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Short Man Syndrome wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:02 pm Do you really think Trump graduated head of his college class?

Like, honestly?

I’ll give you a clue: the stupid cnut can’t even read.


And there you were making a decent point.
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Short Man Syndrome wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:02 pm Do you really think Trump graduated head of his college class?

Like, honestly?

I’ll give you a clue: the stupid cnut can’t even read.
Do you really think a person that will have voted against Trump 4 times when given the opportunity is a Trumpanzee?

I've voted against Trump more times to be president than anyone else on this board. Period. Fact. No one can refute that. :lol:
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Short Man Syndrome wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:45 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:32 pm Graduated #1 at Wharton Business College. Childish behavior sure, but can't do that without intellect.
Absolute horseshit. Trump is as thick as a whale omelette.

This kind of rubbish is only peddled by fawning Trumpanzees.
Didn't Trumps niece record his sister saying Trump paid one of his classmates to take at least one exam for him. Flyin Ryan the non Trump supporter :lol: :lol:
Ahh, the college transcript. Trump famously graduated from Penn’s Wharton School in 1968 — a fact he reminds audiences of over and over again. (Per Penn’s student newspaper, the Daily Pennsylvanian, he publicly name-dropped Wharton 52 times between June 2015 and January 2018.) But despite all his humblebragging about that Wharton degree, Trump has never allowed his academic performance there to be made public.

“This was a major, major thing with Trump — that people might think he’s stupid,” Michael Wolff told me around the time of Siege’s publication earlier this summer. “The focus of that for Trump is the college transcripts, which are apparently terrible. I’ve spoken to friends of Trump from that time, and this was a guy that was obviously not interested in school and possibly never read a book in his life. For everyone that had known him then and years afterward, the assumption was that he had terrible grades, he was a lackluster student at best.”
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:07 pm
Short Man Syndrome wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:02 pm Do you really think Trump graduated head of his college class?

Like, honestly?

I’ll give you a clue: the stupid cnut can’t even read.
Do you really think a person that will have voted against Trump 4 times when given the opportunity is a Trumpanzee?

I've voted against Trump more times to be president than anyone else on this board. Period. Fact. No one can refute that. :lol:
I've voted against Trump 17 times
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:07 pm
Short Man Syndrome wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:02 pm Do you really think Trump graduated head of his college class?

Like, honestly?

I’ll give you a clue: the stupid cnut can’t even read.
Do you really think a person that will have voted against Trump 4 times when given the opportunity is a Trumpanzee?

I've voted against Trump more times to be president than anyone else on this board. Period. Fact. No one can refute that. :lol:
So you are saying that you genuinely believe that Donny ‘super genius stuff’ Trump graduated #1 in his college.

You dull twat.
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:47 pm
Santa wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:35 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:32 pm
TheFrog wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:50 pm
CrazyIslander wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:02 pm It's a glimpse of what the far Right Republicans are really like. It's a mixture of the rich and gun loving evangelicals who adore the rich. The rich uses these evangelicals but really don't like them.
In my opinion the Republican Party of old doesn't exist any longer. Trump put the final nail in the coffin but it is a process that started long ago, and which is not dissimilar to what is happening in Europe.
The parties here due to being large big tent coalitions as opposed to having a driving ideology at its core have always shifted like this. The Democratic Party of today and the Democratic Party of 25 years ago are 2 completely different entities. It's just Trump made the change very sudden. For people that were elected president and so drastically changed the existing order that the elites were gobsmacked it took place leading to lingering issues, probably Andrew Jackson when he became president in 1829 (closest elected politician parallel to Trump I think you could find, although Jackson had some overriding principles that guided him), Abraham Lincoln when he became president in 1861 (who wasn't even on the ballot in half the country, a Civil War then took place).
Traditional conservatives and liberals are far away from the 35% Americans who see in Trump a hero. A far right populist movement exists and only needs the Republican window to gather the funds necessary for election. But they are not Republicans as such. The rich do not massively belong to this movement which is mainly rooted in the lower middle class, less educated population. Those are people who suffer the effect of the economy and have grown to hate the "system" meaning anything that supports the current operation of the country. Trump is their champion because he is different although they fail to recognize that he doesn't give a dumb shite about them. And he tells them so much when he goes on about not losing his base even if he would murder someone on the 5th Avenue, or recently when, on the campaign trail, he told them he would rather not be there with them in the cold and that he was forced to hold this rally because he needed their votes.
Agree with this. These candidates come up time to time that throw up the apple cart and speak to the masses. William Jennings Bryan (basis for the Cowardly Lion in The Wizard of Oz) in 1896 which completely changed the country's political system and both parties' coalitions, making it heavily class-based. Bob La Follette in 1924. Huey Long (basis for the Willie Stark character in All the King's Men) if he wasn't assassinated was planning to run a third-party challenge to FDR from the left in 1936, aided by the popular nationally broadcast radio program of Catholic Father Charles Coughlin, reported to have a listenership of 30 million. Post-World War II, you have George Wallace obviously, Ross Perot, and I would add on Bernie Sanders as well. The Know Nothings would probably also fall in this group.

