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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2020 8:11 am 
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the side effects are f**king atrocious, with hallucinations, poor sleep, and absolute hysteric fits at times


...and some people claim that the Don is bluffing when he says he is taking it.

Circumstantial evidence would suggest he has been on it for years.


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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2020 8:11 am 
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Coronavirus: Hydroxychloroquine trial begins in the UK

A trial to see whether two anti-malarial drugs could prevent Covid-19 has begun in Brighton and Oxford.

Chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine or a placebo will be given to more than 40,000 healthcare workers from Europe, Africa, Asia and South America.

All the participants are staff who are in contact with Covid-19 patients.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52737169


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the side effects are f**king atrocious, with hallucinations, poor sleep, and absolute hysteric fits at times


...and some people claim that the Don is bluffing when he says he is taking it.

Circumstantial evidence would suggest he has been on it for years.

Yeah it all makes sense now

On a serious note, it was a nightmarish 3 days. Fortunately there is new malaria drugs with none of those side effects


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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2020 8:37 am 
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Coronavirus: Hydroxychloroquine trial begins in the UK

A trial to see whether two anti-malarial drugs could prevent Covid-19 has begun in Brighton and Oxford.

Chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine or a placebo will be given to more than 40,000 healthcare workers from Europe, Africa, Asia and South America.

All the participants are staff who are in contact with Covid-19 patients.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52737169



Exactly. A proper, clinical trial. Not anecdotal evidence, not "what have you got to lose", not guesswork


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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2020 8:56 am 
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The fact that an idiot who left school at fourteen years old.


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Some people who leave school at 14 keep learning. Some, like BillW, don't.


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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2020 9:09 am 
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Guardian tells left "this is not the droid you are looking for"

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Andrew Cuomo is no hero. He's to blame for New York's coronavirus catastrophe

His record was terrible before coronavirus, but his abysmal handling of the crisis should get him thrown out of office

Some Democrats have discussed him as a possible replacement for Joe Biden, due to Biden’s perceived weakness as a nominee. And there have even been some unfortunate tributes to Cuomo’s alleged sex appeal.

All of which is bizarre, because Cuomo should be one of the most loathed officials in America right now. ProPublica recently released a report outlining catastrophic missteps by Cuomo and the New York City mayor, Bill de Blasio, which probably resulted in many thousands of needless coronavirus cases. ProPublica offers some appalling numbers contrasting what happened in New York with the outbreak in California. By mid-May, New York City alone had almost 20,000 deaths, while in San Francisco there had been only 35, and New York state as a whole suffered 10 times as many deaths as California.


He pushed Co-Vid patients out of hospitals into nursing homes meanwhile the medic ship and temp hospitals stood empty. But he said "orange man bad" so he is a great person


The Guardian doesn't need to tell the left that, the left has never liked Cuomo. He's over on the right of the Democratic Party and has repeatedly broken bread with corporations and the GOP to push a a deal through, making plenty of provisions the left don't like and consider him a sell out for.


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the side effects are f**king atrocious, with hallucinations, poor sleep, and absolute hysteric fits at times


...and some people claim that the Don is bluffing when he says he is taking it.

Circumstantial evidence would suggest he has been on it for years.

Yeah it all makes sense now

On a serious note, it was a nightmarish 3 days. Fortunately there is new malaria drugs with none of those side effects


Many suicides linked to it in the defence force after taking it in East Timor


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The fact that an idiot who left school at fou3rteen years old.

Is a a Trump supporter is not earth shattering


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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2020 9:54 am 
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Coronavirus: Hydroxychloroquine trial begins in the UK

A trial to see whether two anti-malarial drugs could prevent Covid-19 has begun in Brighton and Oxford.

Chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine or a placebo will be given to more than 40,000 healthcare workers from Europe, Africa, Asia and South America.

All the participants are staff who are in contact with Covid-19 patients.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52737169



Exactly. A proper, clinical trial. Not anecdotal evidence, not "what have you got to lose", not guesswork

good to see the don living up to his 'right to try' legislation too. if it's good enough to trial on nhs frontline workers..

best of both worlds.. :thumbup:


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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2020 10:00 am 
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“When you say per capita, there’s many per capitas. It’s like per capita relative to what? But you can look at just about any category and we’re really at the top”


WTF :lol:


I didn't post that one a few hours before because I was sure you'd think I was actually making it up this time...


