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towny wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:25 am This is the woman the fat nerds of PR think isn’t hot....

https://twitter.com/avella_marcos/statu ... 56800?s=21

They’ve all had better. Way better.


Right boys? 😉
Why do you find it difficult to believe that some of us do not find this woman irresistible?
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EverReady wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:30 am
Mullet 2 wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:27 am It would almost make you lose faith in Fox News
Look they have credit in the bank
Agreed
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Trump's latest appeal to suburban women is not misogynistic at all :lol: :lol: :lol:

"Suburban ladies, I will send your husband back to work"

The crowds still cheer.

Claims Michigan is locked down like a prison...while talking to thousands of people gathered at his rally.

The crowds still cheer.

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BokJock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:24 am Trump's latest appeal to suburban women is not misogynistic at all :lol: :lol: :lol:

"Suburban ladies, I will send your husband back to work"

The crowds still cheer.

Claims Michigan is locked down like a prison...while talking to thousands of people gathered at his rally.

The crowds still cheer.

Morons
How on earth do you find that offensive?
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In news unrelated to draining swamps and the need to overthrown the corrupt liberal elites, earlier this month Texas AG Ken Paxton was accused by SEVEN whistleblowers of corruption.

He was accused of bribery and abuse of office by a number of top lawyers in the AG's office, who wrote an open letter that he stood accused of “violating federal and/or state law including prohibitions related to improper influence, abuse of office, bribery and other potential criminal offenses.”

Separately, Paxton was indicted five years ago on felony charges of securities fraud. There is still no trial date set.


Yesterday it was reported that the last of the seven has left his position. All seven have resigned, been places on leave or been fired for unspecified violations of agency policy.

The Texas AG remains in his position and refuses to resign.


But how about those Democrats, eh? DRAIN THE SWAMP! DRAIN THE SWAMP!
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But...but Jewis...I mean "cultural Marxist" paedophile ring!
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Mick Mannock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:26 am
BokJock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:24 am Trump's latest appeal to suburban women is not misogynistic at all :lol: :lol: :lol:

"Suburban ladies, I will send your husband back to work"

The crowds still cheer.

Claims Michigan is locked down like a prison...while talking to thousands of people gathered at his rally.

The crowds still cheer.

Morons
How on earth do you find that offensive?
You must be taking the piss
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Mick Mannock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:26 am
BokJock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:24 am Trump's latest appeal to suburban women is not misogynistic at all :lol: :lol: :lol:

"Suburban ladies, I will send your husband back to work"

The crowds still cheer.

Claims Michigan is locked down like a prison...while talking to thousands of people gathered at his rally.

The crowds still cheer.

Morons
How on earth do you find that offensive?
I actually don't find that offensive, but certainly would if I wasn't a man.
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towny wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:56 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:26 am
BokJock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:24 am Trump's latest appeal to suburban women is not misogynistic at all :lol: :lol: :lol:

"Suburban ladies, I will send your husband back to work"

The crowds still cheer.

Claims Michigan is locked down like a prison...while talking to thousands of people gathered at his rally.

The crowds still cheer.

Morons
How on earth do you find that offensive?
I actually don't find that offensive, but certainly would if I wasn't a man.
He is trolling you, Anon
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Mick Mannock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:26 am
BokJock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:24 am Trump's latest appeal to suburban women is not misogynistic at all :lol: :lol: :lol:

"Suburban ladies, I will send your husband back to work"

The crowds still cheer.

Claims Michigan is locked down like a prison...while talking to thousands of people gathered at his rally.

The crowds still cheer.

Morons
How on earth do you find that offensive?
:lol:
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Some quotes from the Socialist Newspaper, The Guardian, who interviewed Trump's enemies:

Bob Woodward
Now you have the added factor that Trump’s also had Covid-19 and he’s on steroids, saying things like, “It is a blessing from God that I got the virus”. I can’t think of anything more absurd, or crueller, than calling it a blessing from God. More than 210,000 people have died in the US. For the president of the US to talk like that is unbelievable, but I think people have become numb to it.

Mary Trump
He knows that he’s losing – he’ll deny it mightily – and at some level he understands what’s at stake. If he loses, he’s probably going to prison. So, if he’s going down, he’s going to take us all down with him.
I’ve always believed that deep down Donald is a terrified little boy. The amount of fear he’s feeling now has got to be unhinging him.
Since Donald was elected, I’ve been surprised by nothing he’s done or said. But I have been shocked by the wholesale abdication of responsibility by the Republican party during this election campaign and throughout the past four years
.
No other president in history has been able to push the envelope the way Donald does. He’s always trying to see what he can get away with and, as I have seen through the course of his life, he’s always got away with everything. No one holds him accountable. He constantly gets rewarded for failing
.

