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It's almost as if Blasey Ford (and apparently most women) are aware that coming forward about being sexually assaulted as a 15yr old makes them open season for ridicule and further attacks on them as a person.

This really isn't an edifying path here, guys.


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saffer13 wrote:
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Yip, why couldn't she foresee the President of her country doing a stand up routine about her?

Silly girl, silly silly girl

So you're saying she's not the sharpest tool in the shed then...she clearly isn't a PR member or she would have known.


She lives in such rarified air in her university
(with 80% females attendees, all fighting against male domination ! 69 % female professors ... probably all suppressed and oppressed !!!!)
and nice expensive California home (mean worth around 3.5 million dollars, in her bailiwick...) that she would never know anybody is questioning her truthfulness .... .

Nor would she care.


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It's almost as if Blasey Ford (and apparently most women) are aware that coming forward about being sexually assaulted as a 15yr old makes them open season for ridicule and further attacks on them as a person.

This really isn't an edifying path here, guys.



I do not know about most women. They are not "under attack" here - but Ford is questioned, yes.
Ford knew exactly what she was doing and she will eventually have to face it. American politics are unforgiving, except when you are a Clinton (or some breeds or Kennedy)


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Turbogoat wrote:
It's almost as if Blasey Ford (and apparently most women) are aware that coming forward about being sexually assaulted as a 15yr old makes them open season for ridicule and further attacks on them as a person.

This really isn't an edifying path here, guys.


You're not still on this dumbarse high horse are you.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
It's almost as if Blasey Ford (and apparently most women) are aware that coming forward about being sexually assaulted as a 15yr old makes them open season for ridicule and further attacks on them as a person.

This really isn't an edifying path here, guys.


You're not still on this dumbarse high horse are you.


Sorry, it was a bit much to expect I guess. I'll lower my expectations of you accordingly.

Have at it.


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Turbogoat wrote:
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It's almost as if Blasey Ford (and apparently most women) are aware that coming forward about being sexually assaulted as a 15yr old makes them open season for ridicule and further attacks on them as a person.

This really isn't an edifying path here, guys.


You're not still on this dumbarse high horse are you.


Sorry, it was a bit much to expect I guess. I'll lower my expectations of you accordingly.

Have at it.


You're not stating anything anyone disagrees with, just merely getting all pompous about any questioning of the veracity of her story.

This was a very unusual case. She did the right thing with a private letter to Feinstein's office. But they fcked it up, blowing her anonymity, and Kavanaughs right to be accused of such a thing in accordance with some sort of process. Her story holds less water than almost all these types of cases because we never even would have got to victim shaming because she didn't meet the normal threshold for being even an alleged victim.

Hard to think how she could have been treated better given the wafer thin substance of her allegation.

There should be an investigation into the leak and someone should get fired or worse.


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Imagine if the FBI had actually been able to speak to the principle actors involved and actually managed to come up with something exculpatory - then you might have a point.


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Imagine if the FBI had actually been able to speak to the principle actors involved and actually managed to come up with something exculpatory - then you might have a point.


Imagine there's no war. Easy if you try.


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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Imagine if the FBI had actually been able to speak to the principle actors involved and actually managed to come up with something exculpatory - then you might have a point.


Imagine there's no war. Easy if you try.


:lol:


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Imagine if the FBI had actually been able to speak to the principle actors involved and actually managed to come up with something exculpatory - then you might have a point.



Imagine this is the FBI's seventh bite at the cherry..... She should have reported it to the police and get it done. Like other women have to. Instead of grandstanding in front of the world, in Senate ....

Privileged woman, special treatment, not the raw and rough handling a common whore or poor woman have to expect as normal ...


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Imagine if the FBI had actually been able to speak to the principle actors involved and actually managed to come up with something exculpatory - then you might have a point.

If she actually has credible witnesses, then she should go to court. The great majority of the media will support her.


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Fangle wrote:
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Imagine if the FBI had actually been able to speak to the principle actors involved and actually managed to come up with something exculpatory - then you might have a point.

If she actually has credible witnesses, then she should go to court. The great majority of the media will support her.



If she had credible evidence most people from all over the world would support her.
She does not appear to have any evidence. Or credibility, despite the kid glove treatment.


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Fangle wrote:
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Imagine if the FBI had actually been able to speak to the principle actors involved and actually managed to come up with something exculpatory - then you might have a point.

If she actually has credible witnesses, then she should go to court. The great majority of the media will support her.


She did actually name several people who were then backed up by an entry in Kav's calendar that would've been worth having trained FBI investigators actually get to talk to, but that never came to pass.

Oh well.


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She also named people who promptly swore that she was "wrong" (lied, if she was a common poor woman)


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Turbogoat wrote:
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Imagine if the FBI had actually been able to speak to the principle actors involved and actually managed to come up with something exculpatory - then you might have a point.

