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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:40 pm
Nice assumption.
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I do not condone paedo-enablers.
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So Trump's weak leadership and overt racism has caused race riots, and that's somehow the Joe Biden's fault?Cabbage wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:29 am Its over. The Dems have blown it, again. Bidens lead was when Covid dominated the news but this endless looting and rioting has seen Trump close the gap, even Minnesota is now in play FFS. Nixon won 49 states on 'law and order' - Trump can't believe his luck with the dems embrace of the protests and the "defund the police" insanity. This will be worse than 2016, Biden will be trounced.
You think Covid has just gone away?Cabbage wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:29 am Its over. The Dems have blown it, again. Bidens lead was when Covid dominated the news but this endless looting and rioting has seen Trump close the gap, even Minnesota is now in play FFS. Nixon won 49 states on 'law and order' - Trump can't believe his luck with the dems embrace of the protests and the "defund the police" insanity. This will be worse than 2016, Biden will be trounced.
So you are implying the tories cheated.
No. Labour might have cheated. I demand a 160 seat majority.
No taxation without representation, and all us citizens (human & corporate) must pay taxes to USA irrespective of domicility.piquant wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 9:19 amI have no idea, because in practice Trump is objecting to and approving of the exact same system, and given he strongly doesn't agree with himself there's no logical point of entry to debate the issue he's setting out.CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:13 am How do you explain trying to stop mail in voting in Nevada but encouraging it in Florida?
There seems to be a couple of big problems with mailed in voting, and neither relate to fraud which so far just isn't showing up as a thing beyond conspiracy theories, there's the problem of getting ballots out to people and having them returned and counted, basically not disenfranchising the voters whether intentionally or not, and then there's the problem of election day, voters are used to knowing by the early hours following polling stations closing who the winner is, but if one side wins the balance of votes in polling stations only to lose by some smallish margin 10 days later once the postal ballots are tallied there's a chance of rancour from the moment someone declares a win based on the interim numbers known on election day. There's almost certainly going to be rancour and threats between the Dems and the GOP, but having a result tip the other way in such a divisive time is new ground, luckily Trump is bound to be responsible leading up to and after the event
Meh. If you'd linked to an article saying this highlights problems of corruption in non profits that would be one thing, linking to an article saying Bannon and his build the wall cohorts might be corrupt but they're not the only ones is another.
Tories govt organised the poll, so they rigged it.Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:27 pmNo. Labour might have cheated. I demand a 160 seat majority.
Keep this one before it is editedLeinster in London wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:49 pmTories govt organised the poll, so they rigged it.Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:27 pmNo. Labour might have cheated. I demand a 160 seat majority.
I just watched Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti on this - incidentally their show is the best US political punditry around. Their view echoes the article; everyone in Washington does it, it's not necessaily illegal depending on stuff, and Bannon's mistake is not being transparent. Still he should have seen this coming, it is clearly a hit job by the most politicised law enforcement department in the US, so if he goes down that's just tough shit. He has been stupid. I can't say that I care all that much.piquant wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:32 pmMeh. If you'd linked to an article saying this highlights problems of corruption in non profits that would be one thing, linking to an article saying Bannon and his build the wall cohorts might be corrupt but they're not the only ones is another.
And there's no way they didn't know what they were doing was and is a problem, you don't shovel payments through so many shell companies because they meet the required standards of diligence. This doesn't suggest anyone needs to be in jail for 20 years, but that some money needs to be paid back, that this non profit should be closed, and that some of the officers involved be barred from holding similar positions in future, similar actually to the corrupt practices we saw and that led to the winding up of Trump's charity.
But why? Biden is about where the Tories are, politically. The Democrats are a center right party.Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:29 pmThe alternative to Trump is unpalatable to me.6.Jones wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:25 pmAs a conservative, don;t you struggle to support Trump? Apart from tax breaks for the rich, gun control and abortion, he's run roughshod over conservative principles.Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:20 pmI am a Conservative. I have not always been so.Norman Harvey wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:37 pmAs I understand it you are a supporter of Boris Johnson and believe his government are doing a good job. Is that correct ?Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 4:21 pm the Democrats are insane.But the US is not my country, and if people are sufficiently retarded to vote them in, so be it.
The alternatives at the last GE were pathetic - either Momentum Labour, or pro EU-arsewipe LD's. The alternatives are still pathetic.
You don't know what you're talking about.6.Jones wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:04 pmBut why? Biden is about where the Tories are, politically. The Democrats are a center right party.Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:29 pmThe alternative to Trump is unpalatable to me.6.Jones wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:25 pmAs a conservative, don;t you struggle to support Trump? Apart from tax breaks for the rich, gun control and abortion, he's run roughshod over conservative principles.Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:20 pmI am a Conservative. I have not always been so.Norman Harvey wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:37 pm
As I understand it you are a supporter of Boris Johnson and believe his government are doing a good job. Is that correct ?
