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Santa wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:41 pm
paddyor wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:08 pm
No, the media would gladly eat this up if it wasn’t BS. Fox News has seen the content and deemed it unverifiable. Even the Bulonkski guy is a lad with an axe to grind(money) . No one is touching it because the details are sketchy. The WSJ looked at it and dunked on their own editorial section. Ditto Fox News.

The problem is, this was a rumps big play and it was BS. He’s tried to astroturf controversies before and no ones biting this time.
Wrong.

It's obvious that you're just parroting tweets from your favourite journalists and haven't actually read one or both of the article because if you had you wouldn't make such stupid claims.

What is 'debunked'?

Is it the meeting with Bobulinski? No. The news article merely says:
Mr. Bobulinski said he took part in a meeting with Hunter, Joe Biden and Joe Biden’s brother James Biden in Los Angeles in 2017 when they discussed “the Biden family business plans with the Chinese, of which [Joe Biden] was plainly familiar at least at a high level.”

A Biden campaign spokesman didn’t immediately respond to a question about the alleged meeting with Mr. Bobulinski.
No response is not debunking.

Was it Biden's asserted role? No. The article merely says:
The Biden campaign denied Joe Biden had any involvement in the venture or stood to gain by it.

...

Corporate records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden.
Neither a denial nor a failure to find a public record of an alleged fraudulent activity is debunking either, unless you take the view that someone has no role unless it is recorded in corporate records. The whole point of journalism is to dig a little deeper than that. It's (alleged) fraudulent activity you idiot. Do you think they are going to put their name all over it?

Now none of this is to say that anything is proved one way or the other at this stage. It is merely to say that you are lazy and don't know what you're talking about. And this story warrants further investigation.

Aside from that there's not much to the news article.
On the basis of the burden of proof you're asking for here, Trump would already be in jail.

Nobody has argued that Biden's hands are squeaky clean, and I think everyone who heard about it flagged Hunter's job in Ukraine as at least a potential conflict of interest.

But Trump's activities have been flagrant. Paying hush money to prostitutes. His son actually having a documented meeting with Russian officials while working for the campaign. Going against official US intelligence policy to deny aid to Ukraine. And that's just (some of) the stuff he did while running/in office, versus Biden's alleged conversation with Tony when he was a private citizen.

"Our guy isn't as bad as Trump" isn't the best argument Biden supporters could possibly make for a candidate, but on the other side, "Our guy is Trump" is far, far worse.
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Beloved master, fanbois, nazis, blah blah blah. Peak leftist insights.
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puku wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:26 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:59 pm Biden used his position to enrich himself because he is a spiv.

Trump simply gets on with things
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/23/poli ... index.html
Trump definitely deserves some credit for pushing the needle on the Middle East situation. But he is dancing around the edges.

The vexing question will always be the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. That's where the Nobel Peace prize lays.
"Giving Israel everything they want" isn't "pushing the needle on the Middle East."
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fatcat wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:04 pm Beloved master, fanbois, nazis, blah blah blah. Peak leftist insights.
I am a complete fan. Beloved he is indeed. The Great Orange God.

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fatcat wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:04 pm Beloved master, fanbois, nazis, blah blah blah. Peak leftist insights.
Agent fatcat in from the cold :lol:
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Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:57 pm
4071 wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:34 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:59 pm Biden used his position to enrich himself because he is a spiv.

Trump simply gets on with things
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/23/poli ... index.html
Well, he clearly didn't. Because until the last few years - when he has made his money through speaking tours and book sales - he was notoriously not wealthy.

And he released 20-odd years of tax returns so that his wealth and the sources of his wealth were open to public scrutiny.


Unlike your beloved master, who continues to hide from public scrutiny and whose tax fraud is still under investigation.
Beloved master :lol:
I'm guessing you prefer Dear leader
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:02 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:57 pm
4071 wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:34 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:59 pm Biden used his position to enrich himself because he is a spiv.

Trump simply gets on with things
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/23/poli ... index.html
Well, he clearly didn't. Because until the last few years - when he has made his money through speaking tours and book sales - he was notoriously not wealthy.

And he released 20-odd years of tax returns so that his wealth and the sources of his wealth were open to public scrutiny.


Unlike your beloved master, who continues to hide from public scrutiny and whose tax fraud is still under investigation.
Beloved master :lol:
I'm guessing you prefer Dear leader
I guessing you are familiar with "Dear John"
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I find it odd, if not curious, that the moment I hit “send” on my column that’s highly critical of Joe Biden my Wi-Fi service disconnected. Inexplicably, it will be out all day. Never happened before. Probably just a coincidence. I drove to the local store and sent the column .
Well well well, Santa was right!.
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After the last week I am wondering if the yanks have a choice between an incompetent crook and a bumbling fool (who may also be a crook).

