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Couple of big outliers distorting the mean. Anyone know what the median is?


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Exclusive: President Trump's top trade adviser, Peter Navarro, recommended appointing Stefan Halper, an academic and suspected FBI informant on the Trump campaign, to a senior role in the Trump administration, Axios has learned.

The call was coming from inside the house!

So that's the end of the trade wars stuff.

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On China, Barriers and Tariffs to come down for first time.
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So it's settled.


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Couple of big outliers distorting the mean. Anyone know what the median is?


Six weeks.



The big outliers are the investigations. Anyone care to cite a short investigation?

Thought not


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Couple of big outliers distorting the mean. Anyone know what the median is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw36ivnRHRQ
Lot of scrans in the old duders head!


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The lesson here is not to speak any language other than English when in the US

First that racist ICE-calling lawyer in NYC.

Now this.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... anish.html


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Interestingly Whitewater and Iran/Contra add 400 days to the average length of investigation so if you remove those then the average length of a special investigation is 500 days. Given that this one was inherited from a year long (at least) investigation by Comey then it is hitting about average.


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What if you add any related pre-existing investigations to all the other ones though?


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What if you add any related pre-existing investigations to all the other ones though?


Don't know. Most of them weren't convened under the same circumstances I think. This one was only convened because Comey was fired. The appointment letter is explicit about it inheriting that investigation.


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 6:58 am 
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What if you add any related pre-existing investigations to all the other ones though?


Don't know. Most of them weren't convened under the same circumstances I think. This one was only convened because Comey was fired. The appointment letter is explicit about it inheriting that investigation.


Sure, but they all started somewhere.


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What if you add any related pre-existing investigations to all the other ones though?


Don't know. Most of them weren't convened under the same circumstances I think. This one was only convened because Comey was fired. The appointment letter is explicit about it inheriting that investigation.


Sure, but they all started somewhere.


Sure. And sure I'm playing with numbers, though in a not unreasonable way. But it's no less disingenuous than counting those laughable indictments against Russians and Russian companies as an indicator of the success of this investigation. Not to mention that most of the remaining indictments have not been for crimes committed outside of the investigation but instead for the process crime of lying to the FBI, even though the FBI previously said that Flynn didn't even lie.


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What if you add any related pre-existing investigations to all the other ones though?


Don't know. Most of them weren't convened under the same circumstances I think. This one was only convened because Comey was fired. The appointment letter is explicit about it inheriting that investigation.


Sure, but they all started somewhere.


Sure. And sure I'm playing with numbers, though in a not unreasonable way. But it's no less disingenuous than counting those laughable indictments against Russians and Russian companies as an indicator of the success of this investigation. Not to mention that most of the remaining indictments have not been for crimes committed outside of the investigation but instead for the process crime of lying to the FBI, even though the FBI previously said that Flynn didn't even lie.


It's a very boring, static old world, isn't it.


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http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... l-mistakes

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Great to see Trump is looking to destabilize a foreign government.

It worked so well in the past.

That Pompeo chap sounds like a complete idiot.


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 12:57 pm 
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http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/388721-wh-aides-intentionally-compose-trump-tweets-with-grammatical-mistakes

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Not at all surprised by that. Lots of what he does is calculated. It's why the covfefe jokes were so stupid.


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Calculated to cheapen the office of the President and make him look like a f**king moron thin-skinned manchild?

If so, mission very definitely accomplished.


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Calculated to cheapen the office of the President and make him look like a f**king moron thin-skinned manchild?

If so, mission very definitely accomplished.


To be fair, that is not a particularly onerous task.


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Quick reacharound there lads?


Couldn't reach around the Don, his arse is too big


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Bowens wrote:
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http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/388721-wh-aides-intentionally-compose-trump-tweets-with-grammatical-mistakes

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Not at all surprised by that. Lots of what he does is calculated. It's why the covfefe jokes were so stupid.


Given that his ex-golf caddy runs his social media strategy one wonders how much Trump even writes. Anyway can you imagine how funny it would be to sit down every day and rattle off a few official Trump tweets. :lol:


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A big reward for all the principled Jill Stein Voters!
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www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna876306


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http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/388721-wh-aides-intentionally-compose-trump-tweets-with-grammatical-mistakes

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Not at all surprised by that. Lots of what he does is calculated. It's why the covfefe jokes were so stupid.


Given that his ex-golf caddy runs his social media strategy one wonders how much Trump even writes. Anyway can you imagine how funny it would be to sit down every day and rattle off a few official Trump tweets. :lol:


Today's Boston Globe.

