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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:34 am
by piquant
They could just sort their shit out when it comes to voter registration

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:21 am
by zt1903
shanky wrote:So, Donald has said he ‘won’t ask’ any of his SCOTUS nominees about their position on Roe V Wade, but will, nonetheless, be nominating ‘a conservative’.

The uber-populist in action. Can’t blame him really. Removing people’s abortion rights sounds great in theory, but political-suicide in practice.

Even ‘cocaine Mitch’ is probably sweating on that one.



As an aside, Roe v Wade should be over-turned. It was judicial activism in the extreme. Asking Congress to make an actual Law to once-and-for-all decide the issue would be a laughable concept though. So, it stays.
To be fair Roe v Wade, at this point in time is pretty much settled law. And there’s really no compelling reason for SCOTUS to look at it again in the near future.

I don’t really get why people are concerned about Trump nominating a conservative as conservatives on the court trend away from the judicial overreach that you mention. Conversely it is the more liberal justices that have tended towards the idea of SCOTUS as a super-legislature.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:23 am
by Saint
The only serious, credible research performed on the subject points to there being very little (almost zero) cases of illegal voting by non-citizens or illegal immigrants.

On the other hand, you can find significant numbers of people denied voting due to being incorrectly removed from the voter rolls.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:50 am
by zt1903
Saint wrote:The only serious, credible research performed on the subject points to there being very little (almost zero) cases of illegal voting by non-citizens or illegal immigrants.

On the other hand, you can find significant numbers of people denied voting due to being incorrectly removed from the voter rolls.
That’s just not true.

At best the case is unproven, mostly because it’s not really been seriously looked at.

For example, Nate Silver has shown that where voter id is introduced then registered voters drop by 2.5%. It doesn’t make sense for this to be disenfranchised legal voters given how easy it is to have a valid form of id so some, most or all of this could be illegal voting.

The reality is that there is a significant risk of illegal voting, given the many millions of them that are in the US, and that it is fairly easy for people to do so.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:58 am
by shanky
zt1903 wrote:
shanky wrote:So, Donald has said he ‘won’t ask’ any of his SCOTUS nominees about their position on Roe V Wade, but will, nonetheless, be nominating ‘a conservative’.

The uber-populist in action. Can’t blame him really. Removing people’s abortion rights sounds great in theory, but political-suicide in practice.

Even ‘cocaine Mitch’ is probably sweating on that one.



As an aside, Roe v Wade should be over-turned. It was judicial activism in the extreme. Asking Congress to make an actual Law to once-and-for-all decide the issue would be a laughable concept though. So, it stays.

To be fair Roe v Wade, at this point in time is pretty much settled law. And there’s really no compelling reason for SCOTUS to look at it again in the near future.

I don’t really get why people are concerned about Trump nominating a conservative as conservatives on the court trend away from the judicial overreach that you mention. Conversely it is the more liberal justices that have tended towards the idea of SCOTUS as a super-legislature.
Agreed. The problem is political, not judicial.

The fundies will be expecting just such an appointment. Trump will be doing well to avoid having to give them one

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:03 pm
by Saint
zt1903 wrote:
Saint wrote:The only serious, credible research performed on the subject points to there being very little (almost zero) cases of illegal voting by non-citizens or illegal immigrants.

On the other hand, you can find significant numbers of people denied voting due to being incorrectly removed from the voter rolls.
That’s just not true.

At best the case is unproven, mostly because it’s not really been seriously looked at.

For example, Nate Silver has shown that where voter id is introduced then registered voters drop by 2.5%. It doesn’t make sense for this to be disenfranchised legal voters given how easy it is to have a valid form of id so some, most or all of this could be illegal voting.

The reality is that there is a significant risk of illegal voting, given the many millions of them that are in the US, and that it is fairly easy for people to do so.
The closest thing to any research which proved illegal voting was the Harvard study which seemed to indicate a fairly significant percentage (as high as 4 to 5 percent). However, further study discovered that the basic questionnaire was so badly written that US citizens were identifying themselves as illegal immigrants

The trouble with voter I'd laws is that they tend to require very specific forms of I'd which voters may not carry with them - hence the drops in voting rates

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:06 pm
by shereblue
Rinkals wrote:Before I applied for UK citizenship I was contacted by a Tory official about my vote. When I explained that I wasn't a citizen he told me that I was on the voter's roll.


