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TheFrog wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:31 pm
Santa wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:20 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:14 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:52 pm Only a couple of weeks for Sniffer Biden to develop Cov19 symptoms, or for his handlers to adopt Salon Nancy's strategy.

Otherwise, he is going to have to debate with guy who can stay awake and will not need a teleprompter.

"Come on maaaan, you know...the thing"
In truth, given the limited amount of vocabulary that Trump uses in his speeches, it would be seriously worrying that he needed a teleprompter to remember them....
The Frog you seem a sensible chap. What's your view on the fact the 20-30 phones used by the Mueller Team were wiped of data before the DOJ IG could review them?
Obviously a concern and potentially a serious breach of law. I am sure the prosecutors will not miss an opportunity to ensure they get due retribution for this.

The law has to the same for everybody.

Just as there was no reason for Trump to pardon Stone who also was found guilty of witness tampering and lying to Congress. His conviction stands but the man who promised to drain the swamp shows at least the double standards he accuses his opposition to apply to their own camp.

Lots of hypocrisy on both sides sadly.

Commuted rather than pardoned in Stone's case.

Apparently this was done so that Stone can appeal against his conviction. It will be interesting to see if Stone proceeds down that path or just calls it a day now that he is a free man.

The irony is that as a convicted felon residing in Florida, he is now free to vote thanks to a Democrat initiative and no thanks to DeSantis.
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TheFrog wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:31 pm
Santa wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:20 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:14 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:52 pm Only a couple of weeks for Sniffer Biden to develop Cov19 symptoms, or for his handlers to adopt Salon Nancy's strategy.

Otherwise, he is going to have to debate with guy who can stay awake and will not need a teleprompter.

"Come on maaaan, you know...the thing"
In truth, given the limited amount of vocabulary that Trump uses in his speeches, it would be seriously worrying that he needed a teleprompter to remember them....
The Frog you seem a sensible chap. What's your view on the fact the 20-30 phones used by the Mueller Team were wiped of data before the DOJ IG could review them?
Obviously a concern and potentially a serious breach of law. I am sure the prosecutors will not miss an opportunity to ensure they get due retribution for this.

The law has to the same for everybody.

Just as there was no reason for Trump to pardon Stone who also was found guilty of witness tampering and lying to Congress. His conviction stands but the man who promised to drain the swamp shows at least the double standards he accuses his opposition to apply to their own camp.

Lots of hypocrisy on both sides sadly.
Fair comment. Most on this thread don't see any problem with it. This could be one of the prosecutable offences from the Durham investigation. I don't think there will be many.

You would think that it would be astounding that so much evidence about one of the most consequential and politically fraught investigations in US history was just deleted or that phones were wiped because people accidentally entered their password incorrectly 10 times in a row. In at least one case twice. But apparently not.
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Lock them up?
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TheFrog wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:36 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:22 pm
Santa wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:56 pm https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... -to-combat

Country not engaging in genocide.
The United Nations human rights chief called on Monday for “urgent and profound action to combat systemic racism” in the U.S. during her opening speech for the Human Rights Council in Geneva.

Bachelet said officials would address a resolution passed in June funding a report on systemic racism and discrimination against Black people later in the session.
Country engaging in genocide.
“My Office continues to engage with the Chinese Government on the situation in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region and the impact on human rights of its policies,” she said, according to Reuters.
What's the bet that if Trump gets in the US will exit the UN. :thumbup:
UN Human Rights Council is a long-established joke.
Makes me think about the famous Chruchill quote on democracy
democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time
I guess same applies with all things UN. Is it better to have a forum where all countries exchange and where matters are brought up to the light even if often they are not addressed or resolved, or should we return to the dark ages of unilateralism ?
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/opin ... iling.html
I Love the U.N., but It is Failing

By Anthony Banbury
March 18, 2016

I HAVE worked for the United Nations for most of the last three decades. I was a human rights officer in Haiti in the 1990s and served in the former Yugoslavia during the Srebrenica genocide. I helped lead the response to the Indian Ocean tsunami and the Haitian earthquake, planned the mission to eliminate Syrian chemical weapons, and most recently led the Ebola mission in West Africa. I care deeply for the principles the United Nations is designed to uphold.

And that’s why I have decided to leave.

The world faces a range of terrifying crises, from the threat of climate change to terrorist breeding grounds in places like Syria, Iraq and Somalia. The United Nations is uniquely placed to meet these challenges, and it is doing invaluable work, like protecting civilians and delivering humanitarian aid in South Sudan and elsewhere. But in terms of its overall mission, thanks to colossal mismanagement, the United Nations is failing.

Six years ago, I became an assistant secretary general, posted to the headquarters in New York. I was no stranger to red tape, but I was unprepared for the blur of Orwellian admonitions and Carrollian logic that govern the place. If you locked a team of evil geniuses in a laboratory, they could not design a bureaucracy so maddeningly complex, requiring so much effort but in the end incapable of delivering the intended result. The system is a black hole into which disappear countless tax dollars and human aspirations, never to be seen again.

The first major problem is a sclerotic personnel system. The United Nations needs to be able to attract and quickly deploy the world’s best talent. And yet, it takes on average 213 days to recruit someone. In January, to the horror of many, the Department of Management imposed a new recruitment system that is likely to increase the delay to over a year.

During the Ebola epidemic, I was desperate to get qualified people on the ground, and yet I was told that a staff member working in South Sudan could not travel to our headquarters in Accra, Ghana, until she received a new medical clearance. We were fighting a disease that killed many thousands and risked spinning out of control and yet we spent weeks waiting for a healthy colleague to get her forms processed.

Too often, the only way to speed things up is to break the rules. That’s what I did in Accra when I hired an anthropologist as an independent contractor. She turned out to be worth her weight in gold. Unsafe burial practices were responsible for about half of new Ebola cases in some areas. We had to understand these traditions before we could persuade people to change them. As far as I know, no United Nations mission had ever had an anthropologist on staff before; shortly after I left the mission, she was let go.

The heads of billion-dollar peace operations, with enormous responsibilities for ending wars, are not able to hire their immediate staff, or to reassign non-performers away from critical roles. It is a sign of how perversely twisted the bureaucracy is that personnel decisions are considered more dangerous than the responsibility to lead a mission on which the fate of a country depends.

One result of this dysfunction is minimal accountability. There is today a chief of staff in a large peacekeeping mission who is manifestly incompetent. Many have tried to get rid of him, but short of a serious crime, it is virtually impossible to fire someone in the United Nations. In the past six years, I am not aware of a single international field staff member’s being fired, or even sanctioned, for poor performance.

The second serious problem is that too many decisions are driven by political expediency instead of by the values of the United Nations or the facts on the ground.

Peacekeeping forces often lumber along for years without clear goals or exit plans, crowding out governments, diverting attention from deeper socioeconomic problems and costing billions of dollars. My first peacekeeping mission was in Cambodia in 1992. We left after less than two years. Now it’s a rare exception when a mission lasts fewer than 10.

Look at Haiti: There has been no armed conflict for more than a decade, and yet a United Nations force of more than 4,500 remains. Meanwhile, we are failing at what should be our most important task: assisting in the creation of stable, democratic institutions. Elections have been postponed amid allegations of fraud, and the interim prime minister has said that “the country is facing serious social and economic difficulties.” The military deployment makes no contribution at all to solving these problems.

Our most grievous blunder is in Mali. In early 2013, the United Nations decided to send 10,000 soldiers and police officers to Mali in response to a terrorist takeover of parts of the north. Inexplicably, we sent a force that was unprepared for counterterrorism and explicitly told not to engage in it. More than 80 percent of the force’s resources are spent on logistics and self-protection. Already 56 people in the United Nations contingent have been killed, and more are certain to die. The United Nations in Mali is day by day marching deeper into its first quagmire.