John Bolton
Decisions are made not on the basis of the pros and cons of the policies being debated but on what the domestic political blowback could be. Every president takes politics into account but with Trump it’s qualitatively different. It’s not just a factor. It’s the factor.
He’s trying to turn his Covid-19 infection to his advantage. I assume that’s what he thought he was doing with his grand entrance to the White House, posing on the balcony like Il Duce.
It became clear in ways that I previously found impossible to contemplate that he had no philosophy, no grand strategy, he didn’t think in policy terms. Every day was a new adventure.
I don’t think he has the character or fitness to be president. I once said to a psychologist that Trump doesn’t have character and the psychologist said, sure he does, he has a character defect.
I think he was kind of envious of leaders like Putin, Xi Jinping and Erdoğan. They are big guys and they do big guy things and he wants to be a big guy too. I can’t explain why he has this affinity for authoritarian leaders but there’s no doubt he does.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:26 am
BokJock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:24 am Trump's latest appeal to suburban women is not misogynistic at all :lol: :lol: :lol:

"Suburban ladies, I will send your husband back to work"

The crowds still cheer.

Claims Michigan is locked down like a prison...while talking to thousands of people gathered at his rally.

The crowds still cheer.

Morons
How on earth do you find that offensive?
I mean sure, it isn't the most offensive thing he has ever said, more a gaffe probably. But you can't argue that it isn't just a little bit misogynistic unless you think we are living in the 1950's and all suburban women are at home waiting at the door for their husbands with his dinner ready at the table?
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BokJock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:24 am Trump's latest appeal to suburban women is not misogynistic at all :lol: :lol: :lol:

"Suburban ladies, I will send your husband back to work"

The crowds still cheer.

Claims Michigan is locked down like a prison...while talking to thousands of people gathered at his rally.

The crowds still cheer.

Morons
At a rally at Iowa
I get home, I turn home the television and they talked about your floods in Iowa. How is Iowa doing? The crops. How is this happening? How are they doing in Florida? Three or four stories, one after another. Where is my Nobel Peace Prize?! They don’t talk about it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollin ... 76063/amp/
Devastating flood in Iowa https://youtu.be/OJ5-ijji3cA

Same rally
told his supporters that he’d never come back to the state if he didn’t win its Electoral College votes in November.
Crowd still cheering
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TheFrog wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:46 pm Some quotes from the Socialist Newspaper, The Guardian, who interviewed Trump's enemies:

Bob Woodward
Now you have the added factor that Trump’s also had Covid-19 and he’s on steroids, saying things like, “It is a blessing from God that I got the virus”. I can’t think of anything more absurd, or crueller, than calling it a blessing from God. More than 210,000 people have died in the US. For the president of the US to talk like that is unbelievable, but I think people have become numb to it.

Mary Trump
He knows that he’s losing – he’ll deny it mightily – and at some level he understands what’s at stake. If he loses, he’s probably going to prison. So, if he’s going down, he’s going to take us all down with him.
I’ve always believed that deep down Donald is a terrified little boy. The amount of fear he’s feeling now has got to be unhinging him.
Since Donald was elected, I’ve been surprised by nothing he’s done or said. But I have been shocked by the wholesale abdication of responsibility by the Republican party during this election campaign and throughout the past four years
.
No other president in history has been able to push the envelope the way Donald does. He’s always trying to see what he can get away with and, as I have seen through the course of his life, he’s always got away with everything. No one holds him accountable. He constantly gets rewarded for failing
.

John Bolton
Decisions are made not on the basis of the pros and cons of the policies being debated but on what the domestic political blowback could be. Every president takes politics into account but with Trump it’s qualitatively different. It’s not just a factor. It’s the factor.
He’s trying to turn his Covid-19 infection to his advantage. I assume that’s what he thought he was doing with his grand entrance to the White House, posing on the balcony like Il Duce.
It became clear in ways that I previously found impossible to contemplate that he had no philosophy, no grand strategy, he didn’t think in policy terms. Every day was a new adventure.
I don’t think he has the character or fitness to be president. I once said to a psychologist that Trump doesn’t have character and the psychologist said, sure he does, he has a character defect.
I think he was kind of envious of leaders like Putin, Xi Jinping and Erdoğan. They are big guys and they do big guy things and he wants to be a big guy too. I can’t explain why he has this affinity for authoritarian leaders but there’s no doubt he does.
Do you mean to tell me that a person's enemies say mean things about them? This is new and interesting news.
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CrazyIslander wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:22 pm
told his supporters that he’d never come back to the state if he didn’t win its Electoral College votes in November.
Crowd still cheering
Doesn't sound like a bad result.
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Santa wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:31 pm
TheFrog wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:46 pm Some quotes from the Socialist Newspaper, The Guardian, who interviewed Trump's enemies:

Bob Woodward
Now you have the added factor that Trump’s also had Covid-19 and he’s on steroids, saying things like, “It is a blessing from God that I got the virus”. I can’t think of anything more absurd, or crueller, than calling it a blessing from God. More than 210,000 people have died in the US. For the president of the US to talk like that is unbelievable, but I think people have become numb to it.