Trump’s tweets include grammatical errors. And some are on purpose

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WASHINGTON — The hallmark of President Trump’s Twitter feed is that it sounds like him — grammatical miscues and all.

But it’s not always Trump tapping out a Tweet, even when it sounds like his voice. West Wing employees who draft proposed tweets intentionally employ suspect grammar and staccato syntax in order to mimic the president’s style, according to two people familiar with the process.

They overuse the exclamation point! They Capitalize random words for emphasis. Fragments. Loosely connected ideas. All part of a process that is not as spontaneous as Trump’s Twitter feed often appears.

Presidential speechwriters have always sought to channel their bosses’ style and cadence, but Trump’s team is blazing new ground with its approach to his favorite means of instant communication. Some staff members even relish the scoldings Trump gets from elites shocked by the Trumpian language they strive to imitate, believing that debates over presidential typos fortify the belief within his base that he has the common touch.

His staff has become so adept at replicating Trump’s tone that people who follow his feed closely say it is getting harder to discern which tweets were actually crafted by Trump sitting in his bathrobe and watching “Fox & Friends” and which were concocted by his communications team.

Those familiar with the process wouldn’t fess up to which tweets were staff-written. But an algorithm crafted by a writer at The Atlantic to determine real versus staff-written tweets suggested several were not written by the president, despite the unusual use of the language.

“Looking forward to greeting the Hostages (no longer) at 2:00 A.M.” someone tweeted from Trump’s account at 6:41 p.m. May 9. The Atlantic’s analysis pegged it 17 percent likely written by Trump, based on a complex comparison with past Trump tweets.

Staff-written tweets do go through a West Wing process of sorts. When a White House employee wants the president to tweet about a topic, the official writes a memo to the president that includes three or four sample tweets, according to those familiar with the process.

Trump then picks the one he likes best, according to the two people, neither of whom wanted to be named because they’re not authorized to talk about the operations. Sometimes Trump will edit the wording and sometimes he’ll just pick his favorite for blasting out to his 52 million Twitter followers.

While staff members do consciously use poor grammar, they do not intentionally misspell words or names, one person familiar with the process explained.

“Tweets that are proposed are in his voice,” said one of the people. “You want to do it in a way that fits his style.”

Dan Scavino, who is the White House director of social media and keeper of Trump’s twitter account, didn’t respond to a request for comment. A White House spokesman declined to comment.

The process is quite different from how other leaders have operated.

Mitt Romney’s failed 2012 campaign famously required 22 different people to sign off on a Tweet, a laborious process that robbed any sense of spontaneity or authenticity from the messages. But they were grammatically sound.

Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama also had controls in place intended to be sure their messages were largely spotless.

It’s been long understood that some of Trump’s tweets are composed by his staff. During the campaign, Trump used an Android phone to tweet while most of his staff used iPhones. This provided a reasonable guide to determine whether or not a tweet came directly from him.

But now Trump has an iPhone, making it more difficult to determine the true author. To help with this there’s also a Twitter account called @TrumpOrNotBot that rates the authenticity of Tweets sent via Trump’s personal account.

“When the Twitter account is so central to his identity, it was interesting to know if a message is from his voice or is staff-written,” said Andrew McGill, a senior product manager and writer at The Atlantic, who created the bot. He launched the project in March 2017.

McGill’s program analyzed hundreds of tweets written by Trump before he was president and detected patterns in his use of language.

Each tweet sent from the president’s current account is compared with the older ones, and the bot assigns a percentage chance that Trump was the real author of each message.

On Sunday, for example, the president issued a tweet focused on the private server Hillary Clinton used when she was secretary of state. “What ever happened to the Server, at the center of so much Corruption, that the Democratic National Committee REFUSED to hand over to the hard charging (except in the case of Democrats) FBI?” McGill’s bot found there was a 96 percent chance the message was written by Trump.

The bot found there was only a 36 percent chance that a message sent Thursday was drafted by the president: “Tomorrow, the House will vote on a strong Farm Bill, which includes work requirements. We must support our Nation’s great farmers!”

But McGill suspects his bot has gotten less accurate over time. “They’ve gotten increasingly sophisticated about mimicking him online,’’ he said.

Some clues are still seen as reliable. Tweets that include photographs or videos are likely composed by staff. And ones that have hashtags are also likely staff-written, McGill said.