I don't know what the voter registration is like in the USA but It is conceivable that non citizens got to vote
FYI, you don't have to be a citizen to vote in "local" elections

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:06 pm
by Rinkals
shereblue wrote:
Rinkals wrote:Before I applied for UK citizenship I was contacted by a Tory official about my vote. When I explained that I wasn't a citizen he told me that I was on the voter's roll.


I don't know what the voter registration is like in the USA but It is conceivable that non citizens got to vote
FYI, you don't have to be a citizen to vote in "local" elections
I'm pretty sure it was for a general election, but I remember specifically being told that I was on the voter's roll.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:11 pm
by Taffia
Rinkals wrote:
shereblue wrote:
Rinkals wrote:Before I applied for UK citizenship I was contacted by a Tory official about my vote. When I explained that I wasn't a citizen he told me that I was on the voter's roll.


I don't know what the voter registration is like in the USA but It is conceivable that non citizens got to vote
FYI, you don't have to be a citizen to vote in "local" elections
I'm pretty sure it was for a general election, but I remember specifically being told that I was on the voter's roll.
You may qualify as a commonwealth citizen automatically

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:17 pm
by Rinkals
Taffia wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
shereblue wrote:
Rinkals wrote:Before I applied for UK citizenship I was contacted by a Tory official about my vote. When I explained that I wasn't a citizen he told me that I was on the voter's roll.


I don't know what the voter registration is like in the USA but It is conceivable that non citizens got to vote
FYI, you don't have to be a citizen to vote in "local" elections
I'm pretty sure it was for a general election, but I remember specifically being told that I was on the voter's roll.
You may qualify as a commonwealth citizen automatically
Possibly: I had right of abode through my mother who was born in Windsor, but I never registered or applied to be on the roll.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:17 pm
by houtkabouter
The democrats win illegal votes and the republicans deny prisoners the vote.

The system is so dirty, I don't see either side doing anything productive about it because it's in their interest to leave it alone. They just make noise over it blaming each other.

Gerrymandering is a much, much bigger problem than both of the above.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:17 pm
by The Man Without Fear
He'll appoint whoever he thinks makes him look best.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:18 pm
by Saint
Rinkals wrote:
shereblue wrote:
Rinkals wrote:Before I applied for UK citizenship I was contacted by a Tory official about my vote. When I explained that I wasn't a citizen he told me that I was on the voter's roll.


I don't know what the voter registration is like in the USA but It is conceivable that non citizens got to vote
FYI, you don't have to be a citizen to vote in "local" elections
I'm pretty sure it was for a general election, but I remember specifically being told that I was on the voter's roll.
There's a single electoral register which includes information as to.your citizenship, which is then.used to determine your eligibility to vote in different elections. The local Tory party would just see you on the register without your citizenship info, so they wouldn't know themselves whether you were or weren't eligible

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:21 pm
by Rinkals
Seneca of the Night wrote:
shanky wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
shanky wrote:So, Donald has said he ‘won’t ask’ any of his SCOTUS nominees about their position on Roe V Wade, but will, nonetheless, be nominating ‘a conservative’.

The uber-populist in action. Can’t blame him really. Removing people’s abortion rights sounds great in theory, but political-suicide in practice.

Even ‘cocaine Mitch’ is probably sweating on that one.



As an aside, Roe v Wade should be over-turned. It was judicial activism in the extreme. Asking Congress to make an actual Law to once-and-for-all decide the issue would be a laughable concept though. So, it stays.

To be fair Roe v Wade, at this point in time is pretty much settled law. And there’s really no compelling reason for SCOTUS to look at it again in the near future.

I don’t really get why people are concerned about Trump nominating a conservative as conservatives on the court trend away from the judicial overreach that you mention. Conversely it is the more liberal justices that have tended towards the idea of SCOTUS as a super-legislature.
Agreed. The problem is political, not judicial.

The fundies will be expecting just such an appointment. Trump will be doing well to avoid having to give them one
Not sure that is true. He's not really beholden to the funides. That's what gives him much of his power. The long list looks sort of reasonable. I think he might surprise all and go fairly moderate. After all he's not a hard line Conservative himself and this might not be his last appointment.
Eh? Gives him what power?

