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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:33 am
by merry!
Muttonbirds wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:16 am
merry! wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:46 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:27 am
merry! wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:15 am i see the chinese police are back on the thread spewing commie propaganda.

strange times.
I feel you're too much of a runt to ban for that but if I were HK I'd give you 10 days off for the inference.
meh, you're just following the trend of censorship so popular among the progressive, tolerant left.

that's because 'you're a weak man. an appeaser, at best'.. :P

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=100174&p=6703064&hi ... k#p6703064
Appeaser, eh? When I (and probably most westerners) think of appeaser, I think of Chamberlain v Hilter.

Is that really the analogy you want to draw? That I am Chamberlain and Islam is the Nazis?

Perhaps if Islam were organised under a dictatorial leader and had expansionist ambitions you might have a point. Otherwise, you're as you appear, a reactionary idiot.
yes, of course, the word appeaser was invented for, and can only be used in the context of, chamberlain and hitler.. :nod:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:07 am
by fatcat
Great interview with Jared Kushner here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtIA953Pvuc

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:33 am
by Muttonbirds
merry! wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:33 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:16 am
merry! wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:46 am
Muttonbirds wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:27 am
merry! wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:15 am i see the chinese police are back on the thread spewing commie propaganda.

strange times.
I feel you're too much of a runt to ban for that but if I were HK I'd give you 10 days off for the inference.
meh, you're just following the trend of censorship so popular among the progressive, tolerant left.

that's because 'you're a weak man. an appeaser, at best'.. :P

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=100174&p=6703064&hi ... k#p6703064
Appeaser, eh? When I (and probably most westerners) think of appeaser, I think of Chamberlain v Hilter.

Is that really the analogy you want to draw? That I am Chamberlain and Islam is the Nazis?

Perhaps if Islam were organised under a dictatorial leader and had expansionist ambitions you might have a point. Otherwise, you're as you appear, a reactionary idiot.
yes, of course, the word appeaser was invented for, and can only be used in the context of, chamberlain and hitler.. :nod:
Oh well. Like it or not, in the English speaking world, 'appeaser' is definitely most associated with British Tory PM, Neville Chamberlain. I can't change that.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:34 am
by Hong Kong
I see the happy one is still lying.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:11 am
by Kiwias
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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:12 am
by Kiwias
Putin has just cut Trump adrift.
Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Sunday that he saw nothing criminal in Hunter Biden’s past business ties with Ukraine or Russia
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... onAEQ8WCoU

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:30 am
by Enzedder
Interesting headline here today that Trump Gives Up (trying to containing Coronavirus)
The outbreak around vice president Mike Pence, who chairs the White House's coronavirus task force, undermines the argument Trump has been making to voters that the country is "rounding the turn," as the president put it at a rally Sunday in New Hampshire.

Further complicating Trump's campaign-trail pitch was an extraordinary admission on Sunday (local time) from White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows that the administration had effectively given up on trying to slow the virus's spread.
What is strange is that he gave up in March and they are only reporting it now

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:16 am
by Ted.
Kiwias wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:12 am Putin has just cut Trump adrift.
Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Sunday that he saw nothing criminal in Hunter Biden’s past business ties with Ukraine or Russia
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... onAEQ8WCoU
Stirring the pot, more like.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:09 am
by Kiwias
Ted. wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:16 am
Kiwias wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:12 am Putin has just cut Trump adrift.
Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Sunday that he saw nothing criminal in Hunter Biden’s past business ties with Ukraine or Russia
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... onAEQ8WCoU
Stirring the pot, more like.
He must be having so much fun watching the malarkey going on.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:26 am
by Fat Old Git
Has Covid faded away yet?

Also, I see Pence talking about Trumps how much they've achieved and how they have kept their campaign promises. So I'm assuming the following have been completed?

- Obama care replaced.
- Hillary locked up.
- the wall built and paid for by Mexico
- The deficit down.
- Overseas jobs back in the US.

what did they do on day 2?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:41 am
by Mick Mannock

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:48 am
by TheFrog

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:06 pm
by Masterji
Ted. wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:16 am
Kiwias wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:12 am Putin has just cut Trump adrift.
Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Sunday that he saw nothing criminal in Hunter Biden’s past business ties with Ukraine or Russia
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... onAEQ8WCoU
Stirring the pot, more like.
Putin knows who is about to win

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:19 pm
by TheFrog
Even Fox News is running propaganda for the Biden/Harris ticket, sharing news meant to reinsure people about their plan. No, the US under Biden/Harris will not become a socialist country!

https://www.foxnews.com/media/kamala-ha ... ective.amp

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:23 pm
by Anonymous 1
TheFrog wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:48 am Interesting analysis

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... tudy-trump
Nothing surprising tbf. You'd have to be someone like Mick not to get it.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:57 pm
by 4071
Masterji wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:06 pm
Ted. wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:16 am
Kiwias wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:12 am Putin has just cut Trump adrift.
Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Sunday that he saw nothing criminal in Hunter Biden’s past business ties with Ukraine or Russia
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... onAEQ8WCoU
Stirring the pot, more like.
Putin knows who is about to win
And it's the second time that one of Trump's international allies has been notably cool towards him in order not to burn bridges with the incoming President.

Last week Trump tried to get a bit of public ego-stroking from Netanyahu by prompting him to support Trump's assertion that Joe Biden wouldn't have been able to secure the Israel-Sudan deal that was just agreed. Bibi decided to respond that Israel appreciate support for peace from anyone in America. A rather more diplomatic approach than Trump was hoping for.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:01 pm
by CrazyIslander
I wonder what Trump's response will be?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:04 pm
by 4071
Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:23 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:48 am Interesting analysis

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... tudy-trump
Nothing surprising tbf. You'd have to be someone like Mick not to get it.
I think Mick gets it.

The strong correlation between support for Trump and pro-autocratic attitudes has been well-understood for some time.

These people (even the ones that rather amusingly claim to be libertarian) have a preference for autocracy and a fear of the wrong autocrat getting in. The likes of Mick and Santa clearly justify their support for Trump by creating a fictional autocratic Left and pretending that only their autocrat can prevent the other autocrat from getting in.

It apparently never occurs to them that there is an alternative to autocracy.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:05 pm
by CrazyIslander
I wonder if China or Russia can handle being a superpower..ie military interference in conflicts around the world. Russia has yet to do anything of substance in Armenia Azerbaijan conflict. Have yet to see China go it alone anywhere. I'm thinking they're more inclined to back the strong than any moral stance.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:07 pm
by AnkleTap
CrazyIslander wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:05 pm I wonder if China or Russia can handle being a superpower..ie military interference in conflicts around the world. Russia has yet to do anything of substance in Armenia Azerbaijan conflict. Have yet to see China go it alone anywhere. I'm thinking they're more inclined to back the strong than any moral stance.
So far the Chinese make the French look tough when it comes to conducting wars. Only nukes stop Russians (sort of).

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:26 pm
by ukjim
AnkleTap wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:07 pm Only nukes stop Russians (sort of).
and stinger missiles.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:41 pm
by TheFrog
CrazyIslander wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:05 pm I wonder if China or Russia can handle being a superpower..ie military interference in conflicts around the world. Russia has yet to do anything of substance in Armenia Azerbaijan conflict. Have yet to see China go it alone anywhere. I'm thinking they're more inclined to back the strong than any moral stance.
The situation in the Armenian-Azeri conflict is a complicated one for Russia. Both countries are ex Soviet Union Republics and as such, from Putin's perspective, part of what should be Russia's sphere of influence, not to say vassal countries. As such, they don't want to side openly with one country rather than with the other. Azerbaijan has Baku and all the gas too, so they do matter dearly to Russia.

Now, Russia's obvious concern is Turkey's involvement, as Erdogan, emboldened by Trump's passivity (not to say quiet consent) is pushing for the new Ottoman Empire or at least to re-establish Turkey dominance in that world, starting obviously with their Turkomen brothers. Beside the obvious power struggle between the two countries, there is also the concern about djihad with Turkey an active sponsor of Islamist djihad in Syria and Iraq and using now that weapon (though you could also call them mercenaries) in Azerbadjian. Russia has had to deal with radicalisation of Islam, first in Afghanistan (where American support allowed the Taliban to defeat the Soviet army) and then in Chechnya for example where the traditional mystic and more tolerant Sufi Islam was overrun by Salfism extremism as part of the struggle against the Russian central power. For sure Putin doesn't want this to happen in Azerbadjian so he will have to act.

He has already acted preventively by helping upgrading Armenian armament but Armenia started from so far that they haven't caught up with Azerbadjian who now use sophisticated Turk weapons including drones.

Here comes Iran who are also keen to prevent Turkish influence spreading in what they consider as their influence zone. Iran have always had strong ties with the Armenian and they are getting involved to support the country. Russia, obviously, is currently aligned with Iran in the Middle East, so they may tolerate that interference as way of check and balances.

Enters France who have traditionally strong ties with Christian Armenia (a lot of the Armenian diaspora has moved to France and they have a lot of influence with prominent artists, intellectuals and politicians). Right now, France are in open conflict with Turkey (not militarily yet), with clashes in Lybia where France is trying to prevent Turkish influence to spread too far), in the Cyprus and Greek waters where France is trying to get the European Union to react collectively and protect the EU borders against Turkey's ambition and now in Armenia.

This is to say that Putin may have asserted that what will put Russia in the strongest position here is not to get openly involved but act as the peace makers in the region. France has actually already called for EU cooperation with Putin on the matter.

France is part of the Minsk group, together with Russia and the US, who have been assigned a long time ago with finding a solution for this region. Absent the USA, this leaves France and Russia to work out something.


This is a very interesting- and worrying - development as you have two NATO allies in open conflict (confirming Macron's diagnosis that NATO is in a state of cerebral death). One of these NATO ally is openly sponsoring terrorism and djihadism, the other one is having to work closely with Russia. This is all bonus for Putin as American influence is disappearing slowly from the region and a time of reckoning for Europe who will have to agree on common foreign and defense policy or risk being at the mercy of two rising powers, waking up from the ashes of their previous empires. One shouldn't forget in particular that Turkey is the second most powerful military power in NATO (in terms of conventional weapons).

This is actually quite relevant to this thread as what is happening in the Middle East, Asia and Europe is a direct consequence of Trump's foreign policies and his friendship with Erdogan in particular (let's not forget the sacrifice of the Kurds here, as an horrible example of Trump's cynism and lack of consideration for other people).

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:51 pm
by BokJock
4071 wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:04 pm
Anonymous 1 wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:23 pm
TheFrog wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:48 am Interesting analysis

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... tudy-trump
Nothing surprising tbf. You'd have to be someone like Mick not to get it.
I think Mick gets it.

The strong correlation between support for Trump and pro-autocratic attitudes has been well-understood for some time.

These people (even the ones that rather amusingly claim to be libertarian) have a preference for autocracy and a fear of the wrong autocrat getting in. The likes of Mick and Santa clearly justify their support for Trump by creating a fictional autocratic Left and pretending that only their autocrat can prevent the other autocrat from getting in.

It apparently never occurs to them that there is an alternative to autocracy.
Fascism 101

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:05 pm
by fatcat
Leftism 101.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:07 pm
by piquant
fatcat wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:05 pm Leftism .
One of my all time favourite gym albums

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:10 pm
by fatcat
The Big Guy's latest blunder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsuUj6iFf2M

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:16 pm
by 4071
fatcat wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:05 pm Leftism 101.
Call it a triumph of hope over experience, but for some reason I keep expecting that at some point you will - however inadvertently - post something logical or coherent.



Any minute now...


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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:20 pm
by BokJock
fatcat wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:10 pm The Big Guy's latest blunder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsuUj6iFf2M
He is not wrong four more years of Dod Jr would be awful.

He is also talking to George Lopez, that may have had something to do with it.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:26 pm
by piquant
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/2 ... ase-431600

The federal judge presiding over the criminal case against former national security adviser Michael Flynn has ordered the Justice Department to conduct an unusual review of its filings in the case and certify by Monday whether any have been manipulated.

The order is a signal of intense distrust between the judge, Emmet Sullivan, and the department, whose filings are typically accepted at face value. In this case, DOJ has already acknowledged that two documents it previously filed — handwritten notes taken by former FBI counterintelligence agent Peter Strzok and former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe — were altered "inadvertently" to include inaccurate dates.

Sullivan's demand will force the Justice Department to confront tricky interpretations of handwritten notes that DOJ and Flynn's legal team have relied on to seek the dismissal of the prosecution.


I for one am shocked that Barr's DoJ stands accused of inadvertently tampering with evidence, but only because why on earth do they get the benefit of the doubt it wasn't intentional they tampered with evidence put before the court?

Also why would they do this, you could go to jail for being willing to do this for Barr/Trump, and who thinks they're worth that?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:30 pm
by fatcat
4071 wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:16 pm
fatcat wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:05 pm Leftism 101.
Call it a triumph of hope over experience, but for some reason I keep expecting that at some point you will - however inadvertently - post something logical or coherent.



Any minute now...


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Leftism 101 - make up or exaggerate any old shit and smear someone with it. It's fine if that is neither logical or coherent to you; I certainly don't expect it to be.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:14 pm
by Mullet 2
Is Fatcat after drinking diesel or something?

Also Fatcat...how was it?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:53 pm
by Short Man Syndrome
That Trump 60 Mins interview. Quite why he would want to release it earlier than the advertised broadcast remains a mystery, as does so much about his time in office.

https://twitter.com/Cary_Elwes/status/1 ... 65760?s=20

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:05 pm
by fatcat
:lol:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:07 pm
by TheFrog
piquant wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:26 pm https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/2 ... ase-431600

The federal judge presiding over the criminal case against former national security adviser Michael Flynn has ordered the Justice Department to conduct an unusual review of its filings in the case and certify by Monday whether any have been manipulated.

The order is a signal of intense distrust between the judge, Emmet Sullivan, and the department, whose filings are typically accepted at face value. In this case, DOJ has already acknowledged that two documents it previously filed — handwritten notes taken by former FBI counterintelligence agent Peter Strzok and former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe — were altered "inadvertently" to include inaccurate dates.

Sullivan's demand will force the Justice Department to confront tricky interpretations of handwritten notes that DOJ and Flynn's legal team have relied on to seek the dismissal of the prosecution.


I for one am shocked that Barr's DoJ stands accused of inadvertently tampering with evidence, but only because why on earth do they get the benefit of the doubt it wasn't intentional they tampered with evidence put before the court?

Also why would they do this, you could go to jail for being willing to do this for Barr/Trump, and who thinks they're worth that?
Now it is a little bit clearer why Barr is in no rush to publish Durham findings (to the greatest anger of the Dear Leader (of America)).

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:24 pm
by Mick Mannock
Nails it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFrIIt0ewW4&t=0s

Paedos will not agree.

Possibly some non-paedos too

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:36 pm
by piquant
TheFrog wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:07 pm
piquant wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:26 pm https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/2 ... ase-431600

The federal judge presiding over the criminal case against former national security adviser Michael Flynn has ordered the Justice Department to conduct an unusual review of its filings in the case and certify by Monday whether any have been manipulated.

The order is a signal of intense distrust between the judge, Emmet Sullivan, and the department, whose filings are typically accepted at face value. In this case, DOJ has already acknowledged that two documents it previously filed — handwritten notes taken by former FBI counterintelligence agent Peter Strzok and former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe — were altered "inadvertently" to include inaccurate dates.

Sullivan's demand will force the Justice Department to confront tricky interpretations of handwritten notes that DOJ and Flynn's legal team have relied on to seek the dismissal of the prosecution.


I for one am shocked that Barr's DoJ stands accused of inadvertently tampering with evidence, but only because why on earth do they get the benefit of the doubt it wasn't intentional they tampered with evidence put before the court?

Also why would they do this, you could go to jail for being willing to do this for Barr/Trump, and who thinks they're worth that?
Now it is a little bit clearer why Barr is in no rush to publish Durham findings (to the greatest anger of the Dear Leader (of America)).
I'd like to know if they've found anyone at the DoJ happy to sign off on the accuracy of filings submitted to the court. It should be astonishing this is happening, but there's so much madness it's barely a thing that the court cannot trust filings from the government.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:39 pm
by puku
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:24 pm Nails it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFrIIt0ewW4&t=0s

Paedos will not agree.

Possibly some non-paedos too
long haired freak wrote: to dick a child
x(

Prick

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:42 pm
by puku
Re the Durham report, I'm assuming it is safe now to unbuckle.

Another rookie mistake by the Trump administration, on par with their Tulsa gig. It is politics 101. Under promise and over deliver...not the other way around.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:01 pm
by 4071
Mick Mannock wrote: Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:24 pm Nails it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFrIIt0ewW4&t=0s

Paedos will not agree.

Possibly some non-paedos too
The weird paedo obsession continues.

Has someone been suckling at the QAnon conspiracy teat?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:15 pm
by Short Man Syndrome
Q - imagine being stupid enough to believe that Trump was waging war against anything other than the onset of diabetes, senility and a nasty slice off the tee?