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Jerome Manning wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:21 am

fonzeee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:18 am

Jerome Manning wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:13 am

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:07 am The electoral college vote - it's bonkers

It's utterly insane.

At worst it isn't proportional to population enough.
It best, Democrat voters aren't scattered efficiently through the country enough. Way too much concentration in California without the commensurate Electoral College votes.

There is sense to it.... It's right that less populated areas get more of a say.

Why? Their say should be proportional to their population.

This is one of the few forms of leverage they have. Without that, they have nothing.

Derwyn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:37 am PR posters wrong again on a political election. Ever was it thus.

We followed common sense reasoning for a democracy. Obviously US voters prefer a strong man leader, who grabs women by the pussy.

Jerome Manning wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:39 am

Derwyn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:37 am PR posters wrong again on a political election. Ever was it thus.

Well done - you did call it early.

I thought you were bonkers.

You can be bonkers and right sometimes.

Derwyn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:37 am PR posters wrong again on a political election. Ever was it thus.

The Economist have him a less than 5% chance of winning.
In a two horse race.
In an American election.
Liberal confirmation bias

TheFrog wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:34 am

fonzeee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:24 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:22 am The Dems need more outspoken white Christians in proportionate to the electrorate. The Squad were cringey at best, they were too outspoken nationally. They polarised thd population.

As I've said before, AOC gets covered more by conservative outlets than liberal ones. She's a very useful idiot.

Don't underestimate the anti-system left. They want to destroy Biden as much as Trump did.

Really, I think now is the time for a 3 party system.

It’s always time for a 3rd party, the problem is that 3rd party will more likely be the extremes of one party or the other, rather than the moderates. It won’t be “socially liberal fiscal conservatives,” it’s people who think the Tea Party are soft on taxes. Bernie isn’t independent because he might side with the GOP, he’s independent because Biden and Harris are too right wing for him.


To your other point, I was seriously surprised at how much hate Buttegieg and Harris got from the Left on social media during the primaries, and after she got nominated for Veep.

Pat the Ex Mat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:30 am

Flyin Ryan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:23 am

Steven Shepard
Senior campaigns and elections editor11:12 p.m.

Alex’s sources are likely right, and it’s going to be a long wait. Now that California is in Biden’s column, he’s at 209 electoral votes, to Trump’s 119. Let’s assume Florida, North Carolina, Ohio and Texas are going to Trump. Give him Hawaii, Biden needs to find 58 electoral votes somewhere — some combination of Minnesota (10), Arizona (11), Michigan (16), Wisconsin (10), Pennsylvania (20), Iowa (6), Nevada (6), Maine (3), ME-02 (1), NE-02 (1), Georgia (16). He can lose Georgia, but then he needs to win EVERYTHING ELSE if he also lost Pennsylvania.

So what is your call?

He'll take Arizona based on current numbers. Minnesota it's inexcusable for a Democrat to lose it although Hillary almost did. Michigan likewise it's inexcusable for a Democrat to lose it (which Hillary did lose). There's some worries about Nevada from Democrats, which surprises me because it's a state that's gone more left. At the same time it's a state dependent on the Las Vegas tourism industry for its wellbeing economically, and that's not done too hot the past 8 months. We're up to 43 there. Give Biden 3 of the 4 electoral votes in Maine. The Maine 2nd district Trump won 4 years ago. The state has switched to ranked choice voting, so if the winner of the Maine 2nd gets less than 50%, it's dependent on who the 3rd party voters backed. Not calling that either way.

So if all the above holds with maybe the largest caveat being Nevada, he needs 11 from Wisconsin (10), Pennsylvania (20), Iowa (6), and Georgia (16).

Derwyn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:37 am PR posters wrong again on a political election. Ever was it thus.

Derwyn. Winner at last

Go Derwyn!

Well, I have to say that if this monster is returned, those who voted for him will deserve what happens to them. 100,000 Covid19 cases a day, and climbing, and given the childish polarity about distancing and wearing masks, the farkwits will suffer. How sad.