If she actually has credible witnesses, then she should go to court. The great majority of the media will support her.


She did actually name several people who were then backed up by an entry in Kav's calendar that would've been worth having trained FBI investigators actually get to talk to, but that never came to pass.

Oh well.

So it should be easy for people who actually investigate these crimes (not the FBI in this case) to make a case and bring charges. :thumbup:


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Turbogoat wrote:
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Imagine if the FBI had actually been able to speak to the principle actors involved and actually managed to come up with something exculpatory - then you might have a point.

If she actually has credible witnesses, then she should go to court. The great majority of the media will support her.


She did actually name several people who were then backed up by an entry in Kav's calendar that would've been worth having trained FBI investigators actually get to talk to, but that never came to pass.

Oh well.

So it should be easy for people who actually investigate these crimes (not the FBI in this case) to make a case and bring charges. :thumbup:



:lol:


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Imagine if the FBI had actually been able to speak to the principle actors involved and actually managed to come up with something exculpatory - then you might have a point.



Imagine this is the FBI's seventh bite at the cherry..... She should have reported it to the police and get it done. Like other women have to. Instead of grandstanding in front of the world, in Senate ....

Privileged woman, special treatment, not the raw and rough handling a common whore or poor woman have to expect as normal:

Put the pipe down you nasty old twat. Puerile gibberish.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:19 pm 
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FBI do very very few sex crimes. Those are local police jurisdiction.


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saffer13 wrote:
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Imagine if the FBI had actually been able to speak to the principle actors involved and actually managed to come up with something exculpatory - then you might have a point.

If she actually has credible witnesses, then she should go to court. The great majority of the media will support her.


She did actually name several people who were then backed up by an entry in Kav's calendar that would've been worth having trained FBI investigators actually get to talk to, but that never came to pass.

Oh well.

So it should be easy for people who actually investigate these crimes (not the FBI in this case) to make a case and bring charges. :thumbup:


I never said that they'd get enough for a criminal trial. There was always a higher probability that they'd uncover something exculpatory - which obviously would've been much better for the Kav and there would've been actual closure to this, rather than the half assed political window dressing.

But, it's too late now, it's done.


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Turbogoat wrote:
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Turbogoat wrote:
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Turbogoat wrote:
Imagine if the FBI had actually been able to speak to the principle actors involved and actually managed to come up with something exculpatory - then you might have a point.

If she actually has credible witnesses, then she should go to court. The great majority of the media will support her.


She did actually name several people who were then backed up by an entry in Kav's calendar that would've been worth having trained FBI investigators actually get to talk to, but that never came to pass.

Oh well.

So it should be easy for people who actually investigate these crimes (not the FBI in this case) to make a case and bring charges. :thumbup:


I never said that they'd get enough for a criminal trial. There was always a higher probability that they'd uncover something exculpatory - which obviously would've been much better for the Kav and there would've been actual closure to this, rather than the half assed political window dressing.

But, it's too late now, it's done.

So you wanted a witch hunt then...with no time constraints, etc. Got it.


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Haley resigning? Curious.


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So you wanted a witch hunt then...with no time constraints, etc. Got it.

When it comes to something as important as someone joining the Supreme Court, why not?


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So you wanted a witch hunt then...with no time constraints, etc. Got it.



sigh... no. Don't lower yourself to that level, you're better than that.
An honest investigation by the FBI as originally intended was non-partisan, could've been very good for Kav, is not a witch hunt.
But that's been and gone. All that remains is for 'men' to line up and abuse the person who reported (eventually, yeah yeah) a sexual assault. That inevitable reaction is a massive reason why so many women are so hesitant about reporting sexual assault. It's messed up that she is now seen as a free-for-all target by some very, very small 'men' in the wake of all this.


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Haley resigning? Curious.


UN Ambassdor? Really? Info?

edit: found:

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/09/poli ... l?adkey=bn

Interesting.


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Haley resigning? Curious.


Indeed. Can't find anything giving her reasons.


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She's having a joint press conference with Trump apparently - doesn't sound like a firing/falling out situation (Trump would be hiding in his tweeting cubicle for that).


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Haley resigning? Curious.


Indeed. Can't find anything giving her reasons.


developed a conscience - in fairness to Trump's supporters he's continuing to do what he said he'd do...draining the swamp


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Dons new sex toy gone.

Gonna be a great new book.


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So you wanted a witch hunt then...with no time constraints, etc. Got it.

When it comes to something as important as someone joining the Supreme Court, why not?


All important job interviews should be accompanied by a witch hunt. It should be like checking references really.


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Haley resigning? Curious.


Indeed. Can't find anything giving her reasons.