Good luck and God Help the USA
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Anyway, with over 220 million Americans having died in last few months, it matters little who gets to run this 2/3rd de-populated country.

I have to credit Kamala Harris for pointing out the true human disaster of Cov19
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Enzedder wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:19 pm After the last week I am wondering if the yanks have a choice between an incompetent crook and a bumbling fool (who may also be a crook).

Good luck and God Help the USA
And our world because these guys have enough economic and military power to feck the world beyond repair.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:20 pm Anyway, with over 220 million Americans having died in last few months, it matters little who gets to run this 2/3rd de-populated country.

I have to credit Kamala Harris for pointing out the true human disaster of Cov19
take a therapeutic, I mean a cure :lol:
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Enzedder wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:19 pm After the last week I am wondering if the yanks have a choice between an incompetent crook and a bumbling fool (who may also be a crook).

Good luck and God Help the USA
You’ve actually drank the GOP idiot punch. They know Trump is a crook, but they just want a few to doubt Biden - so they ‘flood the end-zone with shit’.

Well done. Despite no evidence you are publicly questioning a candidate, and putting them in the same space as Trump. Hopefully Americans aren’t so easily fooled.
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There is more on Biden than Trump.

Globalists, and CCP shills love a bit of Joe though.

They are complicit in the destruction of the west.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:05 pm There is more on Biden than Trump.

Globalists, and CCP shills love a bit of Joe though.

They are complicit in the destruction of the west.
There really, really isn't. There's a lot more on Trump, and on his kids, just on what he's done since running for office. And what he did before is another story again.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:05 pm There is more on Biden than Trump.

Globalists, and CCP shills love a bit of Joe though.

They are complicit in the destruction of the west.
You are losing it dude. Seriously, seek help. Your recent flounce was clearly a cry - get it done, talk to an friend or whatever. Talk to us even.
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Gavin Duffy wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:39 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:05 pm There is more on Biden than Trump.

Globalists, and CCP shills love a bit of Joe though.

They are complicit in the destruction of the west.
You are losing it dude. Seriously, seek help. Your recent flounce was clearly a cry - get it done, talk to an friend or whatever. Talk to us even.
I do not need your advice.
Biden has been up to no good. It is increasingly obvious.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:05 pm There is more on Biden than Trump.

Globalists, and CCP shills love a bit of Joe though.

They are complicit in the destruction of the west.
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DOB wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:03 pm
Santa wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:41 pm
paddyor wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:08 pm
No, the media would gladly eat this up if it wasn’t BS. Fox News has seen the content and deemed it unverifiable. Even the Bulonkski guy is a lad with an axe to grind(money) . No one is touching it because the details are sketchy. The WSJ looked at it and dunked on their own editorial section. Ditto Fox News.

The problem is, this was a rumps big play and it was BS. He’s tried to astroturf controversies before and no ones biting this time.
Wrong.

It's obvious that you're just parroting tweets from your favourite journalists and haven't actually read one or both of the article because if you had you wouldn't make such stupid claims.

What is 'debunked'?

Is it the meeting with Bobulinski? No. The news article merely says:
Mr. Bobulinski said he took part in a meeting with Hunter, Joe Biden and Joe Biden’s brother James Biden in Los Angeles in 2017 when they discussed “the Biden family business plans with the Chinese, of which [Joe Biden] was plainly familiar at least at a high level.”

A Biden campaign spokesman didn’t immediately respond to a question about the alleged meeting with Mr. Bobulinski.
No response is not debunking.

Was it Biden's asserted role? No. The article merely says:
The Biden campaign denied Joe Biden had any involvement in the venture or stood to gain by it.

...

Corporate records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden.
Neither a denial nor a failure to find a public record of an alleged fraudulent activity is debunking either, unless you take the view that someone has no role unless it is recorded in corporate records. The whole point of journalism is to dig a little deeper than that. It's (alleged) fraudulent activity you idiot. Do you think they are going to put their name all over it?

Now none of this is to say that anything is proved one way or the other at this stage. It is merely to say that you are lazy and don't know what you're talking about. And this story warrants further investigation.

Aside from that there's not much to the news article.
On the basis of the burden of proof you're asking for here, Trump would already be in jail.

Nobody has argued that Biden's hands are squeaky clean, and I think everyone who heard about it flagged Hunter's job in Ukraine as at least a potential conflict of interest.

