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Yeah! The company who spent millions developing the drugs shouldn’t make any profit from it. Greedy buggers.


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Yeah! The company who spent millions developing the drugs shouldn’t make any profit from it. Greedy buggers.

Who said that?

The issue is that the drug (as made by Gilead) has had the entire stock for the next three months requisitioned by the US. Whether the drug company is entitled to make a profit on it's IP (which they are) is another issue.

The point is that generic forms of the drug are available, but not to the EU or the UK.


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It's a weird thing, this capitalist 'free' market....

here's some thing things that the UK Govt might easily (hell - let's say childishly) say:

a) Gilead drugs are no longer entitled to subsidy
b) Gilead drugs are no longer entitled to special treatment in terms of 'fast-tracking' in either of the UK or EU systems
c) Gilead companies no longer qualify for special tax treatment


It seems to me that Gilead are perfectly entitled to pin their colours to the Trump mast

And they're equally entitled to experience the backlash from 500m euro types who didn't vote for him.

Bags not being on the Gilead Board. Ho Ho


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Fangle wrote:
Yeah! The company who spent millions developing the drugs shouldn’t make any profit from it. Greedy buggers.

Who said that?

The issue is that the drug (as made by Gilead) has had the entire stock for the next three months requisitioned by the US. Whether the drug company is entitled to make a profit on it's IP (which they are) is another issue.

The point is that generic forms of the drug are available, but not to the EU or the UK.

So, how do they get their development money back from these generics?


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Fangle wrote:
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Fangle wrote:
Yeah! The company who spent millions developing the drugs shouldn’t make any profit from it. Greedy buggers.

Who said that?

The issue is that the drug (as made by Gilead) has had the entire stock for the next three months requisitioned by the US. Whether the drug company is entitled to make a profit on it's IP (which they are) is another issue.

The point is that generic forms of the drug are available, but not to the EU or the UK.

So, how do they get their development money back from these generics?


No one is saying that Fangle

But directing ALL production to one single market, is actually counter productive, no? For political reasons


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shanky wrote:
Fangle wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Fangle wrote:
Yeah! The company who spent millions developing the drugs shouldn’t make any profit from it. Greedy buggers.

Who said that?

The issue is that the drug (as made by Gilead) has had the entire stock for the next three months requisitioned by the US. Whether the drug company is entitled to make a profit on it's IP (which they are) is another issue.

The point is that generic forms of the drug are available, but not to the EU or the UK.

So, how do they get their development money back from these generics?


No one is saying that Fangle

But directing ALL production to one single market, is actually counter productive, no? For political reasons


I agree with that completely. Terrible PR. Is there any proof that this is what they plan to do? Have they announced it?


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Fangle wrote:
shanky wrote:
Fangle wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
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Yeah! The company who spent millions developing the drugs shouldn’t make any profit from it. Greedy buggers.

Who said that?

The issue is that the drug (as made by Gilead) has had the entire stock for the next three months requisitioned by the US. Whether the drug company is entitled to make a profit on it's IP (which they are) is another issue.

The point is that generic forms of the drug are available, but not to the EU or the UK.

So, how do they get their development money back from these generics?


No one is saying that Fangle

But directing ALL production to one single market, is actually counter productive, no? For political reasons


I agree with that completely. Terrible PR. Is there any proof that this is what they plan to do? Have they announced it?

They've tried to soften it, but that's their deal they've done

their Faustian deal, their pact




Who are we to argue with the power of Pennywise?


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A few weeks ago I saw an article from Oxford saying how wonderful they were and were way ahead of everybody. Any idea where they are now?


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Fangle wrote:
A few weeks ago I saw an article from Oxford saying how wonderful they were and were way ahead of everybody. Any idea where they are now?

You seem to be looking for an argument, which I don't think anyone is prepared to give you.

Whether they are entitled to make a profit (or indeed gouge the living shit out of it) is neither here nor there.

The issue at hand is the way that the US has bought up most of the stock for the next three months.

There are methods for purchasing generic stock that the UK can pursue, but I would imagine that would bring a jaundiced eye from the US. Which, bearing in mind their exposure due to Brexit, may mean that covid patients die.


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Fangle wrote:
A few weeks ago I saw an article from Oxford saying how wonderful they were and were way ahead of everybody. Any idea where they are now?

You seem to be looking for an argument, which I don't think anyone is prepared to give you.