Mary Trump
He knows that he’s losing – he’ll deny it mightily – and at some level he understands what’s at stake. If he loses, he’s probably going to prison. So, if he’s going down, he’s going to take us all down with him.
I’ve always believed that deep down Donald is a terrified little boy. The amount of fear he’s feeling now has got to be unhinging him.
Since Donald was elected, I’ve been surprised by nothing he’s done or said. But I have been shocked by the wholesale abdication of responsibility by the Republican party during this election campaign and throughout the past four years
.
No other president in history has been able to push the envelope the way Donald does. He’s always trying to see what he can get away with and, as I have seen through the course of his life, he’s always got away with everything. No one holds him accountable. He constantly gets rewarded for failing
.

John Bolton
Decisions are made not on the basis of the pros and cons of the policies being debated but on what the domestic political blowback could be. Every president takes politics into account but with Trump it’s qualitatively different. It’s not just a factor. It’s the factor.
He’s trying to turn his Covid-19 infection to his advantage. I assume that’s what he thought he was doing with his grand entrance to the White House, posing on the balcony like Il Duce.
It became clear in ways that I previously found impossible to contemplate that he had no philosophy, no grand strategy, he didn’t think in policy terms. Every day was a new adventure.
I don’t think he has the character or fitness to be president. I once said to a psychologist that Trump doesn’t have character and the psychologist said, sure he does, he has a character defect.
I think he was kind of envious of leaders like Putin, Xi Jinping and Erdoğan. They are big guys and they do big guy things and he wants to be a big guy too. I can’t explain why he has this affinity for authoritarian leaders but there’s no doubt he does.
Do you mean to tell me that a person's enemies say mean things about them? This is new and interesting news.
John Bolton is a lifelong Republican you dumb fúck. .

Unlike Donald
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CrazyIslander wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:22 pm
BokJock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:24 am Trump's latest appeal to suburban women is not misogynistic at all :lol: :lol: :lol:

"Suburban ladies, I will send your husband back to work"

The crowds still cheer.

Claims Michigan is locked down like a prison...while talking to thousands of people gathered at his rally.

The crowds still cheer.

Morons
At a rally at Iowa
I get home, I turn home the television and they talked about your floods in Iowa. How is Iowa doing? The crops. How is this happening? How are they doing in Florida? Three or four stories, one after another. Where is my Nobel Peace Prize?! They don’t talk about it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollin ... 76063/amp/
Devastating flood in Iowa https://youtu.be/OJ5-ijji3cA

Same rally
told his supporters that he’d never come back to the state if he didn’t win its Electoral College votes in November.
Crowd still cheering
He told one rally that he was pissed off that he had to even be there in the first place. Told the people to their face.

The crowd still cheered.

Morons
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It's a glimpse of what the far Right Republicans are really like. It's a mixture of the rich and gun loving evangelicals who adore the rich. The rich uses these evangelicals but really don't like them.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:07 pm
towny wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:56 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:26 am
BokJock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:24 am Trump's latest appeal to suburban women is not misogynistic at all :lol: :lol: :lol:

"Suburban ladies, I will send your husband back to work"

The crowds still cheer.

Claims Michigan is locked down like a prison...while talking to thousands of people gathered at his rally.

The crowds still cheer.

Morons
How on earth do you find that offensive?
I actually don't find that offensive, but certainly would if I wasn't a man.
He is trolling you, Anon
How is he trolling me. Someone mentioned misogynistic and you came out with the classic "How on earth do you find that offensive?" :lol:
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BokJock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:37 pm

He told one rally that he was pissed off that he had to even be there in the first place. Told the people to their face.

The crowd still cheered.

Morons

That was eerie. B'dum tss
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:03 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:07 pm
towny wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:56 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:26 am
BokJock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:24 am Trump's latest appeal to suburban women is not misogynistic at all :lol: :lol: :lol:

"Suburban ladies, I will send your husband back to work"

The crowds still cheer.

Claims Michigan is locked down like a prison...while talking to thousands of people gathered at his rally.

The crowds still cheer.

Morons
How on earth do you find that offensive?
I actually don't find that offensive, but certainly would if I wasn't a man.
He is trolling you, Anon
How is he trolling me. Someone mentioned misogynistic and you came out with the classic "How on earth do you find that offensive?" :lol:
He is impugning your masculinity
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All this discussion is for nothing. People are behaving like this election could go either way. This is purely based on some people expecting lightning to strike twice. Biden is 1/2 and he should be closer to 1/9. I forecast he could probably lose pensylvania and florida and still find a path to 270.

