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There's no way of reconciling with his hardened supporters - the Dems would be wasting their time being concilatory.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:18 amIt will add fuel to the fire, but given Trump's supporters have already stormed the Capitol, ransacked the Capitol building and murdered law enforcement officers, what option do Trump's opponents have? Not act to placate the mob?
Not sure about that. There are only 4 that we know of: Sasse, Murkowksi, Romney, Kritzinger (sp).iarmhiman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:10 amI think this will succeedAli's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:04 am Democrats have announced that they will present their impeachment bill to the House on Monday.
Simple majority needed in house to impeach, super majority needed in senate to convict Trump. There are enough republicans who will support this.
gulags?ovalball wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:56 amThere's no way of reconciling with his hardened supporters - the Dems would be wasting their time being concilatory.Ali's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:18 amIt will add fuel to the fire, but given Trump's supporters have already stormed the Capitol, ransacked the Capitol building and murdered law enforcement officers, what option do Trump's opponents have? Not act to placate the mob?
Floppykid wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:43 am https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status ... 3213837319
Nice.
Parler getting wrecked.
Hopefully all right wingers will be driven offline completely, that's the dream.
It is straight out of the Dubya playbook of using the words “Saddam Hussein, al qaeda, and 9/11” in the same sentence over and over and over again, but when pressed on why he accused Saddam of being involved in 9/11, he could truthfully say that he never specifically accused him of that.Fat Old Git wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:08 am After years of hearing about Trump's masterful 4D chess skills, Some would now have me believe he didn't have anything to do with the storming of the Capital.
Spreads lies on social media.
Labels press enemies of the people.
Winds large crowd up with more of these lies.
Talks about needing to fight, be strong, stopping the steal etc.
Said "we're" going to march on the capital.
But what happened has nothing to do with him...
Mmmmmmm
Here's another view from the NZ Privacy Commissioner:UncleFB wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:04 amTBH, that doesn't fly to me. Twitter is not the internet, FB is not the internet (although they try to be in some countries), YT is not the internet, Planet Rugby forum is not the internet.eldanielfire wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:11 amThat is very much my point. As I said before it's their influence and importance to wider social and political discourse that elevates what they are to public life. In 2011 the Un declared that the Internet is now a human right, because it is a key way in which people can exercise their right to freedom of opinion and expression, as stated in Art. 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. It is clear that Social Media is an integral part of this in today's society. Hence my position that they can't simply be regarded as private companies anymore and that such power and influence is in the control of self-serving giant corporations is unethical, even when they are taking the right actions.Ted. wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:38 amNo there is not and I didn't suggest that there was only one choice. I merely pointed out that if you don't like a platform, you have a choice not to use it. Neither you, I, Mick or Trump are compelled to use Twitter or any other social media platform. You have options, including doing nothing.eldanielfire wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:14 pmThere isn't just a binary choice here though. You can like a company but still advocate against the flaws in the system. Options in society, politics and economics are not just a choice between unfettered free market capitalism and communism.Ted. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:53 pm
While I agree that social media platforms get away with far too much and retain too much power without having the same constraints as media companies, if you don't like the platform, don't use it. Capiche?
If you and other's think, i.e. the public in general of a particular country it is so important, perhaps there should be a public version ..... oops, communism won't do.
If you do wish to use a Twitter, for e.g. you are asked top abide by its rules, which are enforced by the company as it sees fit. If that enforcement is inconsistent, that is up to the company. If you really have a problem with it, you have options such as attempt legal redress for your injury, have a whinge on another platform, stamp your foot or write to your MP.
What I think you might be trying to say, is that you are uncomfortable with the power that media platforms have gained, by default in many ways, and hold without too much oversight. If so, then we are both on the same page.
Why should one social media platform (Twitter) be subject to one set of laws, while another (Planet Rugby forum) doesn't have to be? If it's all about size then how to we decide what size meets the threshold for them to be compelled to allow anything goes. Are bitchute/parler large enough yet, or can they be echo chambers until they reach a larger size?
Why should one type of media (internet) be compelled to provide pollies unfiltered/unedited access when others (broadcast) aren't required to?
Edit: None of the above should be taken to mean that I think there should be no regulation of social media at all.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/123908 ... nd-cynicalNZ privacy commissioner says social media bans on Trump 'arbitrary and cynical'
Privacy commissioner John Edwards has criticised the Twitter and Facebook bans on President Trump, as “arbitrary and cynical” and described the social media platforms as “conflicted”.