Whether they are entitled to make a profit (or indeed gouge the living shit out of it) is neither here nor there.

The issue at hand is the way that the US has bought up most of the stock for the next three months.

There are methods for purchasing generic stock that the UK can pursue, but I would imagine that would bring a jaundiced eye from the US. Which, bearing in mind their exposure due to Brexit, may mean that covid patients die.

I am not looking for any argument. I just resent thievery. Haven’t you had software stolen from you? I have and lost a lot of money.


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Fangle wrote:
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Fangle wrote:
A few weeks ago I saw an article from Oxford saying how wonderful they were and were way ahead of everybody. Any idea where they are now?

You seem to be looking for an argument, which I don't think anyone is prepared to give you.

Whether they are entitled to make a profit (or indeed gouge the living shit out of it) is neither here nor there.

The issue at hand is the way that the US has bought up most of the stock for the next three months.

There are methods for purchasing generic stock that the UK can pursue, but I would imagine that would bring a jaundiced eye from the US. Which, bearing in mind their exposure due to Brexit, may mean that covid patients die.

I am not looking for any argument. I just resent thievery. Haven’t you had software stolen from you? I have and lost a lot of money.


You're joking right?

To manufacture, these drugs cost a few cents per pill

To develop, they cost a few million per pill

All drug companies are looking to maximise their return

In truth the USA allows drug companies to charge 'full price' for each tablet. Euro-commie countries have price controls that restrict the value that drug cartels can obtain..

but none of this is news..

the issue here is NOT that Gilead chose to sell to the higher-value US market, but that they chose to take those dollars in denial of their other EU /World markets

The chose the filthy lucre NOW, without regard for long term. We shall see if revenge is forthcoming..


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A few weeks ago I saw an article from Oxford saying how wonderful they were and were way ahead of everybody. Any idea where they are now?


I'm guessing you are talking about the vaccine

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A leading scientist behind the University of Oxford’s potential COVID-19 vaccine said on Wednesday the team has seen the right sort of immune response in trials but declined to give a firm timeframe for when it could be ready.

Speaking at a parliamentary hearing, Sarah Gilbert, professor of vaccinology at the university, said 8,000 volunteers had been enrolled for the Phase III of its trial into the vaccine, AZD1222, which was licensed to AstraZeneca.

“We’re very happy that we’re seeing the right sort of immune response that will give protection, and not the wrong sort,” Gilbert said.

The race is on to develop a working COVID-19 vaccine, with fears that the pandemic could re-intensify towards the end of the year, in the northern hemisphere’s winter season.

Kate Bingham, chair of the UK Government Vaccine Taskforce, said that, excluding the Oxford vaccine programme, she hoped there would be a breakthrough by early 2021.

Gilbert said she hoped that her Oxford vaccine would make progress earlier, but was not more specific as she said the timeline for when the vaccine might be ready depends on the results of the trial.

John Bell, Regius Professor of Medicine at Oxford University, said that Britain should prepare for not having a COVID-19 vaccine for the winter and encourage people to get their flu vaccinations to avoid “pandemonium” in hospitals.

The project has started Phase III of the human trials to assess how the vaccine works in a large number of people over the age of 18, and how well the vaccine works to prevent people from becoming infected and unwell with COVID-19.

“This whole epidemic has relied too heavily on assumptions that have turned out not to be true,” he said.

“So my strong advice is to be prepared for the worst.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN24269P


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Earnest, but also a liar. That's quite some trick.

not really. dissonance is everywhere these days.


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no rallies for creepy joe.


Isn’t it just.


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general flynn's op-ed in western journal this week..

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Exclusive from Gen. Flynn: If We Don't Act, 2% of the People Are About To Control the Other 98%

I was once told if we’re not careful, 2 percent of the passionate will control 98 percent of the indifferent 100 percent of the time.

The more I’ve thought about this phrase, the more I believe it. There is now a small group of passionate people working hard to destroy our American way of life. Treason and treachery are rampant and our rule of law and those law enforcement professionals who uphold our laws are under the gun more than at any time in our nation’s history. These passionate 2 percent appear to be winning.

Despite there being countless good people trying to come to grips with everything else on their plates, our silent majority (the indifferent) can no longer be silent.

If the United States wants to survive the onslaught of socialism, if we are to continue to enjoy self-government and the liberty of our hard-fought freedoms, we have to understand there are two opposing forces: One is the “children of light” and the other is the “children of darkness.”

Spoiler: show
As I recently wrote, the art and exercise of self-governance require active participation by every American. I wasn’t kidding! And voting is only part of that active participation. Time and again, the silent majority have been overwhelmed by the “audacity and resolve” of small, well-organized, passionate groups. It’s now time for us, the silent majority (the indifferent), to demonstrate both.

The trials of our current times, like warfare, are immense and consequences severe and these seem inconquerable.

As a policewoman from Virginia told me, “People don’t feel safe in their homes and our police force is so demoralized we cannot function as we should. In my 23 years with my department, I have never seen morale so low.”

Another woman from Mississippi told me that we need our leaders to “drop a forceful hammer. People are losing patience. It simply must be stopped! Laws MUST be enforced … no one is above the law.”

Don’t fret. Through smart, positive actions of resolute citizen-patriots, we can prevail. Always keep in mind that our enemy (these dark forces) invariably have difficulties of which we are ignorant.

For most Americans, these forces appear to be strong. I sense they are desperate. I also sense that only a slight push on our part is all that is required to defeat these forces. How should that push come?

Prayers help and prayers matter, but action is also a remedy. Our law enforcement professionals, from the dispatcher to the detective and from the cop to the commissioner, are a line of defense against the corrupt and the criminal. It is how we remain (for now) in a state of relatively peaceful existence.

We must support them with all our being. They are not the enemy; they bring light to the darkness of night through their bravery and determination to do their jobs without fanfare and with tremendous sacrifice.

The silent majority (the indifferent) tend to go the way of those leading them. We are not map- or mind-readers; we are humans fraught with all the hopes and fears that flesh is heir to. We must not become lost in this battle. We must resoundingly follow our God-given common sense.

Seek the truth, fight for it in everything that is displayed before you. Don’t trust the fake news or false prophets; trust your instincts and your common sense. Those with a conscience know the difference between right and wrong, and those with courage will always choose the harder right over the easier wrong.

I believe the attacks being presented to us today are part of a well-orchestrated and well-funded effort that uses racism as its sword to aggravate our battlefield dispositions. This weapon is used to leverage and legitimize violence and crime, not to seek or serve the truth.

The dark forces’ weapons formed against us serve one purpose: to promote radical social change through power and control. Socialism and the creation of a socialist society are their ultimate goals.

They are also intent on driving God out of our families, our schools and our courts. They are even seeking the very removal of God from our churches, essentially hoping to remove God from our everyday lives.

Remember, we will only remain united as “one nation under God.”

And yes, there is a “resistance movement” by the forces of darkness. However, we must also resist these onslaughts and instead take an optimistic view of our situation. Like war, optimism can be pervasive and helps to subdue any rising sense of fear.

We must, however, be deliberate about our optimism. Otherwise, we may get lost in discouragement and despair of any failings we encounter. We must be tenacious in the ultimate end we wish to gain. That end is to remain an unwavering constitutional republic based on a set of Judeo-Christian values and principles. We must not fear these and instead embrace each.

Our path requires course corrections. To move our experiment in democracy forward, we should fight and reject the tired and failed political paths and instead pursue a more correct path that shines a bright light on liberty, a path with greater and greater control of our livelihoods instead of being controlled by fewer and fewer of the too-long-in-power politicians. They have discarded us like old trash.

Our will, our individual liberties and freedoms, remain powerful forces and must be understood and applied smartly. We must not be overly stubborn. Following the Constitution as our guide and adapting to change as we have throughout history, we learn more about what freedoms humans desire.

At times, however, we have to fall back on what got us here. We cannot afford to lose our God-given human rights and the strong inner desire for freedom to choose and to breathe the fresh air of liberty. We must stand up and speak out to challenge our so-called “leaders” of government. We put them in charge; we can remove them as well.

It is through our rights and privileges as American citizens that we challenge the political class and leverage our election process so “we the people” can decide who will govern.

We must not allow a small percentage of the powerful to overtake our position on America’s battlefield. We, as free-thinking and acting individuals, must control how we will live and not allow a few passionate others to change our way of life.


To the silent and currently indifferent majority: Wake up. America is at risk of being lost in the dustbin of history to socialism. The very heart and soul of America is at stake.

In war, as in life, most failure comes from inaction. We face a pivotal moment that can change the course of history of our nation.

We the people must challenge every politician at every level.

We also must stand and support our law enforcement professionals: They are the pointy end of the spear defending us against anarchy.

Now is the time to act.


https://www.westernjournal.com/exclusive-gen-flynn-dont-act-2-people-control-98/


''children of light...children of darkness". echoes of archbishop vigano's recent letter to trump.

gott mit uns! :)


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Cracks are starting to appear in the GOP camp. A bi-partisan motion is under preparation to block Trump from removing troops from Germany, with no less that Trump's loyal champion Lindsay Graham among the Republicans supporting the motion.

I am starting to hope that some same Republicans will put Democracy before their own interest, but most likely the key driving factor is that Trump is becoming a liability now in respect of their own reelection chances.

If Trump was 15 points ahead in the polls Graham would be backing him all the way


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cardinal vigano's recent letter to president trump referenced above..

https://www.catholic.org/news/hf/family/story.php?id=84789

(not that i expect many of the atheists/nihilists here to be interested.. :P )


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merry! wrote:
cardinal vigano's recent letter to president trump referenced above..

https://www.catholic.org/news/hf/family/story.php?id=84789

(not that i expect many of the atheists/nihilists here to be interested.. :P )


Ffs Merry. :lol: First Leeds Carnegie, then Trump, and now Vigano. You’ve made some shitty choices in life.


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Ali's Choice wrote:
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trying way too hard there....whoever you are.


He's right though. Having spent years on this forum loyally advocating for Donald Trump, and attacking anyone who dared to criticise him, you've completely changed your tack and you're now saying it's all about a civil way, destroying all the civic structures that keep the USA together, and starting from scratch. 'Make America Great Again' has turned to 'Destroy the USA and start something new'.

liar.


You're a poor imitation of Seneca. And you always knew when Seneca had been exposed when he resorted to one/two word responses. You should genuinely be ashamed to post on this forum. You have passionately advocated for the worst President that the USA has ever known. And you also used your passionate advocacy to troll other people.

Honest question, when Trump eventually loses office, will you still support him and believe everything he says. Because your support of him has gone well beyond mere political support and has been religious and spiritual in nature. You don't just vote for him (I'm also guessing you don't live in the USA) you worship him as your guru. You're a fanatic.



Not just the worst- Trump is an open racist. Anyone who says "trump isn't racist " or dismisses it is also most likely a raging racist like Trump


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Tuivasa wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
merry! wrote:
Ali's Choice wrote:
merry! wrote:
trying way too hard there....whoever you are.


He's right though. Having spent years on this forum loyally advocating for Donald Trump, and attacking anyone who dared to criticise him, you've completely changed your tack and you're now saying it's all about a civil way, destroying all the civic structures that keep the USA together, and starting from scratch. 'Make America Great Again' has turned to 'Destroy the USA and start something new'.

liar.


You're a poor imitation of Seneca. And you always knew when Seneca had been exposed when he resorted to one/two word responses. You should genuinely be ashamed to post on this forum. You have passionately advocated for the worst President that the USA has ever known. And you also used your passionate advocacy to troll other people.

Honest question, when Trump eventually loses office, will you still support him and believe everything he says. Because your support of him has gone well beyond mere political support and has been religious and spiritual in nature. You don't just vote for him (I'm also guessing you don't live in the USA) you worship him as your guru. You're a fanatic.



Not just the worst- Trump is an open racist. Anyone who says "trump isn't racist " or dismisses it is also most likely a raging racist like Trump


Adding it to the list now. :thumbup:


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What time is the "Two Minutes of Hate" or have I missed it today?


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shanky wrote:
Fangle wrote:
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Fangle wrote:
Yeah! The company who spent millions developing the drugs shouldn’t make any profit from it. Greedy buggers.

Who said that?

The issue is that the drug (as made by Gilead) has had the entire stock for the next three months requisitioned by the US. Whether the drug company is entitled to make a profit on it's IP (which they are) is another issue.

The point is that generic forms of the drug are available, but not to the EU or the UK.

So, how do they get their development money back from these generics?


No one is saying that Fangle

But directing ALL production to one single market, is actually counter productive, no? For political reasons


Precisely.

As an aside, given then age and relatively, until now, cost effectiveness of this drug, I imagine the company who developed it have well and truly recovered their costs.

While there is an obvious profit motive for anyone in the pharmacy game, I believe it is incumbent on them to not take undue advantage of situations like a pandemic, during which they are going to gain handsomely regardless. It's not very Christian to rort and gouge your way through a health crisis.


