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Author:  Kiwias [ Fri May 25, 2018 1:27 am ]
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Author:  Jay Cee Gee [ Fri May 25, 2018 2:00 am ]
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It's ok, another coin has been minted.

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Author:  Thai guy [ Fri May 25, 2018 2:12 am ]
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paddyor wrote:
Never go full retard folks

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Jordan Peterson would approve. He'd like to subjugate un-married women into forced monogamy with poor underprivileged white boys.

Author:  Ted. [ Fri May 25, 2018 2:12 am ]
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Quote:
South Korean President Moon Jae In says he's "very perplexed" that the United States-North Korea summit won't go ahead as planned.



On a slight tangent, how long has that MH17 investigation been going on for now. It's gotta be the witch hunt to end all witch hunts.

Author:  Ted. [ Fri May 25, 2018 2:15 am ]
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Thai guy wrote:
Quote:
President Trump.

– Pulled out of Paris Climate Accord
– Pulled out of CPTPP
– Pulled out of Iran
– Obliterated Palestinian peace dialogue
– Killed historic talks with North Korea
- Rolled back banking law put in place to prevent another global financial crisis.

But delivered tax reform for corporations and very wealthy people, and increased funding for the military.

Worst US President in modern times.

A fake President.


He's getting very close to the bottom of that swamp.

Author:  Zico [ Fri May 25, 2018 6:18 am ]
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The best bit is yet to come. Impeachment and prison.

I really hope Pence did something stupid and implicated himself somehow. Drumpf does only seem to keep people around him who are willing to get their hands dirty so who knows.

Author:  The Man Without Fear [ Fri May 25, 2018 8:00 am ]
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https://www.kayfabenews.com/wwe-smackdown-to-become-most-believable-programming-on-fox/

Author:  Smutley [ Fri May 25, 2018 9:31 am ]
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Ted. wrote:
Thai guy wrote:
Quote:
President Trump.

– Pulled out of Paris Climate Accord
– Pulled out of CPTPP
– Pulled out of Iran
– Obliterated Palestinian peace dialogue
– Killed historic talks with North Korea
- Rolled back banking law put in place to prevent another global financial crisis.

But delivered tax reform for corporations and very wealthy people, and increased funding for the military.

Worst US President in modern times.

A fake President.


He's getting very close to the bottom of that swamp.

He is the swamp personified.

Author:  penguin [ Fri May 25, 2018 9:54 am ]
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After the briefing yesterday Cocaine Mitch is saying he supports Mueller's investigation...

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/24/614166059/mcconnell-says-he-supports-mueller-investigation

I'd love to know what was said in there.

Author:  DragonKhan [ Fri May 25, 2018 10:04 am ]
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/spor ... acism.html

Good article on Jack Johnson

Author:  Saint [ Fri May 25, 2018 10:54 am ]
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penguin wrote:
After the briefing yesterday Cocaine Mitch is saying he supports Mueller's investigation...

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/24/614166059/mcconnell-says-he-supports-mueller-investigation

I'd love to know what was said in there.



Nunes hasn't leaked it yet

Author:  Ted. [ Fri May 25, 2018 10:56 am ]
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Zico wrote:
The best bit is yet to come. Impeachment and prison.

I really hope Pence did something stupid and implicated himself somehow. Drumpf does only seem to keep people around him who are willing to get their hands dirty so who knows.


We're not going to get close to that while the GOP have control of congress. They'd sell their souls along with their children's and grandmothers before they did that.

Mind, there is a whiff of cordite in the air. It's amusing to see the likes of Santa Baby and even Sen putting the verbal backstops in place. There's a hint of "oh fudge, where's the D ring" creeping into the rhetoric.

Completely agree with you rte Pence, BTW. The man is a worm.

Author:  Santa [ Fri May 25, 2018 11:03 am ]
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penguin wrote:
After the briefing yesterday Cocaine Mitch is saying he supports Mueller's investigation...

