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Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:51 pm

obelixtim wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:48 pm

How to start a koo.

Is he checking Pelosi's search history?

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:14 pm

Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:53 pm


While I agree that social media platforms get away with far too much and retain too much power without having the same constraints as media companies, if you don't like the platform, don't use it. Capiche?

If you and other's think, i.e. the public in general of a particular country it is so important, perhaps there should be a public version ..... oops, communism won't do.

There isn't just a binary choice here though. You can like a company but still advocate against the flaws in the system. Options in society, politics and economics are not just a choice between unfettered free market capitalism and communism.

shanky wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:40 am Ha ha

Ted with the whole ‘logical rationale’ thing, hoping it helps.

Ha ha. Silly Ted

flaggETERNAL wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:42 am Has anything else been said about impeachment or invoking the 25th?

Has Trump said anything in the past 24 hours? The list of sites hes banned from is nuts. From Twitter to Reddit, even saw Pinterest there I think.

terangi48 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:28 pm Comment on Twitter:..........have not got Twitter.....never had Twitter.....couldn't give an arse about Twitter......will never get Twitter.

However.......

Don't think I have to, as every other form of social and news media broadcast the sensational comments on their behalf. It seems most of what has been on the news lately is some journos reaction, outrage, support of, trolling, of people of "fame" to fill "news" and gossip columns.

I'm really looking forward to the day when news services return to reporting factual (true) news events, written in the third person:....and omit personal comment, opinions, use of first person language (Reporter comment: What do we know....inserting themselves as event participants).

To get balance in this day and age, charts like the following have become important to get a balance on what is being reported, and to get around bias......it's up to the reader to figure out what is fact.....supposition ........or bullshit by reading and questioning more widely.

Spoiler: show

Ted. wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:38 am

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:14 pm

Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:53 pm


While I agree that social media platforms get away with far too much and retain too much power without having the same constraints as media companies, if you don't like the platform, don't use it. Capiche?

If you and other's think, i.e. the public in general of a particular country it is so important, perhaps there should be a public version ..... oops, communism won't do.

There isn't just a binary choice here though. You can like a company but still advocate against the flaws in the system. Options in society, politics and economics are not just a choice between unfettered free market capitalism and communism.

No there is not and I didn't suggest that there was only one choice. I merely pointed out that if you don't like a platform, you have a choice not to use it. Neither you, I, Mick or Trump are compelled to use Twitter or any other social media platform. You have options, including doing nothing.

If you do wish to use a Twitter, for e.g. you are asked top abide by its rules, which are enforced by the company as it sees fit. If that enforcement is inconsistent, that is up to the company. If you really have a problem with it, you have options such as attempt legal redress for your injury, have a whinge on another platform, stamp your foot or write to your MP.

What I think you might be trying to say, is that you are uncomfortable with the power that media platforms have gained, by default in many ways, and hold without too much oversight. If so, then we are both on the same page.

I would also agree if you held the view that Trump is a giant blubbering fanny who, on the one hand tried to reign in the media companies, while on the other sought unfettered rights of use. It is obvious that he had little clue what he was actually seeking to do and how to achieve it effectively. Most likely it was at the behest of some advisor or favourite crony/quid pro quo deal, rather than something that came out of his own muddled thought processes.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:45 am

flaggETERNAL wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:42 am Has anything else been said about impeachment or invoking the 25th?

Has Trump said anything in the past 24 hours? The list of sites hes banned from is nuts. From Twitter to Reddit, even saw Pinterest there I think.

The Dems are putting together an impeachment bill. It is almost certain to be blocked by the Senate, but at least the GOP Senators will be forced to show their hand, and show the world if they support armed insurrections.

UncleFB wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:47 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:38 am

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:14 pm

Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:53 pm


While I agree that social media platforms get away with far too much and retain too much power without having the same constraints as media companies, if you don't like the platform, don't use it. Capiche?

If you and other's think, i.e. the public in general of a particular country it is so important, perhaps there should be a public version ..... oops, communism won't do.

There isn't just a binary choice here though. You can like a company but still advocate against the flaws in the system. Options in society, politics and economics are not just a choice between unfettered free market capitalism and communism.