The alternatives at the last GE were pathetic - either Momentum Labour, or pro EU-arsewipe LD's. The alternatives are still pathetic.
They're not far left at all. They call themselves Socialists but in Europe they'd be mildly center left. Gun control, universal healthcare, progressive taxation: these are accepted mainstream principles everywhere else but America. The green new deal is approximately what Britain is doing under the Tories.themalteser wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:49 pm Serious question; how are the Democrats insane? Sure, there's a wing to the party which is pretty far left, but the bulk of the party (and likely Biden's policy position) is mildly centre-left.
I'm sure that's what you think. Seneca would say that the goalposts have moved, and we should be acutely aware of it.Santa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:07 pmYou don't know what you're talking about.6.Jones wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:04 pmBut why? Biden is about where the Tories are, politically. The Democrats are a center right party.Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:29 pmThe alternative to Trump is unpalatable to me.6.Jones wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:25 pmAs a conservative, don;t you struggle to support Trump? Apart from tax breaks for the rich, gun control and abortion, he's run roughshod over conservative principles.Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:20 pm
I am a Conservative. I have not always been so.
The alternatives at the last GE were pathetic - either Momentum Labour, or pro EU-arsewipe LD's. The alternatives are still pathetic.
Yeah, just like calling Trump a fascist.CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:19 pm It's not even about policies, it's just smear campaigns. McCarthysim type politics. Just call the Dems communists and you're guaranteed votes from a certain sections.
No one is even looking at the policies, it's the label that matters to some - Marxist, Communist, Deep State etc.
Whew - that's best dystopian fantasy I've read for ages!Santa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:14 pm This is where the Democrats are heading.
https://quillette.com/2020/08/16/the-ch ... f-marxism/
You're right he is a facist and I the Dems are socialist or communists if you like. My point was, there's a certain stigma with the label socialist/communists because it's linked to totalitarian regimes of USSR/China and also by McCarthy's witch hunt. No one is actually looking at the policies which is socialist/communist but within a democratic government.Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:24 pmYeah, just like calling Trump a fascist.CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:19 pm It's not even about policies, it's just smear campaigns. McCarthysim type politics. Just call the Dems communists and you're guaranteed votes from a certain sections.
No one is even looking at the policies, it's the label that matters to some - Marxist, Communist, Deep State etc.
I'm not the only one, in fact many Republicans call him a fascist.Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:48 pm You can call Trump a fascist if you have never read a book.
They are wrong as well thenCrazyIslander wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:54 pmI'm not the only one, in fact many Republicans call him a fascist.Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:48 pm You can call Trump a fascist if you have never read a book.
Trump's never read a book. Can he call himself a fascist?Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:48 pm You can call Trump a fascist if you have never read a book.
Never read a Book?DOB wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:10 pmTrump's never read a book. Can he call himself a fascist?Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:48 pm You can call Trump a fascist if you have never read a book.
Ted's 100% right and an American hero.Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:48 pm Ted Wheeler is a fuckin' idiot, or a cynical manipulator
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What about his exercise of power? Ignoring the constitution and conventions?6.Jones wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:10 am The real problem with using fascism in conversation is that - like irony - so few people understand it. If only Alanis Morissette had done a song.
At the risk of using dictionaries to explain complex philosophical doctrines, here's what the OED has to say:
Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach.
That's pure Trump. His supporters would agree with that description, and consider it a positive.
It's just a political doctrine, which Trump fits quite closely.
Saying someone's a fascist doesn't mean they're a Nazi, any more than saying someone's a Marxist means they're a communist. People conflate all those words for their own ends, to paint people as representing an opinion they don't, and to prevent people being called what they are. By any reasonable definition, Trump is a fascist. So what? If there hadn't been a Nazi party, there'd probably be fascist parties in the mainstream today. They're not unpopular ideas.
They're part and parcel of fascism:CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:31 amWhat about his exercise of power? Ignoring the constitution and conventions?6.Jones wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:10 am The real problem with using fascism in conversation is that - like irony - so few people understand it. If only Alanis Morissette had done a song.
At the risk of using dictionaries to explain complex philosophical doctrines, here's what the OED has to say:
Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach.
That's pure Trump. His supporters would agree with that description, and consider it a positive.
It's just a political doctrine, which Trump fits quite closely.
Saying someone's a fascist doesn't mean they're a Nazi, any more than saying someone's a Marxist means they're a communist. People conflate all those words for their own ends, to paint people as representing an opinion they don't, and to prevent people being called what they are. By any reasonable definition, Trump is a fascist. So what? If there hadn't been a Nazi party, there'd probably be fascist parties in the mainstream today. They're not unpopular ideas.