BUT the thing that has upset me most is what the United Nations has done in the Central African Republic. When we took over peacekeeping responsibilities from the African Union there in 2014, we had the choice of which troops to accept. Without appropriate debate, and for cynical political reasons, a decision was made to include soldiers from the Democratic Republic of Congo and from the Republic of Congo, despite reports of serious human rights violations by these soldiers. Since then, troops from these countries have engaged in a persistent pattern of rape and abuse of the people — often young girls — the United Nations was sent there to protect.

Last year, peacekeepers from the Republic of Congo arrested a group of civilians, with no legal basis whatsoever, and beat them so badly that one died in custody and the other shortly after in a hospital. In response there was hardly a murmur, and certainly no outrage, from the responsible officials in New York.

As the abuse cases piled up, impassioned pleas were made to send the troops home. These were ignored, and more cases of child rape came to light. Last month, we finally kicked out the Democratic Republic of Congo soldiers, but the ones from the Republic of Congo remain.

In 1988, my first job with the United Nations was as a human rights officer in Cambodian refugee camps along the Thai-Cambodian border, investigating rapes and murders of the poor and helpless. Never could I have imagined that I would one day have to deal with members of my own organization committing the same crimes or, worse, senior officials tolerating them for reasons of cynical expediency.

I am hardly the first to warn that the United Nations bureaucracy is getting in the way of its peacekeeping efforts. But too often, these criticisms come from people who think the United Nations is doomed to fail. I come at it from a different angle: I believe that for the world’s sake we must make the United Nations succeed.

In the run-up to the election of a new secretary general this year, it is essential that governments, and especially the permanent members of the Security Council, think carefully about what they want out of the United Nations. The organization is a Remington typewriter in a smartphone world. If it is going to advance the causes of peace, human rights, development and the climate, it needs a leader genuinely committed to reform.

The bureaucracy needs to work for the missions; not the other way around. The starting point should be the overhaul of our personnel system. We need an outside panel to examine the system and recommend changes. Second, all administrative expenses should be capped at a fixed percentage of operations costs. Third, decisions on budget allocations should be removed from the Department of Management and placed in the hands of an independent controller reporting to the secretary general. Finally, we need rigorous performance audits of all parts of headquarters operations.

Secretary General Ban Ki-moon is a man of great integrity, and the United Nations is filled with smart, brave and selfless people. Unfortunately, far too many others lack the moral aptitude and professional abilities to serve. We need a United Nations led by people for whom “doing the right thing” is normal and expected.
Here, let's do some simple reforms. What's hard about all these?
Several provisions of the United Nations Charter are no longer relevant. In Larger Freedom proposed the removal of these provisions:

Since there are no longer any trust territories, the Trusteeship Council no longer serves any purpose, and has not met since 1994. Thus, Chapter XIII of the Charter is no longer relevant, and can be deleted.

Due to Cold War disagreements, the Military Staff Committee never succeeded in its intended purpose. Although it formally still meets every two weeks, it has been effectively inactive since 1948. Thus, article 47, and the references to it in articles 26, 45 and 46 can be deleted.

The "enemy clauses" in articles 53 and 107 contain special provisions relating to the members of the Axis in World War II (Germany, Japan, etc.) Some nations consider these to be no longer relevant; Japan in particular would like to see them removed.

There are also other provisions of the UN Charter that deal with transitional arrangements, and thus are now spent. For example, article 61(3) and article 109(3). However, In Larger Freedom does not contain any proposals with respect to these provisions.

Due to the difficulty in amending the Charter, it is unlikely that any of these spent provisions will be amended except as part of a package making substantive amendments, such as Security Council reform. Further, while In Larger Freedom proposes that certain provisions be removed there is not universal agreement. One school of thought in particular suggests that the Military Staff Committee could be revitalized by member states finally meeting their Article 45 commitments to provide a force able to perform peacemaking and peace enforcement under the legitimacy of the United Nations flag.
Meanwhile the body can't even amend the charter to update the current countries list, because the article that lists the permanent members of the UN Security Council explicitly states the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which has not existed for coming up on 30 years.

I have a Jeep that has 335,000 miles (more than 500,000 km) on it. A young couple was asking me how I got it to last that long and I said "well, if you want something to last, you have to take care of and maintain it". Statement applies to more than just Jeeps. It's why I'm a pro-reform individual in U.S. politics and constitutional law and support the Article V Convention. Where's all the maintenance on the UN?
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C-Span footage of Joe Biden touching young girls during congressional swear-in ceremonies is being flagged by Twitter for violating their Child Sexual Exploitation Policy. :lol:

https://newspunch.com/footage-of-biden- ... y-twitter/
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Image

Looks a bit dopey
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you're very invested in this Mick.

You need the GOP to win the House of Representatives as well which is unlikely.

If Trump wins president but the Dems control the House, he'll get no legislation passed for another 2 years at least.
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If you're determined to see it as inappropriate then that's what it will be in your mind.

However, it's a low act to accuse someone of child molestation based on those pictures. Do you think a child molester would actually molest kids in public?

Did you what Trump did to his own daughter? He even admits he's attracted to her.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:08 pm Image

Looks a bit dopey
You really are an ass clown Mick.

The photo on the right is Joe kissing his grandson at the funeral of Beau Biden. A beautiful image of a caring grandfather consoling his grandson after the death of his father, Beau.
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AnkleTap wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:47 pm C-Span footage of Joe Biden touching young girls during congressional swear-in ceremonies is being flagged by Twitter for violating their Child Sexual Exploitation Policy. :lol:

https://newspunch.com/footage-of-biden- ... y-twitter/
The photos were from this article.
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puku wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:24 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:08 pm Image

Looks a bit dopey
You really are an ass clown Mick.

The photo on the right is Joe kissing his grandson at the funeral of Beau Biden. A beautiful image of a caring grandfather consoling his grandson after the death of his father, Beau.
poor beau, they look pleased he's gone.

must have gone off message or something.
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Some interesting articles stepping through various ways that the Democrats might react to a loss.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... de/616321/
As someone who has argued against catastrophism—I don’t believe Donald Trump is a fascist or a dictator in the making, and I don’t believe America is a failed state—I find myself truly worried about only one scenario: that Trump will win reelection and Democrats and others on the left will be unwilling, even unable, to accept the result.

A loss by Joe Biden under these circumstances is the worst case not because Trump will destroy America (he can’t), but because it is the outcome most likely to undermine faith in democracy, resulting in more of the social unrest and street battles that cities including Portland, Oregon, and Seattle have seen in recent months. For this reason, strictly law-and-order Republicans who have responded in dismay to scenes of rioting and looting have an interest in Biden winning—even if they could never bring themselves to vote for him.
So, the threat of political violence.
Liberals had enough trouble accepting the results of the 2016 election. In some sense, they never really came to terms with it. The past four years have witnessed the continuous urge to explain away the inexplicable, to find solace in the fact that the voters betrayed them. How could so many of their fellow Americans side with a racist and a fabulist, someone so callous and seemingly without empathy? It was easier to think that those Americans had been lackeys, manipulated and deceived, or that they simply hadn’t understood what was best for them. Moreover, the Russians had interfered, and tipped the balance in an extremely close election through propaganda, fake news, and collusion with the Trump campaign. Perhaps, as former Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid suggested, the Russians had even tampered with the vote itself.
Good summary.
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merry! wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:56 pm
puku wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:24 pm
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:08 pm Image

Looks a bit dopey
You really are an ass clown Mick.

The photo on the right is Joe kissing his grandson at the funeral of Beau Biden. A beautiful image of a caring grandfather consoling his grandson after the death of his father, Beau.
poor beau, they look pleased he's gone.

must have gone off message or something.
:lol:
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Then this piece of weirdness.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/25/ ... nt-pretty/
The scenario that produced the most contentious dynamics, however, was the one in which Trump won the Electoral College — and thus, the election — but Biden won the popular vote by 5 percentage points. Biden’s team retracted his Election Night concession, fueled by Democrats angry at losing yet another election despite capturing the popular vote, as happened in 2000 and 2016. In the mock election, Trump sought to divide Democrats — at one point giving an interview to The Intercept, a left-leaning news outlet, saying Senator Bernie Sanders would have won if Democrats had nominated him. Meanwhile, Biden’s team sought to encourage large Western states to secede unless pro-Democracy reforms were made.
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Why on earth would "Democrats and others on the left will be unwilling, even unable, to accept the result", and what on earh makes him think that to be likely?

