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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:07 pm
by Fat Old Git
How many kiddies get killed by guns in the US each year?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:37 pm
by Turbogoat
Turbogoat wrote:Catching up now on the National Security Team just contradict Trump on virtually every position.
North Korea are still a nuclear threat and will likely continue to develop nukes.
Iran are not developing nukes
Mexico and the SW Border are NOT a major threat
Cyberwarfare and other attempts to influence upcoming elections (and other domestic issues) from both Russia and China are a major threat.
(Apologies for quoting myself, won't happen again)

Trump has fired back at his entire Intelligence apparatus, calling them "extremely passive" "naive" and "wrong", cos he knows better than the tens of thousands of professional intel bods who spend every working minute trying to gather the info needed to actually keep him informed. :roll:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:16 pm
by Dubh01
Saffer13
Less about the woman and more about being ok with kiling a baby up until birth.
And still posting shite... Can't or don't you read?
Dubh01 wrote:
saffer13 wrote:You lot are like a bunch bloodthirsty libs just waiting for a complete meltdown :lol:

Speaking of bloodthirsty libs. New York allowing abortion up until the due date. :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

Jeez you post some shite...
The law also addresses late-term abortions. Under New York's Reproductive Health Act, they can be performed after 24 weeks if the fetus is not viable or when necessary to protect the life of the mother.
"It's about the health and safety of the mother and it's always been the point where the conservatives wave the flag, they want to roll back Roe v. Wade -- this is not gray here it's black and white," said Cuomo.
New York puts in measures to protect access to abortion even if Roe v. Wade is overturned

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:21 pm
by icon
I’m curious about what age the GOP deems individuals to be fair game

They want the unborn fully protected, yet 6 year-olds were gunned down at Sandy Hook and they continue to resist gun control legislation

So somewhere between the ages of 1-6 the Republican Party, it seems, deems personal safety secondary to commercial interests

Perhaps they could give us an exact number, just to clear things up

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:22 pm
by Deadtigers
saffer13 wrote:Mate, you can be ok with a full term abortion. I'm not. Not much to argue about here.
But just ok with the sexual assualters that create them?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:28 pm
by Deadtigers
Deadtigers wrote:
saffer13 wrote:Mate, you can be ok with a full term abortion. I'm not. Not much to argue about here.
But just ok with the sexual assualters that create them?
Why are anti-abortionists all stick no carrot?

Universal healthcare would help the child when they are born? Fix the FMLA, allow women to take longer time of to be home with their kids? make all the costs of daycare tax deductible? Gun control so the kid isn't senselessly killed. I mean just an idea.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:04 pm
by tiddle

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:05 pm
by Petej
Turbogoat wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:Catching up now on the National Security Team just contradict Trump on virtually every position.
North Korea are still a nuclear threat and will likely continue to develop nukes.
Iran are not developing nukes
Mexico and the SW Border are NOT a major threat
Cyberwarfare and other attempts to influence upcoming elections (and other domestic issues) from both Russia and China are a major threat.
(Apologies for quoting myself, won't happen again)

Trump has fired back at his entire Intelligence apparatus, calling them "extremely passive" "naive" and "wrong", cos he knows better than the tens of thousands of professional intel bods who spend every working minute trying to gather the info needed to actually keep him informed. :roll:
They know nothing compared to fox news.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:27 am
by Kiwias
BokJock wrote:
Kiwias wrote:Roger Stone on Fox with Hannity argued that the Dems aim is to remove Trump and Pence on faked up charges related to Russia, then make Pelosi president so she can nominate Hillary as VP, then step aside on some faked illness, and
HEY PRESTO
We have President Hillary
Someone has been watching Designated Survivor
What is that?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:31 am
by Kiwias
Turbogoat wrote:It's a pity all those extremely vocal anti-abortion protesters and activists were so conspicuously silent when it came to all those babies, toddler and kiddies being kept in cages near the SW border.
They claim to care one whole damn lot about the unborn child, but once they're born? You're on your own there, Juan.
The late great George Carlin nailed it.
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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:33 am
by Kiwias
Deadtigers wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:
saffer13 wrote:Mate, you can be ok with a full term abortion. I'm not. Not much to argue about here.
But just ok with the sexual assualters that create them?
Why are anti-abortionists all stick no carrot?