Trump is toast!!
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CrazyIslander wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:02 pm It's a glimpse of what the far Right Republicans are really like. It's a mixture of the rich and gun loving evangelicals who adore the rich. The rich uses these evangelicals but really don't like them.
In my opinion the Republican Party of old doesn't exist any longer. Trump put the final nail in the coffin but it is a process that started long ago, and which is not dissimilar to what is happening in Europe.

Traditional conservatives and liberals are far away from the 35% Americans who see in Trump a hero. A far right populist movement exists and only needs the Republican window to gather the funds necessary for election. But they are not Republicans as such. The rich do not massively belong to this movement which is mainly rooted in the lower middle class, less educated population. Those are people who suffer the effect of the economy and have grown to hate the "system" meaning anything that supports the current operation of the country. Trump is their champion because he is different although they fail to recognize that he doesn't give a dumb shite about them. And he tells them so much when he goes on about not losing his base even if he would murder someone on the 5th Avenue, or recently when, on the campaign trail, he told them he would rather not be there with them in the cold and that he was forced to hold this rally because he needed their votes.

Trump is their champion because he also has this anger rooted in him. Though born rich, he felt he had to prove himself to his father and to the rich and powerful around him who never welcomed him. He suffered from being reduced all his life for his childish behaviors, his lack of intellect, his profound ignorance and numerous feelings. But hate and revenge have been the engine of his ultimate success, becoming the President of the US.

This is also the motivation of the Trump core base. Hate and revenge over "Washington", over the system. And in fairness, politicians, if they had a bit more integrity should be concerned (I mean empathically) about them. These are symptoms of a suffering society, albeit despicable ones. Unfortunately, as highlighted by the sheepish behaviour of most Republicans under Trump, integrity is not the priority of these people, and sadly, in doing this, they prove the haters right.

How Trump ran the Republicans into submission is also very interesting and scary because it reminds us of the times when facism rised. Cowardice on one side, lack of integrity on that side too and on the other side, hate and revenge.

I am worried about the world, not just the US.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:41 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:03 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:07 pm
towny wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:56 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:26 am

How on earth do you find that offensive?
I actually don't find that offensive, but certainly would if I wasn't a man.
He is trolling you, Anon
How is he trolling me. Someone mentioned misogynistic and you came out with the classic "How on earth do you find that offensive?" :lol:
He is impugning your masculinity
What did I say that makes you think that ?
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piquant wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:25 pm
BokJock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:37 pm

He told one rally that he was pissed off that he had to even be there in the first place. Told the people to their face.

The crowd still cheered.

Morons

That was eerie. B'dum tss
Never seen a man so focused on himself, pissing in the face of his supporters so openly and still getting so much love from them. It's blind fascination.
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johnuknow wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:45 pm All this discussion is for nothing. People are behaving like this election could go either way. This is purely based on some people expecting lightning to strike twice. Biden is 1/2 and he should be closer to 1/9. I forecast he could probably lose pensylvania and florida and still find a path to 270.

Trump is toast!!
For me this whole thing hinges on Pennsylvania, whomever wins that will almost certainly win the White House.

FWIW I think Florida is staying red but that on it's own wont be enough.
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TheFrog wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:59 pm
piquant wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:25 pm
BokJock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:37 pm

He told one rally that he was pissed off that he had to even be there in the first place. Told the people to their face.

The crowd still cheered.

Morons

That was eerie. B'dum tss
Never seen a man so focused on himself, pissing in the face of his supporters so openly and still getting so much love from them. It's blind fascination.
It's the Life of Brian scene where he's telling them they've got to think for themselves somehow writ large (and that they shouldn't think at all)
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FFS They are getting desperate :lol:
The president’s Fox News media ally Tucker Carlson has meanwhile attracted derision after claiming on air that he had “damning” documents about the family of Democratic challenger Joe Biden, whom he accuses of corrupt business dealings overseas, but that he could not broadcast them because they “suddenly vanished” in the mail.
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TheFrog wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:50 pm
CrazyIslander wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:02 pm It's a glimpse of what the far Right Republicans are really like. It's a mixture of the rich and gun loving evangelicals who adore the rich. The rich uses these evangelicals but really don't like them.
In my opinion the Republican Party of old doesn't exist any longer. Trump put the final nail in the coffin but it is a process that started long ago, and which is not dissimilar to what is happening in Europe.

Traditional conservatives and liberals are far away from the 35% Americans who see in Trump a hero. A far right populist movement exists and only needs the Republican window to gather the funds necessary for election. But they are not Republicans as such. The rich do not massively belong to this movement which is mainly rooted in the lower middle class, less educated population. Those are people who suffer the effect of the economy and have grown to hate the "system" meaning anything that supports the current operation of the country. Trump is their champion because he is different although they fail to recognize that he doesn't give a dumb shite about them. And he tells them so much when he goes on about not losing his base even if he would murder someone on the 5th Avenue, or recently when, on the campaign trail, he told them he would rather not be there with them in the cold and that he was forced to hold this rally because he needed their votes.

Trump is their champion because he also has this anger rooted in him. Though born rich, he felt he had to prove himself to his father and to the rich and powerful around him who never welcomed him. He suffered from being reduced all his life for his childish behaviors, his lack of intellect, his profound ignorance and numerous feelings. But hate and revenge have been the engine of his ultimate success, becoming the President of the US.

This is also the motivation of the Trump core base. Hate and revenge over "Washington", over the system. And in fairness, politicians, if they had a bit more integrity should be concerned (I mean empathically) about them. These are symptoms of a suffering society, albeit despicable ones. Unfortunately, as highlighted by the sheepish behaviour of most Republicans under Trump, integrity is not the priority of these people, and sadly, in doing this, they prove the haters right.

How Trump ran the Republicans into submission is also very interesting and scary because it reminds us of the times when facism rised. Cowardice on one side, lack of integrity on that side too and on the other side, hate and revenge.

I am worried about the world, not just the US.
I remember on the first season of The Apprentice, Trump and the group went and met the New York Yankee's owner. The owner told everybody "that man is a winner" meaning Trump. Trump just stood there with a big smirk on his face. I thought WTF, why did we need to be told that? The whole premise of the show was that Trump was a very successful businessman who's showing these apprentices (and the audience) how to be a winner in business. Yet, Trump looked like a little boy needing validation. It didn't make sense until the last 4 years where we get a closer look at him.
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TheFrog wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:13 pm FFS They are getting desperate :lol:
The president’s Fox News media ally Tucker Carlson has meanwhile attracted derision after claiming on air that he had “damning” documents about the family of Democratic challenger Joe Biden, whom he accuses of corrupt business dealings overseas, but that he could not broadcast them because they “suddenly vanished” in the mail.
:lol:
I surprised he didn't say, it's vanished "but that's why you need to do your own research". Seems to be the trigger phrase.
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johnuknow wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:45 pm All this discussion is for nothing. People are behaving like this election could go either way. This is purely based on some people expecting lightning to strike twice. Biden is 1/2 and he should be closer to 1/9. I forecast he could probably lose pensylvania and florida and still find a path to 270.

Trump is toast!!
With all the awfulness of 2020, no-one can muster this sort of optimism.
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CrazyIslander wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:15 pm
I remember on the first season of The Apprentice, Trump and the group went and met the New York Yankee's owner. The owner told everybody "that man is a winner" meaning Trump. Trump just stood there with a big smirk on his face. I thought WTF, why did we need to be told that? The whole premise of the show was that Trump was a very successful businessman who's showing these apprentices (and the audience) how to be a winner in business. Yet, Trump looked like a little boy needing validation. It didn't make sense until the last 4 years where we get a closer look at him.
I think this is what makes Trump the most dangerous man for the US on the international scene. He is - as you rightly point out - a child needing permanent validation. And seeks this from powerful father figures.... as pointed by Bolton. Erdogan, Poutine, Kim Jung Yun or Xi Jiping are these powerful fathers he aspires to get recognition from and one day be member of their club.

As many point out, for his first mandate, he was limited in his actions by his concern about political backlash and reelection. For a second mandate, he will be free to show the fingers to the Americans. The one he hates having to win votes from, standing in the cold.
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CrazyIslander wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:21 pm
TheFrog wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:13 pm FFS They are getting desperate :lol:
The president’s Fox News media ally Tucker Carlson has meanwhile attracted derision after claiming on air that he had “damning” documents about the family of Democratic challenger Joe Biden, whom he accuses of corrupt business dealings overseas, but that he could not broadcast them because they “suddenly vanished” in the mail.
:lol:
I surprised he didn't say, it's vanished "but that's why you need to do your own research". Seems to be the trigger phrase.
It seems they vanished up his arse
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I hope none of the Trump supporters that were deserted in the freezing cold don’t die. That would be a tragic thing! It’s not Trump’s fault that they only organized busses to the event and not back. Why would they think that old people would need to get back to their cars? Fake news making this into an issue. Why don’t they just focus on the great things that Trump did?

Have they already forgotten how be got us through that Covid crisis?!

