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Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:45 am**

Derwyn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:35 am

Disgraceful if true. Count every vote!!!

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:46 am**

Derwyn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:35 am

I didn't want to point this out Derw but there's mostly black people in the vote counting centres. I saw a black guy with a hoodie throwing paper away.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:47 am**

Muttonbirds wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:45 am
Derwyn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:35 am
Disgraceful if true. Count every vote!!!

Well said. Count every legitimate vote. This is not about who wins.

This is about what is right.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:51 am**

This is anti-democratic

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:53 am**

Arizona tightening. How long does it take to count votes ffs? The election was 2 days ago.

I'm sure we can all agree this has been an absolute shambles.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:54 am**

Derwyn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:35 am

This Trump loving idiot parody is classic.

I love your work

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:00 am**

Biden's win means nothing if Mitch remains the most powerful man in the country, though. If the Republicans hold on to the Senate - which is now looking extremely likely - there is nothing any Democrat president can do. It will be four years of deliberate obstruction and Republican finger-pointing and blame. Certainly the money needed to help the most vulnerable recover from the covid crisis will not be forthcoming.

Nicely done, Kentucky and others. Good thinking. When your elected representatives fudge you over, vote them in again and blame the Democrats.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:00 am**

Another 61k votes released in Maricopa AZ.

25k for Biden
36k for Trump

Getting squeaky there (though potentially still waiting on some Bluer counties too?).

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:03 am**

4071 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:00 am Biden's win means nothing if Mitch remains the most powerful man in the country, though. If the Republicans hold on to the Senate - which is now looking extremely likely - there is nothing any Democrat president can do. It will be four years of deliberate obstruction and Republican finger-pointing and blame. Certainly the money needed to help the most vulnerable recover from the covid crisis will not be forthcoming.

Nicely done, Kentucky and others. Good thinking. When your elected representatives fudge you over, vote them in again and blame the Democrats.

I dont want to get ahead of myself here but if Biden does win, you wouldn't fancy his chances of re-election either. In his 80s, if he's still in office.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:05 am**

4071 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:00 am Biden's win means nothing if Mitch remains the most powerful man in the country, though. If the Republicans hold on to the Senate - which is now looking extremely likely - there is nothing any Democrat president can do. It will be four years of deliberate obstruction and Republican finger-pointing and blame. Certainly the money needed to help the most vulnerable recover from the covid crisis will not be forthcoming.

Nicely done, Kentucky and others. Good thinking. When your elected representatives fudge you over, vote them in again and blame the Democrats.

Why should the next four years be different to the last four years?

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:14 am**

Eh Biden hasn’t won yet. He’s more likely to win but Trump is still in this.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:18 am**

Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:14 am Eh Biden hasn’t won yet. He’s more likely to win but Trump is still in this.

Yep - reckon it's only 60-40 to Biden.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:24 am**

Arizona lead closing. Down to 70k lead

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:25 am**

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:57 pm CNN'S analogy was good.

A GOP senate. For Biden it will be like being pilot of a plane that won't fly

Biden's pretty much always been a moderate republican in Democrat colours. He's pro-big business, anti-free health acre, voted for policies that specifically screwed the poor to benefit big business, doesn't believe in government support for the poorer off who have to learn to pay their way and hawkish on war.

If anything a GOP senate will allow Biden to be the president he wants to be and has an excuse with those to the left of him to not enact those policies he clearly doesn't believe in.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:27 am**

Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:01 pm
TheFrog wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:41 pm
iarmhiman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:38 pm Trump has filed a law suit in Michigan to halt voting. Things are getting desperate
Though predictable.

I guess I'd say fair enough, he has got to try whatever he can.
He doesn't but he will

I think it's all theatre. Trump must know he has no chance, it's all to signal to his supporters the narrative they were robbed somehow so he can look like the true winner in their eyes.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:30 am**

The Biden fan club

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:31 am**

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:27 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:01 pm
TheFrog wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:41 pm
iarmhiman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:38 pm Trump has filed a law suit in Michigan to halt voting. Things are getting desperate
Though predictable.

I guess I'd say fair enough, he has got to try whatever he can.
He doesn't but he will
I think it's all theatre. Trump must know he has no chance, it's all to signal to his supporters the narrative they were robbed somehow so he can look like the true winner in their eyes.