Universal healthcare would help the child when they are born? Fix the FMLA, allow women to take longer time of to be home with their kids? make all the costs of daycare tax deductible? Gun control so the kid isn't senselessly killed. I mean just an idea.
Another idea would be to restore federal funding to Planned Parenthood.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:42 am
by flaggETERNAL
Kiwias wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:It's a pity all those extremely vocal anti-abortion protesters and activists were so conspicuously silent when it came to all those babies, toddler and kiddies being kept in cages near the SW border.
They claim to care one whole damn lot about the unborn child, but once they're born? You're on your own there, Juan.
The late great George Carlin nailed it.
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George Carlin would have had a field day with Trump and co. And with the New Left twats and their ilk tbf.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:19 am
by Kiwias
Turbogoat wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:Catching up now on the National Security Team just contradict Trump on virtually every position.
North Korea are still a nuclear threat and will likely continue to develop nukes.
Iran are not developing nukes
Mexico and the SW Border are NOT a major threat
Cyberwarfare and other attempts to influence upcoming elections (and other domestic issues) from both Russia and China are a major threat.
(Apologies for quoting myself, won't happen again)

Trump has fired back at his entire Intelligence apparatus, calling them "extremely passive" "naive" and "wrong", cos he knows better than the tens of thousands of professional intel bods who spend every working minute trying to gather the info needed to actually keep him informed. :roll:
He actually told them to go back to school!!!
There (sic; talking about Iran) economy is now crashing, which is the only thing holding them back. Be careful of Iran. Perhaps Intelligence should go back to school!

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:26 am
by Slim 293
“Perhaps Intelligence should go back to school!”

:lol:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:30 am
by Mr Mike
That’s going straight to the Library of Congress.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:42 am
by flaggETERNAL
I quickly glanced at an article that says Trump wants his favourite book, the Bible back in US classrooms and for the life of me I don't know if it was a real article or just a satirical piece. We live in very strange times.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:29 am
by Kiwias
McConnell's response to a bill introduced by the Democrats to make polling day a federal holiday was a classic rant in which he claimed it was a power grab by Democrats, "a naked attempt to change the rules of American politics to benefit one party."
In remarks on the Senate floor, McConnell said, "Just what America needs, another paid holiday and a bunch of government workers being paid to go out and work for I assume our folks — our colleagues on the other side, on their campaigns."

He added, "This is the Democrat plan to restore democracy? A brand-new week of paid vacation for every federal employee who would like to hover around while you cast your ballot?"
https://www.businessinsider.com/mcconne ... rab-2019-1

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:37 am
by Jay Cee Gee
McConnell really is just a massive piece of shit.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:07 am
by Waratah
Apologies if posted but this is a great read.
This is also true, and maybe even especially true, when Trump is obviously lying. Even before he banged his own personal left turn and began his full-tilt drive into the desert of cognitive decline, Trump was not an especially nuanced or strategic person. His mind is not what it was, and at its peak it was more of a Magic 8 Ball than a supercomputer. He can’t learn anything because he can’t listen to other people if they aren’t speaking from inside a television; he can’t remember what he hears there because he can’t really care unless it’s about him. These deficits are clear when Trump is extemporizing on furloughed workers cutting deals with the milkman or imagining cartoon coyotes piloting sedans full of duct-taped women across the Rio Grande, but they are even clearer when he tells knowing lies. The former tend to be about other people, and so tend to be both lurid and half-assed; he only really ever applies himself when the lies involve himself.

This gives these lies the advantage of being heartfelt, but it also strips them down. The stories he tells about workers gladly giving up their paychecks for his drowsy racist fantasies and the villains working against him are mostly just sounds he makes to keep himself interested; he might have noticed that they drew louder-than-usual hoots from the seething grandparents and dead-ender rubes at his rallies, but he also might not have. His lies, though, are more elemental. They are never anything more than the opposite of truth. If Trump keeps insisting that he’s not being investigated for his relationship to Russia in gratuitous and unconvincing ways, it’s not because he’s trying to leverage some advanced placement Dealpoint or exploit some hidden businessman’s trick or angle. It’s because he’s literally f**king being investigated for his relationship with Russia and because he very much wants people to think he’s not, and because that’s honestly the best he can do because his brain is an old donut bobbing around in a toilet.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:08 am
by flaggETERNAL
Jay Cee Gee wrote:McConnell really is just a massive piece of shit.
He was nowhere to be seen during the shutdown and now he has something to say. A massive piece of shit indeed.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:22 am
by Deadtigers
flaggETERNAL wrote:I quickly glanced at an article that says Trump wants his favourite book, the Bible back in US classrooms and for the life of me I don't know if it was a real article or just a satirical piece. We live in very strange times.
I know someone whose complaint is these days, he can't tell if something is an onion headline or not.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:25 am
by Kiwias
Jay Cee Gee wrote:McConnell really is just a massive piece of shit.
You've got to be a weird person to view steps to make it easier for all Americans to vote as a naked attempt to change the rules of American politics.