You make it sound like he's been drafting legislation left right and center, but he needs every bit of support he can get just to tread water.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:17 pm
by Smutley
c69 wrote:Trump blows hot about the FART act :lol:
Apt.
Attila the Stockbroker wrote:F.A.R.T.
(Fair and Reciprocal Tariff Act)

As the latest trump
exploded from the febrile rectum
of the loathsome demagogue
enveloping all before him
in another stinking fog
of bigotry and hatred
he turned to the cameras
and spoke.
‘My fellow Americans:
During my election campaign
I made you a promise:
AMERICA FIRST.
I am following through on that promise.
I repeat:
I am following through.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:32 pm
by ticketlessinseattle
Kiwias wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
Kiwias wrote: So on one hand Obama is being accused of being this brutal president deporting more illegal immigrants than any president before him, while on the other hand the Democrats are accused of wanting an open border and free entry to anyone.

Make your minds up, kiddies.
Well your strawman was never my argument.

Rather my view was that the media, and many politicians, are hypocritical to attack Trump when the previous guys were doing much the same.

Further, the hypocrisy of the Democrats is accentuated insofar as they clearly have no intention of resolving the immigration issues through the legislative branch, they appear to believe that it helps them politically.
I think the point is that it is not the same.
if his logic was in an excel file it would just be one big circular reference (...for all the excel nerds out here)

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:36 pm
by ticketlessinseattle
Saint wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
Saint wrote:The only serious, credible research performed on the subject points to there being very little (almost zero) cases of illegal voting by non-citizens or illegal immigrants.

On the other hand, you can find significant numbers of people denied voting due to being incorrectly removed from the voter rolls.
That’s just not true.

At best the case is unproven, mostly because it’s not really been seriously looked at.

For example, Nate Silver has shown that where voter id is introduced then registered voters drop by 2.5%. It doesn’t make sense for this to be disenfranchised legal voters given how easy it is to have a valid form of id so some, most or all of this could be illegal voting.

The reality is that there is a significant risk of illegal voting, given the many millions of them that are in the US, and that it is fairly easy for people to do so.
The closest thing to any research which proved illegal voting was the Harvard study which seemed to indicate a fairly significant percentage (as high as 4 to 5 percent). However, further study discovered that the basic questionnaire was so badly written that US citizens were identifying themselves as illegal immigrants

The trouble with voter I'd laws is that they tend to require very specific forms of I'd which voters may not carry with them - hence the drops in voting rates
hang on, the study is based on a people filling out a questionnaire ?... :lol: so is there any actual evidence of actual illegal voting ? or even anecdotal evidence....of which there is plenty for people legitimately entitled to vote not being able to ?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:42 pm
by Santa
Rinkals wrote:The gist of Santa's post seems to be that Obama was only able to unfairly defeat the gallant Republican filibuster by the illegal use of a non citizen voting bloc.
My post had no gist. It's a bit of research. I have no idea of its provenance or quality. Frankly I don't give a s.hit about whether or not illegal immigrants vote.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:45 pm
by zt1903
Saint wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
Saint wrote:The only serious, credible research performed on the subject points to there being very little (almost zero) cases of illegal voting by non-citizens or illegal immigrants.

On the other hand, you can find significant numbers of people denied voting due to being incorrectly removed from the voter rolls.
That’s just not true.

At best the case is unproven, mostly because it’s not really been seriously looked at.

For example, Nate Silver has shown that where voter id is introduced then registered voters drop by 2.5%. It doesn’t make sense for this to be disenfranchised legal voters given how easy it is to have a valid form of id so some, most or all of this could be illegal voting.

The reality is that there is a significant risk of illegal voting, given the many millions of them that are in the US, and that it is fairly easy for people to do so.
The closest thing to any research which proved illegal voting was the Harvard study which seemed to indicate a fairly significant percentage (as high as 4 to 5 percent). However, further study discovered that the basic questionnaire was so badly written that US citizens were identifying themselves as illegal immigrants

The trouble with voter I'd laws is that they tend to require very specific forms of I'd which voters may not carry with them - hence the drops in voting rates
Voter id is usually something like a social security card and a driving license, which is not particularly onerous.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:02 pm
by Saint
zt1903 wrote:
Saint wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
Saint wrote:The only serious, credible research performed on the subject points to there being very little (almost zero) cases of illegal voting by non-citizens or illegal immigrants.