Arizona and Nevada still have a lot of votes to count...

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:32 am**

The Optimist wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:18 pm In the end America is a seriously dysfunctional society. There is nothing to be admired about America any longer. 'Country' most likely to turn fascist is probably the most apt description.

It is time for western societies to dump the USA and look to beat its own path. America is morally corrupt and without a compass. Remember its condemnation of apartheid South Africa? Its backing of the ANC? America is a racist society, geared to protect a white minority's wealth and way of life. A society in decline, whose system of governance has created a breed of class geared to holding onto power by manipulation, corruption and the suppression of the publics rights. These politicians do not create anything, do not work, they simply manipulate society and the press to stay in the news cycle.

Australia should look to distance itself from such a frivolous ally of ill repute and low standing in the world. Take the central path with allies like Canada and the EU. Avoid S T U P I D!

Like it or not. The US has always been crazy, especially with Republicans in charge. But with China rising NATO is basically the US military an the only country that can bat back China's even more toxic influence.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:32 am**

Demilich wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:00 am Another 61k votes released in Maricopa AZ.

25k for Biden
36k for Trump

Getting squeaky there (though potentially still waiting on some Bluer counties too?).

I think Maricopa - which incudes Phoenix - is one of the bluer counties.

One of the analysts here is saying if Trump keeps picking up 60 odd per cent of the vote like that he will sneak home in AZ.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:33 am**

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:27 am
Anonymous 1 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:01 pm
TheFrog wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:41 pm
iarmhiman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:38 pm Trump has filed a law suit in Michigan to halt voting. Things are getting desperate
Though predictable.

I guess I'd say fair enough, he has got to try whatever he can.
He doesn't but he will
I think it's all theatre. Trump must know he has no chance, it's all to signal to his supporters the narrative they were robbed somehow so he can look like the true winner in their eyes.

He has far from no chance what coverage are you watching? Biden more likely to win but the win will be by such a narrow margin that Trump can claim shenanigans and keep this going in the courts for a long time.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:35 am**

ticketlessinseattle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:56 pm
iarmhiman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:18 pm Biden wins Michigan. YYYYYEEEESSSSSSSSSSS

That's a CNN projection. He's on 253 electoral votes
Even Fox calling it .. rats, shinkung ship ?

Remember in 2016 Fox didn't even want Trump as the republican candidate. They only side with him out of obligation against the Dems.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:37 am**

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:35 am
ticketlessinseattle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:56 pm
iarmhiman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:18 pm Biden wins Michigan. YYYYYEEEESSSSSSSSSSS

That's a CNN projection. He's on 253 electoral votes
Even Fox calling it .. rats, shinkung ship ?
Remember in 2016 Fox didn't even want Trump as the republican candidate. They only side with him out of obligation against the Dems.

Just watched about 30 minutes of Fox hate fest. Very entertaining. And they have the cheek to talk about Trump derangement syndrome.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:40 am**

Mullet 2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:54 am
Derwyn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:35 am

This Trump loving idiot parody is classic.

I love your work

It's clearly a much bigger story than Louis Dejoy losing hundreds of thousands of ballots, seemingly, and oddly, all in swing states.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:42 am**

This could go to Pennsylvania. Arizona lead narrowing. Not a done deal by any means

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:48 am**

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:42 am This could go to Pennsylvania. Arizona lead narrowing. Not a done deal by any means

I went to bed last night after celebrating with everyone telling it was a formality for Biden, are you saying this hangover is for nothing?

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:48 am**

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:25 am
iarmhiman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:57 pm CNN'S analogy was good.

A GOP senate. For Biden it will be like being pilot of a plane that won't fly
Biden's pretty much always been a moderate republican in Democrat colours. He's pro-big business, anti-free health acre, voted for policies that specifically screwed the poor to benefit big business, doesn't believe in government support for the poorer off who have to learn to pay their way and hawkish on war.

If anything a GOP senate will allow Biden to be the president he wants to be and has an excuse with those to the left of him to not enact those policies he clearly doesn't believe in.

I mean, it wasn't that way at the time, but to the eyes of the present-day observer, yeah more or less.

Joe's a remnant of a different time, no doubt about that.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:49 am**

Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:05 am
4071 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:00 am Biden's win means nothing if Mitch remains the most powerful man in the country, though. If the Republicans hold on to the Senate - which is now looking extremely likely - there is nothing any Democrat president can do. It will be four years of deliberate obstruction and Republican finger-pointing and blame. Certainly the money needed to help the most vulnerable recover from the covid crisis will not be forthcoming.

Nicely done, Kentucky and others. Good thinking. When your elected representatives fudge you over, vote them in again and blame the Democrats.
Why should the next four years be different to the last four years?

Imagine that. An opposition opposing.

I only hope that if Trump loses Republican supporters will take the loss with exactly the same level of grace and equanimity as Democrat supporters showed 4 years ago and every day since.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:53 am**

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:48 am
iarmhiman wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:42 am This could go to Pennsylvania. Arizona lead narrowing. Not a done deal by any means
I went to bed last night after celebrating with everyone telling it was a formality for Biden, are you saying this hangover is for nothing?

You need to look at where Donald is trying to stop the count. That's where Joe will win.

He isn't trying to stop Arizona. The GOP think they're going to sneak that state

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:56 am**

New Guy 2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:53 am Arizona tightening. How long does it take to count votes ffs? The election was 2 days ago.

I'm sure we can all agree this has been an absolute shambles.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:03 am**

fonzeee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:48 am
eldanielfire wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:25 am
iarmhiman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:57 pm CNN'S analogy was good.

A GOP senate. For Biden it will be like being pilot of a plane that won't fly
Biden's pretty much always been a moderate republican in Democrat colours. He's pro-big business, anti-free health acre, voted for policies that specifically screwed the poor to benefit big business, doesn't believe in government support for the poorer off who have to learn to pay their way and hawkish on war.

If anything a GOP senate will allow Biden to be the president he wants to be and has an excuse with those to the left of him to not enact those policies he clearly doesn't believe in.
I mean, it wasn't that way at the time, but to the eyes of the present-day observer, yeah more or less.

Joe's a remnant of a different time, no doubt about that.

A time when animated corpses shambled over the landscape in a cruel burlesque of the living

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:05 am**

In Pennsylvania biden has come from 700k down to only 160k down, 89% counted. Quite the Comeback

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:11 am**

Here we go. The woke left confounded by diversity of thought. The forbidden diversity.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/opin ... sFR9cxhiLT

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:13 am**

boere wors wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:05 am In Pennsylvania biden has come from 700k down to only 160k down, 89% counted. Quite the Comeback

Quite the comeback or quite the fraud.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:14 am**

Whats taking Nevada so long?? Only 75% counted. Biden only 8000 votes in Front

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:16 am**

Derwyn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:13 am
boere wors wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:05 am In Pennsylvania biden has come from 700k down to only 160k down, 89% counted. Quite the Comeback
Quite the comeback or quite the fraud.

Joe will win in Pennsylvania

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:17 am**

boere wors wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:14 am Whats taking Nevada so long?? Only 75% counted. Biden only 80000 votes in Front

8,000

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:22 am**

Derwyn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:13 am
boere wors wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:05 am In Pennsylvania biden has come from 700k down to only 160k down, 89% counted. Quite the Comeback
Quite the comeback or quite the fraud.

Pennsylvania is traditionally Democrat. Trump only won by 25000 last time. It was always going to be close

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:25 am**

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:17 am
boere wors wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:14 am Whats taking Nevada so long?? Only 75% counted. Biden only 80000 votes in Front
8,000

Thx, sorry!

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:28 am**

I was thinking that maybe having Biden as president (and he seems very likely in Pennsylvania, regardless of what happens in Arizona) with a republican senate, actually gives them the chance to move on from the Trump years, and have both sides forced to work together to pass legislation, rather then the radical extremes of either party.

Posted: **Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:28 am**

Bindi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:18 am
Duff Paddy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:14 am Eh Biden hasn’t won yet. He’s more likely to win but Trump is still in this.
Yep - reckon it's only 60-40 to Biden.

You called it for the Orange Buffoon yonks ago. No second guesses.

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