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/24/614166059/mcconnell-says-he-supports-mueller-investigation

I'd love to know what was said in there.


He actually said

Quote:
"The two investigations going on that I think will give us the answers to the questions that you raise - the [inspector general] investigation in the Justice Department and the Mueller investigation," McConnell told NPR.


It's if you guys lose the ability to read past a certain point.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/thehill.co ... fing%3famp

Author:  penguin [ Fri May 25, 2018 11:11 am ]
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Santa wrote:
penguin wrote:
After the briefing yesterday Cocaine Mitch is saying he supports Mueller's investigation...

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/24/614166059/mcconnell-says-he-supports-mueller-investigation

I'd love to know what was said in there.


He actually said

Quote:
"The two investigations going on that I think will give us the answers to the questions that you raise - the [inspector general] investigation in the Justice Department and the Mueller investigation," McConnell told NPR.


It's if you guys lose the ability to read past a certain point.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/thehill.co ... fing%3famp


Quote:
"The two investigations going on that I think will give us the answers to the questions that you raise — the [inspector general] investigation in the Justice Department and the Mueller investigation," McConnell said. "I support both of them, and I don't really have anything to add to this subject based upon the Gang of Eight briefing that we had today, which was classified."


What point did you stop reading? It may be lukewarm support but it's still better than previous attempts from him.

Author:  Ted. [ Fri May 25, 2018 11:12 am ]
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Santa wrote:
penguin wrote:
After the briefing yesterday Cocaine Mitch is saying he supports Mueller's investigation...

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/24/614166059/mcconnell-says-he-supports-mueller-investigation

I'd love to know what was said in there.


He actually said

Quote:
"The two investigations going on that I think will give us the answers to the questions that you raise - the [inspector general] investigation in the Justice Department and the Mueller investigation," McConnell told NPR.


It's if you guys lose the ability to read past a certain point.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/thehill.co ... fing%3famp


Cough, a wild guess here Santa, but I do believe he was referring to the classified briefings about the investigations, not Mitch's overt support. You never know, I could be wrong though.

What do you think?

Author:  Santa [ Fri May 25, 2018 11:16 am ]
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penguin wrote:
Santa wrote:
penguin wrote:
After the briefing yesterday Cocaine Mitch is saying he supports Mueller's investigation...

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/24/614166059/mcconnell-says-he-supports-mueller-investigation

I'd love to know what was said in there.


He actually said

Quote:
"The two investigations going on that I think will give us the answers to the questions that you raise - the [inspector general] investigation in the Justice Department and the Mueller investigation," McConnell told NPR.


It's if you guys lose the ability to read past a certain point.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/thehill.co ... fing%3famp


Quote:
"The two investigations going on that I think will give us the answers to the questions that you raise — the [inspector general] investigation in the Justice Department and the Mueller investigation," McConnell said. "I support both of them, and I don't really have anything to add to this subject based upon the Gang of Eight briefing that we had today, which was classified."


What point did you stop reading? It may be lukewarm support but it's still better than previous attempts from him.


I read the whole thing. I noted that he actually supported both investigations. I raised that as a corrective to your claim.

Author:  Rinkals [ Fri May 25, 2018 11:53 am ]
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Ted. wrote:
Santa wrote:
penguin wrote:
After the briefing yesterday Cocaine Mitch is saying he supports Mueller's investigation...

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/24/614166059/mcconnell-says-he-supports-mueller-investigation

I'd love to know what was said in there.


He actually said

Quote:
"The two investigations going on that I think will give us the answers to the questions that you raise - the [inspector general] investigation in the Justice Department and the Mueller investigation," McConnell told NPR.


It's if you guys lose the ability to read past a certain point.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/thehill.co ... fing%3famp


Cough, a wild guess here Santa, but I do believe he was referring to the classified briefings about the investigations, not Mitch's overt support. You never know, I could be wrong though.

What do you think?

I think he'd support anything that confirms his preconceived view and disregard anything that didn't.

