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TheFrog wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:31 pm

Anyway, I am not American and it is for the Americans to decide. What this election may do though, is that it may cause me to rethink living in America and head home. With Trump looking at making life harder and harder for non-migrants visas, I may have to do what he wants. Wonder what the impact of that policy will be on all the research being conducted in this country, medical, technological or others? That edge Trump is proud of. I smile when I hear the names of all these great American experts, when interviewed in the media. They tell the story of all these bright foreign students who came to contribute to America being the world leader in research.

MAGA.

The USA is doubling down consistently on getting hammered by the Chinese in research and technological progression. Actually so is everyone else who isn't he USA because you either side with the USA, or with China or try to tread some dubious middle path that's more like treading water, and all of those options come with a lot of problems.
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Honest question, what scientific breakthroughs have the Chinese made? In what areas are they more advanced?
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towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:04 pm Honest question, what scientific breakthroughs have the Chinese made? In what areas are they more advanced?
IT, Telecom, Bio-medical research... they are catching up or taking the lead in a number of fields.
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TheFrog wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:32 pm
towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:04 pm Honest question, what scientific breakthroughs have the Chinese made? In what areas are they more advanced?
IT, Telecom, Bio-medical research... they are catching up or taking the lead in a number of fields.
Any specific breakthroughs?
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Naive question to the Trumpers here. You get all worked up about Biden's alleged corruption in Ukraine, which I understand. I mean, if this is true, the man is not fit to be President of the USA.

However, you do not seem concerned about the potential wrong doing of President Trump, and in particular the New York judge inquiry into his tax returns.

Given that Trump has promised for 4 years that he would release his tax returns but hasn't done so yetand given that his lawyers have been busy fighting the NY juge request for such tax return, aren't you suspicious that Trump may be hiding something of significant magnitude? Why is he so desperate to hide these tax returns when all it would take would be to release them publicly and let the judge scan through them to get rid of that suspicion and undermine Dem's efforts to paint him as a crook?
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towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:35 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:32 pm
towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:04 pm Honest question, what scientific breakthroughs have the Chinese made? In what areas are they more advanced?
IT, Telecom, Bio-medical research... they are catching up or taking the lead in a number of fields.
Any specific breakthroughs?
Just google it and you'll find plenty of examples to read.
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towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:35 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:32 pm
towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:04 pm Honest question, what scientific breakthroughs have the Chinese made? In what areas are they more advanced?
IT, Telecom, Bio-medical research... they are catching up or taking the lead in a number of fields.
Any specific breakthroughs?
https://www.space.com/quantum-communica ... iment.html
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The means available to Chinese researchers are huge. China is investing big time and unlike the USA, most of it is government funded and the result of a public policy.

Beijing university has cutting edge technology available to its students, they don't have anything to envy Harvard or MIT for in this domain.
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towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:35 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:32 pm
towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:04 pm Honest question, what scientific breakthroughs have the Chinese made? In what areas are they more advanced?
IT, Telecom, Bio-medical research... they are catching up or taking the lead in a number of fields.
Any specific breakthroughs?
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TheFrog wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:51 pm The means available to Chinese researchers are huge. China is investing big time and unlike the USA, most of it is government funded and the result of a public policy.

Beijing university has cutting edge technology available to its students, they don't have anything to envy Harvard or MIT for in this domain.
It's interesting when much of the current US technological lead came out of government spending. These days whilst the US govt still spends big it tends to be in tightly controlled military spend which doesn't spill over as much into civilian use/benefits

It's the sort of issue which with sane candidates should have been part of an election campaign. Whereas all we've got is Trump identifying the wrong problems and still worse bodges he considers solutions.

And now China will be much harder to stop because they're well down the path of being less reliant on Europe and North America now they're generating momentum from within, which is to say the rise of their own middle classes. And right now, as odd as it seems, they're not having problems with Covid that the West is having, so they're accelerating their advancement on the back of us floundering.
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TheFrog wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:51 pm The means available to Chinese researchers are huge. China is investing big time and unlike the USA, most of it is government funded and the result of a public policy.

