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Whatever wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:35 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:20 pm Anyway, with over 220 million Americans having died in last few months, it matters little who gets to run this 2/3rd de-populated country.

I have to credit Kamala Harris for pointing out the true human disaster of Cov19
Yes, only 4% of the world's population but 20% of the world's deaths. I wonder who should bear responsibility for this?

A former US President coined the phrase "the buck stops here". Should still apply.

I take full responsibility. It's China's fault
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Nice headline here yesterday

"US breaks single-day coronavirus record as Donald Trump insists virus is 'going away'"
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Enzedder wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:42 pm Nice headline here yesterday

"US breaks single-day coronavirus record as Donald Trump insists virus is 'going away'"
It's just cause they test more. Less testing means less cases. Maybe they should stop testing people before they die so deaths can go down too?
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Enzedder wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:42 pm Nice headline here yesterday

"US breaks single-day coronavirus record as Donald Trump insists virus is 'going away'"
This just proves that "we need to slow the testing down".
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Santa wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:27 pm
DOB wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:03 pm
Santa wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:41 pm
paddyor wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:08 pm
No, the media would gladly eat this up if it wasn’t BS. Fox News has seen the content and deemed it unverifiable. Even the Bulonkski guy is a lad with an axe to grind(money) . No one is touching it because the details are sketchy. The WSJ looked at it and dunked on their own editorial section. Ditto Fox News.

The problem is, this was a rumps big play and it was BS. He’s tried to astroturf controversies before and no ones biting this time.
Wrong.

It's obvious that you're just parroting tweets from your favourite journalists and haven't actually read one or both of the article because if you had you wouldn't make such stupid claims.

What is 'debunked'?

Is it the meeting with Bobulinski? No. The news article merely says:
Mr. Bobulinski said he took part in a meeting with Hunter, Joe Biden and Joe Biden’s brother James Biden in Los Angeles in 2017 when they discussed “the Biden family business plans with the Chinese, of which [Joe Biden] was plainly familiar at least at a high level.”

A Biden campaign spokesman didn’t immediately respond to a question about the alleged meeting with Mr. Bobulinski.
No response is not debunking.

Was it Biden's asserted role? No. The article merely says:
The Biden campaign denied Joe Biden had any involvement in the venture or stood to gain by it.

...

Corporate records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden.
Neither a denial nor a failure to find a public record of an alleged fraudulent activity is debunking either, unless you take the view that someone has no role unless it is recorded in corporate records. The whole point of journalism is to dig a little deeper than that. It's (alleged) fraudulent activity you idiot. Do you think they are going to put their name all over it?

Now none of this is to say that anything is proved one way or the other at this stage. It is merely to say that you are lazy and don't know what you're talking about. And this story warrants further investigation.

Aside from that there's not much to the news article.
On the basis of the burden of proof you're asking for here, Trump would already be in jail.

Nobody has argued that Biden's hands are squeaky clean, and I think everyone who heard about it flagged Hunter's job in Ukraine as at least a potential conflict of interest.

But Trump's activities have been flagrant. Paying hush money to prostitutes. His son actually having a documented meeting with Russian officials while working for the campaign. Going against official US intelligence policy to deny aid to Ukraine. And that's just (some of) the stuff he did while running/in office, versus Biden's alleged conversation with Tony when he was a private citizen.

"Our guy isn't as bad as Trump" isn't the best argument Biden supporters could possibly make for a candidate, but on the other side, "Our guy is Trump" is far, far worse.
Whats this about burden of proof? What are you on about?
You're presenting Bobulinski's statement to the press, and a couple of articles from known biased sources, fed to them by Giuliani, as "proof" that Biden is crooked.


I should rather have said "standard of evidence," maybe? Basically, if the information you've presented, from the sources you've outlined, is a smoking gun that proves Biden is crooked, then there is way more information, from more reputable sources, detailing more serious crimes committed by Trump and members of his campaign and administration staff, and Trump should, by the standards to which you are holding Biden, be in jail, right now, and probably should have been arrested before his inauguration.
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Saint wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:41 pm
Whatever wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:35 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:20 pm Anyway, with over 220 million Americans having died in last few months, it matters little who gets to run this 2/3rd de-populated country.