On the other hand, you can find significant numbers of people denied voting due to being incorrectly removed from the voter rolls.
That’s just not true.

At best the case is unproven, mostly because it’s not really been seriously looked at.

For example, Nate Silver has shown that where voter id is introduced then registered voters drop by 2.5%. It doesn’t make sense for this to be disenfranchised legal voters given how easy it is to have a valid form of id so some, most or all of this could be illegal voting.

The reality is that there is a significant risk of illegal voting, given the many millions of them that are in the US, and that it is fairly easy for people to do so.
The closest thing to any research which proved illegal voting was the Harvard study which seemed to indicate a fairly significant percentage (as high as 4 to 5 percent). However, further study discovered that the basic questionnaire was so badly written that US citizens were identifying themselves as illegal immigrants

The trouble with voter I'd laws is that they tend to require very specific forms of I'd which voters may not carry with them - hence the drops in voting rates
Voter id is usually something like a social security card and a driving license, which is not particularly onerous.
It varies state by state, but what you've just described is what voter id proponents have described as too lax. proponents of new voter id laws (bearing in mind that there is some sort of voter id requirement already in 33 US states) are arguing for much stricter proof of id, as well as regular and repeated re-registration.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:18 pm
by zt1903
Interesting (aka deeply troubling) piece in the NYT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/us/p ... court.html

And to be clear, troubling because the NYT is advocating against the first amendment. :shock:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:44 pm
by Ted.
zt1903 wrote:
Saint wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
Saint wrote:The only serious, credible research performed on the subject points to there being very little (almost zero) cases of illegal voting by non-citizens or illegal immigrants.

On the other hand, you can find significant numbers of people denied voting due to being incorrectly removed from the voter rolls.
That’s just not true.

At best the case is unproven, mostly because it’s not really been seriously looked at.

For example, Nate Silver has shown that where voter id is introduced then registered voters drop by 2.5%. It doesn’t make sense for this to be disenfranchised legal voters given how easy it is to have a valid form of id so some, most or all of this could be illegal voting.

The reality is that there is a significant risk of illegal voting, given the many millions of them that are in the US, and that it is fairly easy for people to do so.
The closest thing to any research which proved illegal voting was the Harvard study which seemed to indicate a fairly significant percentage (as high as 4 to 5 percent). However, further study discovered that the basic questionnaire was so badly written that US citizens were identifying themselves as illegal immigrants

The trouble with voter I'd laws is that they tend to require very specific forms of I'd which voters may not carry with them - hence the drops in voting rates
Voter id is usually something like a social security card and a driving license, which is not particularly onerous.
But it does not bestow any direct benefits. In appears that all you can actually prove is that at least 2.5 percent of eligible citizens are self interested and lazy.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:53 pm
by Ted.
houtkabouter wrote:The democrats win illegal votes and the republicans deny prisoners the vote.

The system is so dirty, I don't see either side doing anything productive about it because it's in their interest to leave it alone. They just make noise over it blaming each other.

Gerrymandering is a much, much bigger problem than both of the above.
True. It's also indicative of a fundamentally flawed system, with inadequate separation of party from officialdom.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 11:38 pm
by shanky
zt1903 wrote:Interesting (aka deeply troubling) piece in the NYT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/us/p ... court.html

And to be clear, troubling because the NYT is advocating against the first amendment. :shock:
LOL.

Lazy, lazy forumming

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:02 am
by obelixtim
Will Cohen throw Trump under the bus to save his own skin?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44685174

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:15 am
by Flockwitt
Will a dog eat its own barf? His family comes first he’s now stating.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:21 am
by RuggaBugga
zt1903 wrote:Interesting (aka deeply troubling) piece in the NYT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/us/p ... court.html

And to be clear, troubling because the NYT is advocating against the first amendment. :shock:
Jesus Christ :roll:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:44 am
by Taranaki Snapper
zt1903 wrote:Interesting (aka deeply troubling) piece in the NYT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/us/p ... court.html

And to be clear, troubling because the NYT is advocating against the first amendment. :shock:
against abuse of it, you disingenous slime-weasel...