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A few weeks ago I saw an article from Oxford saying how wonderful they were and were way ahead of everybody. Any idea where they are now?


Crikey! :?


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shanky wrote:
Fangle wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Fangle wrote:
Yeah! The company who spent millions developing the drugs shouldn’t make any profit from it. Greedy buggers.

Who said that?

The issue is that the drug (as made by Gilead) has had the entire stock for the next three months requisitioned by the US. Whether the drug company is entitled to make a profit on it's IP (which they are) is another issue.

The point is that generic forms of the drug are available, but not to the EU or the UK.

So, how do they get their development money back from these generics?


No one is saying that Fangle

But directing ALL production to one single market, is actually counter productive, no? For political reasons


Precisely.

As an aside, given then age and relatively, until now, cost effectiveness of this drug, I imagine the company who developed it have well and truly recovered their costs.

While there is an obvious profit motive for anyone in the pharmacy game, I believe it is incumbent on them to not take undue advantage of situations like a pandemic, during which they are going to gain handsomely regardless. It's not very Christian to rort and gouge your way through a health crisis.



There is no way Gilead will have recovered their costs on remdesivir. It has been licensed for about 1 month and has never been marketed prior to that. It is not an old drug. The first patent related to it was only filed in July 2010.


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Gilead have been looking for a disease for their drug for years, they have ran trials of the drug against everything they could since it was developed, at least two trials were ran against covid. The only statistically significant outcome in the last trial was a faster recovery time, not a lower death rate or reduced chronic residual conditions which were both tested for in the trial.

While Switzerland are starting to add the drug to their treatment options it is not a drug that will have a meaningful impact on a countries outcome, and no country has expressed any concerns about their treatment capacity as a result of losing Remdisivir as an option

I think it is telling that a for-profit drug company took the decision to give the US exclusive access to the drug (for an undisclosed additional fee) rather than hold out for access to other markets.
Either Gilead think the US is going to be the overwhelming largest first world hospitlizations, or the US is the only sucker who value the optics today more than value inherent in the drug.


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Have these t-shirts been done?

https://twitter.com/Almondrobopanda/sta ... 39265?s=19


Seems like something 4071 would be all over. Pretty shocking imagery. Yes, the eagle is a US symbol already, but there are so many different and better ways it could be represented. Also without an incredibly clear slogan attached.


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Have these t-shirts been done?

https://twitter.com/Almondrobopanda/sta ... 39265?s=19


Seems like something 4071 would be all over. Pretty shocking imagery. Yes, the eagle is a US symbol already, but there are so many different and better ways it could be represented. Also without an incredibly clear slogan attached.


You have to think the team who designed that are secretly anti-Trump. I mean who in their right mind would design that?! :uhoh:


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Nolanator wrote:
Have these t-shirts been done?

https://twitter.com/Almondrobopanda/sta ... 39265?s=19


Seems like something 4071 would be all over. Pretty shocking imagery. Yes, the eagle is a US symbol already, but there are so many different and better ways it could be represented. Also without an incredibly clear slogan attached.


You have to think the team who designed that are secretly anti-Trump. I mean who in their right mind would design that?! :uhoh:


Apparently the difference between a racist eagle and a not racist one is whether its head turns left or right.

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Oops. Nancy Pelosi's Mace of the Republic pin.
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You mean the pin that was in use almost 100 years before Naziism was a thing?


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Sensible Stephen wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Have these t-shirts been done?

https://twitter.com/Almondrobopanda/sta ... 39265?s=19


Seems like something 4071 would be all over. Pretty shocking imagery. Yes, the eagle is a US symbol already, but there are so many different and better ways it could be represented. Also without an incredibly clear slogan attached.


You have to think the team who designed that are secretly anti-Trump. I mean who in their right mind would design that?! :uhoh:


Apparently the difference between a racist eagle and a not racist one is whether its head turns left or right.

...


LOL. You are really reaching.


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I prefer the double headed eagle playing golf look.


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Have these t-shirts been done?

https://twitter.com/Almondrobopanda/sta ... 39265?s=19


Seems like something 4071 would be all over. Pretty shocking imagery. Yes, the eagle is a US symbol already, but there are so many different and better ways it could be represented. Also without an incredibly clear slogan attached.


You have to think the team who designed that are secretly anti-Trump. I mean who in their right mind would design that?! :uhoh:


I'd be more inclined to think the team who designed that are right up to the brief and just carrying on what Trump has been openly displaying for years.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:30 am 
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Nolanator wrote:
Have these t-shirts been done?

https://twitter.com/Almondrobopanda/sta ... 39265?s=19


Seems like something 4071 would be all over. Pretty shocking imagery. Yes, the eagle is a US symbol already, but there are so many different and better ways it could be represented. Also without an incredibly clear slogan attached.


as much as I would love to put the boot into Trump/Miller/whoever signed-off on this design, it's not that different to numerous fashy republican eagle logos going way back...

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Sensible Stephen wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Have these t-shirts been done?

https://twitter.com/Almondrobopanda/sta ... 39265?s=19


Seems like something 4071 would be all over. Pretty shocking imagery. Yes, the eagle is a US symbol already, but there are so many different and better ways it could be represented. Also without an incredibly clear slogan attached.


You have to think the team who designed that are secretly anti-Trump. I mean who in their right mind would design that?! :uhoh:


I'd be more inclined to think the team who designed that are right up to the brief and just carrying on what Trump has been openly displaying for years.

reminds me of the kerfuffle re the lufc logo.

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dunno what all the fuss was about myself.


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Petros wrote:
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Who said that?

The issue is that the drug (as made by Gilead) has had the entire stock for the next three months requisitioned by the US. Whether the drug company is entitled to make a profit on it's IP (which they are) is another issue.

The point is that generic forms of the drug are available, but not to the EU or the UK.

So, how do they get their development money back from these generics?


No one is saying that Fangle

But directing ALL production to one single market, is actually counter productive, no? For political reasons


Precisely.

As an aside, given then age and relatively, until now, cost effectiveness of this drug, I imagine the company who developed it have well and truly recovered their costs.

While there is an obvious profit motive for anyone in the pharmacy game, I believe it is incumbent on them to not take undue advantage of situations like a pandemic, during which they are going to gain handsomely regardless. It's not very Christian to rort and gouge your way through a health crisis.



There is no way Gilead will have recovered their costs on remdesivir. It has been licensed for about 1 month and has never been marketed prior to that. It is not an old drug. The first patent related to it was only filed in July 2010.


Sorry,, I was thinking of the steroid that has seen some success in reducing symptoms. My second point still stands. Being in the health game suggests some standards of proprietary in civilised societies. While I don't blame them for favouring their home country, depriving the rest of the world of the opportunity is not a good look. I hope countries have a very long memory for this sort of actions.


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Reddit gets upset with Trump supporters, and other 'malcontents'. Altruism in action.....

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Ted. wrote:
Petros wrote:
Ted. wrote:
shanky wrote:
Fangle wrote:
So, how do they get their development money back from these generics?


No one is saying that Fangle

But directing ALL production to one single market, is actually counter productive, no? For political reasons


Precisely.

As an aside, given then age and relatively, until now, cost effectiveness of this drug, I imagine the company who developed it have well and truly recovered their costs.

While there is an obvious profit motive for anyone in the pharmacy game, I believe it is incumbent on them to not take undue advantage of situations like a pandemic, during which they are going to gain handsomely regardless. It's not very Christian to rort and gouge your way through a health crisis.



There is no way Gilead will have recovered their costs on remdesivir. It has been licensed for about 1 month and has never been marketed prior to that. It is not an old drug. The first patent related to it was only filed in July 2010.


Sorry,, I was thinking of the steroid that has seen some success in reducing symptoms. My second point still stands. Being in the health game suggests some standards of proprietary in civilised societies. While I don't blame them for favouring their home country, depriving the rest of the world of the opportunity is not a good look. I hope countries have a very long memory for this sort of actions.

On a personal level as I am in a high risk category, I hope that the USA keeps enough stock so I can have access to the drug should I need it.


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Anonymous. wrote:
Sensible Stephen wrote:
Nolanator wrote:
Have these t-shirts been done?

https://twitter.com/Almondrobopanda/sta ... 39265?s=19


Seems like something 4071 would be all over. Pretty shocking imagery. Yes, the eagle is a US symbol already, but there are so many different and better ways it could be represented. Also without an incredibly clear slogan attached.


You have to think the team who designed that are secretly anti-Trump. I mean who in their right mind would design that?! :uhoh:


I'd be more inclined to think the team who designed that are right up to the brief and just carrying on what Trump has been openly displaying for years.

reminds me of the kerfuffle re the lufc logo.

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dunno what all the fuss was about myself.

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