Martha Brockenbrough, founder of the Society for the Promotion of Good Grammar, said that the president’s disregard for standard English plays into the public persona he has created for himself that he’s a man of the people, despite his billions.

“Grammatical conventions tend to be elitist and always have been,” said Brockenbrough. “The lack of regard for it, and the fact that he’s now having American tax dollars fund people to ape his style, is meant to poke people like you and me in the eye — people for whom language matters.”

Trump’s grammatical gaffes often spark rounds of online mocking — debates that Trump doesn’t mind having.

“If the political conversation is about Donald Trump’s typos, that plays into the narrative that the coastal elites don’t understand ordinary Americans who make typos,” said Stephen Farnsworth, a political science professor at the University of Mary Washington in Virginia. Farnsworth recently wrote a book on how presidents connect to supporters.

But the country’s most sophisticated guardians of language say there’s a more insidious motive for Trump’s disregard for the rules of English.

“The president’s use of language, like his White House, is chaotic. But that is not necessarily a problem in itself,” said Langdon Hammer, chairman of Yale University’s English Department. “It’s what he uses language for — the strategic interests served by his sloppiness.”

Hammer said that Trump’s particular style allows him “to speak vaguely, equivocate, insinuate, inflame, and intimidate.”

The consequence, according to Hammer: “He doesn’t treat speech as something to stand by and take responsibility for. Sad!”


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So two unnamed staffers well acquainted with the situation are trying to put outback the idea that some of the Orange shitgibbons twatterings are done by staffers and are deliberately grammatically fooked to give the impression that are really from his orangeness?

I’ll leave aside the hypocrisy of using unnamed sources and instead question the desperation needed by his orangeness to embellish his buffoonery


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So, let's get this straight:

Trump deliberately used the word 'Covfefe" in order to trigger liberals and make them fall into some kind of trap?

He tweets like a simpleton in order to make us look foolish?

That's some 4D chess grandmaster, if true.

No wonder Sen, Santa and Bones are besides themselves in open-mouthed admiration!


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No wonder Sen, Santa and Bones are besides themselves in open-mouthed admiration!


Try again.

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He's a complete tool of the GOP establishment, breaking most election promises, especially on trade, foreign military intervention and infrastructure projects. What he has done is cut taxes for the rich, slash environmental regulations for corporations and cater to his AIPAC donors. Same old Republican shit. Sad that so many independent voters fell for his act. Won't happen again.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-st ... 2018-05-21


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Interesting thread BTW

https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson ... 7279852544


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I saw on twitter, one of his threads was at 141 and he was stopping to walk his dogs. Guys coining it apparently.


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The lesson here is not to speak any language other than English when in the US

First that racist ICE-calling lawyer in NYC.

Now this.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... anish.html


They are emboldened by the rise of Trump. You see the racist lady that shouted that a guy in a car had a gun even though he didn't? Thankfully the guy had a witness.


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Bowens wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
No wonder Sen, Santa and Bones are besides themselves in open-mouthed admiration!


Try again.

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He's a complete tool of the GOP establishment, breaking most election promises, especially on trade, foreign military intervention and infrastructure projects. What he has done is cut taxes for the rich, slash environmental regulations for corporations and cater to his AIPAC donors. Same old Republican shit. Sad that so many independent voters fell for his act. Won't happen again.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-st ... 2018-05-21


I get you on that but covfefe was just an accident. Didn't finish his thought and accidently hit send. As a rule he won't apologize publicly for anything so he wasn't gonna admit it was a mistake. Much like how his staffer never delivered that public apology to McCain's daughter but team GOP let that slide.


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The guy has been on Twitter how many years? I think a lot of it is just to wind people up. I mean, if his staffers imitate his punctuation and general style of writing ("mistakes" and all) it's pretty clear it's deliberate. They want the MSM to nitpick and look petty, in addition to trying to sell his "job site" persona to working class people. People who fixate on the small stuff like covfefe and Melanie are the worst. It's a distraction and obscures some of the f**ked up shit the GOP is doing in the background.


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The guy has been on Twitter how many years? I think a lot of it is just to wind people up. I mean, if his staffers imitate his punctuation and general style of writing ("mistakes" and all) it's pretty clear it's deliberate. They want the MSM to nitpick and look petty, in addition to trying to sell his "job site" persona to working class people. People who fixate on the small stuff like covfefe and Melanie are the worst. It's a distraction and obscures some of the f**ked up shit the GOP is doing in the background.