Edwards, who has strongly butted heads with social media platforms in the past, indicated that he believed bans should be subject to new laws, and left to regulators.
“The Twitter and Facebook bans are arbitrary, cynical, unprincipled and further evidence that regulation of social media platforms is urgently required,” Edwards tweeted.
“We should not be abdicating responsibility for the tough policy decisions required, and delegating responsibility for our community standards to conflicted corporates,” he said. ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.htmlOn the cusp of the second impeachment battle in just over a year, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is circulating a memo to Republican senators that outlines how a potential Senate trial would work for President Trump — proceedings that would all but certainly occur after he leaves the White House.
In the memo, obtained by The Washington Post, McConnell’s office notes that the Senate will not reconvene for substantive business until Jan. 19, which means the earliest possible date that impeachment trial proceedings can begin in the Senate is the day before President-elect Joe Biden is inaugurated.
Romney, Toomey, Murkowski, Collins, Burr maybe Sasse and maybe Sasse. Need 12 more from there.iarmhiman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:10 amI think this will succeedAli's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:04 am Democrats have announced that they will present their impeachment bill to the House on Monday.
Simple majority needed in house to impeach, super majority needed in senate to convict Trump. There are enough republicans who will support this.
SMH... it’s hardly surprising and those who enabled this shitshow of a “presidency” are just as guilty as the orange shitgibbonFat Old Git wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:50 am Just seen a report on TV with a republican
senator ( I think that who they said he was) who was apparently it the Whitehouse while the capital was being stormed. Trump was apparently delighted, but confused as to why most of the rest of his team didn't share that reaction.
Just seen the interview again on another channel. Senator Ben Sasse I think it was.Hong Kong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:08 amSMH... it’s hardly surprising and those who enabled this shitshow of a “presidency” are just as guilty as the orange shitgibbonFat Old Git wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:50 am Just seen a report on TV with a republican
senator ( I think that who they said he was) who was apparently it the Whitehouse while the capital was being stormed. Trump was apparently delighted, but confused as to why most of the rest of his team didn't share that reaction.
According to reports I've read, Ben Sasse was in the Capitol, not the White House, at the time of the violence. Here's a report on the comments he made - they don't say where he was, but it's clear that he was in the Capitol with all the others. So, whilst it may probably be true (about Trump), I don't think he had 1st hand knowledge of it.Fat Old Git wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:13 amJust seen the interview again on another channel. Senator Ben Sasse I think it was.Hong Kong wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:08 amSMH... it’s hardly surprising and those who enabled this shitshow of a “presidency” are just as guilty as the orange shitgibbonFat Old Git wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:50 am Just seen a report on TV with a republican
senator ( I think that who they said he was) who was apparently it the Whitehouse while the capital was being stormed. Trump was apparently delighted, but confused as to why most of the rest of his team didn't share that reaction.
Michael Sherwin, acting U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, said that his office has started a federal, excessive force investigation over the shooting and killing of former U.S. Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt in the Capitol on Jan. 6.
Sherwin confirmed the investigation with CBS News.
His civil rights section will lead the prosecution, which is being investigated by D.C. police and the FBI.
The Epoch Times hasn’t been able to independently verify the investigation.
The U.S. Attorney Office of the District of Columbia refused to comment on the reported investigation.
The FBI and The U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) didn’t respond to a request for comment.
On Jan. 6, Trump supporters marched on foot to the Capitol after President Donald Trump gave a speech near the White House. Trump thanked his supporters for being present and listed a series of voting irregularities that happened in different states, alleging there was widespread fraud. Rudy Giuliani, the president’s attorney, also gave a speech listing evidence for the alleged fraud.
Babbitt entered the Capitol building with a group of protesters, including left-wing activist John Sullivan.
A man in a widely circulated video of the shooting of U.S. Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt, 28-year-old Thomas Baranyi, later gave a recount of what happened.
A reporter from CBS affiliate WKRG interviewed him after he stormed the Capitol with protestors and Ashli Babbitt.
“We had stormed into the chambers inside and there was a young lady who rushed to the windows,” Baranyi said “A number of police and Secret Service were saying ‘get back, get down, get out of the way.’ She didn’t heed the call.”
He said that he tried to pull her back when she got fatally shot.
“And as we kind of raced up to grab people and pull them back, they shot her in the neck, and she fell back on me and started to say she was fine. It’s cool. And then she started moving weird and blood was coming out of her mouth and neck and nose,” Baranyi said.
“Just make sure people know, because this cannot stand anymore. This is wrong. They don’t represent anyone. Not Republican, Democrat, Independent, nobody. And now they’ll just, they’ll kill people,” Baranyi added.