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TheFrog wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:50 pm
CrazyIslander wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:02 pm It's a glimpse of what the far Right Republicans are really like. It's a mixture of the rich and gun loving evangelicals who adore the rich. The rich uses these evangelicals but really don't like them.
In my opinion the Republican Party of old doesn't exist any longer. Trump put the final nail in the coffin but it is a process that started long ago, and which is not dissimilar to what is happening in Europe.
The parties here due to being large big tent coalitions as opposed to having a driving ideology at its core have always shifted like this. The Democratic Party of today and the Democratic Party of 25 years ago are 2 completely different entities. It's just Trump made the change very sudden. For people that were elected president and so drastically changed the existing order that the elites were gobsmacked it took place leading to lingering issues, probably Andrew Jackson when he became president in 1829 (closest elected politician parallel to Trump I think you could find, although Jackson had some overriding principles that guided him), Abraham Lincoln when he became president in 1861 (who wasn't even on the ballot in half the country, a Civil War then took place).
Traditional conservatives and liberals are far away from the 35% Americans who see in Trump a hero. A far right populist movement exists and only needs the Republican window to gather the funds necessary for election. But they are not Republicans as such. The rich do not massively belong to this movement which is mainly rooted in the lower middle class, less educated population. Those are people who suffer the effect of the economy and have grown to hate the "system" meaning anything that supports the current operation of the country. Trump is their champion because he is different although they fail to recognize that he doesn't give a dumb shite about them. And he tells them so much when he goes on about not losing his base even if he would murder someone on the 5th Avenue, or recently when, on the campaign trail, he told them he would rather not be there with them in the cold and that he was forced to hold this rally because he needed their votes.
Agree with this. These candidates come up time to time that throw up the apple cart and speak to the masses. William Jennings Bryan (basis for the Cowardly Lion in The Wizard of Oz) in 1896 which completely changed the country's political system and both parties' coalitions, making it heavily class-based. Bob La Follette in 1924. Huey Long (basis for the Willie Stark character in All the King's Men) if he wasn't assassinated was planning to run a third-party challenge to FDR from the left in 1936, aided by the popular nationally broadcast radio program of Catholic Father Charles Coughlin, reported to have a listenership of 30 million. Post-World War II, you have George Wallace obviously, Ross Perot, and I would add on Bernie Sanders as well. The Know Nothings would probably also fall in this group.

Notice until 2016 with the exception of Bryan these are all third party runs, which I think exemplifies the problem: the modern Democratic and Republican parties have been made incredibly weak by initially well-meaning reforms to where there's no strong party identity or base of "strongmen" to kick out the Trumps of the world. (Democrats organizing pre-Super Tuesday to "kick out Sanders" and nominate Biden notwithstanding.) Their only purpose is to be a ballot line, and low numbers of primary voters ensure that a very well-energized base will overwhelm the less extreme voters. Prior to Trump, the Republican Party establishment fought with the Tea Party insurrection for 8 years every primary cycle.

The Democrats are starting to experience this as well as they're nominating further left candidates in places that going further left dooms them even more to irrelevance. Biden is a wish-wash of the party agreeing in the end defeating Trump is more important than each wing's personal party goals. But once 2020 is over and Trump is gone, boy, it's going to be a free-for-all just as this past primary cycle for them was and the Republican primary cycles were for 2008, 2012, and 2016.
Trump is their champion because he also has this anger rooted in him. Though born rich, he felt he had to prove himself to his father and to the rich and powerful around him who never welcomed him. He suffered from being reduced all his life for his childish behaviors, his lack of intellect, his profound ignorance and numerous feelings. But hate and revenge have been the engine of his ultimate success, becoming the President of the US.
Graduated #1 at Wharton Business College. Not Ivy League but that's still a very respected private northeastern univesity. Childish behavior sure, but can't do that without intellect. I wouldn't say he's ignorant simply because if you're ignorant, he would've never gotten here to begin with. Either by being successful in business, portrayed as successful in business by the media, or winning the Republican primary and then the election. He had a rooted hatred of politicians due to his father's dealings with New York City politicians. His father was always shunned from respectable society because he was a slumlord, yet the politicians still came and asked him for money. What I think captures perfectly Trump's view of politicians to me is the picture of the Clintons attending his wedding to Melania. When asked why they were there, he said "I gave them money and told them my condition was they had to come to my wedding." That captures a completely anti-politician vibe he has but also is something everyone watching can relate to, because the Clintons are there and can't come up with any other reason why they're around.

