fonzeee wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:03 pm
UncleFB wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:30 am
I'm a dumb bitch?
Been called worse ...
Anyway, agree with the bold.
Fonzee: I was regularly sent on the ground pics during the BLM protest from friends in 5 US cities. None of them expressed the fear from the protestors you're saying you had, your experience appears not to be everyone's experience. BLM was a protest movement that likely got out of control at times. Do you really think what happened yesterday was the same? These guys took over your second most prominent govt building filled with most of your pollies.
As an aside it's a wee bit unbelievable that they could get into your govt buildings like that. That mob wouldn't even be able to get into NZ's parliament if they tried that in NZ.
And at any rate, I was commenting on your bleeding hearts comment and the footage
they were getting heated up about in comparison to this. Trying to break through a door into an area with politicians is different from bonking an old man who was in your face a minute ago but walking away. (Which is not to say there weren't times when police needed to use legitimate violent tactics during BLM). Your comment on them not having a real threat of violence is preposterous, especially when contrasted with your claims about the danger of BLM protests. You're straying into Mick, Derwyn, Mighty Reds and Sen territory with that comment.
It may not have been everyone's experience, but it wasn't exactly uncommon. You may not be willing or able to say, but I would simply like to know how close these friends were to the flashpoints of these riots...
My old workplace is on School Street in Downtown Boston and was literally right next door to places that were smashed up. My boss and his wife live in nearby North End and could actually hear the unrest, and most definitely
were frightened. My college friends who still live near my old stomping grounds in Midtown St. Louis near my alma mater SLU also saw looting and rioting firsthand. My hometown (about 10 minutes from Ferguson) flared up again as well. If I got any more specific I would probably doxx myself. So unless I'm somehow unique and this is all a coincidence, which I doubt, this shit was not at all uncommon, even if it wasn't necessarily ubiquitous. I'm glad your friends had somewhere safe to retreat to (hell, I'll admit that I was safe where I live; if I didn't work there and know these people I might have thought everything was okay), but that's just not true for everyone. And FFS we're talking about St. Louis and Boston, nevermind proper flashpoints like Minneapolis, Seattle, Portland, etc. I doubt either of those places even made the national news.
Even if you don't want to believe me, a quick glance at Wiki attributes 19 deaths to these protests. God knows how many injured. Literally billions in property damage; incalculable damage to the community itself. I feel people are getting hung up on the righteousness (or lack thereof) of the underlying message behind each incident of unrest, but that is not what determines the danger at hand.
I say there was no real threat of violence because unlike in the summer where it was everywhere and everyone was fair game, the protestors here targeted a specific place. A heavily fortified place. And if you don't believe that the situation was essentially under control, check out this video
when the lady got shot: not only are there at least half a dozen men armed with automatic weapons standing literally feet away from the victim, but they are actually leaving
the scene to go somewhere else. When the girl is shot, there isn't a crowd of people trying to break through, she'd taken it upon herself like the proverbial drunk chick at the party. About a minute and a half in you see a gaggle of cops milling about beyond the barricade to see what was going on; it wasn't like this guy was the last line of defense. The girl herself was unarmed. The shooting brought not a volley of responding gunfire but a bunch of whiney bitches playing it up as if they were the victims. Everyone has their phone out, as far as they're concerned it's just all one big laugh.
Which follows. I mean, look at the images throughout the day, they have a vibe of revelry. I tend to think security services noted this. People walking around as if they're on a tour, phones out, flags waving, putting their feet up on congressmen's desks, stealing the speaker's podium with a shit-eating grin, etc. I don't mean to say this to defend these cu
nts, I say this to point out that they're just a big bunch of play-acting privileged pussies who never in a million years would have had the balls to pull some proper shit. Even the cop who died basically collapsed in his office after the fact AFAIK.
I'm not saying that these people wouldn't have liked to have perpetrated great violence in their fantasies. But in reality they lacked the ability, due to their own cowardice and the preparedness of the Secret Service and police. So yes, I don't consider them to have posed much of a threat to anything other than our international reputation.
Although, again, that doesn't mean I'd have shed a single tear if they were put down like dogs. And just because that girl didn't necessarily pose a threat of violence doesn't mean that cop didn't respond 100% appropriately.