35 amNo one else found this interesting? Or enjoyed the defense of "These are Dr Fauci's own words" for a complaint that is about using them out of context and not that they were not his words? Are we so used to Trump and co's dishonesty that we just ignore it now?

:((
I think you nailed it with your last question. It shows Trump's desperation that now, as the number of daily cases is still around 50k, Trump has to go use a comment by Fauci from several months ago and then quote it out of context to try to convince the electorate that Trump is doing well.
The actual ad if you've not seen it is hilarious: 'President Trump is recovering from the coronavirus, and so is America' before going on to use Fauci markedly out of context
So cringey
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And Trum lawyers going to the Supreme Court again over his tax records...

These must stink terribly given the efforts in fighting off that inquiry. So much for the transparency promised by Trump during the last debate.
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TheFrog wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:47 pm And Trum lawyers going to the Supreme Court again over his tax records...
Refusal of cert should be forthcoming around 4 November.
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Kiwias wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:33 am
piquant wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:16 am
Kiwias wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:13 am
Fat Old Git wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:35 amNo one else found this interesting? Or enjoyed the defense of "These are Dr Fauci's own words" for a complaint that is about using them out of context and not that they were not his words? Are we so used to Trump and co's dishonesty that we just ignore it now?

:((
I think you nailed it with your last question. It shows Trump's desperation that now, as the number of daily cases is still around 50k, Trump has to go use a comment by Fauci from several months ago and then quote it out of context to try to convince the electorate that Trump is doing well.
The actual ad if you've not seen it is hilarious: 'President Trump is recovering from the coronavirus, and so is America' before going on to use Fauci markedly out of context
I have seen it and basically Trump is shooting himself in the foot with anyone outside his base.

He's shooting himself in the foot with his base. In some states the Dems have targeted their message on Covid, healthcare plans and pre-existing conditions and they're getting not just positive feedback from Democratic and Independent voters but 5% of Trump voters, and that's actually moving Trump voters away from Trump. It's an insane strategy to go along with pulling adverts from key swing states, putting so many ads on Fox News. Maybe it all works for him, but in advance it's like he's trying to fail.
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EverReady wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:46 pm The fact is those voters are all 4 years too late. The GOP played a blinder and have the supreme court for a few decades. Tbf I know a bit why they don't vote looking at those lines
I assume that's why so many think the Dems will simply change the numbers if they get the chance. I would if I were them
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piquant wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:13 pm
EverReady wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:46 pm The fact is those voters are all 4 years too late. The GOP played a blinder and have the supreme court for a few decades. Tbf I know a bit why they don't vote looking at those lines
I assume that's why so many think the Dems will simply change the numbers if they get the chance. I would if I were them
Yep - the GOP may live to regret taking the gloves off. It opens the door for the Democrats to be a bit more aggressive. They might also want to look at the system that allows a Republican president to get voted in when the Democrat got 3 million more votes - not sure if they can change that but it seems to give the GOP an inbuilt advantage.
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Sonny Blount wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:23 am
EverReady wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:57 am Jee...sus. https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54532189
The election day is 3 weeks away.

Poll stations are not going to as well staffed and widely open now as they should be on election day. If there is a queue then you can come on a different day or to a different poll station, based on how many people are voting now it could be a real breeze to vote on election day.

I am sure there will be queues on voting day that will throw doubt on the health of democracy in America, but queues today are not that.
So what about people who have always voted early and never seen queues like these. I honestly think these queues will encourage even more people to come out and vote.

I hope you all watch this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al3qY8ZMHEc
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piquant wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:13 pm
EverReady wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:46 pm The fact is those voters are all 4 years too late. The GOP played a blinder and have the supreme court for a few decades. Tbf I know a bit why they don't vote looking at those lines
I assume that's why so many think the Dems will simply change the numbers if they get the chance. I would if I were them
I am not sure that this is so straight forward and explains why Biden is embarrassed when asked the question whether or not he will stuff the court.

If he does, he creates a precedent that will backfire and further undermines democracy in the US. He knows there is no way he can set a maximum number of judges in marble, he won't have the support to do that. So this would be a dangerous thing to do.

On the other hand, if he says he won't do it, he is basically telling his supporters that he is willing to accept the conservatives controlling the SC for the foreseeable future.