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:05 am
by zt1903
Taranaki Snapper wrote:
zt1903 wrote:Interesting (aka deeply troubling) piece in the NYT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/us/p ... court.html

And to be clear, troubling because the NYT is advocating against the first amendment. :shock:
against abuse of it, you disingenous slime-weasel...
Go back to posting gifs fuckwit.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:12 am
by houtkabouter
He might have gone a little far in the name calling, but he’s right.

Clearly that’s your interpretation.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:23 am
by zt1903
houtkabouter wrote:He might have gone a little far in the name calling, but he’s right.

Clearly that’s your interpretation.
The recent examples they are holding up as “abuse” of the 1st amendement are anything but.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:23 am
by Santa
What are these abuses of free speech, other than being stuff progressives don't agree with.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:32 am
by Rinkals
Seneca of the Night wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
zt1903 wrote:
Taranaki Snapper wrote:
zt1903 wrote:Interesting (aka deeply troubling) piece in the NYT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/us/p ... court.html

And to be clear, troubling because the NYT is advocating against the first amendment. :shock:
against abuse of it, you disingenous slime-weasel...
Go back to posting gifs fuckwit.
:lol: :lol:

the bark of a lonesome weasel
PR, where the 'virtue' is in being part of the pack.
You feel that if someone posts disingenuous crap it should be allowed to stand?

I'm all in favour of free speech, but free speech doesn't grant freedom from ridicule.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:49 am
by shanky
It’s possible to be both lonesome and shit at the same time.

Wouldn’t you agree?

;)

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:51 am
by shanky
guy smiley wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
guy smiley wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:I haven't read that article closely, but I get the point about the flip in use of the first amendment. When I first went to LA in 1991 I remember mooching around the Los Feliz area and going into grubby looking bookstores that had basements where you might expect a gimp to be kept and where they kept books on how to build a nuclear bomb and hardcore NAMBLA literature, and worse. It was incredible. But it all seemed to pop out of a blend of 60s hippiedom and the gay rights movement. There was a controversy still raging in San Francisco about whether NAMBLA should be able to use a public library for their weekly meeting. http://articles.latimes.com/1992-01-17/ ... -francisco
ZT has a habit of being a disengenuous shit weasel on this thread but because he's part of your shit weasel side of this madhouse you'd rather wave your walking cane vaguely at the middle distance and accuse others of being...

well, others.
So, he's not a lonesome weasel anymore?
Not anymore and I think you harmonise beautifully. Your tenor sits well with his contralto.

They’re just missing the heady tones of the castrato.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:59 am
by shanky
Seneca of the Night wrote:The hyenas are out to play I see. When I say hyenas I guess I mean a sort of low range Tasmanian creature, like a shitweasel. The Tasmanian shitweasels, pack animals of the PR day (night), hunt in packs, after half a bottle of Jacob's Creek.
Tasmanian hyenas love huntin lonesome shitweasels. They’re a delicacy. Their skins are thin and they have fleshy chops.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:01 am
by zt1903
The keyboard warriors are out in force today :roll:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:03 am
by Taranaki Snapper
zt1903 wrote:
Taranaki Snapper wrote:
zt1903 wrote:Interesting (aka deeply troubling) piece in the NYT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/us/p ... court.html

And to be clear, troubling because the NYT is advocating against the first amendment. :shock:
against abuse of it, you disingenous slime-weasel...
Go back to posting gifs fuckwit.
go back to whatever the fuck you do when you're not being an oleaginous shit-weasel...

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:08 pm
by Kiwias
zt1903 wrote:The keyboard warriors are out in force today :roll:
Yes, you are. :twisted:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:08 pm
by Ted.
Taranaki Snapper wrote:
AD345 wrote:
J Man wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:This is really really long and I haven't come close to reading it all yet, but it might be the most important article yet written in the Trump era, not the least for the fact that it is a target aimed right at the only people likely to read it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... cy/559130/
I'm about one third through the article (it's bloody massive!). I don't see how Trump is in any way the answer to the problems highlighted in the article. What is the answer? Get rid of assortive mating? How?

The article makes it reasonably clear, Trump is not the answer, he is the inevitable result.

The answer is to resist the “obviously” best outcome for yourself and your family and instead take a wider perspective for a greater part of the populace, even if that works against your inter generational interests.

But who wants to do that?
Nail. Head.
Pretty much.

Ta for that, Sneaker. :thumbup: