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towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:48 pm Mick’s wife doesn’t sound too bright. All races have stupid people.

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:48 pm Mick’s wife doesn’t sound too bright. All races have stupid people.

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:51 pm

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:48 pm Mick’s wife doesn’t sound too bright. All races have stupid people.

Says the squaddie.

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:51 pm

bimboman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:51 pm

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:48 pm Mick’s wife doesn’t sound too bright. All races have stupid people.

Says the squaddie.

At least you didn’t call me a sugar head.

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:31 pm

Anyway, I am not American and it is for the Americans to decide. What this election may do though, is that it may cause me to rethink living in America and head home. With Trump looking at making life harder and harder for non-migrants visas, I may have to do what he wants. Wonder what the impact of that policy will be on all the research being conducted in this country, medical, technological or others? That edge Trump is proud of. I smile when I hear the names of all these great American experts, when interviewed in the media. They tell the story of all these bright foreign students who came to contribute to America being the world leader in research.

MAGA.

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:04 pm Honest question, what scientific breakthroughs have the Chinese made? In what areas are they more advanced?

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:32 pm

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:04 pm Honest question, what scientific breakthroughs have the Chinese made? In what areas are they more advanced?

IT, Telecom, Bio-medical research... they are catching up or taking the lead in a number of fields.

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:35 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:32 pm

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:04 pm Honest question, what scientific breakthroughs have the Chinese made? In what areas are they more advanced?

IT, Telecom, Bio-medical research... they are catching up or taking the lead in a number of fields.

Any specific breakthroughs?

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:35 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:32 pm

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:04 pm Honest question, what scientific breakthroughs have the Chinese made? In what areas are they more advanced?

IT, Telecom, Bio-medical research... they are catching up or taking the lead in a number of fields.

Any specific breakthroughs?

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:35 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:32 pm

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:04 pm Honest question, what scientific breakthroughs have the Chinese made? In what areas are they more advanced?

IT, Telecom, Bio-medical research... they are catching up or taking the lead in a number of fields.

Any specific breakthroughs?

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:51 pm The means available to Chinese researchers are huge. China is investing big time and unlike the USA, most of it is government funded and the result of a public policy.

Beijing university has cutting edge technology available to its students, they don't have anything to envy Harvard or MIT for in this domain.

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:51 pm The means available to Chinese researchers are huge. China is investing big time and unlike the USA, most of it is government funded and the result of a public policy.

Beijing university has cutting edge technology available to its students, they don't have anything to envy Harvard or MIT for in this domain.

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:40 pm

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:35 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:32 pm

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:04 pm Honest question, what scientific breakthroughs have the Chinese made? In what areas are they more advanced?

IT, Telecom, Bio-medical research... they are catching up or taking the lead in a number of fields.

Any specific breakthroughs?

Just google it and you'll find plenty of examples to read.

Flockwitt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:47 pm

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:35 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:32 pm

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:04 pm Honest question, what scientific breakthroughs have the Chinese made? In what areas are they more advanced?

IT, Telecom, Bio-medical research... they are catching up or taking the lead in a number of fields.

Any specific breakthroughs?

https://www.space.com/quantum-communica ... iment.html

Santa wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:22 pm China is less good at inventing and more good at stealing ideas and adding incremental improvements.

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:07 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:40 pm

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:35 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:32 pm

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:04 pm Honest question, what scientific breakthroughs have the Chinese made? In what areas are they more advanced?

IT, Telecom, Bio-medical research... they are catching up or taking the lead in a number of fields.

Any specific breakthroughs?

Just google it and you'll find plenty of examples to read.

Sure. If there are many examples though, it should have been easy for you to name a few......

The amount of money that Silicon invests in R&D is not small. I’d be keen to see how close China really is to the US when it comes to scientific achievement.

The US Govt doesn’t have to do the heavy lifting for R&D - why should they? Their system is about private companies doing it. This is where most of the breakthroughs have come from.

In terms of absolute expenditures, China is the world’s second biggest spender on R&D, with $468 billion versus the United States’s investment of $582 billion in 2018

BokJock wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:28 pm

Santa wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:22 pm China is less good at inventing and more good at stealing ideas and adding incremental improvements.

That has been the tactic of some of histories most famous investors

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:11 pm

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:07 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:40 pm

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:35 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:32 pm

IT, Telecom, Bio-medical research... they are catching up or taking the lead in a number of fields.

Any specific breakthroughs?

Just google it and you'll find plenty of examples to read.

Sure. If there are many examples though, it should have been easy for you to name a few......

The amount of money that Silicon invests in R&D is not small. I’d be keen to see how close China really is to the US when it comes to scientific achievement.

The US Govt doesn’t have to do the heavy lifting for R&D - why should they? Their system is about private companies doing it. This is where most of the breakthroughs have come from.

In terms of absolute expenditures, China is the world’s second biggest spender on R&D, with $468 billion versus the United States’s investment of $582 billion in 2018

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:19 pm This old cunt just cannot stop himself from lying

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/20847907 ... mplete-lie

New Guy 2 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:56 pm

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:19 pm This old cunt just cannot stop himself from lying

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/20847907 ... mplete-lie

He's not lying, he's just confused.

He struggles to remember what office he's running for. Of course he has no clue which unions have endorsed him.

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:15 pm

New Guy 2 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:56 pm

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:19 pm This old cunt just cannot stop himself from lying

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/20847907 ... mplete-lie

He's not lying, he's just confused.

He struggles to remember what office he's running for. Of course he has no clue which unions have endorsed him.

Lying. Confused. Corrupt.

He is unfit for office.

Biden served on the board of Burisma Holdings, a major Ukrainian natural gas producer, from 2014 to 2019. He and his father have been the subjects of debunked right-wing conspiracy theories pushed by Donald Trump and his allies concerning Biden business dealings and anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine.[1]

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:15 pm

New Guy 2 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:56 pm

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:19 pm This old cunt just cannot stop himself from lying

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/20847907 ... mplete-lie

He's not lying, he's just confused.

He struggles to remember what office he's running for. Of course he has no clue which unions have endorsed him.

Lying. Confused. Corrupt.

He is unfit for office.

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:52 pm Imagine if you guys had 1/100 the dirt on Biden that exists on Trump. You’d be doing somersaults. But you don’t. No one is buying your Kremlin propaganda.

You useless idiots.

EverReady wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:07 pm Mick has made this thread unreadable again. Impressive

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:52 pm Imagine if you guys had 1/100 the dirt on Biden that exists on Trump. You’d be doing somersaults. But you don’t. No one is buying your Kremlin propaganda.

You useless idiots.

Hunter Biden's laptop: A Russian trick, a hack-job — or just what it looks like?

If the stakes were not high, it would be a laugh-riot to listen to people who relied on the Steele dossier in an Intelligence Community assessment, and in four sworn FISA warrant applications, going on now about the Biden laptop being a “Russian disinformation” hoax.

But let’s be serious about authenticity for a second.

In a court of law, even in a criminal case where a person’s liberty is at stake, there is a presumption in favor of admitting relevant evidence as long as it appears to be what the proponent represents it to be.

That is, the evidence is put before the jury. Lingering questions about its provenance go to the weight of the evidence — meaning, how much, if any, importance we should ascribe to it. They do not result in the suppression of the evidence.

The most salient consideration in analyzing the authenticity of an item is the item itself.

I do not mean to dismiss such circumstances as the biases of the source of the evidence, the chain of custody, the opportunities there have been to tamper with it, and any indication that it has been tampered with in some way. To be sure, all of these indicators can be significant. In some situations, they can be so significant that the proffered item should be given no probative weight.

What I mean is that if the item itself does not appear to be what its proponent represents it to be, the inquiry is at an end. The item would be rejected because of its own innate fraudulence. There would be no need to expend effort to investigate its sourcing — except, perhaps, to pursue a case of fraud against the proponents, if the matter were grave enough.

Most alarming about the way materials from the alleged Hunter Biden laptop have been sloughed off by Biden supporters and their media (including social media) allies has been the resistance — no pun intended — to analyzing the substance of the emails and photos themselves. Instead, we get caterwauling about “Russian disinformation” and “hacked materials,” as if these knee jerk allegations were not just pertinent but dispositive on the matter of authenticity.

That is absurd.

The fact that Russians or Russian-sourced information are somehow attendant to documents or photos does not automatically make those materials Russian disinformation. It could be true information from or about Russians. Often, even the hostile Russian regime communicates to us things that are authentic precisely because they are authentic, and having to deal with them creates problems for our country.

Other times, in a compendium of information, the Russians might seed a few fabricated items, although most of the information will be authentic. That makes the disinformation harder to spot, and thus more effective. But we don’t dismiss the whole package because some of it may be corrupt. We analyze it more carefully.

Much of the time, though, the fact that Russians are somehow involved is just tangential or irrelevant. That appears to be the case with the alleged Biden materials. It is said that the president’s private lawyer, Rudy Giuliani (who hired me as a U.S. prosecutor many years ago), was dealing with people suspected of Kremlin ties when he investigated the Bidens’ business and political activities in Ukraine. Even if that’s true — and we don’t know that it is — what that has to do with a laptop apparently left by Hunter Biden in a Delaware repair shop is not obvious. (By contrast, it’s not surprising that one tracking down shady doings, as Giuliani was doing, would have to deal with shady people.)

As President Reagan famously said when dealing with the Kremlin, “Trust everybody but cut the cards.”

As suggested above, the Clinton campaign, the Obama administration, U.S. intelligence and law-enforcement agencies, congressional Democrats and the legacy press knew for dead certain that the Steele dossier was Clinton campaign-sponsored political opposition research, sourced to Russians — a key one of whom, we now know, was suspected by the FBI of being a Kremlin asset. Far from the information being dismissed out of hand, we were taken by the media-Democratic complex on a four-year “collusion” ride.

The “don’t rely on hacked information” claim is even more ludicrous. There is no evidence the Biden materials were hacked. At the moment, the evidence is that the laptop was taken to a repair shop and then abandoned — entirely plausible, given that the shop was in Delaware, which is Biden-central, and Hunter Biden’s behavior is notoriously erratic because of his admitted drug abuse. The hard drive wasn’t hacked; it was quite intentionally given to the shopkeeper.

More to the point, even if the information had been hacked, that would not make it inauthentic. The reason hacking is a serious offense that causes humiliation and wreaks financial and privacy havoc is because it exposes true information. The hacked Democratic National Committee emails were a problem for Democrats in 2016 because they were real. Media outlets published stories about them, and the Obama administration confronted the Russian regime over them, because the emails were authentic. Hacking is a bad thing … but there’s nothing about it that makes the stolen information suspect. It’s bad for the opposite reason.

As we’ve noted, though, first and foremost in any authenticity examination is the item itself. Here, we have thousands of Biden photographs and videos that plainly appear to be real. The emails make contextual sense, and they fit what is known about Hunter Biden’s business activity (about which a great deal of investigative journalism has been done, most effectively by Peter Schweizer). According to Fox News, one unidentified participant in an email about Hunter’s Chinese business dealings has acknowledged the email’s authenticity.

Most significantly, neither Hunter Biden nor the Biden campaign has claimed the materials are fabricated. To the contrary, when initially asked about an email indicating that Joe Biden, as vice president, met with an executive of Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company that was lavishly paying Biden’s son, the Biden campaign’s reaction was to check the former vice president’s official calendar — after which the campaign first lamely said there was no notation of any such meeting, and then meekly admitted that Biden might well have met with the Burisma executive.

But notice what they didn’t say: Nobody claimed there was no need to check any official calendar because the email was a fake. They assumed it was authentic, because there was no good reason not to.

And do you think the FBI and the Delaware U.S. attorney’s office issued a grand jury subpoena for the laptop because they thought the whole thing was a fabrication? Maybe … and maybe pigs can fly.

At the moment, the known evidence overwhelmingly tends to establish that the laptop is exactly what it is represented to be: the repository of Hunter Biden’s authentic emails, documents, photos and videos. The claims that it may be Russian disinformation, or should be dismissed because of “hacking,” are frivolous.

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:10 pm

towny wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:52 pm Imagine if you guys had 1/100 the dirt on Biden that exists on Trump. You’d be doing somersaults. But you don’t. No one is buying your Kremlin propaganda.

You useless idiots.

You sad sap

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ation.html