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fonzeee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:27 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:13 am

fonzeee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:49 pm By the way, if the race ends up being this close and Trump was really a threat to pick up black voters, you do have to concede that Biden might well have been the only man who could get the job done. Concede even 25% of the black vote and the Democrats' whole electoral scheme is kaput.

He was the candidate equivalent of ten-man rugby: boring, unexciting, grinding out his advantage


but winning.

No, a can of tomato would've done the same. This was a referendum on Trump.

I keep seeing this line but I just don't get it.

If we were to assume it wasn't a referendum on Trump, how would it look different?

shanky wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:34 am Trump, at least, was elected. For all his faults.

However, watching the shit-eating grins being wiped off the faces of his crime-family children will be worth the price of admission alone.

MungoMan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:38 am

shanky wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:34 am Trump, at least, was elected. For all his faults.

However, watching the shit-eating grins being wiped off the faces of his crime-family children will be worth the price of admission alone.

An important distinction.

Trump is where he is because of a system for electing presidents he did not devise and neither was it devised for his benefit.

The junior echelon, OTOH, are there because Dad.

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:35 am

fonzeee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:27 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:13 am

fonzeee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:49 pm By the way, if the race ends up being this close and Trump was really a threat to pick up black voters, you do have to concede that Biden might well have been the only man who could get the job done. Concede even 25% of the black vote and the Democrats' whole electoral scheme is kaput.

He was the candidate equivalent of ten-man rugby: boring, unexciting, grinding out his advantage


but winning.

No, a can of tomato would've done the same. This was a referendum on Trump.

I keep seeing this line but I just don't get it.

If we were to assume it wasn't a referendum on Trump, how would it look different?

Trump would've won easy had he:
- paid lip service (lie) to BLM. Instead he mobilised the black/inner city votes
- Not undermine and attack Govt institutions. Turned off some Republicans
- listened to the CDC and Fauci. Biggest mistake of all. Could've listened to the CDC and blame them for the lockdown but claim credit for the recovery. It was an opportunity to be the caring/serious father of the nation.

grievous wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:55 pm

fonzeee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:49 pm By the way, if the race ends up being this close and Trump was really a threat to pick up black voters, you do have to concede that Biden might well have been the only man who could get the job done. Concede even 25% of the black vote and the Democrats' whole electoral scheme is kaput.

He was the candidate equivalent of ten-man rugby: boring, unexciting, grinding out his advantage


but winning.

The right here are in a panic about Harris "taking over" like Biden is on a ventilator or something, what Bidens' long game you reckon?

Derwyn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:21 am Wisconsin having a 89% turnout? That has smashed all previous records and some.

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:36 am Here is Ben Shapiro taking on Brillo from BBC . Big mistake taking on this man without doing your research. Many before him have suffered similar beatings


https://youtu.be/6VixqvOcK8E

Cartman wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:13 am Trump +4 now at 85% in PA
This will be over by 90%

Theflier wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:20 am

Santa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:15 am

Theflier wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:10 am

Derwyn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:06 am Voter fraud is now celebrated on Planet Rugby

I think the games up, he lost fair and square

but I think the calibre of voters turning out has been summed up by the chap a few posts up which can be summarise as "biden is dementing, kamala is evil, so I hope the new president dies towards the end of his 1st term so someone new can come in"

Typifies that this has been a referendum on Trump, scarcely considerinf what a Biden presidency may offer and, most worrying, how he bends to the far left hasn't concerned them

It surely was a referendum on Trump the individual, and not even on Trumpism, because down-ballot the GOP actually sort of won and a Biden/Harris presidency looks kind of neutered from day 1.

Republicanism won, Trump is the fall guy. Knowing the left, they'll milk Trump as the harbinger of doom for bidens entire first term, but the rot will seep in. My big worry is they'll go for a veyr smart, percievably popular, but ultimately far too conservative choice like Shapiro, when a Reagan could tear apart the lacklustre and blame heavy administration we'll see

Theflier wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:40 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:35 am

fonzeee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:27 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:13 am

fonzeee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:49 pm By the way, if the race ends up being this close and Trump was really a threat to pick up black voters, you do have to concede that Biden might well have been the only man who could get the job done. Concede even 25% of the black vote and the Democrats' whole electoral scheme is kaput.

