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This could be the most one sided election since Alf Landon ran against Roosevelt or in more modern times Walter Mondale's attempt at Ronnie the Ray Gun.

Hillary by lots.

The Sun God wrote:This could be the most one sided election since Alf Landon ran against Roosevelt or in more modern times Walter Mondale's attempt at Ronnie the Ray Gun.

Hillary by lots.

You might guess that'd be the result if the election was tomorrow. It isn't though and there's plenty of water to go under the bridge between now and November. The shock of the fact that Trump actually won in the face of the party established figures will wear off and he'll have time to sell himself. And he is a pretty good salesman.

Unless something new emerges about Hillary, the Reps have already used all their ammunition, several times, on her.

And as well as Barry, Bill and Joe, she will have the greater dem and union apparatus behind her.

Like TSG says, this will be very ugly for Trump.

With all the threads and pages of garbage on this topic how many people on the bored can actually vote in the upcoming election. For the record I have lived in the US for 17 years but am only a green card holder and can't vote.

camroc1 wrote:Unless something new emerges about Hillary, the Reps have already used all their ammunition, several times, on her.

And as well as Barry, Bill and Joe, she will have the greater dem and union apparatus behind her.

Like TSG says, this will be very ugly for Trump.

I don't think Trump has even got properly started.

Flockwitt wrote:

The Sun God wrote:This could be the most one sided election since Alf Landon ran against Roosevelt or in more modern times Walter Mondale's attempt at Ronnie the Ray Gun.

Hillary by lots.

You might guess that'd be the result if the election was tomorrow. It isn't though and there's plenty of water to go under the bridge between now and November. The shock of the fact that Trump actually won in the face of the party established figures will wear off and he'll have time to sell himself. And he is a pretty good salesman.

Don't forget who Hillary has in the background to orchestrate the final few months. Like him or loath him, he is one of the greatest political operators ever and will be 3 or 4 steps ahead of Trump every step of the way.

The Sun God wrote:

Flockwitt wrote:

The Sun God wrote:This could be the most one sided election since Alf Landon ran against Roosevelt or in more modern times Walter Mondale's attempt at Ronnie the Ray Gun.

Hillary by lots.

You might guess that'd be the result if the election was tomorrow. It isn't though and there's plenty of water to go under the bridge between now and November. The shock of the fact that Trump actually won in the face of the party established figures will wear off and he'll have time to sell himself. And he is a pretty good salesman.

Don't forget who Hillary has in the background to orchestrate the final few months. Like him or loath him, he is one of the greatest political operators ever and will be 3 or 4 steps ahead of Trump every step of the way.

Has she hired Karl Rove?

obelixtim wrote:What are the odds of HC choosing Bill as VP? Would it be possible?

Been discussed previously. The constitution is not 100% explicit on this and it would take a Supreme Court Ruling, but the general consensus is that she probably can't (not that I imagine she'd want to)

kiwinoz wrote:

echo wrote:I can't say I'm nearly as inspired buy Hillary as I am revolted by Trump .I suspect a lot of voters will see it that way and she'll sail into the white house.

I am interested in why Hillary is viewed with such loathing. She has a reasonable record overall-is pretty moderate and obviously has tremendous ambition. She represents the establishment, is part of the troubling tradition of USA dynastic politics and possibly will be the last mainstream candidate given how the US bipartisan system is quite obviously no longer fit for purpose.

Is it because she's a woomin? I suspect a great deal of it is.

I think you suspect wrong. A lying warmonger, who has no ethics and is totally driven by psychopathic ambition yet is easily bought and paid for. The presidential assumption that has been around for a long time sticks in the craw of many.



Oh and shes not easy on the eye.

It would be nice if someone could provide something concrete rather than demonising rhetoric. Its not a hard question.

So far everything anybody has been said has been based on nothing more substantive than a projection of Mrs Underwood's character from House of cards on to her. She wants to be President therefore she most by psyhocpathically ambitious- what you mean like more ambitious that anyone else that wants to be a president? Its all very well to hold career politicians in disdain. I do. But it is disingenuous to project all that disdain onto one of them.

A lying warmonger- tell me more. She was as I understand it a cautious SOS and a multilateralist that was under-pressure form republican tea party "make america great again" types do open cans of whop-ass. She also did her bosses bidding.

She's bought and paid for? Are you kidding. She is not Bernie sure. But campaign finance rules in the states are just awful- why is she worse than anyone else that uses Superpacs or has corporate affiliations?

I instinctively do not like her. Yet I'm not going to let me instincts prejudice my judgement. I know several people that have worked with her and by all accounts she is bright and diligent.

And she aint that easy on the eye. I agree. If she were would you be more supportive? Again hard to avoid the stain of misogyny.

The Sun God wrote:

Flockwitt wrote:

The Sun God wrote:This could be the most one sided election since Alf Landon ran against Roosevelt or in more modern times Walter Mondale's attempt at Ronnie the Ray Gun.

Hillary by lots.

You might guess that'd be the result if the election was tomorrow. It isn't though and there's plenty of water to go under the bridge between now and November. The shock of the fact that Trump actually won in the face of the party established figures will wear off and he'll have time to sell himself. And he is a pretty good salesman.

Don't forget who Hillary has in the background to orchestrate the final few months. Like him or loath him, he is one of the greatest political operators ever and will be 3 or 4 steps ahead of Trump every step of the way.

I have little doubt Hillary will win without some last minute disaster like the Feds actually putting a court case together. But if Trump does a few smart things like say getting the right VP and patching things up with the republicans in general it may not be the utter crushing currently predicted.

echo wrote:

kiwinoz wrote:

echo wrote:I can't say I'm nearly as inspired buy Hillary as I am revolted by Trump .I suspect a lot of voters will see it that way and she'll sail into the white house.

I am interested in why Hillary is viewed with such loathing. She has a reasonable record overall-is pretty moderate and obviously has tremendous ambition. She represents the establishment, is part of the troubling tradition of USA dynastic politics and possibly will be the last mainstream candidate given how the US bipartisan system is quite obviously no longer fit for purpose.

Is it because she's a woomin? I suspect a great deal of it is.

I think you suspect wrong. A lying warmonger, who has no ethics and is totally driven by psychopathic ambition yet is easily bought and paid for. The presidential assumption that has been around for a long time sticks in the craw of many.



Oh and shes not easy on the eye.

It would be nice if someone could provide something concrete rather than demonising rhetoric. Its not a hard question.

So far everything anybody has been said has been based on nothing more substantive than a projection of Mrs Underwood's character from House of cards on to her. She wants to be President therefore she most by psyhocpathically ambitious- what you mean like more ambitious that anyone else that wants to be a president? Its all very well to hold career politicians in disdain. I do. But it is disingenuous to project all that disdain onto one of them.

A lying warmonger- tell me more. She was as I understand it a cautious SOS and a multilateralist that was under-pressure form republican tea party "make america great again" types do open cans of whop-ass. She also did her bosses bidding.

She's bought and paid for? Are you kidding. She is not Bernie sure. But campaign finance rules in the states are just awful- why is she worse than anyone else that uses Superpacs or has corporate affiliations?

I instinctively do not like her. Yet I'm not going to let me instincts prejudice my judgement. I know several people that have worked with her and by all accounts she is bright and diligent.

And she aint that easy on the eye. I agree. If she were would you be more supportive? Again hard to avoid the stain of misogyny.

Very good post.

wonder who would hitchens choose ?

Hardly anybody blames Bill for screwing around.

Jesus christ

I can see why someone might not want Hillary to be president
I can see why someone might think Trump has a chance against Hillary

but actually WANTING TRUMP TO WIN???!!

The guy is a full bore narcissistic sociopath lunatic.
No barriers no filters believes hi9s own bullshit
complete megalomaniac
capable of Putinesque levels of bad decision making and anti democratic crimes.

He would ride roughshod over everything.
wow

You really would have to be both stupid as a rock and an absolute shitbag of a human being to want trump to win. (in my opinion)

What a process eh? Months and months of politiking at it's worst and we end up with ...

Hillary versus Trump

I have a feeling that this will not end well for all of us.

Murrica - fudge yeah

Seneca of the Night wrote:

Petros wrote:Why doesn't Trump drink? another recovering alkie like Dubya?

It's a very good question. Without looking it up, he had an older brother who was the heir presumptive who drank himself to death aged 43. I think there was enough of an age gap, and the rot had kicked in early enough, for the brother to say to Trump 'don't start'.

So I think he's never even touched a drop. Which is remarkable really. He navigated all the nightclubs of Manhattan doing the early deals and shagging all the chicks without drinking.

He's probably a secret muslim. Have we even seen his birth certificate?????

Enzedder wrote:What a process eh? Months and months of politiking at it's worst and we end up with ...

Hillary versus Trump

I have a feeling that this will not end well for all of us.

Murrica - f**k yeah

Watching a super slow motion train smash....

Kiwias wrote:

Silver wrote:

Croft wrote:Trump will spend the next few months grabbing some of the black vote. Romney lost with 59 percent of the white and 6 percent of the black vote. He got 26 percent of the Asian and 27 percent of the Hispanic.

I expect Trump will get more of the white and a lot more of the black vote than Romney, but drop massively on the Hispanic. But anyway the latest polls have Trump and Hillary neck and neck.

I think as time goes on and Clinton is exposed more and more for the bought and controlled dangerous loony she is (that Trump will point out without hesitation) Trumps lead will increase

As opposed to the greatest loose cannon we have ever seen.

It will be a fascinating and very nasty race

Loose cannon for some, the Great Iconoclast for others.

echo wrote:

kiwinoz wrote:

echo wrote:I can't say I'm nearly as inspired buy Hillary as I am revolted by Trump .I suspect a lot of voters will see it that way and she'll sail into the white house.

I am interested in why Hillary is viewed with such loathing. She has a reasonable record overall-is pretty moderate and obviously has tremendous ambition. She represents the establishment, is part of the troubling tradition of USA dynastic politics and possibly will be the last mainstream candidate given how the US bipartisan system is quite obviously no longer fit for purpose.

Is it because she's a woomin? I suspect a great deal of it is.

I think you suspect wrong. A lying warmonger, who has no ethics and is totally driven by psychopathic ambition yet is easily bought and paid for. The presidential assumption that has been around for a long time sticks in the craw of many.



Oh and shes not easy on the eye.

It would be nice if someone could provide something concrete rather than demonising rhetoric. Its not a hard question.

So far everything anybody has been said has been based on nothing more substantive than a projection of Mrs Underwood's character from House of cards on to her. She wants to be President therefore she most by psyhocpathically ambitious- what you mean like more ambitious that anyone else that wants to be a president? Its all very well to hold career politicians in disdain. I do. But it is disingenuous to project all that disdain onto one of them.

A lying warmonger- tell me more. She was as I understand it a cautious SOS and a multilateralist that was under-pressure form republican tea party "make america great again" types do open cans of whop-ass. She also did her bosses bidding.

She's bought and paid for? Are you kidding. She is not Bernie sure. But campaign finance rules in the states are just awful- why is she worse than anyone else that uses Superpacs or has corporate affiliations?

I instinctively do not like her. Yet I'm not going to let me instincts prejudice my judgement. I know several people that have worked with her and by all accounts she is bright and diligent.

And she aint that easy on the eye. I agree. If she were would you be more supportive? Again hard to avoid the stain of misogyny.

Nah - she's a charmless phoney and people instinctively understand it and are repelled by it.

Trust the Force on this one.

Petros wrote:Why doesn't Trump drink? another recovering alkie like Dubya?

Abstinence is a sign of singularity of intent. Hitler for instance was a vegetarian.

An Uber-politician Vs the anti-politician.

Light Vs Dark (NO, NOT like that Eight-eye)

Good Vs Evil

Crunchy Vs Smooth

East Vs West

Capulet Vs Montague

Crip Vs Blood

Jedi Vs Sith

Alien Vs Predator (which is which? answer on the back of a postcard please)



FFS USA, how are THESE the two most likely candidates for POTUS? How?????

Seneca of the Night wrote:

Petros wrote:Why doesn't Trump drink? another recovering alkie like Dubya?

It's a very good question. Without looking it up, he had an older brother who was the heir presumptive who drank himself to death aged 43. I think there was enough of an age gap, and the rot had kicked in early enough, for the brother to say to Trump 'don't start'.

So I think he's never even touched a drop. Which is remarkable really. He navigated all the nightclubs of Manhattan doing the early deals and shagging all the chicks without drinking.

Bit was quite happy to lend his name to promote a brand of vodka (Trump Vodka - I kid you not). He even went as far as predicting that the most requested drink in Americ would soon be the T&T (Trump & tonic). It was, of course, manufactured overseas.......

waguser wrote: capable of Putinesque levels of bad decision making and anti democratic crimes.

Democracy is in its death throes anyway. At least with Trump and Putin leading two major players, we might have a balance of power, or even better, a rapprochement between the US and Russia.

Seneca of the Night wrote:

Eight_Eye wrote:

Petros wrote:Why doesn't Trump drink? another recovering alkie like Dubya?

Abstinence is a sign of singularity of intent. Hitler for instance was a vegetarian.

Hitler didn't drink either.

However, it seems that he was wired to f**k on crystal meth, and that's what really did him in and why he looked so bad and went mad in his early 50s.

He was fueled by a cocktail of as many as 80 drugs apparently.

He also suffered from flatulence on a massive scale because of his diet. I'm not sure what the ventilation in the bunker was like, but there is always the chance he died from his own methane.

Eight_Eye wrote:

waguser wrote: capable of Putinesque levels of bad decision making and anti democratic crimes.

Democracy is in its death throes anyway. At least with Trump and Putin leading two major players, we might have a balance of power, or even better, a rapprochement between the US and Russia.

FRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUIT LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP

WOOOOO WOOOO WOOOOOOOO

Seneca of the Night wrote: Well, he was certainly an interesting fellow.

Truly fascinating and too complex for most to comprehend.

Hillary

Pros: her first time in office (1993 to 2003 if memory serves) was a good period for the USA. The only small problem she had to deal with was her spokesperson William Jefferson shagging interns and lying about it.

Cons: she shagged Yoko Ono, who in turn was responsible for the Beatles breaking up,. Unforgivable.


The Don

Pros: Uhmmmm. Yeah there was this one time when he. No wait that was someone else. Errr... He once gave some. Nope. Not him either. I'll get back to the bored on this.

Con: he's a right-wing egotistical racist scumbag with no morals and no conscience. If he wins it won't be the first time he has taken a black family out of their home for his own enrichment.


This is going to be an election where people decide who they don't want in office. If I was a Septic I would vote for Clinton.


But with the world wide increase in terrorism, immigrants both legal and illegal, etc. there has been quite a huge swift to the right, so people might actually vote for The Don and the GOP.

Eight_Eye wrote:

Petros wrote:Why doesn't Trump drink? another recovering alkie like Dubya?

Abstinence is a sign of singularity of intent. Hitler for instance was a vegetarian.

Can use that one against the vege nazis who infest social media with their rantings....

Seneca of the Night wrote:

troglodiet wrote:Hillary

Pros: her first time in office (1993 to 2003 if memory serves) was a good period for the USA. The only small problem she had to deal with was her spokesperson William Jefferson shagging interns and lying about it.

Cons: she shagged Yoko Ono, who in turn was responsible for the Beatles breaking up,. Unforgivable.


The Don

Pros: Uhmmmm. Yeah there was this one time when he. No wait that was someone else. Errr... He once gave some. Nope. Not him either. I'll get back to the bored on this.

Con: he's a right-wing egotistical racist scumbag with no morals and no conscience. If he wins it won't be the first time he has taken a black family out of their home for his own enrichment.


This is going to be an election where people decide who they don't want in office. If I was a Septic I would vote for Clinton.


But with the world wide increase in terrorism, immigrants both legal and illegal, etc. there has been quite a huge swift to the right, so people might actually vote for The Don and the GOP.

Interesting. I'm normally pretty up with internet rumour but I didn't know Hillary shagged Yoko Ono.

Yoko said so herself, so it's probably a bit more than just a rumour.

Yoko is a horrible person. And bloody ugly too. I've never understood how she managed to get Lennon to shag her, whilst he could probably pick any woman on the planet at the time.

Hillary was actually rather foxy in her 30's and 40's. Which makes it even more difficult to understand how Yoko managed to get a finger in the pie there (pardon the pun).

Yoko is a horrible person

Nice Tom Hollander anecdote in the Speccie about her being a horror.

Seneca of the Night wrote:

zzzz wrote:

Yoko is a horrible person

Nice Tom Hollander anecdote in the Speccie about her being a horror.

I read that. Quite a funny column.

He's always good value - if you like that whole funny, self-hating schtick. Would be very good company until the angst kicked in.

I think Trump and his supporters will never be parted. But winning elections is not about getting the enthused, but persuading those who aren't committed to back you. Trump is a very well known candidate; his negatives are higher than anyone who will ever have run for President.

Trump is strongly rumored to be considering Gingrich as his VP. That would be the golden ticket for Democrats to get their voter out and I just cant conceive of any way he can turn more needed independents, women, Hispanics, blacks and more college educated white people to now vote for him. But then I couldn't conceive of a way for him to win the nomination.

Great Trump story...cut & paste from NY Magazine.

"The most surreal and characteristic moment of Trump’s presidential campaign may have taken place two months ago. That week, Mitt Romney had mocked Trump’s business acumen, highlighting his many failed ventures, including Trump Steaks, in a well-regarded and highly publicized speech that articulated both the horror with which Republican elites regarded Trump and their strategy for preventing him from capturing the nomination. A few days later, having won a series of victories, Trump appeared in his Mar-a-Lago resort to insist Trump Steaks were indeed a going concern. “Do we have steaks? We have Trump steaks. He said the steak company, and we have Trump steaks. And by the way, if you want to take one, we’ll charge you about, what, 50 bucks a steak?” It was not only a blatant lie, but a lie that required no sophistication at all to see through. One did not need a grasp of economics or public policy to understand that Trump Steaks is a no-longer-extant product. There are no advertisements for these steaks. They are not available for purchase anywhere. They do not exist. Trump simply had his staff purchase a bunch of steaks at a supermarket and display them on a table, and call them “Trump Steaks.” But — and here is the most incredible detail of all, the one that reveals just how blunt the Trump con is — his campaign did not even bother to completely remove the wrappers from the steaks they purchased. The steaks still had the labels from the local butcher from which they were purchased."

There's high up people (Senators, Representatives, conservative commentators like Bill Kristol, George Will) looking for someone to do a third party run on the right where the candidate would have to know going in he is losing. Public reasoning is "Trump is no better than Hillary", but also to provide downballot coverage to Republicans who think Trump is toxic and are in tough reelections.

If it does happen, my guess is either a former governor/Senator or an existing Representative. (If he were much much younger I think George H.W. Bush would be perfect.)

Next, the public doesn't like Trump and Hillary combined more than any candidate pairing the last 40 years. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ame ... -breaking/

Good story but surely the most surreal moment was him announcing that he wanted to build a giant wall along the Mexican border, and that he would get Mexico to pay for it.

Seneca of the Night wrote:Welcome back Brian.

Kudos.. you reactionary, pompous, gin swilling fart. You called his GOP nomination way back when nobody else did. Nobody.

Seneca of the Night wrote:

Flyin Ryan wrote:There's high up people (Senators, Representatives, conservative commentators like Bill Kristol, George Will) looking for someone to do a third party run on the right where the candidate would have to know going in he is losing. Public reasoning is "Trump is no better than Hillary", but also to provide downballot coverage to Republicans who think Trump is toxic and are in tough reelections.

If it does happen, my guess is either a former governor/Senator or an existing Representative. (If he were much younger I think George H.W. Bush would be perfect.)

Next, the public doesn't like Trump and Hillary combined more than any candidate pairing the last 40 years. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ame ... -breaking/

Bill Kristol, George Will, and Nate Silver have had their careers eviscerated by Trump in the past six months. They count for nothing.

That has nothing to deal with anything.

Seneca of the Night wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:Good story but surely the most surreal moment was him announcing that he wanted to build a giant wall along the Mexican border, and that he would get Mexico to pay for it.

What's surreal about that?

Trying too hard now

Duff Paddy wrote:Good story but surely the most surreal moment was him announcing that he wanted to build a giant wall along the Mexican border, and that he would get Mexico to pay for it.

I am hoping he repeats this over the next few months.

bimboman wrote:

Duff Paddy wrote:Good story but surely the most surreal moment was him announcing that he wanted to build a giant wall along the Mexican border, and that he would get Mexico to pay for it.

I am hoping he repeats this over the next few months.

He's got the nomination now, all bets are off. We don't understand how he got this far so let's be honest - we're f**ked.