No there is not and I didn't suggest that there was only one choice. I merely pointed out that if you don't like a platform, you have a choice not to use it. Neither you, I, Mick or Trump are compelled to use Twitter or any other social media platform. You have options, including doing nothing.

If you do wish to use a Twitter, for e.g. you are asked top abide by its rules, which are enforced by the company as it sees fit. If that enforcement is inconsistent, that is up to the company. If you really have a problem with it, you have options such as attempt legal redress for your injury, have a whinge on another platform, stamp your foot or write to your MP.

What I think you might be trying to say, is that you are uncomfortable with the power that media platforms have gained, by default in many ways, and hold without too much oversight. If so, then we are both on the same page.

I would also agree if you held the view that Trump is a giant blubbering fanny who, on the one hand tried to reign in the media companies, while on the other sought unfettered rights of use. It is obvious that he had little clue what he was actually seeking to do and how to achieve it effectively. Most likely it was at the behest of some advisor or favourite crony/quid pro quo deal, rather than something that came out of his own muddled thought processes.

I'm more uncomfortable that Twitter is considered a crucial part of political communication by some. It's a 240 word character social media platform. It's not like Trump doesn't have other avenues to get his (dis)information out there.

flaggETERNAL wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:42 am Has anything else been said about impeachment or invoking the 25th?

Has Trump said anything in the past 24 hours? The list of sites hes banned from is nuts. From Twitter to Reddit, even saw Pinterest there I think.

The Optimist wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:51 pm

Trump using a new twitter handle @mickmancock

flaggETERNAL wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:53 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:45 am

flaggETERNAL wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:42 am Has anything else been said about impeachment or invoking the 25th?

Has Trump said anything in the past 24 hours? The list of sites hes banned from is nuts. From Twitter to Reddit, even saw Pinterest there I think.

The Dems are putting together an impeachment bill. It is almost certain to be blocked by the Senate, but at least the GOP Senators will be forced to show their hand, and show the world if they support armed insurrections.

It is amazing that they've already spun this thing and their supporters are lapping it up. One would think that in any other country the GOP would have been gone years ago as a political force. Not in America though.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:04 am Democrats have announced that they will present their impeachment bill to the House on Monday.

Ted. wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:38 am

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:14 pm

Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:53 pm


While I agree that social media platforms get away with far too much and retain too much power without having the same constraints as media companies, if you don't like the platform, don't use it. Capiche?

If you and other's think, i.e. the public in general of a particular country it is so important, perhaps there should be a public version ..... oops, communism won't do.

There isn't just a binary choice here though. You can like a company but still advocate against the flaws in the system. Options in society, politics and economics are not just a choice between unfettered free market capitalism and communism.

No there is not and I didn't suggest that there was only one choice. I merely pointed out that if you don't like a platform, you have a choice not to use it. Neither you, I, Mick or Trump are compelled to use Twitter or any other social media platform. You have options, including doing nothing.

If you do wish to use a Twitter, for e.g. you are asked top abide by its rules, which are enforced by the company as it sees fit. If that enforcement is inconsistent, that is up to the company. If you really have a problem with it, you have options such as attempt legal redress for your injury, have a whinge on another platform, stamp your foot or write to your MP.

What I think you might be trying to say, is that you are uncomfortable with the power that media platforms have gained, by default in many ways, and hold without too much oversight. If so, then we are both on the same page.

I would also agree if you held the view that Trump is a giant blubbering fanny who, on the one hand tried to reign in the media companies, while on the other sought unfettered rights of use. It is obvious that he had little clue what he was actually seeking to do and how to achieve it effectively. Most likely it was at the behest of some advisor or favourite crony/quid pro quo deal, rather than something that came out of his own muddled thought processes.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:11 am I can't see enough GOP Senators crossing the floor to impeach their President.

Enzedder wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:11 am I wonder if this will just add fuel to the fire though.

Enzedder wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:11 am I wonder if this will just add fuel to the fire though.

merry! wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:34 am reckon the don will wear 2 impeachments from the swamp with pride.

bit like getting insults from the weirdos here.

To anyone complaining about a private media company kicking Trump of their platform:

Think of Twitter as a Christian bakery and Trump as a gay wedding cake.

Harveys wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:48 am

To anyone complaining about a private media company kicking trump of their platform:

Think of Twitter as a Christian bakery and Trump as a gay wedding cake.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:39 am CNN reporting that the a large group of New York firefighters were involved in the storming of the Capitol Building. The reality is that there were many thousands of people involved with this riot, and the participants will come from all vocations and walks of life. They won't all be loners, hermits or gun shop owners.

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:11 am

Ted. wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:38 am

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:14 pm

Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:53 pm


While I agree that social media platforms get away with far too much and retain too much power without having the same constraints as media companies, if you don't like the platform, don't use it. Capiche?

If you and other's think, i.e. the public in general of a particular country it is so important, perhaps there should be a public version ..... oops, communism won't do.

There isn't just a binary choice here though. You can like a company but still advocate against the flaws in the system. Options in society, politics and economics are not just a choice between unfettered free market capitalism and communism.

No there is not and I didn't suggest that there was only one choice. I merely pointed out that if you don't like a platform, you have a choice not to use it. Neither you, I, Mick or Trump are compelled to use Twitter or any other social media platform. You have options, including doing nothing.

If you do wish to use a Twitter, for e.g. you are asked top abide by its rules, which are enforced by the company as it sees fit. If that enforcement is inconsistent, that is up to the company. If you really have a problem with it, you have options such as attempt legal redress for your injury, have a whinge on another platform, stamp your foot or write to your MP.

What I think you might be trying to say, is that you are uncomfortable with the power that media platforms have gained, by default in many ways, and hold without too much oversight. If so, then we are both on the same page.

That is very much my point. As I said before it's their influence and importance to wider social and political discourse that elevates what they are to public life. In 2011 the Un declared that the Internet is now a human right, because it is a key way in which people can exercise their right to freedom of opinion and expression, as stated in Art. 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. It is clear that Social Media is an integral part of this in today's society. Hence my position that they can't simply be regarded as private companies anymore and that such power and influence is in the control of self-serving giant corporations is unethical, even when they are taking the right actions.

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:10 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:04 am Democrats have announced that they will present their impeachment bill to the House on Monday.

I think this will succeed

Simple majority needed in house to impeach, super majority needed in senate to convict Trump. There are enough republicans who will support this.

TEDS wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:13 am

iarmhiman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:10 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:04 am Democrats have announced that they will present their impeachment bill to the House on Monday.

I think this will succeed

Simple majority needed in house to impeach, super majority needed in senate to convict Trump. There are enough republicans who will support this.

Important that it does succeed as it will mean Trump cannot be president again. That's why he's shitting himself now as this would potentially remove his major money making opportunity for the next 4 years.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:11 am I can't see enough GOP Senators crossing the floor to impeach their President.

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:19 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:11 am I can't see enough GOP Senators crossing the floor to impeach their President.

At least make them vote on it.

merry! wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:34 am reckon the don will wear 2 impeachments from the swamp with pride.

bit like getting insults from the weirdos here.

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:21 am

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:19 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:11 am I can't see enough GOP Senators crossing the floor to impeach their President.

At least make them vote on it.

Oh I agree. Make them accountable.

merry! wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:34 am reckon the don will wear 2 impeachments from the swamp with pride.

bit like getting insults from the weirdos here.

obelixtim wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:29 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:21 am

Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:19 am

Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:11 am I can't see enough GOP Senators crossing the floor to impeach their President.

At least make them vote on it.

Oh I agree. Make them accountable.

Yes it will, because the vote would be in public, but I wonder if a secret ballot would definitely see him impeached. I think there would be a few republican senators would vote for it if they were allowed to remain anonymous. It would mean the sycophants could claim they rejected the idea, but would shield the ones who voted for it from some backlash from the mob.

An interesting point was made by Rachael Maddow, which was because it takes a super majority of member present to convict, if 15 - 20 just didn't show up, it would effectively give the Dems enough with a few republican backers, to convict him.

Ted. wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:02 am Following recent events in the US of A, Mexico has decided is will pay for the wall after all and now Canada has wants a wall too.