Notice until 2016 with the exception of Bryan these are all third party runs, which I think exemplifies the problem: the modern Democratic and Republican parties have been made incredibly weak by initially well-meaning reforms to where there's no strong party identity or base of "strongmen" to kick out the Trumps of the world. (Democrats organizing pre-Super Tuesday to "kick out Sanders" and nominate Biden notwithstanding.) Their only purpose is to be a ballot line, and low numbers of primary voters ensure that a very well-energized base will overwhelm the less extreme voters. Prior to Trump, the Republican Party establishment fought with the Tea Party insurrection for 8 years every primary cycle.

The Democrats are starting to experience this as well as they're nominating further left candidates in places that going further left dooms them even more to irrelevance. Biden is a wish-wash of the party agreeing in the end defeating Trump is more important than each wing's personal party goals. But once 2020 is over and Trump is gone, boy, it's going to be a free-for-all just as this past primary cycle for them was and the Republican primary cycles were for 2008, 2012, and 2016.

Graduated #1 at Wharton Business College. Not Ivy League but that's still a very respected private northeastern univesity. Childish behavior sure, but can't do that without intellect. He's the epitome to me of fortune favors the bold because New York real estate crashed for everyone, not just him, right when he got in the game. One of his properties he bought at the time of New York City's nadir in the '80s was across the street from a porn movieplex. He then was able to build this cult of personality around himself and his genius. You can say it's because he read his own press clippings too much or whatever. I blame media and entertainment a lot for him. He never becomes president without New York City thinking they are the center of the world. He never becomes president without NBC doing a reality TV show with him the star. (He also never becomes president if Obama hadn't embarrassed him at a White House Correspondents Dinner, but I digress.)
I do like your posts on this thread.
Always felt I'm meant for greater things than long posts on this board. :lol:
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Seems like this would be an easy thing to verify/refute

(Haven't read the original post in its entirety but Wharton is Penn which is Ivy League)
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I too like Flyin Ryan's insight particularly with respect to the GOP. He is a GOP loyalist, someone Mullet no doubt would agree with.

But Flyin, where does this graduated #1 from Wharton come from? He transferred to Wharton in his junior year (?) and there have always been suspicions around Fred getting him in.
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:32 pm(He also never becomes president if Obama hadn't embarrassed him at a White House Correspondents Dinner, but I digress.)
I remember watching that at the time, and thinking this is going on for uncomfortably too long, and into unnecessary detail. It stopped being funny, and just became a personal attack. On someone who really shouldn't have been worthy of the time out of a President's day to make more than a quick one-liner. It ended up being Trump's first 5-minute campaign ad.
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Girls Scouts cancelled for celebrating ACB's ascension as the the 5th ever woman ever. Unfortunately she's not the right kind of woman, so feminism is clearly more about politics than gender. As if we didn't know. Vote Biden for more. :thumbup:
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puku wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:19 pm I too like Flyin Ryan's insight particularly with respect to the GOP. He is a GOP loyalist, someone Mullet no doubt would agree with.

But Flyin, where does this graduated #1 from Wharton come from? He transferred to Wharton in his junior year (?) and there have always been suspicions around Fred getting him in.
Which makes him no different than every other northeastern elitist's kid in this country's history ever. Remove legacies and the northeastern private school business would wither away and die.
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Re Trump's education, there is an important rumour that he may have rooted Candice Bergen at the time in which case I wouldn't be surprised if he did come first.
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DOB wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:20 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:32 pm(He also never becomes president if Obama hadn't embarrassed him at a White House Correspondents Dinner, but I digress.)
I remember watching that at the time, and thinking this is going on for uncomfortably too long, and into unnecessary detail. It stopped being funny, and just became a personal attack. On someone who really shouldn't have been worthy of the time out of a President's day to make more than a quick one-liner. It ended up being Trump's first 5-minute campaign ad.
They also killed bin Laden later that evening if I recall correctly.
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Wharton neither confirms or refutes Trump's claim. Trump doesn't show his academic transcript. Wharton confirms he graduated from there but are happy to end the association with Trump at that point. Surprising as he's their only alumni to be president.

I say his claim is bullshit.
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:29 pm
DOB wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:20 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:32 pm(He also never becomes president if Obama hadn't embarrassed him at a White House Correspondents Dinner, but I digress.)
I remember watching that at the time, and thinking this is going on for uncomfortably too long, and into unnecessary detail. It stopped being funny, and just became a personal attack. On someone who really shouldn't have been worthy of the time out of a President's day to make more than a quick one-liner. It ended up being Trump's first 5-minute campaign ad.
They also killed bin Laden later that evening if I recall correctly.
Correspondents dinner was April 30, Bin Laden died at about 1am May 2. Allowing for the timezone difference, SEAL team 6 were probably getting ready to get in the helicopter at the time he was speaking.
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CrazyIslander wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:32 pm Wharton neither confirms or refutes Trump's claim. Trump doesn't show his academic transcript. Wharton confirms he graduated from there but are happy to end the association with Trump at that point. Surprising as he's their only alumni to be president.

I say his claim is bullshit.
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puku wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:19 pm I too like Flyin Ryan's insight particularly with respect to the GOP. He is a GOP loyalist, someone Mullet no doubt would agree with.
I'm not a loyalist. I definitely vote for the Republicans way more than the Democrats whose worldview is just strikingly wrong to me. (That said, I can tolerate Biden. He was my favorite Democrat in the 2008 primaries.) Right now I'm on a large reform platform. The reform is not going to come from the Democrats or the Republicans, so I'm hitching my wagon to the only other party in my state that has ballot access, the Libertarians. We'll see how it goes. I'm writing something pseudo-academic post-2020 election using results to demonstrate the death of the Democratic Party outside of cities and why it should be replaced, then hand it around to every political pundit or person of power in this party I'm joining.

Thesis is this: no Democrat is ever going to get more votes than Biden does due to the state of anti-Trump sentiment, so any county or town or wherever that Biden does not get 40%, how can it be argued that the Democratic Party affiliates in those places are anything other than failures and should disband, replaced for 2nd party status? Because if Biden can't clear 40% in this year, what other Democrat in what circumstance in that place would ever be able to reach 50% plus 1?) Third parties have several problems and hurdles both parties put in place nationally, but locally with how polarized politics are due to the nationalization of politics, there are many places in this country that one of the 2 main parties are zombies with no plan nor hope for getting elected. Where I live right now, the Democratic Party is a complete failure that can't find anyone to run most of the time. So if you want a two-party democracy where the main party is kept honest, you have to vote for a new third party that does not have the baggage in that community of the 2nd rejected main party. The Indiana Governor's race this year is evidence of this. The Democratic nominee is absolutely horrible. Their most left-wing ever after they could not find anyone else to run, been unable to raise money, even in spite of Biden running stronger than Clinton in 2016, it's going to kill the party downballot. He's going to end up with 25-30% of the vote when previously established floor for weak statewide Democrat is 37%. The Libertarian is running the strongest Libertarian campaign with both major parties present ever due to people upset with the Republican incumbent governor and is polling 15%. The Libertarian has more road signs out, TV and radio ads, and the Democrat is never going to go on TV. So I'm going to be doing a mega-data dive into counties in my state where Biden doesn't get 40%, look at historical success of the Democrats there, compare to the Libertarians' vote for governor this year, and I think a case can be made that in those areas, the local Democratic parties should be considered dead and ripe to be replaced for opposition. And I'm staying in-state, but that's true for pretty much every county without a major city from the upper Midwest until you get to the Pacific Coast. No, it's not Chicago, but that's a lot of votes you're talking about right there. Look, if I lived in the northeast or the Pacific Coast, I could write this exact same thesis, just replacing the collective failure of Democratic affiliates with the collective failure of Republican affiliates. The nationalization of politics has made things this way. And the nationalization of politics is not leaving anytime soon.
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Flyin Ryan, what is the Democrat world view that you don't agree with?
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CrazyIslander wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:32 pm Wharton neither confirms or refutes Trump's claim. Trump doesn't show his academic transcript. Wharton confirms he graduated from there but are happy to end the association with Trump at that point. Surprising as he's their only alumni to be president.

I say his claim is bullshit.
Alumnx please.

https://www.thecollegefix.com/universit ... ss-alumnx/
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DOB wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:20 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:32 pm(He also never becomes president if Obama hadn't embarrassed him at a White House Correspondents Dinner, but I digress.)
I remember watching that at the time, and thinking this is going on for uncomfortably too long, and into unnecessary detail. It stopped being funny, and just became a personal attack. On someone who really shouldn't have been worthy of the time out of a President's day to make more than a quick one-liner. It ended up being Trump's first 5-minute campaign ad.
It wasn't his Campaign ad. Trump probably doesn't even talk about it. He wants to be a 2nd World strong man - Obama ripping shreds off him while hundreds laughed like bastards made him look like the joke he is. Trump's profile was built on reality TV and a racist Campaign about Obama's birthplace, which is why Obama shredded him. I don't Think it Went on too long. A minute or two longer and he would have cried.