Oh now I get your complaint on Covfefe. I thought you meant it wasn't a mistake. But the media is business and Trump is great for business, it is part of how we got into this mess. But you are right there are serious things happening in this country and all kinds of issues that don't get the type of attention they deserve because Trump sucks up all the oxygen. It is no less than we deserve as a nation. We pushed money and power as the be all and all of awesomeness, created reality television and now we have a president that does all that.


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The lesson here is not to speak any language other than English when in the US

First that racist ICE-calling lawyer in NYC.

Now this.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... anish.html


They are emboldened by the rise of Trump. You see the racist lady that shouted that a guy in a car had a gun even though he didn't? Thankfully the guy had a witness.

I don't think there has ever been a time where that border control guy wouldn't have thought he had reasonable suspicion to question them


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Kiwias wrote:
The lesson here is not to speak any language other than English when in the US

First that racist ICE-calling lawyer in NYC.

Now this.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... anish.html


They are emboldened by the rise of Trump. You see the racist lady that shouted that a guy in a car had a gun even though he didn't? Thankfully the guy had a witness.

I don't think there has ever been a time where that border control guy wouldn't have thought he had reasonable suspicion to question them


I actually disagree. After reading how ICE tried to stitch up and deport a dreamer, I am positive these guys are now free to let the kind of actions show. It was backed up by the border patrol official statment, which is not something that would have been issues under Bush or Obama.


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Yeah, Seth Abramson is interesting :roll:

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The Trump-Israel-Saudi connections are.

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The New York Times is reporting that three months before the 2016 election, Donald Trump Jr. held a secret meeting with an Israeli man specializing in social media manipulation and with George Nader, an emissary representing the princes of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

The New York Times reports the Israeli specialist, Joel Zamel, had already written a multimillion-dollar proposal for a social media manipulation campaign aimed at helping Trump win, ahead of the August 3 meeting, which was organized by Erik Prince, the head of the now defunct mercenary firm Blackwater.

The New York Times also reports George Nader told Donald Trump Jr. that both the Saudi and Emirati princes wanted to help Trump win the election. While it is not known whether the multimillion-dollar media manipulation proposal was ever put into effect, the Times reports that after Trump won the election, George Nader paid Joel Zamel, the Israeli specialist, up to $2 million.


https://www.democracynow.org/2018/5/21/ ... 6_election


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The Trump-Israel-Saudi connections are.

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The New York Times is reporting that three months before the 2016 election, Donald Trump Jr. held a secret meeting with an Israeli man specializing in social media manipulation and with George Nader, an emissary representing the princes of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

The New York Times reports the Israeli specialist, Joel Zamel, had already written a multimillion-dollar proposal for a social media manipulation campaign aimed at helping Trump win, ahead of the August 3 meeting, which was organized by Erik Prince, the head of the now defunct mercenary firm Blackwater.

The New York Times also reports George Nader told Donald Trump Jr. that both the Saudi and Emirati princes wanted to help Trump win the election. While it is not known whether the multimillion-dollar media manipulation proposal was ever put into effect, the Times reports that after Trump won the election, George Nader paid Joel Zamel, the Israeli specialist, up to $2 million.


https://www.democracynow.org/2018/5/21/ ... 6_election



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Tea pot dome a day and Congress does nothing. Any other president would have so much to answer for. I now believe that if Nixon had Fox and right wing media, he could have survived Watergate. Until the economy crashes, I don't hold out much hope that the avg joe will wake-up.


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You know that “use of the seal” stuff is false, right?

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss ... esidential


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You know that “use of the seal” stuff is false, right?

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss ... esidential


Not false, just not enforced as usually these businesses are not directly connected with the president as they are in this case.


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Selling the seal

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... -t-a-crime

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Under Section 713, one commits a crime only by displaying the seal “in a manner reasonably calculated to convey, a false impression of sponsorship or approval by the Government of the United States or by any department, agency, or instrumentality thereof.” 3 This language, borrowed from the law of unfair competition, is narrowly drafted to avoid trampling on First Amendment rights. Displaying a likeness of the seal is prohibited only when the use will create that “false impression of sponsorship or approval” -- what courts in other contexts call “confusion as to source.”

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The federal statute is constitutional only so long as we read it to ban uses of the seal that are either deceptive or misleading, and nothing else. What the Trump Organization is doing, or what Amazon is doing, or what a publisher touting a book is doing, involves uses that are neither deceptive nor misleading.


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