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:39 am

Derwyn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:37 am PR posters wrong again on a political election. Ever was it thus.

We followed common sense reasoning for a democracy. Obviously US voters prefer a strong man leader, who grabs women by the pussy.

We voted for Bill Clinton twice.

Flyin Ryan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:42 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:39 am

Derwyn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:37 am PR posters wrong again on a political election. Ever was it thus.

We followed common sense reasoning for a democracy. Obviously US voters prefer a strong man leader, who grabs women by the pussy.

We voted for Bill Clinton twice.

That's the formula. People prefer Fonzie to Richie Cunningham

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:36 am What has changed?

Each bet taker adjusts their own book based on what previous money they have on either result, etc, as well as their revised prediction of the outcome. So probably not much has changed in the last half hour.

But it does give a rough guide on the position.

Biden needs some impetus...

Flyin Ryan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:42 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:39 am

Derwyn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:37 am PR posters wrong again on a political election. Ever was it thus.

We followed common sense reasoning for a democracy. Obviously US voters prefer a strong man leader, who grabs women by the pussy.

We voted for Bill Clinton twice.

I was told this left a bad taste in your mouth.

wamberal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:42 am Well, I have to say that if this monster is returned, those who voted for him will deserve what happens to them. 100,000 Covid19 cases a day, and climbing, and given the childish polarity about distancing and wearing masks, the farkwits will suffer. How sad.

The problem is that even people who did not vote for him stand to suffer the consequences, especially related to covid-19.

TheFrog wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:20 am

Flyin Ryan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:15 am

fonzeee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:03 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:01 am Can't help but think that BLM was bad for Biden.

The phrase "no shit" comes to mind.

(Not a shot at you, just hilarious how misjudged this was by the "experts")

I was literally going to respond "no shit" to his post. Good on you for beating me to it.

What has been amazing is how the Trump campaign has managed to turn this against Biden, pretending that a Biden presidency would lead to riots when riots are happening under Trump, because he is such polarizing figure.

Scare tactics never fail. Its the rusted on armament of right governments.

kiap wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:44 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:36 am What has changed?

Each bet taker adjusts their own book based on what previous money they have on either result, etc, as well as their revised prediction of the outcome. So probably not much has changed in the last half hour.

But it does give a rough guide on the position.

Biden needs some impetus...

Trump $1.72

wamberal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:42 am Well, I have to say that if this monster is returned, those who voted for him will deserve what happens to them. 100,000 Covid19 cases a day, and climbing, and given the childish polarity about distancing and wearing masks, the farkwits will suffer. How sad.

Unfortunately it's not just them that will suffer. And they don't see it as suffering, they see it as freedom.

Last time Arizona went Democrat was Clinton in '96, where he was aided by Ross Perot.

On repeat at this point. 98% reporting in Florida and Trump is up 381k votes. Still not called.

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:39 am

Derwyn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:37 am PR posters wrong again on a political election. Ever was it thus.

We followed common sense reasoning for a democracy. Obviously US voters prefer a strong man leader, who grabs women by the pussy.

That only eats Maccas.

Flyin Ryan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:53 am Last time Arizona went Democrat was Clinton in '96, where he was aided by Ross Perot.

On repeat at this point. 98% reporting in Florida and Trump is up 381k votes. Still not called.

Most sites have called California

Come on Joe

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:49 am

kiap wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:44 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:36 am What has changed?

Each bet taker adjusts their own book based on what previous money they have on either result, etc, as well as their revised prediction of the outcome. So probably not much has changed in the last half hour.

But it does give a rough guide on the position.

Biden needs some impetus...

Trump $1.72

Yep. If it breaks through 2 bucks, it's a better omen for Biden.

Again, rough indication only.

CNN still haven't called AZ for Biden although it's 54%:44%. So that's probably his.

But Biden now in the lead in VA.

So MI, WI, PE and a couple of loose congressional districts to decide it, and Biden wouldn't need all of them.

Flyin Ryan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:23 am

Steven Shepard
Senior campaigns and elections editor11:12 p.m.

Alex’s sources are likely right, and it’s going to be a long wait. Now that California is in Biden’s column, he’s at 209 electoral votes, to Trump’s 119. Let’s assume Florida, North Carolina, Ohio and Texas are going to Trump. Give him Hawaii, Biden needs to find 58 electoral votes somewhere — some combination of Minnesota (10), Arizona (11), Michigan (16), Wisconsin (10), Pennsylvania (20), Iowa (6), Nevada (6), Maine (3), (1), NE-02 (1), Georgia (16). He can lose Georgia, but then he needs to win EVERYTHING ELSE if he also lost Pennsylvania.

That's not right though, is it? He can lose Georgia, Pennsylvania, Iowa and ME-02 and still get 270.

Minnesota (10), Arizona (11), Michigan (16), Wisconsin (10), Nevada (6), Maine (3), NE-02 would be a reasonable shot, with Michigan and Wisconsin being the two big question marks.

That was what I was saying the other day - Arizona and NE-02 could be the two critical ones, if he can flip Michigan and Wisconsin. Then (despite your arguments against it) I still worry about a faithless elector.

Flyin Ryan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:53 am Last time Arizona went Democrat was Clinton in '96, where he was aided by Ross Perot.

On repeat at this point. 98% reporting in Florida and Trump is up 381k votes. Still not called.

NC seems tight too.

kiap wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:55 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:49 am

kiap wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:44 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:36 am What has changed?

Each bet taker adjusts their own book based on what previous money they have on either result, etc, as well as their revised prediction of the outcome. So probably not much has changed in the last half hour.

But it does give a rough guide on the position.

Biden needs some impetus...

Trump $1.72

Yep. If it breaks through 2 bucks, it's a better omen for Biden.

Again, rough indication only.

There's hope I guess.

Paddy Power had Trump at 1.5 about 45mins ago and is now at 1.8.

Looks like Sleepy Joe has woken up.

wamberal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:42 am Well, I have to say that if this monster is returned, those who voted for him will deserve what happens to them. 100,000 Covid19 cases a day, and climbing, and given the childish polarity about distancing and wearing masks, the farkwits will suffer. How sad.

This is where the rest of the world shakes their head, they would go war for a fraction of that number being killed by a foreign nation or enemy. Reap what you sow Yanks.

grievous wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:01 am

wamberal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:42 am Well, I have to say that if this monster is returned, those who voted for him will deserve what happens to them. 100,000 Covid19 cases a day, and climbing, and given the childish polarity about distancing and wearing masks, the farkwits will suffer. How sad.

This is where the rest of the world shakes their head, they would go war for a fraction of that number being killed by a foreign nation or enemy. Reap what you sow Yanks.

Yep, totally equivalent. No difference there whatsoever.

Trump campaign pushing back on Fox calling Arizona for Biden. Per Politico just now they are the only network to call a winner at this point in Florida, Maine, Texas, and Arizona.

I am off to sleep. Have fun guys.

If Sleepy Joe makes up some ground tomorrow in Pennsylvania and Florida, we are going to have the fraud pitch from Trump and his enablers.

By the way, I saw that Lindsay - I swallow - Graham has been reelected.... People have no pride to chose to be represented by such a worthless creature.

fonzeee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:03 am

grievous wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:01 am

wamberal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:42 am Well, I have to say that if this monster is returned, those who voted for him will deserve what happens to them. 100,000 Covid19 cases a day, and climbing, and given the childish polarity about distancing and wearing masks, the farkwits will suffer. How sad.

This is where the rest of the world shakes their head, they would go war for a fraction of that number being killed by a foreign nation or enemy. Reap what you sow Yanks.

Yep, totally equivalent. No difference there whatsoever.

Its not but its a huge amount of dead...that seems to be irrelevant.

Was just listening to David Milliband on BBC.

fudge you Ed, what could have been...what a different country the UK would be right now.

grievous wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:04 am

fonzeee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:03 am

grievous wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:01 am

wamberal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:42 am Well, I have to say that if this monster is returned, those who voted for him will deserve what happens to them. 100,000 Covid19 cases a day, and climbing, and given the childish polarity about distancing and wearing masks, the farkwits will suffer. How sad.

This is where the rest of the world shakes their head, they would go war for a fraction of that number being killed by a foreign nation or enemy. Reap what you sow Yanks.

Yep, totally equivalent. No difference there whatsoever.

Its not but its a huge amount of dead...that seems to be irrelevant.

The governor of super blue Massachusetts, a Republican, has between an 80-90% approval rating from Democrats for his handling of covid. When I last checked, we were third per capita in deaths. And state governments are the ones who have most of the powers relevant to stopping the spread I might add.

Governor Baker doesn't deserve the blame. Neither does Trump.

CBS calls Trump for Ohio. Immediately afterward they announce Biden and his wife are heading to their convention hall in Wilmington, Delaware, and is planning to talk later this hour.

There's been a shift of "this is what Biden cannot allow to happen if he wants to win". I remember when this shift occurred for Hillary. Politico in their live analysis has started talking about Biden campaign missteps.

I think we're heading for a legal boondoggle on outstanding ballots that have not been received yet in some states on whether they should be counted or not. Some states allow ballots to still be counted if they will be received as late as the 12th (as long as it was postmarked today). But at bare minimum, Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin won't declare winners until late tomorrow.

Flyin Ryan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:12 am CBS calls Trump for Ohio. Immediately afterward they announce Biden and his wife are heading to their convention hall in Wilmington, Delaware, and is planning to talk later this hour.

There's been a shift of "this is what Biden cannot allow to happen if he wants to win". I remember when this shift occurred for Hillary. Politico in their live analysis has started talking about Biden campaign missteps.

I think we're heading for a legal boondoggle on outstanding ballots that have not been received yet in some states on whether they should be counted or not. Some states allow ballots to still be counted if they will be received as late as the 12th (as long as it was postmarked today).

No question.

I will be seriously annoyed if Biden does worse than Hillary. He deserves better than that.

Anybody else wondering how the for-all-intents-and-purposes absence of third parties this time around may have affected this election? Seems a lot may have gone home to Trump.

AP declare Biden the winner of Minnesota.

fonzeee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:15 am I will be seriously annoyed if Biden does worse than Hillary. He deserves better than that.

Well in Florida Biden performed better than Clinton did everywhere except Miami-Dade, and apparently one other county that's heavily Latino, but it's Puerto Ricans instead of Cubans.

fonzeee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:15 am I will be seriously annoyed if Biden does worse than Hillary. He deserves better than that.

He’s gonna flip Arizona?

I would say “America deserves better,” but the people voting for Trump probably do deserve Trump. I just can’t believe they’re dragging the rest of us down with them.

fonzeee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:11 am

grievous wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:04 am

fonzeee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:03 am

grievous wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:01 am

wamberal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:42 am Well, I have to say that if this monster is returned, those who voted for him will deserve what happens to them. 100,000 Covid19 cases a day, and climbing, and given the childish polarity about distancing and wearing masks, the farkwits will suffer. How sad.

This is where the rest of the world shakes their head, they would go war for a fraction of that number being killed by a foreign nation or enemy. Reap what you sow Yanks.

Yep, totally equivalent. No difference there whatsoever.

Its not but its a huge amount of dead...that seems to be irrelevant.

The governor of super blue Massachusetts, a Republican, has between an 80-90% approval rating from Democrats for his handling of covid. When I last checked, we were third per capita in deaths. And state governments are the ones who have most of the powers relevant to stopping the spread I might add.

Governor Baker doesn't deserve the blame. Neither does Trump.

Thats a cop out and exactly what leaders that dont lead would say.