The only participant in this election or the last one who has ever even hinted at an unwillingness to accept the result is Trump, both times. Democrats are quite used to being on the wrong end of election night, despite having more votes; it's happened several times in recent years, in presidential and house elections.

Of course Liberals "have trouble accepting the results" of 2016; who wouldn't look at a sport where you scored 3 million more points than your opponent but still lost, and not say "I think the rules of this game need to be reviewed"?
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DOB wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:01 am Why on earth would "Democrats and others on the left will be unwilling, even unable, to accept the result", and what on earh makes him think that to be likely?

The only participant in this election or the last one who has ever even hinted at an unwillingness to accept the result is Trump, both times. Democrats are quite used to being on the wrong end of election night, despite having more votes; it's happened several times in recent years, in presidential and house elections.

Of course Liberals "have trouble accepting the results" of 2016; who wouldn't look at a sport where you scored 3 million more points than your opponent but still lost, and not say "I think the rules of this game need to be reviewed"?
Maybe don't count things that aren't points as points.
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:19 pm
fonzeee wrote: Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:57 am Some very good posts FR :thumbup:

Only thing I'm not so sure I agree with, is that we'll not just go back to looking the other way on China. The wound from covid is still very fresh so a more hostile stance towards China *seems* possible at the moment, but I think the powers that be will very much want to keep China in the fold in the long run, and efforts will be made to ensure this happens. There's just way too much money there.
They've done this for how many years and look what just happened? Hong Kong was lost. The people back in the 1990s wanted Hong Kong to reform China instead of China reforming Hong Kong, or at least that's how it was sold back then. China has reformed economically but has become even more hardline politically (learning from Gorbachev's mistake I guess). The powers that be very much do care about Hong Kong because that's the nerve center for pan-Asian commerce. Maybe things go on as normal, maybe something like Singapore becomes the new nerve center. Depends on how heavy-handed the mainland Chinese government become. We'll see. I don't expect Xi to change his governing style and foreign policy because Biden is president. Biden becomes president, Huawei is still a thing. Just because we change presidents doesn't mean there's a whole different set of facts on the ground.
Hong Kong matters but it isn't the consumer goldmine that China proper represents.
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I love this hostile stance towards China rubbish. By far the most goods imported by America come from China. That is not going to change because the hostile stance is a load of bollox
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CrazyIslander wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:24 pm If you're determined to see it as inappropriate then that's what it will be in your mind.

However, it's a low act to accuse someone of child molestation based on those pictures. Do you think a child molester would actually molest kids in public?

Did you what Trump did to his own daughter? He even admits he's attracted to her.
Why are you bothering to ask them. They know it's not true. They are just at that desperate stage where they are slinging anything they can. Just let them have their fun.
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Interesting to see that Qanon has now fully infiltrated this thread. Merry does seem to fit the profile, bit surprised by Mick - benefit of the doubt and he is on the troll.

Only Donald can save us from the child molesters. He could maybe start with a stakeout in a teen beauty pageant changing room. That is were you are most likely to find creepy old men skulking about trying to catch a glimpse of the goods.
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Next up, help fight racism. Join the KKK.
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BokJock wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:26 am Interesting to see that Qanon has now fully infiltrated this thread. Merry does seem to fit the profile, bit surprised by Mick - benefit of the doubt and he is on the troll.

Only Donald can save us from the child molesters. He could maybe start with a stakeout in a teen beauty pageant changing room. That is were you are most likely to find creepy old men skulking about trying to catch a glimpse of the goods.
I had no idea what Qanon is.

Having had a brief look, I do not think Biden is a Satanist.
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Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:41 am
BokJock wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:26 am Interesting to see that Qanon has now fully infiltrated this thread. Merry does seem to fit the profile, bit surprised by Mick - benefit of the doubt and he is on the troll.