As one Democrat put it, ""If more people voting is bad for your political party, maybe try fixing your party."

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:37 am
by Deadtigers
flaggETERNAL wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:McConnell really is just a massive piece of shit.
He was nowhere to be seen during the shutdown and now he has something to say. A massive piece of shit indeed.
By rights, McConnell’s tombstone should say that he presided over the end of the Senate. And I’d add a second line: “He broke America.” No man has done more in recent years to undermine the functioning of U.S. government. His has been the epitome of unprincipled leadership, the triumph of tactics in service of short-term power.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 2ff6009316

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:03 am
by Kiwias
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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:57 am
by Hong Kong
Waratah wrote:Apologies if posted but this is a great read.
This is also true, and maybe even especially true, when Trump is obviously lying. Even before he banged his own personal left turn and began his full-tilt drive into the desert of cognitive decline, Trump was not an especially nuanced or strategic person. His mind is not what it was, and at its peak it was more of a Magic 8 Ball than a supercomputer. He can’t learn anything because he can’t listen to other people if they aren’t speaking from inside a television; he can’t remember what he hears there because he can’t really care unless it’s about him. These deficits are clear when Trump is extemporizing on furloughed workers cutting deals with the milkman or imagining cartoon coyotes piloting sedans full of duct-taped women across the Rio Grande, but they are even clearer when he tells knowing lies. The former tend to be about other people, and so tend to be both lurid and half-assed; he only really ever applies himself when the lies involve himself.

This gives these lies the advantage of being heartfelt, but it also strips them down. The stories he tells about workers gladly giving up their paychecks for his drowsy racist fantasies and the villains working against him are mostly just sounds he makes to keep himself interested; he might have noticed that they drew louder-than-usual hoots from the seething grandparents and dead-ender rubes at his rallies, but he also might not have. His lies, though, are more elemental. They are never anything more than the opposite of truth. If Trump keeps insisting that he’s not being investigated for his relationship to Russia in gratuitous and unconvincing ways, it’s not because he’s trying to leverage some advanced placement Dealpoint or exploit some hidden businessman’s trick or angle. It’s because he’s literally f**king being investigated for his relationship with Russia and because he very much wants people to think he’s not, and because that’s honestly the best he can do because his brain is an old donut bobbing around in a toilet.
that is indeed a cracking read and the last sentence a belter of a put down

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:16 am
by Kiwias
Good read, Tah. Thanks

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:50 am
by Rinkals
Dubh01 wrote:
Saffer13
Less about the woman and more about being ok with kiling a baby up until birth.
And still posting shite... Can't or don't you read?
Dubh01 wrote:
saffer13 wrote:You lot are like a bunch bloodthirsty libs just waiting for a complete meltdown :lol:

Speaking of bloodthirsty libs. New York allowing abortion up until the due date. :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

Jeez you post some shite...
The law also addresses late-term abortions. Under New York's Reproductive Health Act, they can be performed after 24 weeks if the fetus is not viable or when necessary to protect the life of the mother.
"It's about the health and safety of the mother and it's always been the point where the conservatives wave the flag, they want to roll back Roe v. Wade -- this is not gray here it's black and white," said Cuomo.
New York puts in measures to protect access to abortion even if Roe v. Wade is overturned
He's a teacher. They don't actually need to be able to do it; they just have to be able to teach others how.

Frankly, given the stupidity needed to vote Trump in in the first place, which pales in comparison with the stupidity needed to think the President is doing a good job (as I saw several Americans claim on a BBC piece last night), I cannot hold out much hope for the generation that Saffer is currently instructing.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:50 am
by RuggaBugga
Dubh01 wrote:
Saffer13
Less about the woman and more about being ok with kiling a baby up until birth.
And still posting shite... Can't or don't you read?
Dubh01 wrote:
saffer13 wrote:You lot are like a bunch bloodthirsty libs just waiting for a complete meltdown :lol:

Speaking of bloodthirsty libs. New York allowing abortion up until the due date. :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

Jeez you post some shite...
The law also addresses late-term abortions. Under New York's Reproductive Health Act, they can be performed after 24 weeks if the fetus is not viable or when necessary to protect the life of the mother.
"It's about the health and safety of the mother and it's always been the point where the conservatives wave the flag, they want to roll back Roe v. Wade -- this is not gray here it's black and white," said Cuomo.
New York puts in measures to protect access to abortion even if Roe v. Wade is overturned
The corollary of his idiotic position is being pro woman dying or carrying unviable fetus's to term so they can die a slower death.