Author:  zt1903 [ Fri May 25, 2018 12:54 pm ]
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So the NorKs are back with their tails between their legs then. Willing to meet “whenever, however” to resolve outstanding issues.

Yep, the Orange One got totally played :roll:

Author:  houtkabouter [ Fri May 25, 2018 1:10 pm ]
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I’ll conceed that if Trump pulls that off it will be a master stroke and probably change my opinion of him.

However I think that China and NK will do what what they always do. Ride out the US’s inability to play any kind of long game because it cannot plan a strategy beyond a term.

Author:  BokJock [ Fri May 25, 2018 1:16 pm ]
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Hasn't he already admitted that it was too hard to make a deal with China?

Author:  Rinkals [ Fri May 25, 2018 1:39 pm ]
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
So the NorKs are back with their tails between their legs then. Willing to meet “whenever, however” to resolve outstanding issues.

Yep, the Orange One got totally played :roll:


Zero Hedge of all places is throwing together some interesting theories about how Trump is playing both norks and chinese together - he has to I suppose. Ray Dalio has suggested the Chinese do NOT want a trade war at all costs, which gives Trump quite a bit of leverage over the Chinese, and he's letting the norks know he won't take any shenanigans on the way to sitting down.

He really has to get this right, as his entire premise for running was that the Washington crowd were useless at deals and were getting screwed by the chinese and it needed a tough New Yorker to get in there and play hardball. So his reputation and legacy really sits on this - that is probably some leverage for the Chinese and norks, but at the moment they're on the back foot.


Eh?

Of course the DPRK are going to say "we'll meet whenever", seeing that Trump was the one that called it off.

If you are back to claiming that Trump is a master at 4D chess again, you can't be absorbing terribly much from these books you claim to read.

Author:  Santa [ Fri May 25, 2018 1:49 pm ]
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
So the NorKs are back with their tails between their legs then. Willing to meet “whenever, however” to resolve outstanding issues.

Yep, the Orange One got totally played :roll:


Zero Hedge of all places is throwing together some interesting theories about how Trump is playing both norks and chinese together - he has to I suppose. Ray Dalio has suggested the Chinese do NOT want a trade war at all costs, which gives Trump quite a bit of leverage over the Chinese, and he's letting the norks know he won't take any shenanigans on the way to sitting down.

He really has to get this right, as his entire premise for running was that the Washington crowd were useless at deals and were getting screwed by the chinese and it needed a tough New Yorker to get in there and play hardball. So his reputation and legacy really sits on this - that is probably some leverage for the Chinese and norks, but at the moment they're on the back foot.


Surely the big question is what kind of 'buffer' state does China want sitting on its doorstep. Yes a less volatile one but also one that is not too beholden to the West. Surely that more than anything will shape the extent of any agreement if one is forthcoming.

Author:  Saint [ Fri May 25, 2018 2:00 pm ]
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OK

So trump throws a tantrum, calls of the NK talks, and writes a letter where he truly does throw his toys out of the pram


NK release a press statement where they make out they're sounding bewildered, but still want to have peace talks despite American intransigence



And you reckon that the US is coming out of this ahead?

Author:  Santa [ Fri May 25, 2018 2:03 pm ]
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Saint wrote:
OK

So trump throws a tantrum, calls of the NK talks, and writes a letter where he truly does throw his toys out of the pram


NK release a press statement where they make out they're sounding bewildered, but still want to have peace talks despite American intransigence



And you reckon that the US is coming out of this ahead?


I for one am prepared to see how things unfold before I draw a conclusion.

Author:  guy smiley [ Fri May 25, 2018 2:04 pm ]
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
So the NorKs are back with their tails between their legs then. Willing to meet “whenever, however” to resolve outstanding issues.

Yep, the Orange One got totally played :roll:


Zero Hedge of all places is throwing together some interesting theories about how Trump is playing both norks and chinese together - he has to I suppose. Ray Dalio has suggested the Chinese do NOT want a trade war at all costs, which gives Trump quite a bit of leverage over the Chinese, and he's letting the norks know he won't take any shenanigans on the way to sitting down.