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Coronavirus: Hydroxychloroquine trial begins in the UK

A trial to see whether two anti-malarial drugs could prevent Covid-19 has begun in Brighton and Oxford.

Chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine or a placebo will be given to more than 40,000 healthcare workers from Europe, Africa, Asia and South America.

All the participants are staff who are in contact with Covid-19 patients.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52737169



Exactly. A proper, clinical trial. Not anecdotal evidence, not "what have you got to lose", not guesswork

good to see the don living up to his 'right to try' legislation too. if it's good enough to trial on nhs frontline workers..

best of both worlds.. :thumbup:


You really haven't read that have you?


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merry! wrote:
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Coronavirus: Hydroxychloroquine trial begins in the UK

A trial to see whether two anti-malarial drugs could prevent Covid-19 has begun in Brighton and Oxford.

Chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine or a placebo will be given to more than 40,000 healthcare workers from Europe, Africa, Asia and South America.

All the participants are staff who are in contact with Covid-19 patients.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52737169



Exactly. A proper, clinical trial. Not anecdotal evidence, not "what have you got to lose", not guesswork

good to see the don living up to his 'right to try' legislation too. if it's good enough to trial on nhs frontline workers..

best of both worlds.. :thumbup:


You really haven't read that have you?

yes, i've read it.


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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2020 10:11 am 
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I have TDS.

Let my tell you, the side effects are f**king atrocious, with hallucinations, poor sleep, and absolute hysteric fits at times

It really is not mild as some here would like you to think

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I have TDS.

Let my tell you, the side effects are f**king atrocious, with hallucinations, poor sleep, and absolute hysteric fits at times

It really is not mild as some here would like you to think

*fixed

Wow, that is some crazy mental gymnastics right there


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Big Nipper wrote:
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I have TDS.

Let my tell you, the side effects are f**king atrocious, with hallucinations, poor sleep, and absolute hysteric fits at times

It really is not mild as some here would like you to think

*fixed

Wow, that is some crazy mental gymnastics right there

*calisthenics.


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I have TDS.

Let my tell you, the side effects are f**king atrocious, with hallucinations, poor sleep, and absolute hysteric fits at times

It really is not mild as some here would like you to think

*fixed

And on to ignore you go, you arsewipe waste of space and oxygen. Have a dreadful life and a dismal death.


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Can one you (non?) Trump supporters please summarise Obamagate for me?

I genuinely can't figure out what Barry has supposedly done, but I have a right wing mate that is convinced that this is a slam dunk that Obama was evil and should go to jail.

He also seems to be very excited by some tapes of Biden that have Joe saying things to the Ukranian president that from everything I can work out was already public knowledge....


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I know that in the age of Trump, political discourse has changed. But WTF is this?

https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1263132098912804866

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Trump is a child with 'doggy doo' on his pants, Pelosi says, doubling down on obesity comments


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I know that in the age of Trump, political discourse has changed. But WTF is this?

https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1263132098912804866

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Trump is a child with 'doggy doo' on his pants, Pelosi says, doubling down on obesity comments


Holy fcuk we're in the rabbit hole now.


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I haven't been able to follow this thread recently, but is BillW seriously equating hydroxychloroquine scepticism to the anti-vaccine movement? That's fairly cake takey. It takes quite some cojones to come out publicly as an idiot in support of the Don. :thumbup:

A balanced individual would see that the rather mild side side effects of a drug that has been freely available for about fifty years do not compare in severity to covid-19.
This is the type of dishonesty that anti-vaxxers use to promote arguments.
It's got nothing to do with Trump.

The fact that an idiot who left school at fourteen years old has to explain this to university graduate, shows how serious the side effects of TDS can be.


Banging your thumb with a hammer doesn't compare in severity to getting AIDS. But that doesn't mean you should just bang your thumb with a hammer for no reason.

Now if there were some evidence that banging your thumb with a hammer prevented AIDS, then sure, bang away. But until then, stop hitting your thumb with a hammer you fucking idiot.


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Oh, by the way, on the subject of open corruption and abuse of power, did we do this yet?

Trump is threatening to block federal funding to Michigan if election officials there do not retreat from measures meant to facilitate mail-in voting. Basically a quid-pro-quo like Ukraine - withholding funds in order to secure a personal benefit. He's clearly learned his lesson.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/20/trump-threatens-federal-funding-for-michigan-mail-in-voting-270609

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President Donald Trump mischaracterized Michigan’s absentee ballot policies on Wednesday while threatening federal funding to the state if election officials there do not retreat from measures meant to facilitate mail-in voting.