I have to credit Kamala Harris for pointing out the true human disaster of Cov19
Yes, only 4% of the world's population but 20% of the world's deaths. I wonder who should bear responsibility for this?

A former US President coined the phrase "the buck stops here". Should still apply.

I take full responsibility. It's China's fault
Excuse me. What he actually said was "I Take Full Responsibility, It's Not My Fault"

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He takes full responsibility, but has done nothing to mitigate the effects of Covid19. How does our little cabal of weirdos continue to support him?
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Great line by Obama
I know this President wants the credit for the economy he inherited and don't want any blame for the pandemic he ignored.
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For some reason Sky News Australia is broadcasting a Donald Trump campaign rally. Not sure why they think anyone would want to watch this? He is a disgusting human being and anyone that would vote for him has absolute shit for brains.
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If you want to listen to him:

https://youtu.be/xOt-bW_3Sl8
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Ali's Choice wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:33 am For some reason Sky News Australia is broadcasting a Donald Trump campaign rally. Not sure why they think anyone would want to watch this? He is a disgusting human being and anyone that would vote for him has absolute shit for brains.
100%, but Trump rallies are a phenomenon, almost evangelical. "His people" need him as much as he needs them, desperate stuff allround. His followers are, err, not-very-well educated people that feel that "their" country has passed them by and that this weird guy, who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, somehow speaks for them. And they get really fired up. Mad stuff.
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TheFrog wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:34 am If you want to listen to him:

https://youtu.be/xOt-bW_3Sl8
Chapeau.

32'52" well spent. Hard to argue against anything Obama said.

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I haven’t been following closely but can I just ask why a private citizen and his family doing business in China is a crime?
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trapper wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:01 am I haven’t been following closely but can I just ask why a private citizen and his family doing business in China is a crime?

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trapper wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:01 am I haven’t been following closely but can I just ask why a private citizen and his family doing business in China is a crime?
Having an account in China is not a crime. Not declaring it to the IRS is another issue. I don't know whether that what they mean when they mention a "secret" account in China.

As for doing business in China, as long as it is legal business, it is not an issue. Now when you are the President, your family doing business anywhere - like say your son being on the board of an Ukrainian company - is not a crime but it can create concerns about conflicts of interest or corruption. Though until something is proven, you deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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TheFrog wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:57 am
trapper wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:01 am I haven’t been following closely but can I just ask why a private citizen and his family doing business in China is a crime?
Having an account in China is not a crime. Not declaring it to the IRS is another issue. I don't know whether that what they mean when they mention a "secret" account in China.

As for doing business in China, as long as it is legal business, it is not an issue. Now when you are the President, your family doing business anywhere - like say your son being on the board of an Ukrainian company - is not a crime but it can create concerns about conflicts of interest or corruption. Though until something is proven, you deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Isn't that a relatively recent development? I seem to remember it being brought in Obama's second term, after finding out about all Mitt Romney's Swiss bank accounts? The need to declare foreign bank accounts, some that a person may have had for many years before moving to the US, is something that greatly irritates me.

If so, when was the alleged bank account active?
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Ali's Choice wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:33 am For some reason Sky News Australia is broadcasting a Donald Trump campaign rally. Not sure why they think anyone would want to watch this? He is a disgusting human being and anyone that would vote for him has absolute shit for brains.
Sure that wasn't Clive campaigning, about equal amounts of lunacy from both of them ;)
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TheFrog wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:57 am
trapper wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:01 am I haven’t been following closely but can I just ask why a private citizen and his family doing business in China is a crime?
Having an account in China is not a crime. Not declaring it to the IRS is another issue. I don't know whether that what they mean when they mention a "secret" account in China.

As for doing business in China, as long as it is legal business, it is not an issue. Now when you are the President, your family doing business anywhere - like say your son being on the board of an Ukrainian company - is not a crime but it can create concerns about conflicts of interest or corruption. Though until something is proven, you deserve the benefit of the doubt.
I perhaps should have been clearer. I was referring to Biden, hence why I said private citizen. Aren’t he and his family being accused of doing business in China? That seems to be the accusation in the posts above and by Trump in the debate. I just don’t see how there is supposed to be any wrong doing on Bidens part given that he was a private citizen in 2017.
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What has happened to Trump's 1 billion dollar plus campaign fund?
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Fat Old Git wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:13 am What has happened to Trump's 1 billion dollar plus campaign fund?
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Fat Old Git wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:13 am What has happened to Trump's 1 billion dollar plus campaign fund?
Swindled into Jarred's back pocket?
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I don't know, but it would pay off a lot of porn stars.

In other news, I see that the US has just hit a record number of new Covid-19 cases, with something like 81000 new cases. But that must be fake news as I have been told from an impeccable source that the US has turned the corner and that it's going away.
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Fat Old Git wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:31 am I don't know, but it would pay off a lot of porn stars.

In other news, I see that the US has just hit a record number of new Covid-19 cases, with something like 81000 new cases. But that must be fake news as I have been told from an impeccable source that the US has turned the corner and that it's going away.
It's turned the corner so many times , it ended up where it started.
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P in VG wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:18 am
Fat Old Git wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:13 am What has happened to Trump's 1 billion dollar plus campaign fund?
Swindled into Jarred's back pocket?
There was a GOP strategist who recently observed if you'd stored the funds raised as cash and given flamethrowers to some monkeys you would have struggled to burn through and waste as much.

There is certainly a very real concern that money given in good faith has been swindled because there should be much more to show for it, much, much more.
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Whatever wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:14 am
Ali's Choice wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:33 am For some reason Sky News Australia is broadcasting a Donald Trump campaign rally. Not sure why they think anyone would want to watch this? He is a disgusting human being and anyone that would vote for him has absolute shit for brains.
100%, but Trump rallies are a phenomenon, almost evangelical. "His people" need him as much as he needs them, desperate stuff allround. His followers are, err, not-very-well educated people that feel that "their" country has passed them by and that this weird guy, who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, somehow speaks for them. And they get really fired up. Mad stuff.
If you're unlucky enough to stumble on a Newscorp news feed anywhere, it's undiluted Trump fluffing.
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TheFrog wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:57 am
trapper wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:01 am I haven’t been following closely but can I just ask why a private citizen and his family doing business in China is a crime?
Having an account in China is not a crime. Not declaring it to the IRS is another issue. I don't know whether that what they mean when they mention a "secret" account in China.

As for doing business in China, as long as it is legal business, it is not an issue. Now when you are the President, your family doing business anywhere - like say your son being on the board of an Ukrainian company - is not a crime but it can create concerns about conflicts of interest or corruption. Though until something is proven, you deserve the benefit of the doubt.
That's all true, however Trump's businesses also do business in China, and Trump is president. I'm beginning to suspect the whole Ukraine thing is Trump being Trump, accusing his enemies of what he does.
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If Trump is voted out he will have got through a full term without starting a war. :thumbup:

Will Biden be able to match that modest achievement? Considering that he now was all the neo-cons it may be a struggle.
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Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:43 am If Trump is voted out he will have got through a full term without starting a war. :thumbup:

Will Biden be able to match that modest achievement? Considering that he now was all the neo-cons it may be a struggle.
Well Trump did manage to kill 220 000 of his own citizens without a new war, which is a record that will stand for some time I think
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Big Nipper wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:45 am
Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:43 am If Trump is voted out he will have got through a full term without starting a war. :thumbup:

Will Biden be able to match that modest achievement? Considering that he now was all the neo-cons it may be a struggle.
Well Trump did manage to kill 220 000 of his own citizens without a new war, which is a record that will stand for some time I think
As if you care.

How many has Macron killed?
How many has Johnson killed?
How many has Sophie Wilmes killed?
How many has Martin Vizcarra killed?

Do you hold ALL these people responsible for ALL the deaths in their countries?
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Big Nipper wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:45 am
Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:43 am If Trump is voted out he will have got through a full term without starting a war. :thumbup:

Will Biden be able to match that modest achievement? Considering that he now was all the neo-cons it may be a struggle.
Well Trump did manage to kill 220 000 of his own citizens without a new war, which is a record that will stand for some time I think
Peak leftist insight.
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Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:43 am If Trump is voted out he will have got through a full term without starting a war. :thumbup:

Will Biden be able to match that modest achievement? Considering that he now was all the neo-cons it may be a struggle.
He was all of them? Bloody hell.
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fatcat wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:06 pm
Big Nipper wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:45 am
Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:43 am If Trump is voted out he will have got through a full term without starting a war. :thumbup:

Will Biden be able to match that modest achievement? Considering that he now was all the neo-cons it may be a struggle.
Well Trump did manage to kill 220 000 of his own citizens without a new war, which is a record that will stand for some time I think
Peak leftist insight.
He doesn't give a shite about people dying, so long as he gets some ammunition against Trump. The more deaths the better for maniacs like BN.

He pretends to care. He doesn't.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:05 pm
Big Nipper wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:45 am
Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:43 am If Trump is voted out he will have got through a full term without starting a war. :thumbup:

Will Biden be able to match that modest achievement? Considering that he now was all the neo-cons it may be a struggle.
Well Trump did manage to kill 220 000 of his own citizens without a new war, which is a record that will stand for some time I think
As if you care.

How many has Macron killed?
How many has Johnson killed?
How many has Sophie Wilmes killed?
How many has Martin Vizcarra killed?

Do you hold ALL these people responsible for ALL the deaths in their countries?
Jacinda Ardern killed 25. That's more than Jeffrey Dahmer.
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koroke hangareka wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:07 pm
Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:43 am If Trump is voted out he will have got through a full term without starting a war. :thumbup:

Will Biden be able to match that modest achievement? Considering that he now was all the neo-cons it may be a struggle.
He was all of them? Bloody hell.
Indeed he was. Look how many wars he has been involved in starting.
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Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:09 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:05 pm
Big Nipper wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:45 am
Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:43 am If Trump is voted out he will have got through a full term without starting a war. :thumbup:

Will Biden be able to match that modest achievement? Considering that he now was all the neo-cons it may be a struggle.
Well Trump did manage to kill 220 000 of his own citizens without a new war, which is a record that will stand for some time I think
As if you care.

How many has Macron killed?
How many has Johnson killed?
How many has Sophie Wilmes killed?
How many has Martin Vizcarra killed?

Do you hold ALL these people responsible for ALL the deaths in their countries?
Jacinda Ardern killed 25. That's more than Jeffrey Dahmer.
I wonder what death numbers, either raw or per capita, are permissible until we reach a point that the head of govt can be accused of murder.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:05 pm
Big Nipper wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:45 am
Santa wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:43 am If Trump is voted out he will have got through a full term without starting a war. :thumbup:

Will Biden be able to match that modest achievement? Considering that he now was all the neo-cons it may be a struggle.
Well Trump did manage to kill 220 000 of his own citizens without a new war, which is a record that will stand for some time I think
As if you care.

How many has Macron killed?
How many has Johnson killed?
How many has Sophie Wilmes killed?
How many has Martin Vizcarra killed?

Do you hold ALL these people responsible for ALL the deaths in their countries?
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:53 pm
fatcat wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:04 pm Beloved master, fanbois, nazis, blah blah blah. Peak leftist insights.
Agent fatcat in from the cold :lol:
Another one of Mick's fluffers.
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Newsome wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:20 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:53 pm
fatcat wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:04 pm Beloved master, fanbois, nazis, blah blah blah. Peak leftist insights.
Agent fatcat in from the cold :lol:
Another one of Mick's fluffers.
Bless ickle oo
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Mick Mannock wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:22 pm
Newsome wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:20 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:53 pm
fatcat wrote: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:04 pm Beloved master, fanbois, nazis, blah blah blah. Peak leftist insights.
Agent fatcat in from the cold :lol:
Another one of Mick's fluffers.
Bless ickle oo
Sorry Mick, I don't speak Trump.
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