Imagine Obama in a debate with that blowhard? It would be like watching 30 year old Muhammad Ali vs …. well, 73 year old Donald Trump. I have a fantasy that Obama will step up and be AG to finish the job.
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Short Man Syndrome wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:15 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:07 pm
Short Man Syndrome wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:02 pm Do you really think Trump graduated head of his college class?

Like, honestly?

I’ll give you a clue: the stupid cnut can’t even read.
Do you really think a person that will have voted against Trump 4 times when given the opportunity is a Trumpanzee?

I've voted against Trump more times to be president than anyone else on this board. Period. Fact. No one can refute that. :lol:
So you are saying that you genuinely believe that Donny ‘super genius stuff’ Trump graduated #1 in his college.

You dull twat.
Should be very easy to prove. He received a graduation certificate from Wharton. So.... where's his Award? Obama got Awards. Bezos got Awards. Even Al Gore got Awards.

If Trump got an Award he will be on this list.....


https://dparchives.library.upenn.edu/cg ... xIN-------
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1968 Wharton graduate Jon Hillsberg added that there was no indication on the 1968 Commencement Program that Trump graduated with any honors. A copy of the program acquired from the Penn Archives lists 20 Wharton award and prize recipients, 15 cum laude recipients, four magna cum laude recipients and two summa cum laude recipients for the Class of 1968. Trump’s name appears nowhere on those lists.
“If he had done well, his name would have shown up,” Foxman said.

https://www.thedp.com/article/2017/02/t ... at-wharton
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What kind of retard would think Trump might be a High achiever academically? He would be the dumbest President, by a huge margin, since….. who knows?

He's a reality tv star. He's a bullshit artist - nothing more. Maybe soon he'll be a prisoner.
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Appointing Barry as AG would be glorious.

Heads would explode.

Could he re-appoint Hillary as Secretary of State?
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towny wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:16 pm What kind of retard would think Trump might be a High achiever academically?
Flyin’ Ryan, apparently.
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BokJock wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:16 pm Appointing Barry as AG would be glorious.

Heads would explode.

Could he re-appoint Hillary as Secretary of State?
I think heads would explode on both sides of town if Hillary gets anything. Obama might be a great AG - definitely better than we’ve seen for ages. He’s a law professor, so there’s that. And he’s just super.
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towny wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:05 pm
DOB wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:20 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:32 pm(He also never becomes president if Obama hadn't embarrassed him at a White House Correspondents Dinner, but I digress.)
I remember watching that at the time, and thinking this is going on for uncomfortably too long, and into unnecessary detail. It stopped being funny, and just became a personal attack. On someone who really shouldn't have been worthy of the time out of a President's day to make more than a quick one-liner. It ended up being Trump's first 5-minute campaign ad.
It wasn't his Campaign ad. Trump probably doesn't even talk about it. He wants to be a 2nd World strong man - Obama ripping shreds off him while hundreds laughed like bastards made him look like the joke he is. Trump's profile was built on reality TV and a racist Campaign about Obama's birthplace, which is why Obama shredded him.
pushed by Hillary Clinton's campaign before Trump, FYI

Since someone is going to state this is likewise Trump bullshit, here's a Snopes article on it, I'm less kind to the campaign than Snopes are at the end because it's a classic Clinton political tactic: push something from an underling, get it out there, plant doubt, then in the end the candidate can take the high road saying "nothing to deal with it". They did this to Sanders in 2016 and the Steele dossier then as well.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hilla ... -movement/

Always found the birtherism thing dumb personally. Where he was born is irrelevant. Since his mother was a U.S. citizen, he was entitled to U.S. citizenship at birth.
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:47 pm
puku wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:19 pm I too like Flyin Ryan's insight particularly with respect to the GOP. He is a GOP loyalist, someone Mullet no doubt would agree with.
I'm not a loyalist. I definitely vote for the Republicans way more than the Democrats whose worldview is just strikingly wrong to me. (That said, I can tolerate Biden. He was my favorite Democrat in the 2008 primaries.) Right now I'm on a large reform platform. The reform is not going to come from the Democrats or the Republicans, so I'm hitching my wagon to the only other party in my state that has ballot access, the Libertarians. We'll see how it goes. I'm writing something pseudo-academic post-2020 election using results to demonstrate the death of the Democratic Party outside of cities and why it should be replaced, then hand it around to every political pundit or person of power in this party I'm joining.