But Trump's activities have been flagrant. Paying hush money to prostitutes. His son actually having a documented meeting with Russian officials while working for the campaign. Going against official US intelligence policy to deny aid to Ukraine. And that's just (some of) the stuff he did while running/in office, versus Biden's alleged conversation with Tony when he was a private citizen.

"Our guy isn't as bad as Trump" isn't the best argument Biden supporters could possibly make for a candidate, but on the other side, "Our guy is Trump" is far, far worse.
Whats this about burden of proof? What are you on about?
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Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:20 pm Anyway, with over 220 million Americans having died in last few months, it matters little who gets to run this 2/3rd de-populated country.

I have to credit Kamala Harris for pointing out the true human disaster of Cov19
Yes, only 4% of the world's population but 20% of the world's deaths. I wonder who should bear responsibility for this?

A former US President coined the phrase "the buck stops here". Should still apply.
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Whatever wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:35 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:20 pm Anyway, with over 220 million Americans having died in last few months, it matters little who gets to run this 2/3rd de-populated country.

I have to credit Kamala Harris for pointing out the true human disaster of Cov19
Yes, only 4% of the world's population but 20% of the world's deaths. I wonder who should bear responsibility for this?

A former US President coined the phrase "the buck stops here". Should still apply.

I take full responsibility. It's China's fault
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Nice headline here yesterday

"US breaks single-day coronavirus record as Donald Trump insists virus is 'going away'"
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Enzedder wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:42 pm Nice headline here yesterday

"US breaks single-day coronavirus record as Donald Trump insists virus is 'going away'"
It's just cause they test more. Less testing means less cases. Maybe they should stop testing people before they die so deaths can go down too?
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Enzedder wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:42 pm Nice headline here yesterday

"US breaks single-day coronavirus record as Donald Trump insists virus is 'going away'"
This just proves that "we need to slow the testing down".
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Santa wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:27 pm
DOB wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:03 pm
Santa wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:41 pm
paddyor wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:08 pm
No, the media would gladly eat this up if it wasn’t BS. Fox News has seen the content and deemed it unverifiable. Even the Bulonkski guy is a lad with an axe to grind(money) . No one is touching it because the details are sketchy. The WSJ looked at it and dunked on their own editorial section. Ditto Fox News.

The problem is, this was a rumps big play and it was BS. He’s tried to astroturf controversies before and no ones biting this time.
Wrong.

It's obvious that you're just parroting tweets from your favourite journalists and haven't actually read one or both of the article because if you had you wouldn't make such stupid claims.

What is 'debunked'?

Is it the meeting with Bobulinski? No. The news article merely says:
Mr. Bobulinski said he took part in a meeting with Hunter, Joe Biden and Joe Biden’s brother James Biden in Los Angeles in 2017 when they discussed “the Biden family business plans with the Chinese, of which [Joe Biden] was plainly familiar at least at a high level.”

A Biden campaign spokesman didn’t immediately respond to a question about the alleged meeting with Mr. Bobulinski.
No response is not debunking.

Was it Biden's asserted role? No. The article merely says:
The Biden campaign denied Joe Biden had any involvement in the venture or stood to gain by it.

...

Corporate records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden.
Neither a denial nor a failure to find a public record of an alleged fraudulent activity is debunking either, unless you take the view that someone has no role unless it is recorded in corporate records. The whole point of journalism is to dig a little deeper than that. It's (alleged) fraudulent activity you idiot. Do you think they are going to put their name all over it?

Now none of this is to say that anything is proved one way or the other at this stage. It is merely to say that you are lazy and don't know what you're talking about. And this story warrants further investigation.

Aside from that there's not much to the news article.
On the basis of the burden of proof you're asking for here, Trump would already be in jail.

Nobody has argued that Biden's hands are squeaky clean, and I think everyone who heard about it flagged Hunter's job in Ukraine as at least a potential conflict of interest.

But Trump's activities have been flagrant. Paying hush money to prostitutes. His son actually having a documented meeting with Russian officials while working for the campaign. Going against official US intelligence policy to deny aid to Ukraine. And that's just (some of) the stuff he did while running/in office, versus Biden's alleged conversation with Tony when he was a private citizen.

"Our guy isn't as bad as Trump" isn't the best argument Biden supporters could possibly make for a candidate, but on the other side, "Our guy is Trump" is far, far worse.
Whats this about burden of proof? What are you on about?
You're presenting Bobulinski's statement to the press, and a couple of articles from known biased sources, fed to them by Giuliani, as "proof" that Biden is crooked.


I should rather have said "standard of evidence," maybe? Basically, if the information you've presented, from the sources you've outlined, is a smoking gun that proves Biden is crooked, then there is way more information, from more reputable sources, detailing more serious crimes committed by Trump and members of his campaign and administration staff, and Trump should, by the standards to which you are holding Biden, be in jail, right now, and probably should have been arrested before his inauguration.
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Saint wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:41 pm
Whatever wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:35 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:20 pm Anyway, with over 220 million Americans having died in last few months, it matters little who gets to run this 2/3rd de-populated country.

I have to credit Kamala Harris for pointing out the true human disaster of Cov19
Yes, only 4% of the world's population but 20% of the world's deaths. I wonder who should bear responsibility for this?

A former US President coined the phrase "the buck stops here". Should still apply.

I take full responsibility. It's China's fault
Excuse me. What he actually said was "I Take Full Responsibility, It's Not My Fault"

:lol:
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He takes full responsibility, but has done nothing to mitigate the effects of Covid19. How does our little cabal of weirdos continue to support him?
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Great line by Obama
I know this President wants the credit for the economy he inherited and don't want any blame for the pandemic he ignored.
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For some reason Sky News Australia is broadcasting a Donald Trump campaign rally. Not sure why they think anyone would want to watch this? He is a disgusting human being and anyone that would vote for him has absolute shit for brains.
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If you want to listen to him:

https://youtu.be/xOt-bW_3Sl8
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Ali's Choice wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:33 am For some reason Sky News Australia is broadcasting a Donald Trump campaign rally. Not sure why they think anyone would want to watch this? He is a disgusting human being and anyone that would vote for him has absolute shit for brains.
100%, but Trump rallies are a phenomenon, almost evangelical. "His people" need him as much as he needs them, desperate stuff allround. His followers are, err, not-very-well educated people that feel that "their" country has passed them by and that this weird guy, who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, somehow speaks for them. And they get really fired up. Mad stuff.
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Cheque cleared

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TheFrog wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:34 am If you want to listen to him:

https://youtu.be/xOt-bW_3Sl8
Chapeau.

32'52" well spent. Hard to argue against anything Obama said.

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I haven’t been following closely but can I just ask why a private citizen and his family doing business in China is a crime?
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trapper wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:01 am I haven’t been following closely but can I just ask why a private citizen and his family doing business in China is a crime?

Merka!!!
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trapper wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:01 am I haven’t been following closely but can I just ask why a private citizen and his family doing business in China is a crime?
Having an account in China is not a crime. Not declaring it to the IRS is another issue. I don't know whether that what they mean when they mention a "secret" account in China.

As for doing business in China, as long as it is legal business, it is not an issue. Now when you are the President, your family doing business anywhere - like say your son being on the board of an Ukrainian company - is not a crime but it can create concerns about conflicts of interest or corruption. Though until something is proven, you deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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TheFrog wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:57 am
trapper wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:01 am I haven’t been following closely but can I just ask why a private citizen and his family doing business in China is a crime?
Having an account in China is not a crime. Not declaring it to the IRS is another issue. I don't know whether that what they mean when they mention a "secret" account in China.

As for doing business in China, as long as it is legal business, it is not an issue. Now when you are the President, your family doing business anywhere - like say your son being on the board of an Ukrainian company - is not a crime but it can create concerns about conflicts of interest or corruption. Though until something is proven, you deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Isn't that a relatively recent development? I seem to remember it being brought in Obama's second term, after finding out about all Mitt Romney's Swiss bank accounts? The need to declare foreign bank accounts, some that a person may have had for many years before moving to the US, is something that greatly irritates me.

If so, when was the alleged bank account active?
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Ali's Choice wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:33 am For some reason Sky News Australia is broadcasting a Donald Trump campaign rally. Not sure why they think anyone would want to watch this? He is a disgusting human being and anyone that would vote for him has absolute shit for brains.
Sure that wasn't Clive campaigning, about equal amounts of lunacy from both of them ;)
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TheFrog wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:57 am
trapper wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:01 am I haven’t been following closely but can I just ask why a private citizen and his family doing business in China is a crime?
Having an account in China is not a crime. Not declaring it to the IRS is another issue. I don't know whether that what they mean when they mention a "secret" account in China.

As for doing business in China, as long as it is legal business, it is not an issue. Now when you are the President, your family doing business anywhere - like say your son being on the board of an Ukrainian company - is not a crime but it can create concerns about conflicts of interest or corruption. Though until something is proven, you deserve the benefit of the doubt.
I perhaps should have been clearer. I was referring to Biden, hence why I said private citizen. Aren’t he and his family being accused of doing business in China? That seems to be the accusation in the posts above and by Trump in the debate. I just don’t see how there is supposed to be any wrong doing on Bidens part given that he was a private citizen in 2017.
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What has happened to Trump's 1 billion dollar plus campaign fund?
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