Tony Mazziott, Babbitt’s grandfather, told ABC News’ “Good Morning America” that she was an “excellent patriot” and a “loving person.”
“She served time in the military and she’s passionate about everything, particularly Donald Trump for some reason,” he said. Family members said Babbitt served more than a decade in the Air Force.
Whilst she clearly was committing a crime, it's still a tragic and needless loss of life. I feel for her family and friends.Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:45 am Anyway
Federal Prosecutor Opens Excessive Force Investigation Into the Death of Ashli Babbitt: Report
BY SAMUEL ALLEGRI January 9, 2021 Updated: January 9, 2021
Michael Sherwin, acting U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, said that his office has started a federal, excessive force investigation over the shooting and killing of former U.S. Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt in the Capitol on Jan. 6.
Sherwin confirmed the investigation with CBS News.
His civil rights section will lead the prosecution, which is being investigated by D.C. police and the FBI.
The Epoch Times hasn’t been able to independently verify the investigation.
The U.S. Attorney Office of the District of Columbia refused to comment on the reported investigation.
The FBI and The U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) didn’t respond to a request for comment.
On Jan. 6, Trump supporters marched on foot to the Capitol after President Donald Trump gave a speech near the White House. Trump thanked his supporters for being present and listed a series of voting irregularities that happened in different states, alleging there was widespread fraud. Rudy Giuliani, the president’s attorney, also gave a speech listing evidence for the alleged fraud.
Babbitt entered the Capitol building with a group of protesters, including left-wing activist John Sullivan.
A man in a widely circulated video of the shooting of U.S. Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt, 28-year-old Thomas Baranyi, later gave a recount of what happened.
A reporter from CBS affiliate WKRG interviewed him after he stormed the Capitol with protestors and Ashli Babbitt.
“We had stormed into the chambers inside and there was a young lady who rushed to the windows,” Baranyi said “A number of police and Secret Service were saying ‘get back, get down, get out of the way.’ She didn’t heed the call.”
He said that he tried to pull her back when she got fatally shot.
“And as we kind of raced up to grab people and pull them back, they shot her in the neck, and she fell back on me and started to say she was fine. It’s cool. And then she started moving weird and blood was coming out of her mouth and neck and nose,” Baranyi said.
“Just make sure people know, because this cannot stand anymore. This is wrong. They don’t represent anyone. Not Republican, Democrat, Independent, nobody. And now they’ll just, they’ll kill people,” Baranyi added.
Tony Mazziott, Babbitt’s grandfather, told ABC News’ “Good Morning America” that she was an “excellent patriot” and a “loving person.”
“She served time in the military and she’s passionate about everything, particularly Donald Trump for some reason,” he said. Family members said Babbitt served more than a decade in the Air Force.
I agree with all of that.Whilst she clearly was committing a crime, it's still a tragic and needless loss of life. I feel for her family and friends.
Took that one to heart, eh.Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:18 amI have not posted any links to Twitter.
Apart from one pic
Oh yes, Newsome...a poster who would have liked my mother to have been sterilised.
You may not like me, but I do not think I have ever trolled another poster's mother, or suggested she should have been sterilised.Newsome wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:38 amTook that one to heart, eh.Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:18 amI have not posted any links to Twitter.
Apart from one pic
Oh yes, Newsome...a poster who would have liked my mother to have been sterilised.
Maybe if you had known who your dad was you might not have grown up to be a snowflake pussy.
What the fudge mate. You are a disgrace. fudge off to some other forum would you.Newsome wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:38 amTook that one to heart, eh.Mick Mannock wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:18 amI have not posted any links to Twitter.
Apart from one pic
Oh yes, Newsome...a poster who would have liked my mother to have been sterilised.
Maybe if you had known who your dad was you might not have grown up to be a snowflake pussy.
You gotta feel for the guy. All the predictions he’s made are laughingly on fire. The people he supported have outed themselves as fascists. Mick wanted a culture war, but when the other side hit back, his fascists were laid bare as weaklings with nothing more than ignorance and confederate flags.
I don't like Mick very much either, but Newsome has gone well overboard here.towny wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:27 amYou gotta feel for the guy. All the predictions he’s made are laughingly on fire. The people he supported have outed themselves as fascists. Mick wanted a culture war, but when the other side hit back, his fascists were laid bare as weaklings with nothing more than ignorance and confederate flags.
Mick has to come to terms with who he has been the last year or so. It’s up to him if he wants to be a better human in 2021.