Thesis is this: no Democrat is ever going to get more votes than Biden does due to the state of anti-Trump sentiment, so any county or town or wherever that Biden does not get 40%, how can it be argued that the Democratic Party affiliates in those places are anything other than failures and should disband, replaced for 2nd party status? Because if Biden can't clear 40% in this year, what other Democrat in what circumstance in that place would ever be able to reach 50% plus 1?) Third parties have several problems and hurdles both parties put in place nationally, but locally with how polarized politics are due to the nationalization of politics, there are many places in this country that one of the 2 main parties are zombies with no plan nor hope for getting elected. Where I live right now, the Democratic Party is a complete failure that can't find anyone to run most of the time. So if you want a two-party democracy where the main party is kept honest, you have to vote for a new third party that does not have the baggage in that community of the 2nd rejected main party. The Indiana Governor's race this year is evidence of this. The Democratic nominee is absolutely horrible. Their most left-wing ever after they could not find anyone else to run, been unable to raise money, even in spite of Biden running stronger than Clinton in 2016, it's going to kill the party downballot. He's going to end up with 25-30% of the vote when previously established floor for weak statewide Democrat is 37%. The Libertarian is running the strongest Libertarian campaign with both major parties present ever due to people upset with the Republican incumbent governor and is polling 15%. The Libertarian has more road signs out, TV and radio ads, and the Democrat is never going to go on TV. So I'm going to be doing a mega-data dive into counties in my state where Biden doesn't get 40%, look at historical success of the Democrats there, compare to the Libertarians' vote for governor this year, and I think a case can be made that in those areas, the local Democratic parties should be considered dead and ripe to be replaced for opposition. And I'm staying in-state, but that's true for pretty much every county without a major city from the upper Midwest until you get to the Pacific Coast. No, it's not Chicago, but that's a lot of votes you're talking about right there. Look, if I lived in the northeast or the Pacific Coast, I could write this exact same thesis, just replacing the collective failure of Democratic affiliates with the collective failure of Republican affiliates. The nationalization of politics has made things this way. And the nationalization of politics is not leaving anytime soon.
Smaller parties in the past have ended up joining forces or being subsumed eg Farmer's and Laborer's party with the Democratic party here in MN. Without national success I think a Liberterian Party will not break out. I can see some success at a local level and perhaps that is where you are focused...and good luck to you. But state wide elections ie at the Senatorial level those folks living in the countryside who are Dems have a say just as urban GOPers can have a say. True at the Presidential level too, at least in the States that are competitive.
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TheFrog wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:13 pm FFS They are getting desperate :lol:
The president’s Fox News media ally Tucker Carlson has meanwhile attracted derision after claiming on air that he had “damning” documents about the family of Democratic challenger Joe Biden, whom he accuses of corrupt business dealings overseas, but that he could not broadcast them because they “suddenly vanished” in the mail.
Carlson is an entertainer not a journalist, so one can expect that every now and then the props department fails to come through.

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puku wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:21 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:47 pm
puku wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:19 pm I too like Flyin Ryan's insight particularly with respect to the GOP. He is a GOP loyalist, someone Mullet no doubt would agree with.
I'm not a loyalist. I definitely vote for the Republicans way more than the Democrats whose worldview is just strikingly wrong to me. (That said, I can tolerate Biden. He was my favorite Democrat in the 2008 primaries.) Right now I'm on a large reform platform. The reform is not going to come from the Democrats or the Republicans, so I'm hitching my wagon to the only other party in my state that has ballot access, the Libertarians. We'll see how it goes. I'm writing something pseudo-academic post-2020 election using results to demonstrate the death of the Democratic Party outside of cities and why it should be replaced, then hand it around to every political pundit or person of power in this party I'm joining.