He's the epitome to me of fortune favors the bold because New York real estate crashed for everyone, not just him, right when he got in the game. One of his properties he bought at the time of New York City's nadir in the '80s was across the street from a porn movieplex. He then was able to build this cult of personality around himself and his genius. You can say it's because he read his own press clippings too much or whatever. I blame media and entertainment a lot for him. He never becomes president without New York City thinking they are the center of the world and anything that happens in New York should be important nationally. He never becomes president without NBC doing a reality TV show with him the star. He never becomes president without all news media covering him significantly way more than every other Republican in the field in 2016. (He also never becomes president if Obama hadn't embarrassed him at a White House Correspondents Dinner, but I digress.)
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:32 pm
TheFrog wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:50 pm
CrazyIslander wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:02 pm It's a glimpse of what the far Right Republicans are really like. It's a mixture of the rich and gun loving evangelicals who adore the rich. The rich uses these evangelicals but really don't like them.
In my opinion the Republican Party of old doesn't exist any longer. Trump put the final nail in the coffin but it is a process that started long ago, and which is not dissimilar to what is happening in Europe.
The parties here due to being large big tent coalitions as opposed to having a driving ideology at its core have always shifted like this. The Democratic Party of today and the Democratic Party of 25 years ago are 2 completely different entities. It's just Trump made the change very sudden. For people that were elected president and so drastically changed the existing order that the elites were gobsmacked it took place leading to lingering issues, probably Andrew Jackson when he became president in 1829 (closest elected politician parallel to Trump I think you could find, although Jackson had some overriding principles that guided him), Abraham Lincoln when he became president in 1861 (who wasn't even on the ballot in half the country, a Civil War then took place).
Traditional conservatives and liberals are far away from the 35% Americans who see in Trump a hero. A far right populist movement exists and only needs the Republican window to gather the funds necessary for election. But they are not Republicans as such. The rich do not massively belong to this movement which is mainly rooted in the lower middle class, less educated population. Those are people who suffer the effect of the economy and have grown to hate the "system" meaning anything that supports the current operation of the country. Trump is their champion because he is different although they fail to recognize that he doesn't give a dumb shite about them. And he tells them so much when he goes on about not losing his base even if he would murder someone on the 5th Avenue, or recently when, on the campaign trail, he told them he would rather not be there with them in the cold and that he was forced to hold this rally because he needed their votes.
Agree with this. These candidates come up time to time that throw up the apple cart and speak to the masses. William Jennings Bryan (basis for the Cowardly Lion in The Wizard of Oz) in 1896 which completely changed the country's political system and both parties' coalitions, making it heavily class-based. Bob La Follette in 1924. Huey Long (basis for the Willie Stark character in All the King's Men) if he wasn't assassinated was planning to run a third-party challenge to FDR from the left in 1936, aided by the popular nationally broadcast radio program of Catholic Father Charles Coughlin, reported to have a listenership of 30 million. Post-World War II, you have George Wallace obviously, Ross Perot, and I would add on Bernie Sanders as well. The Know Nothings would probably also fall in this group.

Notice until 2016 with the exception of Bryan these are all third party runs, which I think exemplifies the problem: the modern Democratic and Republican parties have been made incredibly weak by initially well-meaning reforms to where there's no strong party identity or base of "strongmen" to kick out the Trumps of the world. (Democrats organizing pre-Super Tuesday to "kick out Sanders" and nominate Biden notwithstanding.) Their only purpose is to be a ballot line, and low numbers of primary voters ensure that a very well-energized base will overwhelm the less extreme voters. Prior to Trump, the Republican Party establishment fought with the Tea Party insurrection for 8 years every primary cycle.

The Democrats are starting to experience this as well as they're nominating further left candidates in places that going further left dooms them even more to irrelevance. Biden is a wish-wash of the party agreeing in the end defeating Trump is more important than each wing's personal party goals. But once 2020 is over and Trump is gone, boy, it's going to be a free-for-all just as this past primary cycle for them was and the Republican primary cycles were for 2008, 2012, and 2016.

Graduated #1 at Wharton Business College. Not Ivy League but that's still a very respected private northeastern univesity. Childish behavior sure, but can't do that without intellect. He's the epitome to me of fortune favors the bold because New York real estate crashed for everyone, not just him, right when he got in the game. One of his properties he bought at the time of New York City's nadir in the '80s was across the street from a porn movieplex. He then was able to build this cult of personality around himself and his genius. You can say it's because he read his own press clippings too much or whatever. I blame media and entertainment a lot for him. He never becomes president without New York City thinking they are the center of the world. He never becomes president without NBC doing a reality TV show with him the star. (He also never becomes president if Obama hadn't embarrassed him at a White House Correspondents Dinner, but I digress.)
I do like your posts on this thread.
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:32 pm Graduated #1 at Wharton Business College. Childish behavior sure, but can't do that without intellect.
Absolute horseshit. Trump is as thick as a whale omelette.