He was the candidate equivalent of ten-man rugby: boring, unexciting, grinding out his advantage


but winning.

No, a can of tomato would've done the same. This was a referendum on Trump.

I keep seeing this line but I just don't get it.

If we were to assume it wasn't a referendum on Trump, how would it look different?

Trump would've won easy had he:
- paid lip service (lie) to BLM. Instead he mobilised the black/inner city votes
- Not undermine and attack Govt institutions. Turned off some Republicans
- listened to the CDC and Fauci. Biggest mistake of all. Could've listened to the CDC and blame them for the lockdown but claim credit for the recovery. It was an opportunity to be the caring/serious father of the nation.

He needn't do any of that. Those people couldnt be reasoned with.

The worst thing he did, was gloat, all the time. It turned the entire media, who were waiting for an opportunity against him.
Read through the last 20 or so pages, little critisces Trumps policy, and some of the things he's done are phenomenal(the recent truces in the east for one), but little was paid attention, because the media had the pitch forks out.

He couldve sat back, and let Biden fudge up, and cleaned up on that, but it had to be the Trump show

Thomas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:41 am

Derwyn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:21 am Wisconsin having a 89% turnout? That has smashed all previous records and some.

Almost like the voters were mobilised and excited to vote.

Some ex-politician nitwit in Australia was saying a similar thing about Washington DC voter turnout being in the low 90%. If he'd done his research, he would have seen it has been like that for the last 4 elections.

Thomas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:41 am

Derwyn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:21 am Wisconsin having a 89% turnout? That has smashed all previous records and some.

Almost like the voters were mobilised and excited to vote.

Some ex-politician nitwit in Australia was saying a similar thing about Washington DC voter turnout being in the low 90%. If he'd done his research, he would have seen it has been like that for the last 4 elections.

Derwyn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:45 am

Thomas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:41 am

Derwyn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:21 am Wisconsin having a 89% turnout? That has smashed all previous records and some.

Almost like the voters were mobilised and excited to vote.

Some ex-politician nitwit in Australia was saying a similar thing about Washington DC voter turnout being in the low 90%. If he'd done his research, he would have seen it has been like that for the last 4 elections.

Excited to vote for Biden. Yeah, nah.

89%. It is ludicrous.

DOB wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:43 am

Theflier wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:20 am

Santa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:15 am

Theflier wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:10 am

Derwyn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:06 am Voter fraud is now celebrated on Planet Rugby

I think the games up, he lost fair and square

but I think the calibre of voters turning out has been summed up by the chap a few posts up which can be summarise as "biden is dementing, kamala is evil, so I hope the new president dies towards the end of his 1st term so someone new can come in"

Typifies that this has been a referendum on Trump, scarcely considerinf what a Biden presidency may offer and, most worrying, how he bends to the far left hasn't concerned them

It surely was a referendum on Trump the individual, and not even on Trumpism, because down-ballot the GOP actually sort of won and a Biden/Harris presidency looks kind of neutered from day 1.

Republicanism won, Trump is the fall guy. Knowing the left, they'll milk Trump as the harbinger of doom for bidens entire first term, but the rot will seep in. My big worry is they'll go for a veyr smart, percievably popular, but ultimately far too conservative choice like Shapiro, when a Reagan could tear apart the lacklustre and blame heavy administration we'll see

A Reagan could. But there isn't a Reagan available. After 30 years of trying, including going with Reagan's VP, and his VP's son, the closest the GOP could come to a Reagan is a slumlord turned shit tv host.

If it was that easy to come up with an electable candidate, the Democrats would just clone Obama in 5 different shades and run them one after the other.

Santa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:44 am

Theflier wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:40 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:35 am

fonzeee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:27 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:13 am

No, a can of tomato would've done the same. This was a referendum on Trump.

I keep seeing this line but I just don't get it.

If we were to assume it wasn't a referendum on Trump, how would it look different?

Trump would've won easy had he:
- paid lip service (lie) to BLM. Instead he mobilised the black/inner city votes
- Not undermine and attack Govt institutions. Turned off some Republicans
- listened to the CDC and Fauci. Biggest mistake of all. Could've listened to the CDC and blame them for the lockdown but claim credit for the recovery. It was an opportunity to be the caring/serious father of the nation.

He needn't do any of that. Those people couldnt be reasoned with.

The worst thing he did, was gloat, all the time. It turned the entire media, who were waiting for an opportunity against him.
Read through the last 20 or so pages, little critisces Trumps policy, and some of the things he's done are phenomenal(the recent truces in the east for one), but little was paid attention, because the media had the pitch forks out.

He couldve sat back, and let Biden fudge up, and cleaned up on that, but it had to be the Trump show

Pretty much. He basically lost because he is, amongst other things, a massive knob.

Flyin Ryan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:43 am

Cartman wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:13 am Trump +4 now at 85% in PA
This will be over by 90%

Biden doesn't need Pennsylvania to win the election.

puku wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:49 am

Theflier wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:40 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:35 am

fonzeee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:27 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:13 am

fonzeee wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:49 pm By the way, if the race ends up being this close and Trump was really a threat to pick up black voters, you do have to concede that Biden might well have been the only man who could get the job done. Concede even 25% of the black vote and the Democrats' whole electoral scheme is kaput.

He was the candidate equivalent of ten-man rugby: boring, unexciting, grinding out his advantage


but winning.

No, a can of tomato would've done the same. This was a referendum on Trump.

I keep seeing this line but I just don't get it.

If we were to assume it wasn't a referendum on Trump, how would it look different?

Trump would've won easy had he:
- paid lip service (lie) to BLM. Instead he mobilised the black/inner city votes
- Not undermine and attack Govt institutions. Turned off some Republicans
- listened to the CDC and Fauci. Biggest mistake of all. Could've listened to the CDC and blame them for the lockdown but claim credit for the recovery. It was an opportunity to be the caring/serious father of the nation.

He needn't do any of that. Those people couldnt be reasoned with.

The worst thing he did, was gloat, all the time. It turned the entire media, who were waiting for an opportunity against him.
Read through the last 20 or so pages, little critisces Trumps policy, and some of the things he's done are phenomenal(the recent truces in the east for one), but little was paid attention, because the media had the pitch forks out.

He couldve sat back, and let Biden fudge up, and cleaned up on that, but it had to be the Trump show

Theflier wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:47 am

DOB wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:43 am

Theflier wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:20 am

Santa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:15 am

Theflier wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:10 am

I think the games up, he lost fair and square

but I think the calibre of voters turning out has been summed up by the chap a few posts up which can be summarise as "biden is dementing, kamala is evil, so I hope the new president dies towards the end of his 1st term so someone new can come in"

Typifies that this has been a referendum on Trump, scarcely considerinf what a Biden presidency may offer and, most worrying, how he bends to the far left hasn't concerned them

It surely was a referendum on Trump the individual, and not even on Trumpism, because down-ballot the GOP actually sort of won and a Biden/Harris presidency looks kind of neutered from day 1.

Republicanism won, Trump is the fall guy. Knowing the left, they'll milk Trump as the harbinger of doom for bidens entire first term, but the rot will seep in. My big worry is they'll go for a veyr smart, percievably popular, but ultimately far too conservative choice like Shapiro, when a Reagan could tear apart the lacklustre and blame heavy administration we'll see

A Reagan could. But there isn't a Reagan available. After 30 years of trying, including going with Reagan's VP, and his VP's son, the closest the GOP could come to a Reagan is a slumlord turned shit tv host.

If it was that easy to come up with an electable candidate, the Democrats would just clone Obama in 5 different shades and run them one after the other.

It is remarkable, but not unsurprising, and I believe its rooted in our results based narrative, the sort of people offered the opportunities to succeed, usually aren't the ones who develop the best social skills, I hate citing social studies because i find them just opinions, but success is usually the result of hard work, intelligence and brown nosing, not social standing among peers. Reagan being an actor, was most likley as you say, the exception, not the rule.

shanky wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:50 am Reagan was a terrible President.

Objectively...

Theflier wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:53 am

shanky wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:50 am Reagan was a terrible President.

Objectively...

In policy to you I'm sure, but that's not what made him so electable, which is what cost Trump this

Flyin Ryan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:53 am

Theflier wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:47 am

DOB wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:43 am

Theflier wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:20 am

Santa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:15 am

It surely was a referendum on Trump the individual, and not even on Trumpism, because down-ballot the GOP actually sort of won and a Biden/Harris presidency looks kind of neutered from day 1.