Thesis is this: no Democrat is ever going to get more votes than Biden does due to the state of anti-Trump sentiment, so any county or town or wherever that Biden does not get 40%, how can it be argued that the Democratic Party affiliates in those places are anything other than failures and should disband, replaced for 2nd party status? Because if Biden can't clear 40% in this year, what other Democrat in what circumstance in that place would ever be able to reach 50% plus 1?) Third parties have several problems and hurdles both parties put in place nationally, but locally with how polarized politics are due to the nationalization of politics, there are many places in this country that one of the 2 main parties are zombies with no plan nor hope for getting elected. Where I live right now, the Democratic Party is a complete failure that can't find anyone to run most of the time. So if you want a two-party democracy where the main party is kept honest, you have to vote for a new third party that does not have the baggage in that community of the 2nd rejected main party. The Indiana Governor's race this year is evidence of this. The Democratic nominee is absolutely horrible. Their most left-wing ever after they could not find anyone else to run, been unable to raise money, even in spite of Biden running stronger than Clinton in 2016, it's going to kill the party downballot. He's going to end up with 25-30% of the vote when previously established floor for weak statewide Democrat is 37%. The Libertarian is running the strongest Libertarian campaign with both major parties present ever due to people upset with the Republican incumbent governor and is polling 15%. The Libertarian has more road signs out, TV and radio ads, and the Democrat is never going to go on TV. So I'm going to be doing a mega-data dive into counties in my state where Biden doesn't get 40%, look at historical success of the Democrats there, compare to the Libertarians' vote for governor this year, and I think a case can be made that in those areas, the local Democratic parties should be considered dead and ripe to be replaced for opposition. And I'm staying in-state, but that's true for pretty much every county without a major city from the upper Midwest until you get to the Pacific Coast. No, it's not Chicago, but that's a lot of votes you're talking about right there. Look, if I lived in the northeast or the Pacific Coast, I could write this exact same thesis, just replacing the collective failure of Democratic affiliates with the collective failure of Republican affiliates. The nationalization of politics has made things this way. And the nationalization of politics is not leaving anytime soon.
Smaller parties in the past have ended up joining forces or being subsumed eg Farmer's and Laborer's party with the Democratic party here in MN. Without national success I think a Liberterian Party will not break out. I can see some success at a local level and perhaps that is where you are focused...and good luck to you. But state wide elections ie at the Senatorial level those folks living in the countryside who are Dems have a say just as urban GOPers can have a say. True at the Presidential level too, at least in the States that are competitive.
Democrats in my state have not won a statewide race since 2012. 2014 they lost 3 constitutional officers. 2016 they lost president, governor, Senator, and 2 constitutional officers. 2018 they lost Senator and 3 constitutional officers. 2020 they're going to lose president, governor, and 1 constitutional officer. That's a streak of 0-for-15. They've not had a contested primary for governor or Senator since 2008. The state legislature the Republicans have supermajorities. The county I used to live in which Democrats absolutely should have been a bigger deal they were a joke that could hold the Mayor, a few city council seats, 1 state representative, and that was it. In 2019 where we were in the middle of the Trump rejection, Republicans ended municipal elections holding their most town halls in the state ever when we've always been a historically strong Republican state going back to the Civil War. The state Democratic Party chairman who is so useless he lost a Democratic Party state legislature primary for an open seat earlier this year 80 to 18, kept talking about the race and gender people were born as wrapping up the night to the state's version of Politico. You had to get to sentence 4 before he didn't mention someone's identity.

Democrats in my state really started dying in 2010 when Evan Bayh unexpectedly retired from the Senate. Bayh - a political legacy - was supposedly going to be Hillary Clinton's VP nominee in 2008 but Obama winning foiled that. He retired day after filing ended allowing the state central committee to pick the nominee instead of there being a primary that voters could decide who it was. They had to grab an incumbent Congressman to run for Senate, an incumbent state legislator to then run for that Congress seat, and someone else to replace him. Come Election Day, the Democrats lost that Senate seat, that Congress seat, and that state legislature seat. There are some attempts by some people to pull things the right direction but the entrenched parts have for some reason zero interest. The two Democratic Congressmen we have, one in Indianapolis and one in Lake County up by Chicago, couldn't lift a finger to help their own party's candidates running for things like Senator in 2018, but when Barack Obama spoke in Chicago, they made effing sure they were in the background for that shot. Obama ran them like a top-down party and that's what they are. Their issue in Indiana is there's no top and locally they've died. Not a single person filed to run for election in my current county as a Democrat, so every single race county level there's one person on the ballot: the Republican that will get 100%. We have 92 counties in my state and for county offices, I think Republicans hold most all of the countywide elected offices somewhere in the 60s.

And the thing is: we're not even the worst. I was reading an article about a couple Libertarians that had a chance of winning state legislature seats in Wyoming. I looked it up and the Republicans have a 27-3 edge in the State Senate there.
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puku wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:25 pm
TheFrog wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:13 pm FFS They are getting desperate :lol:
The president’s Fox News media ally Tucker Carlson has meanwhile attracted derision after claiming on air that he had “damning” documents about the family of Democratic challenger Joe Biden, whom he accuses of corrupt business dealings overseas, but that he could not broadcast them because they “suddenly vanished” in the mail.
Carlson is an entertainer not a journalist, so one can expect that every now and then the props department fails to come through.