Beijing university has cutting edge technology available to its students, they don't have anything to envy Harvard or MIT for in this domain.
Hopefully if Trump gets the boot America will stop playing the arse with all this spying shit
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I see The Director of National Intelligence is destroying Adam Schiff, and by extension, the Bidens.
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TheFrog wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:40 pm
towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:35 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:32 pm
towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:04 pm Honest question, what scientific breakthroughs have the Chinese made? In what areas are they more advanced?
IT, Telecom, Bio-medical research... they are catching up or taking the lead in a number of fields.
Any specific breakthroughs?
Just google it and you'll find plenty of examples to read.
Sure. If there are many examples though, it should have been easy for you to name a few......

The amount of money that Silicon invests in R&D is not small. I’d be keen to see how close China really is to the US when it comes to scientific achievement.

The US Govt doesn’t have to do the heavy lifting for R&D - why should they? Their system is about private companies doing it. This is where most of the breakthroughs have come from.
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Flockwitt wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:47 pm
towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:35 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:32 pm
towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:04 pm Honest question, what scientific breakthroughs have the Chinese made? In what areas are they more advanced?
IT, Telecom, Bio-medical research... they are catching up or taking the lead in a number of fields.
Any specific breakthroughs?
https://www.space.com/quantum-communica ... iment.html
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This old cunt just cannot stop himself from lying

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/20847907 ... mplete-lie
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China is less good at inventing and more good at stealing ideas and adding incremental improvements.

One reason to seriously look at the number of foreign students, and especially Chinese students, doing advanced or research degrees in the US is the amount of IP that has been looted.

So outsourcing has transferred jobs and universities have transferred knowledge. Ingenious. :thumbup:
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Santa wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:22 pm China is less good at inventing and more good at stealing ideas and adding incremental improvements.
That has been the tactic of some of histories most famous investors
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towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:07 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:40 pm
towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:35 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:32 pm
towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:04 pm Honest question, what scientific breakthroughs have the Chinese made? In what areas are they more advanced?
IT, Telecom, Bio-medical research... they are catching up or taking the lead in a number of fields.
Any specific breakthroughs?
Just google it and you'll find plenty of examples to read.
Sure. If there are many examples though, it should have been easy for you to name a few......

The amount of money that Silicon invests in R&D is not small. I’d be keen to see how close China really is to the US when it comes to scientific achievement.

The US Govt doesn’t have to do the heavy lifting for R&D - why should they? Their system is about private companies doing it. This is where most of the breakthroughs have come from.
In terms of absolute expenditures, China is the world’s second biggest spender on R&D, with $468 billion versus the United States’s investment of $582 billion in 2018
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BokJock wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:28 pm
Santa wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:22 pm China is less good at inventing and more good at stealing ideas and adding incremental improvements.
That has been the tactic of some of histories most famous investors
The USA did very well with that model.
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TheFrog wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:11 pm
towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:07 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:40 pm
towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:35 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:32 pm

IT, Telecom, Bio-medical research... they are catching up or taking the lead in a number of fields.
Any specific breakthroughs?
Just google it and you'll find plenty of examples to read.
Sure. If there are many examples though, it should have been easy for you to name a few......

The amount of money that Silicon invests in R&D is not small. I’d be keen to see how close China really is to the US when it comes to scientific achievement.

The US Govt doesn’t have to do the heavy lifting for R&D - why should they? Their system is about private companies doing it. This is where most of the breakthroughs have come from.
In terms of absolute expenditures, China is the world’s second biggest spender on R&D, with $468 billion versus the United States’s investment of $582 billion in 2018
Thanks for that! I learned something here today. 👍
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Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:19 pm This old cunt just cannot stop himself from lying

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/20847907 ... mplete-lie
He's not lying, he's just confused.

He struggles to remember what office he's running for. Of course he has no clue which unions have endorsed him.
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I like Juan.

Trump swings the bat four times and misses each time.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house ... falls-flat

The only October surprise is why the Astros got as far as they did.
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New Guy 2 wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:56 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:19 pm This old cunt just cannot stop himself from lying

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/20847907 ... mplete-lie
He's not lying, he's just confused.

He struggles to remember what office he's running for. Of course he has no clue which unions have endorsed him.
Lying. Confused. Corrupt.

He is unfit for office.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:15 pm
New Guy 2 wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:56 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:19 pm This old cunt just cannot stop himself from lying

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/20847907 ... mplete-lie
He's not lying, he's just confused.

He struggles to remember what office he's running for. Of course he has no clue which unions have endorsed him.
Lying. Confused. Corrupt.

He is unfit for office.
And yet, comparatively he's miles ahead of Trump in that regard.