Only Donald can save us from the child molesters. He could maybe start with a stakeout in a teen beauty pageant changing room. That is were you are most likely to find creepy old men skulking about trying to catch a glimpse of the goods.
I had no idea what Qanon is.

Having had a brief look, I do not think Biden is a Satanist.
I didn’t think you were Mick :thumbup:

Be careful though, believing Biden is a child molester is a gateway drug
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BokJock wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:06 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:41 am
BokJock wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:26 am Interesting to see that Qanon has now fully infiltrated this thread. Merry does seem to fit the profile, bit surprised by Mick - benefit of the doubt and he is on the troll.

Only Donald can save us from the child molesters. He could maybe start with a stakeout in a teen beauty pageant changing room. That is were you are most likely to find creepy old men skulking about trying to catch a glimpse of the goods.
I had no idea what Qanon is.

Having had a brief look, I do not think Biden is a Satanist.
I didn’t think you were Mick :thumbup:

Be careful though, believing Biden is a child molester is a gateway drug
There is claiming to have no idea what Qanon might be is essentially saying don't blame me for being wilfully ignorant
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https://twitter.com/hollandcourtney/sta ... 0242394113

:lol:

There's not a lot of enthusiasm around the Biden campaign is there?
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Trump explaining how wildfires start 🤣 like a primary school kid.

Also climate change denial to the fore yet again.
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“When trees fall down after … 18 months ...they become dry” like a “match stick,“ Mr Trump said. “They just explode. They can explode.”
I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say he means they go up in flames very quickly, but that genuinely sounds like a 5 year old explaining something
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piquant wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:24 am
BokJock wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:06 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:41 am
BokJock wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:26 am Interesting to see that Qanon has now fully infiltrated this thread. Merry does seem to fit the profile, bit surprised by Mick - benefit of the doubt and he is on the troll.

Only Donald can save us from the child molesters. He could maybe start with a stakeout in a teen beauty pageant changing room. That is were you are most likely to find creepy old men skulking about trying to catch a glimpse of the goods.
I had no idea what Qanon is.

Having had a brief look, I do not think Biden is a Satanist.
I didn’t think you were Mick :thumbup:

Be careful though, believing Biden is a child molester is a gateway drug
There is claiming to have no idea what Qanon might be is essentially saying don't blame me for being wilfully ignorant

I am pretty sure, unless you have a degree of intellect previously hidden from view, there are subjects of which you are unaware.
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BokJock wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:12 am
“When trees fall down after … 18 months ...they become dry” like a “match stick,“ Mr Trump said. “They just explode. They can explode.”
I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say he means they go up in flames very quickly, but that genuinely sounds like a 5 year old explaining something
As somebody who has watched Backdraft I can confirm fire can explode
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This exchange, I mean for FFS
Wade Crowfoot, “to really recognize the changing climate and what it means to our forests.”


“That science is going to be key,” Crowfoot told Trump, “because if we ignore that science and sort of put our head in the sand and think it’s all about vegetation management, we’re not going to succeed together protecting Californians.”

“It’ll start getting cooler,” Trump replied with a smirk. “You just watch,” he added as at least one local official chuckled along with him.

When Crowfoot said, “I wish science agreed with you,” Trump brought the exchange to an end by saying, “Well, I don’t think science knows, actually,”
At least Trump has a basic understanding of seasons I suppose.

It’ll get warmer

It’ll get cooler
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BokJock wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:47 am This exchange, I mean for FFS
Wade Crowfoot, “to really recognize the changing climate and what it means to our forests.”


“That science is going to be key,” Crowfoot told Trump, “because if we ignore that science and sort of put our head in the sand and think it’s all about vegetation management, we’re not going to succeed together protecting Californians.”

“It’ll start getting cooler,” Trump replied with a smirk. “You just watch,” he added as at least one local official chuckled along with him.

When Crowfoot said, “I wish science agreed with you,” Trump brought the exchange to an end by saying, “Well, I don’t think science knows, actually,”
At least Trump has a basic understanding of seasons I suppose.

It’ll get warmer

It’ll get cooler
It will go away!
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Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:24 am
piquant wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:24 am
BokJock wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:06 am
Mick Mannock wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:41 am
BokJock wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:26 am Interesting to see that Qanon has now fully infiltrated this thread. Merry does seem to fit the profile, bit surprised by Mick - benefit of the doubt and he is on the troll.

Only Donald can save us from the child molesters. He could maybe start with a stakeout in a teen beauty pageant changing room. That is were you are most likely to find creepy old men skulking about trying to catch a glimpse of the goods.
I had no idea what Qanon is.

Having had a brief look, I do not think Biden is a Satanist.
I didn’t think you were Mick :thumbup:

Be careful though, believing Biden is a child molester is a gateway drug
There is claiming to have no idea what Qanon might be is essentially saying don't blame me for being wilfully ignorant

I am pretty sure, unless you have a degree of intellect previously hidden from view, there are subjects of which you are unaware.
Most things presumably. But I wouldn't include a subject I've repeatedly posted about as being something I had no idea about. I might have a rank bad understanding, but not no idea
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Santa wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:49 pm
Liberals had enough trouble accepting the results of the 2016 election. In some sense, they never really came to terms with it. The past four years have witnessed the continuous urge to explain away the inexplicable, to find solace in the fact that the voters betrayed them. How could so many of their fellow Americans side with a racist and a fabulist, someone so callous and seemingly without empathy?
Well, you could've not nominated Hillary Clinton for starters.

I feel like I've stated this a dozen times, but if Hillary Clinton resigned the nomination or died of a heartattack or other reasons in the October before the election, I absolutely would've voted for Tim Kaine.
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Flyin Ryan wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:49 pm
Santa wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:49 pm
Liberals had enough trouble accepting the results of the 2016 election. In some sense, they never really came to terms with it. The past four years have witnessed the continuous urge to explain away the inexplicable, to find solace in the fact that the voters betrayed them. How could so many of their fellow Americans side with a racist and a fabulist, someone so callous and seemingly without empathy?
Well, you could've not nominated Hillary Clinton for starters.

I feel like I've stated this a dozen times, but if Hillary Clinton resigned the nomination or died of a heartattack or other reasons in the October before the election, I absolutely would've voted for Tim Kaine.
That seems a rather large factor, yes.
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Santa wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:58 pm
Flyin Ryan wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:49 pm
Santa wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:49 pm
Liberals had enough trouble accepting the results of the 2016 election. In some sense, they never really came to terms with it. The past four years have witnessed the continuous urge to explain away the inexplicable, to find solace in the fact that the voters betrayed them. How could so many of their fellow Americans side with a racist and a fabulist, someone so callous and seemingly without empathy?
Well, you could've not nominated Hillary Clinton for starters.

I feel like I've stated this a dozen times, but if Hillary Clinton resigned the nomination or died of a heartattack or other reasons in the October before the election, I absolutely would've voted for Tim Kaine.
That seems a rather large factor, yes.
There was a Politico article from the election aftermath I read then I'll see if I can dig up, but it was talking to state Democratic Party staff with the subject being "why did we lose?" They had a conference call with the Clinton national campaign staff and the Clinton national staff were reacting "we're not responsible for this" and wanted to have zero post-mortem discussion. The one state staff quoted reacted incredulously in the article on the lines of "are you effing kidding me?"
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Campaign nuts and bolts failures and the political danger of a centralized national office: https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/ ... ump-232547

There's a lot in that article that could also help explain how Clinton lost the 2008 primary, and in spite of winning the 2016 primary, poor performance against a not as great candidate in Sanders in 2016. Don't get Democrats' love affairs with expensive consultants that want to shift the nature of campaigning to only their way. Gore's campaign in 2000 also had a lot of problems with them. One of his top strategists early on seemed to just use Gore to get out her sociological model explaining how Gore was a Beta male.
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Here's the article I'm talking about.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/ ... ame-231215
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Quite the Russian fixation.

Must just be on his mind a lot.
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