A looming expenses scandal apparently

Draining the swamp (that he created)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/nikki-haley-resigns-resignation-un-ambassador-trump-luxury-private-jet-white-house-a8575876.html


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Found it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-40937429

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The 2013 incident only became public in 2015 when radio personality David Mueller- who lost his job after Ms Swift's team reported the groping claim to his radio station - filed a defamation lawsuit against Ms Swift.

With the incident out in the open, Ms Swift filed a countersuit alleging sexual assault - which she has just won.

In court, Taylor Swift's mother, Andrea Swift, said she did not go to police when her daughter first told her she had been groped because: "I did not want this event to define her life."

"I did not want her to have to live through the endless memes and gifs that tabloid media and internet trolls decided to come up with - doctoring the pictures… and making her relive this awful moment over and over again," she said.
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Taylor Swift's reasons for not going to the police, as told by her mother, who is part of her management team, are revealing. The case highlights how some victims fear being ridiculed, not being believed or not being taken seriously after reporting an alleged sexual assault.


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The trial showed how some defence lawyers try to undermine the credibility of an alleged victim.

But some of the most potent moments occurred when Taylor Swift refused to let that happen.

At one point, rejecting an accusation that she had misidentified Mueller, she said: "I'm not going to allow you or your client to say I am to blame."


I am quoting parts of the report on Taylor Swift's court case, to hilight the similarities between her case and Dr. Ford's and to suggest that these experiences are not isolated incidents for a lot of women. Trump's attempts to humiliate Ford have certainly worked extremely well, but I suspect that there will be repercussions.

I found Ford's testimony to be a lot more compelling than Kavaugh's, and although one likes to presume innocence in the absence of indisputable evidence (which doesn't include hand-drawn calendars) I found it far more likely that he was lying than that she was.


You are, of course, entitled to your opinion but FWIW I think it is far more likely that she was lying than he was.


Yes, that is Trump's current view.

At the time, I think he called her "a very credible witness" and "very compelling". Can i ask why you are so convinced that she was lying? and that Kavanaughs own description of himself as a moderate drinker was easier to believe?


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Rinkals wrote:
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Found it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-40937429

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The 2013 incident only became public in 2015 when radio personality David Mueller- who lost his job after Ms Swift's team reported the groping claim to his radio station - filed a defamation lawsuit against Ms Swift.

With the incident out in the open, Ms Swift filed a countersuit alleging sexual assault - which she has just won.

In court, Taylor Swift's mother, Andrea Swift, said she did not go to police when her daughter first told her she had been groped because: "I did not want this event to define her life."

"I did not want her to have to live through the endless memes and gifs that tabloid media and internet trolls decided to come up with - doctoring the pictures… and making her relive this awful moment over and over again," she said.
...
Taylor Swift's reasons for not going to the police, as told by her mother, who is part of her management team, are revealing. The case highlights how some victims fear being ridiculed, not being believed or not being taken seriously after reporting an alleged sexual assault.


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The trial showed how some defence lawyers try to undermine the credibility of an alleged victim.

But some of the most potent moments occurred when Taylor Swift refused to let that happen.

At one point, rejecting an accusation that she had misidentified Mueller, she said: "I'm not going to allow you or your client to say I am to blame."


I am quoting parts of the report on Taylor Swift's court case, to hilight the similarities between her case and Dr. Ford's and to suggest that these experiences are not isolated incidents for a lot of women. Trump's attempts to humiliate Ford have certainly worked extremely well, but I suspect that there will be repercussions.

I found Ford's testimony to be a lot more compelling than Kavaugh's, and although one likes to presume innocence in the absence of indisputable evidence (which doesn't include hand-drawn calendars) I found it far more likely that he was lying than that she was.


You are, of course, entitled to your opinion but FWIW I think it is far more likely that she was lying than he was.


Yes, that is Trump's current view.

At the time, I think he called her "a very credible witness" and "very compelling". Can i ask why you are so convinced that she was lying? and that Kavanaughs own description of himself as a moderate drinker was easier to believe?


Most Yanks who claimt to have a drinking problem wouldn't even qualify as a regular in an English pub. Lightweights, the lot of 'em.


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She would be a great VP.


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Hayley resigns the morning before Kanye visits the WH...............


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Hayley resigns the morning before Kanye visits the WH...............


Now Nikki, Im really happy for you, and imma let you finish, but Ye is going to be the greatest UN ambassador of all time.

He'll make speeches longer than Castro.


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Hayley resigns the morning before Kanye visits the WH...............


Good call.

It really wouldn't surprise me.


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Hayley resigns the morning before Kanye visits the WH...............


Good call.

It really wouldn't surprise me.


That would be amazing


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A senior diplomatic source connected to the UN tells CNN that Haley told her staff this morning that she said has done her two years and it is time to move on.


Must have something lined up...seems pretty weak as a reason to go. The expenses thing sounds too small (by this administration's standards).


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She would be a great VP.


Got a good one atm.


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Another one jumps off the sinking ship....


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