This kind of rubbish is only peddled by fawning Trumpanzees.
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Santa wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:35 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:32 pm
TheFrog wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:50 pm
CrazyIslander wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:02 pm It's a glimpse of what the far Right Republicans are really like. It's a mixture of the rich and gun loving evangelicals who adore the rich. The rich uses these evangelicals but really don't like them.
In my opinion the Republican Party of old doesn't exist any longer. Trump put the final nail in the coffin but it is a process that started long ago, and which is not dissimilar to what is happening in Europe.
The parties here due to being large big tent coalitions as opposed to having a driving ideology at its core have always shifted like this. The Democratic Party of today and the Democratic Party of 25 years ago are 2 completely different entities. It's just Trump made the change very sudden. For people that were elected president and so drastically changed the existing order that the elites were gobsmacked it took place leading to lingering issues, probably Andrew Jackson when he became president in 1829 (closest elected politician parallel to Trump I think you could find, although Jackson had some overriding principles that guided him), Abraham Lincoln when he became president in 1861 (who wasn't even on the ballot in half the country, a Civil War then took place).
Traditional conservatives and liberals are far away from the 35% Americans who see in Trump a hero. A far right populist movement exists and only needs the Republican window to gather the funds necessary for election. But they are not Republicans as such. The rich do not massively belong to this movement which is mainly rooted in the lower middle class, less educated population. Those are people who suffer the effect of the economy and have grown to hate the "system" meaning anything that supports the current operation of the country. Trump is their champion because he is different although they fail to recognize that he doesn't give a dumb shite about them. And he tells them so much when he goes on about not losing his base even if he would murder someone on the 5th Avenue, or recently when, on the campaign trail, he told them he would rather not be there with them in the cold and that he was forced to hold this rally because he needed their votes.
Agree with this. These candidates come up time to time that throw up the apple cart and speak to the masses. William Jennings Bryan (basis for the Cowardly Lion in The Wizard of Oz) in 1896 which completely changed the country's political system and both parties' coalitions, making it heavily class-based. Bob La Follette in 1924. Huey Long (basis for the Willie Stark character in All the King's Men) if he wasn't assassinated was planning to run a third-party challenge to FDR from the left in 1936, aided by the popular nationally broadcast radio program of Catholic Father Charles Coughlin, reported to have a listenership of 30 million. Post-World War II, you have George Wallace obviously, Ross Perot, and I would add on Bernie Sanders as well. The Know Nothings would probably also fall in this group.

Notice until 2016 with the exception of Bryan these are all third party runs, which I think exemplifies the problem: the modern Democratic and Republican parties have been made incredibly weak by initially well-meaning reforms to where there's no strong party identity or base of "strongmen" to kick out the Trumps of the world. (Democrats organizing pre-Super Tuesday to "kick out Sanders" and nominate Biden notwithstanding.) Their only purpose is to be a ballot line, and low numbers of primary voters ensure that a very well-energized base will overwhelm the less extreme voters. Prior to Trump, the Republican Party establishment fought with the Tea Party insurrection for 8 years every primary cycle.

The Democrats are starting to experience this as well as they're nominating further left candidates in places that going further left dooms them even more to irrelevance. Biden is a wish-wash of the party agreeing in the end defeating Trump is more important than each wing's personal party goals. But once 2020 is over and Trump is gone, boy, it's going to be a free-for-all just as this past primary cycle for them was and the Republican primary cycles were for 2008, 2012, and 2016.

Graduated #1 at Wharton Business College. Not Ivy League but that's still a very respected private northeastern univesity. Childish behavior sure, but can't do that without intellect. He's the epitome to me of fortune favors the bold because New York real estate crashed for everyone, not just him, right when he got in the game. One of his properties he bought at the time of New York City's nadir in the '80s was across the street from a porn movieplex. He then was able to build this cult of personality around himself and his genius. You can say it's because he read his own press clippings too much or whatever. I blame media and entertainment a lot for him. He never becomes president without New York City thinking they are the center of the world. He never becomes president without NBC doing a reality TV show with him the star. (He also never becomes president if Obama hadn't embarrassed him at a White House Correspondents Dinner, but I digress.)
I do like your posts on this thread.
Always felt I'm meant for greater things than long posts on this board. :lol:
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Short Man Syndrome wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:45 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:32 pm Graduated #1 at Wharton Business College. Childish behavior sure, but can't do that without intellect.
Absolute horseshit. Trump is as thick as a whale omelette.

This kind of rubbish is only peddled by fawning Trumpanzees.
I've hated Trump since the beginning. I hated Ted Cruz as well but voted for him in the Republican primary in 2016 in an effort to try and stop the Trump nomination from happening, I voted for Gary Johnson in the 2016 general election, I voted for Bill Weld in the Republican primary earlier this year, and will vote Jo Jorgensen for president next Tuesday.

You're welcome to go through my posting history and find anything I posted that disagrees with any of that.
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Do you really think Trump graduated head of his college class?

Like, honestly?

I’ll give you a clue: the stupid cnut can’t even read.
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