The ultimatum from the White House, which Trump tried to downplay later in the day, comes as Michigan, a state crucial to Trump’s reelection chances, combats the fallout from a particularly severe coronavirus outbreak.

“Breaking: Michigan sends absentee ballots to 7.7 million people ahead of Primaries and the General Election,” Trump tweeted. “This was done illegally and without authorization by a rogue Secretary of State. I will ask to hold up funding to Michigan if they want to go down this Voter Fraud path!”

He then followed up with another message mentioning the official Twitter accounts for acting White House budget director Russ Vought, White House chief of staff Mark Meadows and the Treasury Department. Hours later, the president deleted his original tweet and re-sent a similar tweet that said "absentee ballot applications" without noting his original mistake.

The president’s tweets inaccurately described a recent policy change in Michigan, where Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, a Democrat, announced Tuesday that all of the state’s registered voters would be mailed absentee ballot applications for the August down-ballot primaries and November general election — not a ballot directly.

Responding to the president, the secretary tweeted that “I also have a name, it’s Jocelyn Benson,” and noted her office was sending applications “like my GOP colleagues in Iowa, Georgia, Nebraska and West Virginia.”

It is unclear who the president thinks needs to authorize Michigan’s decision; Republicans in Congress for years have resisted efforts to inject federal oversight into state and local elections.

A spokesperson for Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat, did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Trump’s tweet.

In a press briefing at the White House on Wednesday afternoon, press secretary Kayleigh McEnany repeatedly declined to answer questions about what specifically Trump believed was illegal about Michigan’s efforts. Instead she reiterated Trump‘s unfounded claims, saying he was concerned about “a lot of fraud that is potentially at play when you have mass mail-in voting.“

McEnany wouldn’t say what funding Trump was considering withholding, telling reporters that the tweets were merely “meant to alert Secretary Mnuchin and Mr. Vought, head of OMB, about his concerns with trillions of dollars going to these states” given his concerns about mail-in voting.

“This is a concern, the president’s right to look at this, we want a free and fair election and that’s his concern,” she said.

Moments after the briefing, during a meeting with the governors of Arkansas and Kansas, Trump appeared to slightly walk back his threat to Michigan.

Asked by reporters which funding he wanted to freeze, Trump said only that he had “very specific funding in mind“ and pledged to keep the media apprised of whether a hold on funding would ultimately be necessary.

“I don’t think it‘s going to be necessary,“ he added.

McEnany also sidestepped questions about why the president was singling out only certain states, charging that because they pertained to ballots, the issue fell under the purview of Trump’s reelection campaign rather than the White House.


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People need reminding that it was front line medical personell who first touted Hydrochloroquine in this pandemic, not Trump.

He just made sure that America had adequate supplies and defended the right of frontline medical staff to take it as a prophylactic.

This was enough to enrage the fake news channels and trigger the TDS echo chambers and so began one of the more bizarre episodes of this era.

The politicisation of a medical treatment.

If Trump hadn't mentioned it few people outside of the medical profession would know what it was or even care.

Totally weird.

It may well be that TDS is not the cause of this phenomenon but the only other plausible explanation is improbable.

Given the large population of anti-Trumpers it is unlikely that such a big proportion of them could have been dropped on their heads in childhood.


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People need reminding that it was front line medical personell who first touted Hydrochloroquine in this pandemic, not Trump.

He just made sure that America had adequate supplies and defended the right of frontline medical staff to take it as a prophylactic.

This was enough to enrage the fake news channels and trigger the TDS echo chambers and so began one of the more bizarre episodes of this era.

The politicisation of a medical treatment.

If Trump hadn't mentioned it few people outside of the medical profession would know what it was or even care.

Totally weird.

It may well be that TDS is not the cause of this phenomenon but the only other plausible explanation is improbable.

Given the large population of anti-Trumpers it is unlikely that such a large proportion of them could have been dropped on their heads in childhood.

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the side effects are f**king atrocious, with hallucinations, poor sleep, and absolute hysteric fits at times


...and some people claim that the Don is bluffing when he says he is taking it.

Circumstantial evidence would suggest he has been on it for years.

Yeah it all makes sense now

On a serious note, it was a nightmarish 3 days. Fortunately there is new malaria drugs with none of those side effects


Many suicides linked to it in the defence force after taking it in East Timor

You may be mixing up pills, I’m guessing they were taking Mefloquine (Lariam) not Hydrochloroquine.


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Oh, by the way, on the subject of open corruption and abuse of power, did we do this yet?

Trump is threatening to block federal funding to Michigan if election officials there do not retreat from measures meant to facilitate mail-in voting. Basically a quid-pro-quo like Ukraine - withholding funds in order to secure a personal benefit. He's clearly learned his lesson.



It's a new one to me, and it sure reads like a clear cut case of corruption


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Can one you (non?) Trump supporters please summarise Obamagate for me?

I genuinely can't figure out what Barry has supposedly done, but I have a right wing mate that is convinced that this is a slam dunk that Obama was evil and should go to jail.

He also seems to be very excited by some tapes of Biden that have Joe saying things to the Ukranian president that from everything I can work out was already public knowledge....


For decades, secret agent Donald Trump has been locked in an epochal battle of good vs. evil with the notorious criminal mastermind, Joey B. B and his sidekick, the evil genius Saddam Hussein Obama had tried to frame Donald in a sting operation that went wrong, resulting in Donald becoming president. Now the sordid details are coming to light. They illegally tapped the Don's wires, and sicced their lackeys in the intelligence and law enforcement communities onto the Donald's incorruptible security advisor, and soon-to-be head of the FBI, Mike Flynn, using powers presidents don't have, unless they're the Donald, who is now being forced to assume total control of the nation in pursuit of truth, honesty, and the American way.


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Oh, by the way, on the subject of open corruption and abuse of power, did we do this yet?

Trump is threatening to block federal funding to Michigan if election officials there do not retreat from measures meant to facilitate mail-in voting. Basically a quid-pro-quo like Ukraine - withholding funds in order to secure a personal benefit. He's clearly learned his lesson.



It's a new one to me, and it sure reads like a clear cut case of corruption


they all seem to roll into one after a while


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Can one you (non?) Trump supporters please summarise Obamagate for me?

I genuinely can't figure out what Barry has supposedly done, but I have a right wing mate that is convinced that this is a slam dunk that Obama was evil and should go to jail.

He also seems to be very excited by some tapes of Biden that have Joe saying things to the Ukranian president that from everything I can work out was already public knowledge....


For decades, secret agent Donald Trump has been locked in an epochal battle of good vs. evil with the notorious criminal mastermind, Joey B. B and his sidekick, the evil genius Saddam Hussein Obama had tried to frame Donald in a sting operation that went wrong, resulting in Donald becoming president. Now the sordid details are coming to light. They illegally tapped the Don's wires, and sicced their lackeys in the intelligence and law enforcement communities onto the Donald's incorruptible security advisor, and soon-to-be head of the FBI, Mike Flynn, using powers presidents don't have, unless they're the Donald, who is now being forced to assume total control of the nation in pursuit of truth, honesty, and the American way.


all pretty obvious when you spell it out like that


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BokJock wrote:
Can one you (non?) Trump supporters please summarise Obamagate for me?

I genuinely can't figure out what Barry has supposedly done, but I have a right wing mate that is convinced that this is a slam dunk that Obama was evil and should go to jail.

He also seems to be very excited by some tapes of Biden that have Joe saying things to the Ukranian president that from everything I can work out was already public knowledge....


For decades, secret agent Donald Trump has been locked in an epochal battle of good vs. evil with the notorious criminal mastermind, Joey B. B and his sidekick, the evil genius Saddam Hussein Obama had tried to frame Donald in a sting operation that went wrong, resulting in Donald becoming president. Now the sordid details are coming to light. They illegally tapped the Don's wires, and sicced their lackeys in the intelligence and law enforcement communities onto the Donald's incorruptible security advisor, and soon-to-be head of the FBI, Mike Flynn, using powers presidents don't have, unless they're the Donald, who is now being forced to assume total control of the nation in pursuit of truth, honesty, and the American way.


Obama has been caught in possession of a presidency whilst being black.


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BokJock wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
BokJock wrote:
Can one you (non?) Trump supporters please summarise Obamagate for me?

I genuinely can't figure out what Barry has supposedly done, but I have a right wing mate that is convinced that this is a slam dunk that Obama was evil and should go to jail.

He also seems to be very excited by some tapes of Biden that have Joe saying things to the Ukranian president that from everything I can work out was already public knowledge....


For decades, secret agent Donald Trump has been locked in an epochal battle of good vs. evil with the notorious criminal mastermind, Joey B. B and his sidekick, the evil genius Saddam Hussein Obama had tried to frame Donald in a sting operation that went wrong, resulting in Donald becoming president. Now the sordid details are coming to light. They illegally tapped the Don's wires, and sicced their lackeys in the intelligence and law enforcement communities onto the Donald's incorruptible security advisor, and soon-to-be head of the FBI, Mike Flynn, using powers presidents don't have, unless they're the Donald, who is now being forced to assume total control of the nation in pursuit of truth, honesty, and the American way.


all pretty obvious when you spell it out like that


Oh, I thought it was the fact that Obama told all concerned when he heard about the Flynn calls that everything must be done above board.
As this was a totally alien concept to Trump he assumed it was some sort of euphemism for doing something illegal. Totally unlike the Don, who is a winner in all per capita discussions.


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Oh, by the way, on the subject of open corruption and abuse of power, did we do this yet?

Trump is threatening to block federal funding to Michigan if election officials there do not retreat from measures meant to facilitate mail-in voting. Basically a quid-pro-quo like Ukraine - withholding funds in order to secure a personal benefit. He's clearly learned his lesson.



It's a new one to me, and it sure reads like a clear cut case of corruption


they all seem to roll into one after a while

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WHO report on the cardiotoxicity of antimalarials 2016

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1.What is the frequency of sudden death attributable to the cardiotoxicity of different antimalarial medicines?

Halofantrine has been associated with >30 sudden deaths attributed to cardiotoxicity. This is the only antimalarial considered to have an unacceptable risk.

Dihydroartemisinin-piperaquineand artemether-lumefantrine have been the most intensively studied antimalarial drugs. There have been no sudden deaths attributed to cardiotoxicity followingartemether-lumefantrine. One possible sudden cardiac death associated with dihydroartemisinin-piperaquine was reported among~200000 individuals with close follow-up treatedinclinical studies of malaria treatment, prevention, control and elimination. This is consistent with the risk of fatal cardiotoxicity associated with other QT/QTcinterval-prolonging medicinesin current use(see section 3.1.1).

Despite hundreds of millions of doses administered in the treatment of malaria,there have been no reports of sudden unexplained death associated with quinine, chloroquine or amodiaquine, although each drug causes QT/QTcinterval prolongation. Unfortunately, there are relatively few prospective studies of the electrocardiographic effects of these drugs.Intravenous chloroquine,quinine and quinidine may cause lethal hypotension if administered too rapidly. Large doses (>3.5mg base/kg) of intramuscular or subcutaneous chloroquine may also cause hypotension.


Having taken it when overlanding through Africa many years ago I dont recall me or any others taking it having any side effects


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BokJock wrote:
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Oh, by the way, on the subject of open corruption and abuse of power, did we do this yet?

Trump is threatening to block federal funding to Michigan if election officials there do not retreat from measures meant to facilitate mail-in voting. Basically a quid-pro-quo like Ukraine - withholding funds in order to secure a personal benefit. He's clearly learned his lesson.



It's a new one to me, and it sure reads like a clear cut case of corruption


they all seem to roll into one after a while



It is odd he virtually makes a self-defence out of shitting the bed so often people do lose track. I would have thought it would doom him to miserable defeat, and yet...


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Oh, by the way, on the subject of open corruption and abuse of power, did we do this yet?

Trump is threatening to block federal funding to Michigan if election officials there do not retreat from measures meant to facilitate mail-in voting. Basically a quid-pro-quo like Ukraine - withholding funds in order to secure a personal benefit. He's clearly learned his lesson.



It's a new one to me, and it sure reads like a clear cut case of corruption


they all seem to roll into one after a while



It is odd he virtually makes a self-defence out of shitting the bed so often people do lose track. I would have thought it would doom him to miserable defeat, and yet...


You lose track of what's a nothingburger and what's genuinely serious, so it all ends up blending into a miserable mess with an assumption that none of it matters. if there were issues then he would paradoxically be in a lot more trouble, because the focus would stick


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piquant wrote:
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piquant wrote:
4071 wrote:
Oh, by the way, on the subject of open corruption and abuse of power, did we do this yet?

Trump is threatening to block federal funding to Michigan if election officials there do not retreat from measures meant to facilitate mail-in voting. Basically a quid-pro-quo like Ukraine - withholding funds in order to secure a personal benefit. He's clearly learned his lesson.



It's a new one to me, and it sure reads like a clear cut case of corruption


they all seem to roll into one after a while



It is odd he virtually makes a self-defence out of shitting the bed so often people do lose track. I would have thought it would doom him to miserable defeat, and yet...


You lose track of what's a nothingburger and what's genuinely serious, so it all ends up blending into a miserable mess with an assumption that none of it matters. if there were issues then he would paradoxically be in a lot more trouble, because the focus would stick


Which I suppose might result in him being the first candidate to release a video of him and/or some Russian prostitutes pissing on a bed to distract from other worse actions during a campaign. And that would be preferable to starting a war


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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2020 3:44 pm 
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Didn’t Mitt say that “When everything is an outrage, nothing is an outrage”?


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WHO report on the cardiotoxicity of antimalarials 2016

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1.What is the frequency of sudden death attributable to the cardiotoxicity of different antimalarial medicines?

Halofantrine has been associated with >30 sudden deaths attributed to cardiotoxicity. This is the only antimalarial considered to have an unacceptable risk.

Dihydroartemisinin-piperaquineand artemether-lumefantrine have been the most intensively studied antimalarial drugs. There have been no sudden deaths attributed to cardiotoxicity followingartemether-lumefantrine. One possible sudden cardiac death associated with dihydroartemisinin-piperaquine was reported among~200000 individuals with close follow-up treatedinclinical studies of malaria treatment, prevention, control and elimination. This is consistent with the risk of fatal cardiotoxicity associated with other QT/QTcinterval-prolonging medicinesin current use(see section 3.1.1).

Despite hundreds of millions of doses administered in the treatment of malaria,there have been no reports of sudden unexplained death associated with quinine, chloroquine or amodiaquine, although each drug causes QT/QTcinterval prolongation. Unfortunately, there are relatively few prospective studies of the electrocardiographic effects of these drugs.Intravenous chloroquine,quinine and quinidine may cause lethal hypotension if administered too rapidly. Large doses (>3.5mg base/kg) of intramuscular or subcutaneous chloroquine may also cause hypotension.


Having taken it when overlanding through Africa many years ago I dont recall me or any others taking it having any side effects


Maloprim used to loosen my stomach and givee a small headache for a few hours. Or, it could have been the extra beer....


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Didn’t Mitt say that “When everything is an outrage, nothing is an outrage”?


Something like that, I have in mind he meant it along the lines of cool it, you still need to work with us no matter your thoughts on how helpful we were with Obama in place. And he's right, they they're to do a job not be the party of 'no'


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Can one you (non?) Trump supporters please summarise Obamagate for me?

I genuinely can't figure out what Barry has supposedly done, but I have a right wing mate that is convinced that this is a slam dunk that Obama was evil and should go to jail.

He also seems to be very excited by some tapes of Biden that have Joe saying things to the Ukranian president that from everything I can work out was already public knowledge....


For decades, secret agent Donald Trump has been locked in an epochal battle of good vs. evil with the notorious criminal mastermind, Joey B. B and his sidekick, the evil genius Saddam Hussein Obama had tried to frame Donald in a sting operation that went wrong, resulting in Donald becoming president. Now the sordid details are coming to light. They illegally tapped the Don's wires, and sicced their lackeys in the intelligence and law enforcement communities onto the Donald's incorruptible security advisor, and soon-to-be head of the FBI, Mike Flynn, using powers presidents don't have, unless they're the Donald, who is now being forced to assume total control of the nation in pursuit of truth, honesty, and the American way.


Obamagate is the gate into pizzagate..
ps I'd be happy if anyone (orange shitgibbon supporter or not) could explain it


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piquant wrote:
BokJock wrote:
piquant wrote:
4071 wrote:
Oh, by the way, on the subject of open corruption and abuse of power, did we do this yet?

Trump is threatening to block federal funding to Michigan if election officials there do not retreat from measures meant to facilitate mail-in voting. Basically a quid-pro-quo like Ukraine - withholding funds in order to secure a personal benefit. He's clearly learned his lesson.



It's a new one to me, and it sure reads like a clear cut case of corruption


they all seem to roll into one after a while



It is odd he virtually makes a self-defence out of shitting the bed so often people do lose track. I would have thought it would doom him to miserable defeat, and yet...


in his defence he was being sarcastic


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