SOTN will be dissapoint
Carlson is the real danger for 2024. He is smart. Smarter than Trump.
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:20 pm
towny wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:05 pm
DOB wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:20 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:32 pm(He also never becomes president if Obama hadn't embarrassed him at a White House Correspondents Dinner, but I digress.)
I remember watching that at the time, and thinking this is going on for uncomfortably too long, and into unnecessary detail. It stopped being funny, and just became a personal attack. On someone who really shouldn't have been worthy of the time out of a President's day to make more than a quick one-liner. It ended up being Trump's first 5-minute campaign ad.
It wasn't his Campaign ad. Trump probably doesn't even talk about it. He wants to be a 2nd World strong man - Obama ripping shreds off him while hundreds laughed like bastards made him look like the joke he is. Trump's profile was built on reality TV and a racist Campaign about Obama's birthplace, which is why Obama shredded him.
pushed by Hillary Clinton's campaign before Trump, FYI

Since someone is going to state this is likewise Trump bullshit, here's a Snopes article on it, I'm less kind to the campaign than Snopes are at the end because it's a classic Clinton political tactic: push something from an underling, get it out there, plant doubt, then in the end the candidate can take the high road saying "nothing to deal with it". They did this to Sanders in 2016 and the Steele dossier then as well.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hilla ... -movement/

Always found the birtherism thing dumb personally. Where he was born is irrelevant. Since his mother was a U.S. citizen, he was entitled to U.S. citizenship at birth.
The monk you posted says the claim you made is false. Well done.
Btw, the birther movement wasn’t out to prove anything. It was a racist dog whistle to undermine a man’s legitimacy - that is, give racist pierces of shit an excuse to say out loud that the black man shouldn’t be president. The GOP tried to do the same to Harris recently.
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towny wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:05 pm
DOB wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:20 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:32 pm(He also never becomes president if Obama hadn't embarrassed him at a White House Correspondents Dinner, but I digress.)
I remember watching that at the time, and thinking this is going on for uncomfortably too long, and into unnecessary detail. It stopped being funny, and just became a personal attack. On someone who really shouldn't have been worthy of the time out of a President's day to make more than a quick one-liner. It ended up being Trump's first 5-minute campaign ad.
It wasn't his Campaign ad. Trump probably doesn't even talk about it. He wants to be a 2nd World strong man - Obama ripping shreds off him while hundreds laughed like bastards made him look like the joke he is. Trump's profile was built on reality TV and a racist Campaign about Obama's birthplace, which is why Obama shredded him. I don't Think it Went on too long. A minute or two longer and he would have cried.

Imagine Obama in a debate with that blowhard? It would be like watching 30 year old Muhammad Ali vs …. well, 73 year old Donald Trump. I have a fantasy that Obama will step up and be AG to finish the job.
It wasn't an official campaign ad. But it was 5 minutes of the most powerful man in the world, talking to him and only him, which is publicity that a NY real estate shyster with a penchant for conspiracy theories, really did not deserve. And you can bet that all of the American voters who hated Obama (and there were a lot of those) liked Trump a lot more after those 5 minutes. Hand out some red hats, descend a gold escalator, and you've got a presidential run.

If Obama ever gets a chance to speak, uninterrupted and honestly, in the same room as Trump, ever again, and there is a camera present, then yes, it couldn't ever go on long enough. I'd have popcorn, and would donate whatever clif bars, bottles of water, cups of coffee, and disposable pee bags Barack would need to keep him talking as long as humanly possible.
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DOB wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:13 pm
towny wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:05 pm
DOB wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:20 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:32 pm(He also never becomes president if Obama hadn't embarrassed him at a White House Correspondents Dinner, but I digress.)
I remember watching that at the time, and thinking this is going on for uncomfortably too long, and into unnecessary detail. It stopped being funny, and just became a personal attack. On someone who really shouldn't have been worthy of the time out of a President's day to make more than a quick one-liner. It ended up being Trump's first 5-minute campaign ad.
It wasn't his Campaign ad. Trump probably doesn't even talk about it. He wants to be a 2nd World strong man - Obama ripping shreds off him while hundreds laughed like bastards made him look like the joke he is. Trump's profile was built on reality TV and a racist Campaign about Obama's birthplace, which is why Obama shredded him. I don't Think it Went on too long. A minute or two longer and he would have cried.

Imagine Obama in a debate with that blowhard? It would be like watching 30 year old Muhammad Ali vs …. well, 73 year old Donald Trump. I have a fantasy that Obama will step up and be AG to finish the job.
It wasn't an official campaign ad. But it was 5 minutes of the most powerful man in the world, talking to him and only him, which is publicity that a NY real estate shyster with a penchant for conspiracy theories, really did not deserve. And you can bet that all of the American voters who hated Obama (and there were a lot of those) liked Trump a lot more after those 5 minutes. Hand out some red hats, descend a gold escalator, and you've got a presidential run.