He really has to get this right, as his entire premise for running was that the Washington crowd were useless at deals and were getting screwed by the chinese and it needed a tough New Yorker to get in there and play hardball. So his reputation and legacy really sits on this - that is probably some leverage for the Chinese and norks, but at the moment they're on the back foot.


Eh?

Of course the DPRK are going to say "we'll meet whenever", seeing that Trump was the one that called it off.

If you are back to claiming that Trump is a master at 4D chess again, you can't be absorbing terribly much from these books you claim to read.


When are you going to offer some decent analysis on this thread? You want to keep posting on here, and you do, but you don't demonstrate anything other than what many suspect: that you're a bit thick.

:lol: :lol:

You and your rules :thumbup:

Author:  Kiwias [ Fri May 25, 2018 2:26 pm ]
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Santa wrote:
Saint wrote:
OK

So trump throws a tantrum, calls of the NK talks, and writes a letter where he truly does throw his toys out of the pram


NK release a press statement where they make out they're sounding bewildered, but still want to have peace talks despite American intransigence



And you reckon that the US is coming out of this ahead?


I for one am prepared to see how things unfold before I draw a conclusion.


I for one am willing to concede I don't fully understand what is going on. The interdimensional kung fu is too fast and furious for mine eyes.


It was obviously too fast for Trump to bother letting South Korean President Moon in on his decision to cancel the meeting ahead of time. Or Japanese PM Abe or Chinese President for Life Xi.

Such frenetic pace. Fast and furious, indeed.

Author:  guy smiley [ Fri May 25, 2018 2:29 pm ]
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Santa wrote:
Saint wrote:
OK

So trump throws a tantrum, calls of the NK talks, and writes a letter where he truly does throw his toys out of the pram


NK release a press statement where they make out they're sounding bewildered, but still want to have peace talks despite American intransigence



And you reckon that the US is coming out of this ahead?


I for one am prepared to see how things unfold before I draw a conclusion.


I for one am willing to concede I don't fully understand what is going on. The interdimensional kung fu is too fast and furious for mine eyes.



Who's playing the part of Kung Fu Panda?

Author:  Saint [ Fri May 25, 2018 2:34 pm ]
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Unless there is some amazing revelation to come out there's only two scenarios here

1 - The US comes back to the table. NK have been sitting there asking for the US to come back, so they look like the ones who want to get along with everybody, while the US just looks stupid

2 - The US doesn't come back to the table. Nk have been at the table asking for ths US to come back, so they look like the ones who want to get along with everybody, while the US just looks stupid

The time to throw a strop and walk away, if that's what Trump wanted to do, was during the talks, which would have been closed session. Then he could more or less just make up whatever excuse he wanted for walking away, but reasonably be able to say "Look, I tried, but they just didn't want to play ball"

Author:  BokJock [ Fri May 25, 2018 2:41 pm ]
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Kiwias wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Santa wrote:
Saint wrote:
OK

So trump throws a tantrum, calls of the NK talks, and writes a letter where he truly does throw his toys out of the pram


NK release a press statement where they make out they're sounding bewildered, but still want to have peace talks despite American intransigence



And you reckon that the US is coming out of this ahead?


I for one am prepared to see how things unfold before I draw a conclusion.


I for one am willing to concede I don't fully understand what is going on. The interdimensional kung fu is too fast and furious for mine eyes.


It was obviously too fast for Trump to bother letting South Korean President Moon in on his decision to cancel the meeting ahead of time. Or Japanese PM Abe or Chinese President for Life Xi.

Such frenetic pace. Fast and furious, indeed.


No time to phone those guys - he had kneeling football players to worry about!

Author:  penguin [ Fri May 25, 2018 2:57 pm ]
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Saint wrote:
Unless there is some amazing revelation to come out there's only two scenarios here

1 - The US comes back to the table. NK have been sitting there asking for the US to come back, so they look like the ones who want to get along with everybody, while the US just looks stupid

2 - The US doesn't come back to the table. Nk have been at the table asking for ths US to come back, so they look like the ones who want to get along with everybody, while the US just looks stupid



Too 1D. I see this as a matrix. The Table could also go to the US. Then, you go 3D: the table could go to NK. So, by then you are getting 2 to the power of 3 scenarios: 8 different scenarios.

And then . . . 4D, but only Trump knows where the table goes in that model; all we know is that it is 16 possible scenarios, but we have no idea what they are. The table could go anywhere, and people are coming and going from it willy nilly.


Maybe he takes away the table and they go for a picnic.

Author:  houtkabouter [ Fri May 25, 2018 3:18 pm ]
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Well nobody knows tables like Trump does. He’s got the biggest tables.

Author:  free_safety [ Fri May 25, 2018 5:05 pm ]
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What would be the point of talks with Kim?
He will never relinquish his nukes. And the US will not accept anything less

Author:  houtkabouter [ Fri May 25, 2018 5:48 pm ]
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Maybe if they sent him a plane load of cash?

Author:  _fatprop [ Fri May 25, 2018 9:42 pm ]
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Hypothetical

Person loses temporary security clearance

Gets questioned by FBI pertaining to overseas influence a number of times

Then gets full security clearance

Would he get that full clearance in there was any evidence of overseas influence?

Author:  fishfoodie [ Fri May 25, 2018 10:10 pm ]
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Saint wrote:
penguin wrote:
After the briefing yesterday Cocaine Mitch is saying he supports Mueller's investigation...

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/24/614166059/mcconnell-says-he-supports-mueller-investigation

I'd love to know what was said in there.



Nunes hasn't leaked it yet


The WH obviously decided that he was to stupid to remember the important bits; a rare occasion when I agree completely with the current WH.

So instead, what did they do ?, they decide to do yet another colossal fuck you to any concept of integrity & legality, they sneaked in Trumps lawyer into a, classified briefing which was only supposed to be for the gang of 8, i.e. elected representatives, who have been cleared for secret intelligence materials.

And now we know why they couldn't just do a single briefing for the Republicans & the Democrats; because they let in unauthorized people to the GOP briefing, & then just didn't record them on the attendees.

This fucking alone should be grounds for multiple dismissals & federal charges.

Author:  Flockwitt [ Fri May 25, 2018 10:31 pm ]
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fishfoodie wrote:
Saint wrote:
penguin wrote:
After the briefing yesterday Cocaine Mitch is saying he supports Mueller's investigation...

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/24/614166059/mcconnell-says-he-supports-mueller-investigation

I'd love to know what was said in there.



Nunes hasn't leaked it yet


The WH obviously decided that he was to stupid to remember the important bits; a rare occasion when I agree completely with the current WH.

So instead, what did they do ?, they decide to do yet another colossal fuck you to any concept of integrity & legality, they sneaked in Trumps lawyer into a, classified briefing which was only supposed to be for the gang of 8, i.e. elected representatives, who have been cleared for secret intelligence materials.

And now we know why they couldn't just do a single briefing for the Republicans & the Democrats; because they let in unauthorized people to the GOP briefing, & then just didn't record them on the attendees.

This fucking alone should be grounds for multiple dismissals & federal charges.

The Whitehouse is stating the lawyer didn't stay for the briefing. That him and Kelly were only there at the start to convey the President's wishes for open transparency.

Author:  fishfoodie [ Fri May 25, 2018 10:35 pm ]
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Flockwitt wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:
Saint wrote:
penguin wrote:
After the briefing yesterday Cocaine Mitch is saying he supports Mueller's investigation...

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/24/614166059/mcconnell-says-he-supports-mueller-investigation

I'd love to know what was said in there.



Nunes hasn't leaked it yet


The WH obviously decided that he was to stupid to remember the important bits; a rare occasion when I agree completely with the current WH.

So instead, what did they do ?, they decide to do yet another colossal fuck you to any concept of integrity & legality, they sneaked in Trumps lawyer into a, classified briefing which was only supposed to be for the gang of 8, i.e. elected representatives, who have been cleared for secret intelligence materials.

And now we know why they couldn't just do a single briefing for the Republicans & the Democrats; because they let in unauthorized people to the GOP briefing, & then just didn't record them on the attendees.

This fucking alone should be grounds for multiple dismissals & federal charges.

The Whitehouse is stating the lawyer didn't stay for the briefing. That him and Kelly were only there at the start to convey the President's wishes for open transparency.


The WH lies thru their teeth ever day for the last year plus; why the fudge would anyone believe them now ?

Especially when they didn't accurately list the attendees, & they very specifically demanded separate briefings for Dems & the GOP. They're lying.

Author:  shanky [ Fri May 25, 2018 10:46 pm ]
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zt1903 wrote:
So the NorKs are back with their tails between their legs then. Willing to meet “whenever, however” to resolve outstanding issues.

Yep, the Orange One got totally played :roll:



Or, alternatively, they’re making it look like it’s Trump who is being intransigent while they’re being constructive - thereby seeking to increase the pressure upon him to act or concede.

I dunno, it’s almost as if they’re in the middle of a protracted, diplomatic negotiation, with no particular timeframe - rather than a 1-hour gameshow timeslot that needs to wrap up before the viewers take a donut break.

Edit: Aaaand it seems that Trump is now no longer walking away. Praying for meetings now. Top stuff. Now, a word from our sponsors...

Author:  Flockwitt [ Fri May 25, 2018 10:50 pm ]
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Saint wrote:
Unless there is some amazing revelation to come out there's only two scenarios here

1 - The US comes back to the table. NK have been sitting there asking for the US to come back, so they look like the ones who want to get along with everybody, while the US just looks stupid

2 - The US doesn't come back to the table. Nk have been at the table asking for ths US to come back, so they look like the ones who want to get along with everybody, while the US just looks stupid

The time to throw a strop and walk away, if that's what Trump wanted to do, was during the talks, which would have been closed session. Then he could more or less just make up whatever excuse he wanted for walking away, but reasonably be able to say "Look, I tried, but they just didn't want to play ball"

A problem is where is the win Trump wants and needs? As everybody has stated NK won't be giving up their nukes no matter what, but at least Trump could have gotten the testing site dismantled and open to inspection and it looks like he's a winner. But no, the North Koreans called Bolton a dickhead, and Pence a shithead, and called off talks with South Korea after they went ahead with military drills. All of which is quite reasonable from a certain perspective.

A peace treaty would have been enough I think for all sides to claim success. But with any sense a requisite of that would be some sort of demilitarization, which for the generals who are the ones actually running NK that's probably a complete no go also. While the US would certainly never pull out until NK did actually make efforts on that front.

I suspect Kimmy's got enough out of this round to consider himself one up and in a better position than before the start of the whole thing though.

Author:  _fatprop [ Fri May 25, 2018 10:56 pm ]
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shanky wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
So the NorKs are back with their tails between their legs then. Willing to meet “whenever, however” to resolve outstanding issues.

Yep, the Orange One got totally played :roll:



Or, alternatively, they’re making it look like it’s Trump who is being intransigent while they’re being constructive - thereby increasing the pressure upon him to act or concede.

I dunno, it’s almost as if they’re in the middle of a protracted, diplomatic negotiation, with no particular timeframe - rather than a 1-hour gameshow timeslot that needs to wrap up before the viewers take a donut break.


To negotiate you need to be prepared to walk away, I see this as just part of the game.

NK now know that if their usual rhetoric is continued there are no deals, no planes full of cash, no aid packages

Now that doesn't mean that there won't be planes full of cash and aid packages in any final deal (if any) just that without something tangible, they could get nothing

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