Republicanism won, Trump is the fall guy. Knowing the left, they'll milk Trump as the harbinger of doom for bidens entire first term, but the rot will seep in. My big worry is they'll go for a veyr smart, percievably popular, but ultimately far too conservative choice like Shapiro, when a Reagan could tear apart the lacklustre and blame heavy administration we'll see

A Reagan could. But there isn't a Reagan available. After 30 years of trying, including going with Reagan's VP, and his VP's son, the closest the GOP could come to a Reagan is a slumlord turned shit tv host.

If it was that easy to come up with an electable candidate, the Democrats would just clone Obama in 5 different shades and run them one after the other.

It is remarkable, but not unsurprising, and I believe its rooted in our results based narrative, the sort of people offered the opportunities to succeed, usually aren't the ones who develop the best social skills, I hate citing social studies because i find them just opinions, but success is usually the result of hard work, intelligence and brown nosing, not social standing among peers. Reagan being an actor, was most likley as you say, the exception, not the rule.

If you want a Reagan, a "Reagan" for starters would've picked a far more intelligent and policy-heavy staff and Cabinet, and just let them do their jobs. That's just not possible for someone as egotistical as Trump where everything was about him. Tillerson challenged Trump almost immediately after appointed and Trump sought to remove the ability for him to do his job at the State Department effectively. And that leaves aside his stormy relationship with Congress, even when the House was Republican-held. It's ridiculous to compare Trump to Reagan or either of the 2 Bushes.

shanky wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:29 am Yeah

Shapiro would be better off suited to PR.

He'd be a star here

shanky wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:34 am Trump, at least, was elected. For all his faults.

However, watching the shit-eating grins being wiped off the faces of his crime-family children will be worth the price of admission alone.

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:53 am

Theflier wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:40 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:35 am

fonzeee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:27 am

CrazyIslander wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:13 am

No, a can of tomato would've done the same. This was a referendum on Trump.

I keep seeing this line but I just don't get it.

If we were to assume it wasn't a referendum on Trump, how would it look different?

Trump would've won easy had he:
- paid lip service (lie) to BLM. Instead he mobilised the black/inner city votes
- Not undermine and attack Govt institutions. Turned off some Republicans
- listened to the CDC and Fauci. Biggest mistake of all. Could've listened to the CDC and blame them for the lockdown but claim credit for the recovery. It was an opportunity to be the caring/serious father of the nation.

He needn't do any of that. Those people couldnt be reasoned with.

The worst thing he did, was gloat, all the time. It turned the entire media, who were waiting for an opportunity against him.
Read through the last 20 or so pages, little critisces Trumps policy, and some of the things he's done are phenomenal(the recent truces in the east for one), but little was paid attention, because the media had the pitch forks out.

He couldve sat back, and let Biden fudge up, and cleaned up on that, but it had to be the Trump show

Disagree. All he had to say to BLM is that he'll look into it and he takes it seriously (but then do nothing it doesn't matter). Instead he antagonised them. He lost because of the large turnout in urban areas with huge margins for Biden, people that didn't care to turn up for Hilary. 130k to 0 for Biden in one group of votes in Detroit alone.

The media turned against him because of his disregard for the Constitution, democracy and government institutions. Those people drew on their conscience.

The pandemic response was a mess. Why didn't he do what most countries did and listen to the experts. No one would've blamed him.
This wasn't about policy, this was about his behaviour.

shanky wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:54 am

Theflier wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:53 am

shanky wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:50 am Reagan was a terrible President.

Objectively...

In policy to you I'm sure, but that's not what made him so electable, which is what cost Trump this

He was charismatic, for sure

A bit of a plum as well, during the McCarthy era. Not the sort of bloke you'd want in your rugger team.

fonzeee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:57 am

shanky wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:29 am Yeah

Shapiro would be better off suited to PR.

He'd be a star here

Shapiro, being a Sephardic Jewish name, indicates Iberian ancestry.

So it would be remiss of me not to post pictures of his absolutely bangin' sister.

fonzeee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:57 am

shanky wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:29 am Yeah

Shapiro would be better off suited to PR.

He'd be a star here

Shapiro, being a Sephardic Jewish name, indicates Iberian ancestry.

So it would be remiss of me not to post pictures of his absolutely bangin' sister.

Santa wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:58 am

Dude just stop. In isolation the way BLM played out was to Trump's net benefit.