Lets not even mention all the children being killed by guns eh?

It's like listening to a thick parrot that's just been watching Fox news.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:24 am
by Wignu
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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:56 am
by Rinkals
Kiwias wrote:Good read, Tah. Thanks
Yes.

"his brain is an old donut bobbing around in a toilet."

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:01 am
by Rinkals
RuggaBugga wrote:
Dubh01 wrote:
Saffer13
Less about the woman and more about being ok with kiling a baby up until birth.
And still posting shite... Can't or don't you read?
Dubh01 wrote:
saffer13 wrote:You lot are like a bunch bloodthirsty libs just waiting for a complete meltdown :lol:

Speaking of bloodthirsty libs. New York allowing abortion up until the due date. :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

Jeez you post some shite...
The law also addresses late-term abortions. Under New York's Reproductive Health Act, they can be performed after 24 weeks if the fetus is not viable or when necessary to protect the life of the mother.
"It's about the health and safety of the mother and it's always been the point where the conservatives wave the flag, they want to roll back Roe v. Wade -- this is not gray here it's black and white," said Cuomo.
New York puts in measures to protect access to abortion even if Roe v. Wade is overturned
The corollary of his idiotic position is being pro woman dying or carrying unviable fetus's to term so they can die a slower death.

Lets not even mention all the children being killed by guns eh?

It's like listening to a thick parrot that's just been watching Fox news.
It does seem to me that men are strongly over-represented in the whole pro-life debate.

I'm inclined to have some sympathy for embryonic human life, but I'm aware that, as a male, I would never have to make what must be an extremely painful decision myself.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:17 am
by ManInTheBar
I note that Sanders (S) says that God wanted Trump as President

Shame He could not fix the mid-terms too eh?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:21 am
by Turbogoat
ManInTheBar wrote:I note that Sanders (S) says that God wanted Trump as President

Shame He could not fix the mid-terms too eh?
That's just because 'God' is the administrations code word for Putin.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:16 am
by houtkabouter
So it seems his Foxconn Wisconsin factory is another Trumped up bullshit promise.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nyti ... n.amp.html

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:42 am
by Turbogoat
It seems the Russians have had another crack at trying to discredit the Mueller investigation. Maybe they're worried about something?

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/30/poli ... index.html

https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-co ... eller-says

Docs obtained from the discovery process in the Concord Management case (part of the Putin's Chef personal empire), deliberately distorted to appear as benign as possible were posted on a twitter account that claimed (falsely) they had been obtained direct from the Mueller investigation.

Interesting.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:00 pm
by saffer13
Deadtigers wrote:
saffer13 wrote:Mate, you can be ok with a full term abortion. I'm not. Not much to argue about here.
But just ok with the sexual assualters that create them?
What a leap. No, not at all...not that I should have to clarify that but given you went there I guess I need to.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:04 pm
by Big Nipper
@Saffer, have you had a chance to formulate a response to the NY abortion law for abortions after 24 weeks? You know, the one you interpreted so selectively

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:06 pm
by Turbogoat
saffer13 wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:
saffer13 wrote:Mate, you can be ok with a full term abortion. I'm not. Not much to argue about here.
But just ok with the sexual assualters that create them?
What a leap. No, not at all...not that I should have to clarify that but given you went there I guess I need to.
That might have been a little more convincing if you hadn't included your own massive leap in your own post that you quoted.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:07 pm
by saffer13
Rinkals wrote: Frankly, given the stupidity needed to vote Trump in in the first place, which pales in comparison with the stupidity needed to think the President is doing a good job (as I saw several Americans claim on a BBC piece last night), I cannot hold out much hope for the generation that Saffer is currently instructing.
Back to the stupidity comments with you. :lol:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:10 pm
by saffer13
Turbogoat wrote:
saffer13 wrote:
Deadtigers wrote:
saffer13 wrote:Mate, you can be ok with a full term abortion. I'm not. Not much to argue about here.
But just ok with the sexual assualters that create them?
What a leap. No, not at all...not that I should have to clarify that but given you went there I guess I need to.
That might have been a little more convincing if you hadn't included your own massive leap in your own post that you quoted.
Not sure which leap you're referring to, mate. I just stated my opinion/stance on abortion. I forget every now any then doing that is not ok with the tolerant left :lol: