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Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:40 am
Derwyn wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:35 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:30 am He on the ballot?
I think it is now established that sleepy Joe is up to his eyeballs in corruption.
It hasn't really but do carry on.

This disgrace to GOP politics will be gone in a week.
Even Pence would be a massive upgrade on Trump.
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The lad ignoring doctors advice to campaign?

Yeah probably.
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Derwyn wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:35 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:30 am He on the ballot?
I think it is now established that sleepy Joe is up to his eyeballs in corruption.
I think most people believe it's just a desperate tactic by the Trump side.
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Accusing the other lad of enriching himself off selling access while Don Jnr goes around coked to the eyeballs :lol:
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I can't help but think that Trump has laid the blueprint for a far more dangerous president. A more sinister but articulate, disciplined and intelligent candidate.
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CrazyIslander wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:42 am
Derwyn wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:35 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:30 am He on the ballot?
I think it is now established that sleepy Joe is up to his eyeballs in corruption.
That smear tactic worked against Hilary last time but don't think people will be fooled twice now that they've gotten to know Donald better.
Quite. In 2016 it already seemed unlikely that Trump would be the one chosen to 'drain the swamp', given his history. However, after 4 years of him in office it is now frankly laughable that any of his supporters would chose to use 'corruption' as a line of attack against an opponent.

Trump is standing head to toe in human shit, pointing at the guy next to him and claiming that he smells a bit funny.
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CrazyIslander wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:52 am I can't help but think that Trump has laid the blueprint for a far more dangerous president. A more sinister but articulate, disciplined and intelligent candidate.
Indeed. Tucker Carlson, for example, is banging exactly the same drum and is exactly as hypocritical and amoral. But he's also smarter than Trump because he's not in a significant mental decline and is able to hold on to a thought from one end of a sentence to the other.

He would also be a 'political outsider' and - despite being enormously wealthy as a result of inheritance rather than competence - he has also been successfully casting himself as a representative of the downtrodden, under attack from the elites.
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On the subject of Tucker Carlson
Hunter Biden's former business partner Tony Bobulinski will appear on Tucker Carlson's Fox News show on Tuesday night with 'new allegations', which sources claim will 'bury' the Biden family.

Bobulinski has since early October been pushing the story of his time in business with Hunter Biden, 50, and his claims that Joe Biden was involved in the attempts to make deals.

Sean Davis, co-founder of The Federalist, tweeted: 'According to a source familiar with the planning, Bobulinski will play recordings of Biden family operatives begging him to stay quiet and claiming Bobulinski's revelations will "bury" the reputations of everyone involved in Hunter's overseas deals.'
Here's hoping :thumbup:
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4071 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:53 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:42 am
Derwyn wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:35 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:30 am He on the ballot?
I think it is now established that sleepy Joe is up to his eyeballs in corruption.
That smear tactic worked against Hilary last time but don't think people will be fooled twice now that they've gotten to know Donald better.
Quite. In 2016 it already seemed unlikely that Trump would be the one chosen to 'drain the swamp', given his history. However, after 4 years of him in office it is now frankly laughable that any of his supporters would chose to use 'corruption' as a line of attack against an opponent.

Trump is standing head to toe in human shit, pointing at the guy next to him and claiming that he smells a bit funny.
It still works for some people. Trump has a history of pedo-lite behaviour from walking in to the change room of teen beauty contestants to being mates with Epstein and his relationship with his daughter. Yet they call Biden a pedo coz he kissed his grandchild.

Hunter Biden as a private citizen made money using his family name. Ivanka & Kushner made over $100m working as White House staff. Not to mention Trump using his hotels and resorts for official government business. Yet, we're talking about Hunter Biden being corrupt.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:07 am On the subject of Tucker Carlson
Hunter Biden's former business partner Tony Bobulinski will appear on Tucker Carlson's Fox News show on Tuesday night with 'new allegations', which sources claim will 'bury' the Biden family.

Bobulinski has since early October been pushing the story of his time in business with Hunter Biden, 50, and his claims that Joe Biden was involved in the attempts to make deals.

Sean Davis, co-founder of The Federalist, tweeted: 'According to a source familiar with the planning, Bobulinski will play recordings of Biden family operatives begging him to stay quiet and claiming Bobulinski's revelations will "bury" the reputations of everyone involved in Hunter's overseas deals.'
Here's hoping :thumbup:
Who funds The Federalist?
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4071 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:57 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:52 am I can't help but think that Trump has laid the blueprint for a far more dangerous president. A more sinister but articulate, disciplined and intelligent candidate.
Indeed. Tucker Carlson, for example, is banging exactly the same drum and is exactly as hypocritical and amoral. But he's also smarter than Trump because he's not in a significant mental decline and is able to hold on to a thought from one end of a sentence to the other.

He would also be a 'political outsider' and - despite being enormously wealthy as a result of inheritance rather than competence - he has also been successfully casting himself as a representative of the downtrodden, under attack from the elites.
Can only hope that he's stuck his neck out too early and his association with Trump will be his downfall. I reckon Americans are sick of Trump's schtick tbh. It was refreshing in 2016 because he was unorthodox.

Its like wearing a seatbelt, 99% of time you didn't really need to wear it. Unfortunately for the US, they decided break the mold and went with the Chaos candidate for once. Only to run into the biggest pandemic in a century.
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piquant wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:02 am Four legs good, two legs better

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... -stripping
I've been watching this.

Exactly the kind of partisan chipping away at the structure of the system that the likes of Santa say is not going to happen, then dismiss as irrelevant when it does. But these things add up.

When Trump loses expect a massive purge of disloyal civil servants between election and inauguration, followed by the mass seeding of unqualified and politicised appointees throughout the service. Partly as revenge against the 'disloyal', and partly an attempt to hobble the next president.
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Big Nipper wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:15 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:07 am On the subject of Tucker Carlson
Hunter Biden's former business partner Tony Bobulinski will appear on Tucker Carlson's Fox News show on Tuesday night with 'new allegations', which sources claim will 'bury' the Biden family.

Bobulinski has since early October been pushing the story of his time in business with Hunter Biden, 50, and his claims that Joe Biden was involved in the attempts to make deals.

Sean Davis, co-founder of The Federalist, tweeted: 'According to a source familiar with the planning, Bobulinski will play recordings of Biden family operatives begging him to stay quiet and claiming Bobulinski's revelations will "bury" the reputations of everyone involved in Hunter's overseas deals.'
Here's hoping :thumbup:
Who funds The Federalist?
What does it matter?
It will be Bobulinski as a guest, not Sean Davis
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4071 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:57 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:52 am I can't help but think that Trump has laid the blueprint for a far more dangerous president. A more sinister but articulate, disciplined and intelligent candidate.
Indeed. Tucker Carlson, for example, is banging exactly the same drum and is exactly as hypocritical and amoral. But he's also smarter than Trump because he's not in a significant mental decline and is able to hold on to a thought from one end of a sentence to the other.

He would also be a 'political outsider' and - despite being enormously wealthy as a result of inheritance rather than competence - he has also been successfully casting himself as a representative of the downtrodden, under attack from the elites.
If the Democrats get control of both Congress and the Senate there is a lot to they can do undo 20 years of Republican work on making it difficult or impossible for likely Democrat voters to have their say.

They absolutely have to do that or they could be stuck with the less popular party being in government for a long time. It is fair to say a disaster like Trump still in with a shot should be a warning for them
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4071 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:27 am
piquant wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:02 am Four legs good, two legs better

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... -stripping
I've been watching this.

Exactly the kind of partisan chipping away at the structure of the system that the likes of Santa say is not going to happen, then dismiss as irrelevant when it does. But these things add up.

When Trump loses expect a massive purge of disloyal civil servants between election and inauguration, followed by the mass seeding of unqualified and politicised appointees throughout the service. Partly as revenge against the 'disloyal', and partly an attempt to hobble the next president.
Trump has been doing that for 3 years anyway
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CrazyIslander wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:52 am I can't help but think that Trump has laid the blueprint for a far more dangerous president. A more sinister but articulate, disciplined and intelligent candidate.
Somebody genuinely intelligent would have little chance unless crazy good at dissembling, as they would utterly alienate a significant proportion of Trump's base.
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:44 am
4071 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:57 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:52 am I can't help but think that Trump has laid the blueprint for a far more dangerous president. A more sinister but articulate, disciplined and intelligent candidate.
Indeed. Tucker Carlson, for example, is banging exactly the same drum and is exactly as hypocritical and amoral. But he's also smarter than Trump because he's not in a significant mental decline and is able to hold on to a thought from one end of a sentence to the other.

He would also be a 'political outsider' and - despite being enormously wealthy as a result of inheritance rather than competence - he has also been successfully casting himself as a representative of the downtrodden, under attack from the elites.
If the Democrats get control of both Congress and the Senate there is a lot to they can do undo 20 years of Republican work on making it difficult or impossible for likely Democrat voters to have their say.

They absolutely have to do that or they could be stuck with the less popular party being in government for a long time. It is fair to say a disaster like Trump still in with a shot should be a warning for them
The issues is that whilst they can do a lot in the 2 years they will (probably) control the Presidency and both houses, they also have the priority of trying to deal with the social and economic impact of Trump's ineptitude.

You will note that after quickly forcing through his right-wing theocratic judge to the Supreme Court, Mitch has adjourned the Senate until after the election. So no coronavirus relief until afterwards.

Obviously he has his priorities, and they don't include the American people. So it will be up to the Democrats to try and help instead. And that, rather than fixing the system Trump has been breaking, will be their priority.

In the meantime, the Republicans will be sniping from the sidelines about Democrat spending damaging the country. They will again pretend to care about the deficit and the debt. When Trump's tax cuts to the middle class expire in 2022 they will pretend that it's the fault of the Democrats. Not because it's true - these people have clearly demonstrated their character in that regard - but because they know they will have two years of lying and attacking the incumbents during a period that would be incredibly difficult for any ruling party to deal with.

They will absolve themselves of the blame for all of it and try and get voters to believe that the longer term economic and social impacts are the fault of the people who inherited them, not the people who created them. And that 2-year campaign of lies is almost certain to win back the Senate, allowing the minority party to once again hobble the majority.
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:56 am
4071 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:27 am
piquant wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:02 am Four legs good, two legs better

https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... -stripping
I've been watching this.

Exactly the kind of partisan chipping away at the structure of the system that the likes of Santa say is not going to happen, then dismiss as irrelevant when it does. But these things add up.

When Trump loses expect a massive purge of disloyal civil servants between election and inauguration, followed by the mass seeding of unqualified and politicised appointees throughout the service. Partly as revenge against the 'disloyal', and partly an attempt to hobble the next president.
Trump has been doing that for 3 years anyway
In the story of the Emperor's clothes the emperor was never prouder than after the child blurts out he's not wearing anything, it's just possible Trump gloomed onto that last and took entirely the wrong message from the parable.

And yes he's been doing it for years, but hopefully it never stops being shocking.
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As Biden lied brazenly during the last debate - on fracking - why should anyone take his word when he denies corruption, taking money from foreign business interests/govts, knowledge of Hunter's business dealings, and Hunter's individual criminal behaviour and sexual depravity?

Biden is a proven liar as recently as last week.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:47 pm As Biden lied brazenly during the last debate - on fracking - why should anyone take his word when he denies corruption, taking money from foreign business interests/govts, knowledge of Hunter's business dealings, and Hunter's individual criminal behaviour and sexual depravity?

Biden is a proven liar as recently as last week.
And now a Trumpist going after an opponent for - of all things - lying.

It's like they've not actually paid any attention to their guy for the last four years.
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4071 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:01 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:47 pm As Biden lied brazenly during the last debate - on fracking - why should anyone take his word when he denies corruption, taking money from foreign business interests/govts, knowledge of Hunter's business dealings, and Hunter's individual criminal behaviour and sexual depravity?

Biden is a proven liar as recently as last week.
And now a Trumpist going after an opponent for - of all things - lying.

It's like they've not actually paid any attention to their guy for the last four years.
Blimey! You actually agree that Biden lied during the presidential debate :thumbup:

But, regardless of this, why should anyone believe Biden over his dealings/knowledge re Hunter, when even you concede he lies.
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I can't believe politicians lie. We should all be very concerned.
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Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:47 am Accusing the other lad of enriching himself off selling access while Don Jnr goes around coked to the eyeballs :lol:
Just finished reading the John Bolton's book "the room where it happened" and in his conclusion, he wrote that he believed that the Dems did a terrible job with the impeachment, unworthy of the high constitutional responsibility vested in the House and that, had they been driven by going to the bottom of things rather than by their political agenda, they would have uncovered much more about Trump and would likely have moved the lines at the Senate.

He adds that elections are the greatest check and balance for the Executive and, given how often it is short term political considerations that have prevented Trump from doing stupid thing (fear of medias backlash and voters reaction), he is very worried that Trump will be uncontrollable if he gets reelected. But in the end, he says, the Dems may like his policies (previously in the book he said that Kushner has a Democrat agenda for foreign policies).
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4071 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:57 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:52 am I can't help but think that Trump has laid the blueprint for a far more dangerous president. A more sinister but articulate, disciplined and intelligent candidate.
Indeed. Tucker Carlson, for example, is banging exactly the same drum and is exactly as hypocritical and amoral. But he's also smarter than Trump because he's not in a significant mental decline and is able to hold on to a thought from one end of a sentence to the other.

He would also be a 'political outsider' and - despite being enormously wealthy as a result of inheritance rather than competence - he has also been successfully casting himself as a representative of the downtrodden, under attack from the elites.
Reality is that you have a core group of 35% to 40% Americans who support this political line. The GOP as we knew it is dead and there is no space for a "moderate" GOP candidate unless the Dems candidate is Sanders or someone to his left.
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fatcat wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:14 pm I can't believe politicians lie. We should all be very concerned.
I don't care much if Biden lies about fracking and the wider oil industry, although the 10 million plus people who may lose their jobs might feel differently. Anyway, his lies are open for all to see.

If he is lying about being in hock to the CCP, that does bother me
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TheFrog wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:15 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:47 am Accusing the other lad of enriching himself off selling access while Don Jnr goes around coked to the eyeballs :lol:
Just finished reading the John Bolton's book "the room where it happened" and in his conclusion, he wrote that he believed that the Dems did a terrible job with the impeachment, unworthy of the high constitutional responsibility vested in the House and that, had they been driven by going to the bottom of things rather than by their political agenda, they would have uncovered much more about Trump and would likely have moved the lines at the Senate.

He adds that elections are the greatest check and balance for the Executive and, given how often it is short term political considerations that have prevented Trump from doing stupid thing (fear of medias backlash and voters reaction), he is very worried that Trump will be uncontrollable if he gets reelected. But in the end, he says, the Dems may like his policies (previously in the book he said that Kushner has a Democrat agenda for foreign policies).
Bolton's book is excellent.

Brought back my faith in the sane wing of the party.

I made the mistake of reading Christie's after it and lost it again.
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TheFrog wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:15 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:47 am Accusing the other lad of enriching himself off selling access while Don Jnr goes around coked to the eyeballs :lol:
Just finished reading the John Bolton's book "the room where it happened" and in his conclusion, he wrote that he believed that the Dems did a terrible job with the impeachment, unworthy of the high constitutional responsibility vested in the House and that, had they been driven by going to the bottom of things rather than by their political agenda, they would have uncovered much more about Trump and would likely have moved the lines at the Senate.

He adds that elections are the greatest check and balance for the Executive and, given how often it is short term political considerations that have prevented Trump from doing stupid thing (fear of medias backlash and voters reaction), he is very worried that Trump will be uncontrollable if he gets reelected. But in the end, he says, the Dems may like his policies (previously in the book he said that Kushner has a Democrat agenda for foreign policies).
John Bolton :lol:

The man is a neocon nutcase.
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Hi Mick,

Just trying to guest a handle on your devotion to your guy. When Trump made that comment about injecting bleach. Did you believe his explanation that he was being sarcastic and talking to a journalist ?
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4071 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:15 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:44 am
4071 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:57 am
CrazyIslander wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:52 am I can't help but think that Trump has laid the blueprint for a far more dangerous president. A more sinister but articulate, disciplined and intelligent candidate.
Indeed. Tucker Carlson, for example, is banging exactly the same drum and is exactly as hypocritical and amoral. But he's also smarter than Trump because he's not in a significant mental decline and is able to hold on to a thought from one end of a sentence to the other.

He would also be a 'political outsider' and - despite being enormously wealthy as a result of inheritance rather than competence - he has also been successfully casting himself as a representative of the downtrodden, under attack from the elites.
If the Democrats get control of both Congress and the Senate there is a lot to they can do undo 20 years of Republican work on making it difficult or impossible for likely Democrat voters to have their say.

They absolutely have to do that or they could be stuck with the less popular party being in government for a long time. It is fair to say a disaster like Trump still in with a shot should be a warning for them
The issues is that whilst they can do a lot in the 2 years they will (probably) control the Presidency and both houses, they also have the priority of trying to deal with the social and economic impact of Trump's ineptitude.

You will note that after quickly forcing through his right-wing theocratic judge to the Supreme Court, Mitch has adjourned the Senate until after the election. So no coronavirus relief until afterwards.

Obviously he has his priorities, and they don't include the American people. So it will be up to the Democrats to try and help instead. And that, rather than fixing the system Trump has been breaking, will be their priority.

In the meantime, the Republicans will be sniping from the sidelines about Democrat spending damaging the country. They will again pretend to care about the deficit and the debt. When Trump's tax cuts to the middle class expire in 2022 they will pretend that it's the fault of the Democrats. Not because it's true - these people have clearly demonstrated their character in that regard - but because they know they will have two years of lying and attacking the incumbents during a period that would be incredibly difficult for any ruling party to deal with.

They will absolve themselves of the blame for all of it and try and get voters to believe that the longer term economic and social impacts are the fault of the people who inherited them, not the people who created them. And that 2-year campaign of lies is almost certain to win back the Senate, allowing the minority party to once again hobble the majority.
Fair point, and they may well have started their scorched earth policy as they anticipate losing.
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Derwyn always gets upset when people mention books.

Doesn't like the debate going where he cannot follow.
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Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:26 pm Derwyn always gets upset when people mention books.

Doesn't like the debate going where he cannot follow.
I don’t do fiction, Chunk.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:02 pm
4071 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:01 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:47 pm As Biden lied brazenly during the last debate - on fracking - why should anyone take his word when he denies corruption, taking money from foreign business interests/govts, knowledge of Hunter's business dealings, and Hunter's individual criminal behaviour and sexual depravity?

Biden is a proven liar as recently as last week.
And now a Trumpist going after an opponent for - of all things - lying.

It's like they've not actually paid any attention to their guy for the last four years.
Blimey! You actually agree that Biden lied during the presidential debate :thumbup:

But, regardless of this, why should anyone believe Biden over his dealings/knowledge re Hunter, when even you concede he lies.
I don't know whether he lied, or was genuinely confused about his own position. Either is possible, and neither is a good option.

But at this point in the election cycle, there are only two candidates. So it's not a case of going with the best option, but the better option of the two. Even if Biden has lied, he has lied less often and less brazenly than Trump. Even if he has had some dodgy dealings, he is less openly corrupt than Trump.

He's the least bad option.


If I answer a knock on my door and am confronted by two men, one of whom has dogshit smeared on his shoe and the other of whom is not only smeared all over and dripping with faeces but is actively shitting himself as he stands there, then I don't want to let either man into my house. But if I had to choose, then I'd prefer the guy with some shit on his shoe.
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:24 pm Hi Mick,

Just trying to guest a handle on your devotion to your guy. When Trump made that comment about injecting bleach. Did you believe his explanation that he was being sarcastic and talking to a journalist ?
Injecting bleach eh?

Who suggested doing that?
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Derwyn wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:27 pm
Mullet 2 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:26 pm Derwyn always gets upset when people mention books.

Doesn't like the debate going where he cannot follow.
I don’t do books, Chunk.
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4071 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:28 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:02 pm
4071 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:01 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:47 pm As Biden lied brazenly during the last debate - on fracking - why should anyone take his word when he denies corruption, taking money from foreign business interests/govts, knowledge of Hunter's business dealings, and Hunter's individual criminal behaviour and sexual depravity?

Biden is a proven liar as recently as last week.
And now a Trumpist going after an opponent for - of all things - lying.

It's like they've not actually paid any attention to their guy for the last four years.
Blimey! You actually agree that Biden lied during the presidential debate :thumbup:

But, regardless of this, why should anyone believe Biden over his dealings/knowledge re Hunter, when even you concede he lies.
I don't know whether he lied, or was genuinely confused about his own position. Either is possible, and neither is a good option.

But at this point in the election cycle, there are only two candidates. So it's not a case of going with the best option, but the better option of the two. Even if Biden has lied, he has lied less often and less brazenly than Trump. Even if he has had some dodgy dealings, he is less openly corrupt than Trump.

He's the least bad option.


If I answer a knock on my door and am confronted by two men, one of whom has dogshit smeared on his shoe and the other of whom is not only smeared all over and dripping with faeces but is actively shitting himself as he stands there, then I don't want to let either man into my house. But if I had to choose, then I'd prefer the guy with some shit on his shoe.
Not really answer, but you are not the most laconic of chaps.
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:24 pm Hi Mick,

Just trying to guest a handle on your devotion to your guy. When Trump made that comment about injecting bleach. Did you believe his explanation that he was being sarcastic and talking to a journalist ?
Do you think Trump regularly uses imprecise language as he's not the most articulate guy, plus he says a lot of stuff without thinking, or do you take everything he says literally?
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Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:28 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:24 pm Hi Mick,

Just trying to guest a handle on your devotion to your guy. When Trump made that comment about injecting bleach. Did you believe his explanation that he was being sarcastic and talking to a journalist ?
Injecting bleach eh?

Who suggested doing that?
So Trump was lying he said it and admitted saying it?

Probably a paedo
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:24 pm Hi Mick,

Just trying to guest a handle on your devotion to your guy. When Trump made that comment about injecting bleach. Did you believe his explanation that he was being sarcastic and talking to a journalist ?
Rather, when Trump said in February that the virus was nothing more than the seasonal flu, that by April it would be gone, or when later, he said churches should be packed for Easter and when, later, you learn that he knew that the virus was deadly and airborne thanks to his good friend Xi... did you believe he was just confused?

Are Trump lies more trustworthy than Biden's alledged lies?
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fatcat wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:31 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:24 pm Hi Mick,

Just trying to guest a handle on your devotion to your guy. When Trump made that comment about injecting bleach. Did you believe his explanation that he was being sarcastic and talking to a journalist ?
Do you think Trump regularly uses imprecise language as he's not the most articulate guy, plus he says a lot of stuff without thinking, or do you take everything he says literally?

So he's like a crap version of the bible?
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