Here's some guy making a case for why people should vote Biden.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1318156453035839488
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Even "facts for the stupid" is in on the corruption now

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden
Biden served on the board of Burisma Holdings, a major Ukrainian natural gas producer, from 2014 to 2019. He and his father have been the subjects of debunked right-wing conspiracy theories pushed by Donald Trump and his allies concerning Biden business dealings and anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine.[1]
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Hidin' Biden, once again

Why?
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The woman who runs content moderation policy for Facebook used to work for Biden and Obama. :lol:
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Imagine if you guys had 1/100 the dirt on Biden that exists on Trump. You’d be doing somersaults. But you don’t. No one is buying your Kremlin propaganda.

You useless idiots.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:15 pm
New Guy 2 wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:56 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:19 pm This old cunt just cannot stop himself from lying

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/20847907 ... mplete-lie
He's not lying, he's just confused.

He struggles to remember what office he's running for. Of course he has no clue which unions have endorsed him.
Lying. Confused. Corrupt.

He is unfit for office.
I mean, come on man. Did you write your response like that on purpose? You must have. It couldn't have been an accident, you meant that to sound like you were describing Trump right?
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towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:52 pm Imagine if you guys had 1/100 the dirt on Biden that exists on Trump. You’d be doing somersaults. But you don’t. No one is buying your Kremlin propaganda.

You useless idiots.
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Mick has made this thread unreadable again. Impressive
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EverReady wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:07 pm Mick has made this thread unreadable again. Impressive
Poor you
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towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:52 pm Imagine if you guys had 1/100 the dirt on Biden that exists on Trump. You’d be doing somersaults. But you don’t. No one is buying your Kremlin propaganda.

You useless idiots.
You sad sap

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ation.html
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https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house ... t-it-looks
Hunter Biden's laptop: A Russian trick, a hack-job — or just what it looks like?

If the stakes were not high, it would be a laugh-riot to listen to people who relied on the Steele dossier in an Intelligence Community assessment, and in four sworn FISA warrant applications, going on now about the Biden laptop being a “Russian disinformation” hoax.

But let’s be serious about authenticity for a second.

In a court of law, even in a criminal case where a person’s liberty is at stake, there is a presumption in favor of admitting relevant evidence as long as it appears to be what the proponent represents it to be.

That is, the evidence is put before the jury. Lingering questions about its provenance go to the weight of the evidence — meaning, how much, if any, importance we should ascribe to it. They do not result in the suppression of the evidence.

The most salient consideration in analyzing the authenticity of an item is the item itself.

I do not mean to dismiss such circumstances as the biases of the source of the evidence, the chain of custody, the opportunities there have been to tamper with it, and any indication that it has been tampered with in some way. To be sure, all of these indicators can be significant. In some situations, they can be so significant that the proffered item should be given no probative weight.

What I mean is that if the item itself does not appear to be what its proponent represents it to be, the inquiry is at an end. The item would be rejected because of its own innate fraudulence. There would be no need to expend effort to investigate its sourcing — except, perhaps, to pursue a case of fraud against the proponents, if the matter were grave enough.

Most alarming about the way materials from the alleged Hunter Biden laptop have been sloughed off by Biden supporters and their media (including social media) allies has been the resistance — no pun intended — to analyzing the substance of the emails and photos themselves. Instead, we get caterwauling about “Russian disinformation” and “hacked materials,” as if these knee jerk allegations were not just pertinent but dispositive on the matter of authenticity.

That is absurd.

The fact that Russians or Russian-sourced information are somehow attendant to documents or photos does not automatically make those materials Russian disinformation. It could be true information from or about Russians. Often, even the hostile Russian regime communicates to us things that are authentic precisely because they are authentic, and having to deal with them creates problems for our country.

Other times, in a compendium of information, the Russians might seed a few fabricated items, although most of the information will be authentic. That makes the disinformation harder to spot, and thus more effective. But we don’t dismiss the whole package because some of it may be corrupt. We analyze it more carefully.

Much of the time, though, the fact that Russians are somehow involved is just tangential or irrelevant. That appears to be the case with the alleged Biden materials. It is said that the president’s private lawyer, Rudy Giuliani (who hired me as a U.S. prosecutor many years ago), was dealing with people suspected of Kremlin ties when he investigated the Bidens’ business and political activities in Ukraine. Even if that’s true — and we don’t know that it is — what that has to do with a laptop apparently left by Hunter Biden in a Delaware repair shop is not obvious. (By contrast, it’s not surprising that one tracking down shady doings, as Giuliani was doing, would have to deal with shady people.)

As President Reagan famously said when dealing with the Kremlin, “Trust everybody but cut the cards.”

As suggested above, the Clinton campaign, the Obama administration, U.S. intelligence and law-enforcement agencies, congressional Democrats and the legacy press knew for dead certain that the Steele dossier was Clinton campaign-sponsored political opposition research, sourced to Russians — a key one of whom, we now know, was suspected by the FBI of being a Kremlin asset. Far from the information being dismissed out of hand, we were taken by the media-Democratic complex on a four-year “collusion” ride.

The “don’t rely on hacked information” claim is even more ludicrous. There is no evidence the Biden materials were hacked. At the moment, the evidence is that the laptop was taken to a repair shop and then abandoned — entirely plausible, given that the shop was in Delaware, which is Biden-central, and Hunter Biden’s behavior is notoriously erratic because of his admitted drug abuse. The hard drive wasn’t hacked; it was quite intentionally given to the shopkeeper.

More to the point, even if the information had been hacked, that would not make it inauthentic. The reason hacking is a serious offense that causes humiliation and wreaks financial and privacy havoc is because it exposes true information. The hacked Democratic National Committee emails were a problem for Democrats in 2016 because they were real. Media outlets published stories about them, and the Obama administration confronted the Russian regime over them, because the emails were authentic. Hacking is a bad thing … but there’s nothing about it that makes the stolen information suspect. It’s bad for the opposite reason.

As we’ve noted, though, first and foremost in any authenticity examination is the item itself. Here, we have thousands of Biden photographs and videos that plainly appear to be real. The emails make contextual sense, and they fit what is known about Hunter Biden’s business activity (about which a great deal of investigative journalism has been done, most effectively by Peter Schweizer). According to Fox News, one unidentified participant in an email about Hunter’s Chinese business dealings has acknowledged the email’s authenticity.

Most significantly, neither Hunter Biden nor the Biden campaign has claimed the materials are fabricated. To the contrary, when initially asked about an email indicating that Joe Biden, as vice president, met with an executive of Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company that was lavishly paying Biden’s son, the Biden campaign’s reaction was to check the former vice president’s official calendar — after which the campaign first lamely said there was no notation of any such meeting, and then meekly admitted that Biden might well have met with the Burisma executive.

But notice what they didn’t say: Nobody claimed there was no need to check any official calendar because the email was a fake. They assumed it was authentic, because there was no good reason not to.

And do you think the FBI and the Delaware U.S. attorney’s office issued a grand jury subpoena for the laptop because they thought the whole thing was a fabrication? Maybe … and maybe pigs can fly.

At the moment, the known evidence overwhelmingly tends to establish that the laptop is exactly what it is represented to be: the repository of Hunter Biden’s authentic emails, documents, photos and videos. The claims that it may be Russian disinformation, or should be dismissed because of “hacking,” are frivolous.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:10 pm
towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:52 pm Imagine if you guys had 1/100 the dirt on Biden that exists on Trump. You’d be doing somersaults. But you don’t. No one is buying your Kremlin propaganda.

You useless idiots.
You sad sap

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ation.html

Oh that video where he violates the Hatch Act? I'm convinced.
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Rudi better hope Trump pardons him on the way out. Otherwise that stooge will die in prison.

Maybe that’s why Barr and a few others aren’t willing to follow through with the worst of the fascism as demanded by Dear Leader. Their reputation obviously means nothing to them - but risking jail time in order to give Putin’s stooge an outside chance to jag another 4 years? Nah. You’re on your own Donald.
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https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house ... falls-flat

“When they go low, we go high,” then-first lady Michelle Obama said during the 2016 campaign.

Well, in 2020, the Trump campaign is hellbent on going even lower than ever before.

They went so low last week that their "October Surprise" against Joe Biden crashed!

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Trump had promised federal charges against Obama-era officials for purportedly conducting a “coup” that undermined his presidency from the start by illegally probing Russia’s ties to Trump’s 2016 campaign.

The president wanted to see President Obama, Biden and Hillary Clinton in handcuffs.

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Trump’s October Surprise was grounded. He got nothing.

Then, Trump’s second attempt at an October Surprise also failed to take flight.

This time another U.S. attorney, John Bash, totally pulled the plug on a separate probe into the “unmasking” of Americans caught on phone taps talking with Russians, in this case Trump campaign officials.

“The greatest political scam, hoax in the history of our country,” Trump announced, implying that those involved deserved 50-year jail sentences.

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Bash sent no one to jail — zero.

Again, Trump got nothing — no visions of Democrats in handcuffs to rev up the faithful at campaign rallies.

He is not happy with the attorney general.

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Pay close attention to that quote.

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Faced with collapsing poll numbers, Trump is open to using federal law enforcement to divert attention from his divisive talk and his failed handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

And he is still going at it, trying to go lower than low.

In the tradition of crime families, he turned to old friends to get the job done.

Rudy Giuliani and Stephen Bannon alerted the New York Post to emails suggesting that Trump’s opponent in the November election, Joe Biden, possibly met a top executive at a Ukrainian energy company, Burisma Holdings, at the request of his son, Hunter Biden, who was on the firm’s board.

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Bannon, who was indicted on federal fraud charges in August, contacted the paper about the emails, which were supposedly found on a hard drive left in a Delaware computer repair shop. Giuliani, the former New York mayor who also is under investigation, then gave a copy of the hard drive to the New York paper.

The story took flight on pro-Trump websites, especially after Facebook and Twitter declined to let their platforms be used to circulate the potentially explosive but unverified information.

Mainstream newspapers and computer security professionals pointed out that Giuliani refused to produce the actual emails, and there is no evidence that the then-vice president ever met with the man.

The Washington Post reported the next day that national security officials at the White House were warned last year that “Giuliani was being used to feed Russian misinformation to the president.”

The New York Times noted that American intelligence officials “had picked up chatter that stolen Burisma emails would be leaked in the form of an ‘October surprise.’”

So, a third attempt by Trump to launch an October Surprise remained grounded.

A fourth effort involved pressuring Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe.

Ratcliffe declassified intelligence from the time of the 2016 campaign, including reports that Hillary Clinton’s campaign wanted to call attention to Russia’s ties to the Trump campaign.

This is the same reporting that the Senate Intelligence Committee, with a Republican majority, long ago discarded as unimportant.

Why? The committee heard from every U.S. intelligence agency that Russia interfered in the 2016 election to help Trump and damage Clinton.

But Trump later tweeted that he authorized “the total Declassification of any & all documents pertaining to the greatest political CRIME in American history, the Russia Hoax.”

And Ratcliffe ended up in a mud fight that damaged his reputation.

Former acting CIA Director Mike Morrell and former Under Secretary of Defense Mike Vickers called Ratcliffe’s actions “the most blatant and egregious politicization of intelligence that we, two career intelligence officers, have ever seen,” in a Washington Post op-ed calling for Ratcliffe to resign.

Trump’s political rhetoric has long been divorced from reality, much less a coherent strategy to win reelection.

But at best his repeated attempts to ignite an October Surprise seem to rely on grievances from the 2016 race — most of all, the same old attacks on Hillary Clinton.

Trump is now a desperate man clinging to power to stave off the humiliation of a defeat on Election Day.

He can try again to pressure Barr on indicting his political opponents on bogus charges.

But for now, Trump’s attempts to patch together another October Surprise are too low, even for Barr.

Now that is saying something.
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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

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Jay Cee Gee wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:16 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:10 pm
towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:52 pm Imagine if you guys had 1/100 the dirt on Biden that exists on Trump. You’d be doing somersaults. But you don’t. No one is buying your Kremlin propaganda.

You useless idiots.
You sad sap

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ation.html

Oh that video where he violates the Hatch Act? I'm convinced.
😂

Do they even have emails? All I’ve heard is they they’ve got screenshots from emails that Rudi’s apparently had for 12 months. Russians must be fuming at the incompetence. Such a good plan ruined by halfwit Americans.
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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

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towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:21 pm
Jay Cee Gee wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:16 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:10 pm
towny wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:52 pm Imagine if you guys had 1/100 the dirt on Biden that exists on Trump. You’d be doing somersaults. But you don’t. No one is buying your Kremlin propaganda.

You useless idiots.
You sad sap

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ation.html

Oh that video where he violates the Hatch Act? I'm convinced.
😂

Do they even have emails? All I’ve heard is they they’ve got screenshots from emails that Rudi’s apparently had for 12 months. Russians must be fuming at the incompetence. Such a good plan ruined by halfwit Americans.
You v Director Of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe :lol:
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