If Obama ever gets a chance to speak, uninterrupted and honestly, in the same room as Trump, ever again, and there is a camera present, then yes, it couldn't ever go on long enough. I'd have popcorn, and would donate whatever clif bars, bottles of water, cups of coffee, and disposable pee bags Barack would need to keep him talking as long as humanly possible.
Obama is rubbish without a script.
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Mullet 2 wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:27 am It would almost make you lose faith in Fox News
Never. If not for Fox how would we have known about people in New Zealand being thrown into terrifying quarantine camps as part of our covid-19 response?
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Santa wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:49 pm
DOB wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:13 pm
towny wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:05 pm
DOB wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:20 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:32 pm(He also never becomes president if Obama hadn't embarrassed him at a White House Correspondents Dinner, but I digress.)
I remember watching that at the time, and thinking this is going on for uncomfortably too long, and into unnecessary detail. It stopped being funny, and just became a personal attack. On someone who really shouldn't have been worthy of the time out of a President's day to make more than a quick one-liner. It ended up being Trump's first 5-minute campaign ad.
It wasn't his Campaign ad. Trump probably doesn't even talk about it. He wants to be a 2nd World strong man - Obama ripping shreds off him while hundreds laughed like bastards made him look like the joke he is. Trump's profile was built on reality TV and a racist Campaign about Obama's birthplace, which is why Obama shredded him. I don't Think it Went on too long. A minute or two longer and he would have cried.

Imagine Obama in a debate with that blowhard? It would be like watching 30 year old Muhammad Ali vs …. well, 73 year old Donald Trump. I have a fantasy that Obama will step up and be AG to finish the job.
It wasn't an official campaign ad. But it was 5 minutes of the most powerful man in the world, talking to him and only him, which is publicity that a NY real estate shyster with a penchant for conspiracy theories, really did not deserve. And you can bet that all of the American voters who hated Obama (and there were a lot of those) liked Trump a lot more after those 5 minutes. Hand out some red hats, descend a gold escalator, and you've got a presidential run.

If Obama ever gets a chance to speak, uninterrupted and honestly, in the same room as Trump, ever again, and there is a camera present, then yes, it couldn't ever go on long enough. I'd have popcorn, and would donate whatever clif bars, bottles of water, cups of coffee, and disposable pee bags Barack would need to keep him talking as long as humanly possible.
Obama is rubbish without a script.
Trump is rubbish with one
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What did Trump say?
After a conservative law professor questioned Ms Harris' eligibility based on her parents' immigration status at the time of her birth, Mr Trump was asked about the argument at a press conference on Thursday.

The president said: "I just heard it today that she doesn't meet the requirements and by the way the lawyer that wrote that piece is a very highly qualified, very talented lawyer.

"I have no idea if that's right. I would have assumed the Democrats would have checked that out before she gets chosen to run for vice-president.

"But that's a very serious, you're saying that, they're saying that she doesn't qualify because she wasn't born in this country."
:lol: :lol:

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Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:41 pm What did Trump say?
After a conservative law professor questioned Ms Harris' eligibility based on her parents' immigration status at the time of her birth, Mr Trump was asked about the argument at a press conference on Thursday.

The president said: "I just heard it today that she doesn't meet the requirements and by the way the lawyer that wrote that piece is a very highly qualified, very talented lawyer.

"I have no idea if that's right. I would have assumed the Democrats would have checked that out before she gets chosen to run for vice-president.

"But that's a very serious, you're saying that, they're saying that she doesn't qualify because she wasn't born in this country."
:lol: :lol:

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There would be millions of Americans who would believe she wasn't born in the US on hearing that.
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Anonymous 1 wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:41 pm What did Trump say?
After a conservative law professor questioned Ms Harris' eligibility based on her parents' immigration status at the time of her birth, Mr Trump was asked about the argument at a press conference on Thursday.

The president said: "I just heard it today that she doesn't meet the requirements and by the way the lawyer that wrote that piece is a very highly qualified, very talented lawyer.

"I have no idea if that's right. I would have assumed the Democrats would have checked that out before she gets chosen to run for vice-president.

"But that's a very serious, you're saying that, they're saying that she doesn't qualify because she wasn't born in this country."
:lol: :lol:

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Seems to be a pattern linking the people he deems illegitimate
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puku wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:25 pm
TheFrog wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:13 pm FFS They are getting desperate :lol:
The president’s Fox News media ally Tucker Carlson has meanwhile attracted derision after claiming on air that he had “damning” documents about the family of Democratic challenger Joe Biden, whom he accuses of corrupt business dealings overseas, but that he could not broadcast them because they “suddenly vanished” in the mail.
Carlson is an entertainer not a journalist, so one can expect that every now and then the props department fails to come through.

SOTN will be dissapoint
Carlsson had to be labelled an entertainer rather than a serious reporter in order to avoid a couple of law suits, correct? You'd think that would be embarrassing.

When I found out he was an entertainer, I tuned in. I was hoping he might tell a joke or sing a song, but nothing. He did have a line on the King of Queens, but other than that he's a really crap entertainer.
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