The GOP has played a blinder I believe but they further discredited themselves as garant of a healthy democracy. I hope this shows in the poll.
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TheFrog wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:48 pm
piquant wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:13 pm
EverReady wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:46 pm The fact is those voters are all 4 years too late. The GOP played a blinder and have the supreme court for a few decades. Tbf I know a bit why they don't vote looking at those lines
I assume that's why so many think the Dems will simply change the numbers if they get the chance. I would if I were them
I am not sure that this is so straight forward and explains why Biden is embarrassed when asked the question whether or not he will stuff the court.

If he does, he creates a precedent that will backfire and further undermines democracy in the US. He knows there is no way he can set a maximum number of judges in marble, he won't have the support to do that. So this would be a dangerous thing to do.

On the other hand, if he says he won't do it, he is basically telling his supporters that he is willing to accept the conservatives controlling the SC for the foreseeable future.

The GOP has played a blinder I believe but they further discredited themselves as garant of a healthy democracy. I hope this shows in the poll.
I was assuming Biden was trying to avoid saying anything because he thinks he can get away with being gutless and not being honest with the voters. What the Dems might wait for if they are a little timid is the court to give a ruling they think will rally enough support for a drastic response, but that's a risk to wait and perhaps have lost control of the process.

If they were to add 4 justices to the court it might not be the worst idea to add 2 liberal lions and 2 centrists rather than just pander to their base, that would avoid charges they were trying to imbalance the court as have the GOP.

I don't know it's a blinder from the GOP, they've just been willing to act as they have. If the Dems aren't willing to act they will have to take what the court gives them.
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TheFrog wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:48 pm
piquant wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:13 pm
EverReady wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:46 pm The fact is those voters are all 4 years too late. The GOP played a blinder and have the supreme court for a few decades. Tbf I know a bit why they don't vote looking at those lines
I assume that's why so many think the Dems will simply change the numbers if they get the chance. I would if I were them
I am not sure that this is so straight forward and explains why Biden is embarrassed when asked the question whether or not he will stuff the court.

If he does, he creates a precedent that will backfire and further undermines democracy in the US. He knows there is no way he can set a maximum number of judges in marble, he won't have the support to do that. So this would be a dangerous thing to do.

On the other hand, if he says he won't do it, he is basically telling his supporters that he is willing to accept the conservatives controlling the SC for the foreseeable future.

The GOP has played a blinder I believe but they further discredited themselves as garant of a healthy democracy. I hope this shows in the poll.
Not a blinder. To suggest otherwise suggests cunning and strategy. They played the hand that fate dealt them even though it painted them as hypocrites.

Said hand has also revealed that Barrett is a hypocrite too. Ce la vie ( ;) )
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All hypothetical while the Senate remains with the Republicans but if we are speculating, I suspect for so long as Biden is President I don’t think he will make any nomination which would have the effect of expanding the court. He is a traditionalist, and will not want his legacy to be further politicizing the Supreme Court. He will wax about how seriously he takes the integrity of the court, and make the easy contrast to the Republicans.

A landmark decision would increase the pressure to “do something” but I would be very surprised if Biden supported anything more radical than statehood for PR, encouraging Breyer to retire and checking in on Clarence’s health.
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TheFrog wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:48 pm
piquant wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:13 pm
EverReady wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:46 pm The fact is those voters are all 4 years too late. The GOP played a blinder and have the supreme court for a few decades. Tbf I know a bit why they don't vote looking at those lines
I assume that's why so many think the Dems will simply change the numbers if they get the chance. I would if I were them
I am not sure that this is so straight forward and explains why Biden is embarrassed when asked the question whether or not he will stuff the court.

If he does, he creates a precedent that will backfire and further undermines democracy in the US. He knows there is no way he can set a maximum number of judges in marble, he won't have the support to do that. So this would be a dangerous thing to do.
Yes there is. There is a constitutional amendment to do just that thing. It can be part of a larger Supreme Court amendment like mandating a required retirement age (that could be done for all federal judges) or years of service limits, that way we don't perennially see the deaths of Supreme Court justices become political footballs where both parties throw parades on the casket.

I think just about every single Republican in the House and Senate would vote for that in a new term (Biden and the Democrats could force them by using their lack of action or voting against said bill as evidence there is no problem in increasing the court's size), and while the president is intentionally not in the constitution amending process, Biden could use the bully pulpit to get Democrats on board. It would be a good governance amendment that would be a positive legacy, moreso than anything Obama did really concerning capital-G Government.

The Republicans at this point privately know they're losing the presidency. The "anonymous Republican pollsters" in political rags say as much. At this point it's just limiting damage downballot, getting Barrett confirmed, and trying to force Biden into campaign promises they can hold him to during his presidency.
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