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BokJock wrote:Trump called himself a "fact stater"

Big Nipper wrote:

RuggaBugga wrote:

Dubh01 wrote:

Saffer13
Less about the woman and more about being ok with kiling a baby up until birth.

And still posting shite... Can't or don't you read?

Dubh01 wrote:

saffer13 wrote:You lot are like a bunch bloodthirsty libs just waiting for a complete meltdown

Speaking of bloodthirsty libs. New York allowing abortion up until the due date.

Jeez you post some shite...

The law also addresses late-term abortions. Under New York's Reproductive Health Act, they can be performed after 24 weeks if the fetus is not viable or when necessary to protect the life of the mother.
"It's about the health and safety of the mother and it's always been the point where the conservatives wave the flag, they want to roll back Roe v. Wade -- this is not gray here it's black and white," said Cuomo.

New York puts in measures to protect access to abortion even if Roe v. Wade is overturned

The corollary of his idiotic position is being pro woman dying or carrying unviable fetus's to term so they can die a slower death.

Lets not even mention all the children being killed by guns eh?

It's like listening to a thick parrot that's just been watching Fox news.

@Saffer, please would you be a dear and elaborate on your willful misrepresentations of the facts above

I await a well reasoned response

Turbogoat wrote:Following on from Trump's attempt to defy reality after the National Security meeting, he's carried on with that theme in his latest public statements regarding his beloved wall.

Apparently the wall is well under way.
It's already being funded with some spare change he found down the side of the couch. It's big, beautiful, really beautiful. And lots of contracts are being handed out. And if Nancy Pelosi, or as I like to call her... Nancy, doesn't now agree to fund his big beautiful wall that's already being contracted out and funded... well, he thinks it's disgraceful.

So, he's claiming that the barrier sections that have been in place for years, and are currently being maintained are now his wall.
But that can't be right, they were in place well before he began his campaign promise to 'Build the wall!!!' because it was needed.

Either his campaign promise was utterly redundant, or his current claims are contradictory.

Leinster in London wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:Following on from Trump's attempt to defy reality after the National Security meeting, he's carried on with that theme in his latest public statements regarding his beloved wall.

Apparently the wall is well under way.
It's already being funded with some spare change he found down the side of the couch. It's big, beautiful, really beautiful. And lots of contracts are being handed out. And if Nancy Pelosi, or as I like to call her... Nancy, doesn't now agree to fund his big beautiful wall that's already being contracted out and funded... well, he thinks it's disgraceful.

So, he's claiming that the barrier sections that have been in place for years, and are currently being maintained are now his wall.
But that can't be right, they were in place well before he began his campaign promise to 'Build the wall!!!' because it was needed.

Either his campaign promise was utterly redundant, or his current claims are contradictory.

Occam's razor just says he's a liar.

The Man Without Fear wrote:Reassuring stuff.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47101429

§284. Support for counterdrug activities and activities to counter transnational organized crime
(a) Support to Other Agencies.-The Secretary of Defense may provide support for the counterdrug activities or activities to counter transnational organized crime of any other department or agency of the Federal Government or of any State, local, tribal, or foreign law enforcement agency for any of the purposes set forth in subsection (b) or (c), as applicable, if-

(1) in the case of support described in subsection (b), such support is requested-

(A) by the official who has responsibility for the counterdrug activities or activities to counter transnational organized crime of the department or agency of the Federal Government, in the case of support for other departments or agencies of the Federal Government; or

(B) by the appropriate official of a State, local, or tribal government, in the case of support for State, local, or tribal law enforcement agencies; or


(2) in the case of support described in subsection (c), such support is requested by an appropriate official of a department or agency of the Federal Government, in coordination with the Secretary of State, that has counterdrug responsibilities or responsibilities for countering transnational organized crime.


(b) Types of Support for Agencies of United States.-The purposes for which the Secretary may provide support under subsection (a) for other departments or agencies of the Federal Government or a State, local, or tribal law enforcement agencies, are the following:

(1) The maintenance and repair of equipment that has been made available to any department or agency of the Federal Government or to any State, local, or tribal government by the Department of Defense for the purposes of-

(A) preserving the potential future utility of such equipment for the Department of Defense; and

(B) upgrading such equipment to ensure compatibility of that equipment with other equipment used by the Department.


(2) The maintenance, repair, or upgrading of equipment (including computer software), other than equipment referred to in paragraph (1) for the purpose of-

(A) ensuring that the equipment being maintained or repaired is compatible with equipment used by the Department of Defense; and

(B) upgrading such equipment to ensure the compatibility of that equipment with equipment used by the Department.


(3) The transportation of personnel of the United States and foreign countries (including per diem expenses associated with such transportation), and the transportation of supplies and equipment, for the purpose of facilitating counterdrug activities or activities to counter transnational organized crime within or outside the United States.

(4) The establishment (including an unspecified minor military construction project) and operation of bases of operations or training facilities for the purpose of facilitating counterdrug activities or activities to counter transnational organized crime of the Department of Defense or any Federal, State, local, or tribal law enforcement agency within or outside the United States.

(5) Counterdrug or counter-transnational organized crime related training of law enforcement personnel of the Federal Government, of State, local, and tribal governments, including associated support expenses for trainees and the provision of materials necessary to carry out such training.

(6) The detection, monitoring, and communication of the movement of-

(A) air and sea traffic within 25 miles of and outside the geographic boundaries of the United States; and

(B) surface traffic outside the geographic boundary of the United States and within the United States not to exceed 25 miles of the boundary if the initial detection occurred outside of the boundary.


(7) Construction of roads and fences and installation of lighting to block drug smuggling corridors across international boundaries of the United States.

(8) Establishment of command, control, communications, and computer networks for improved integration of law enforcement, active military, and National Guard activities.

(9) The provision of linguist and intelligence analysis services.

(10) Aerial and ground reconnaissance.


(c) Types of Support for Foreign Law Enforcement Agencies.-

(1) Purposes.-The purposes for which the Secretary may provide support under subsection (a) for foreign law enforcement agencies are the following:

(A) The transportation of personnel of the United States and foreign countries (including per diem expenses associated with such transportation), and the transportation of supplies and equipment, for the purpose of facilitating counterdrug activities or activities to counter transnational organized crime within or outside the United States.

(B) The establishment (including small scale construction) and operation of bases of operations or training facilities for the purpose of facilitating counterdrug activities or activities to counter transnational organized crime of a foreign law enforcement agency outside the United States.

(C) The detection, monitoring, and communication of the movement of-

(i) air and sea traffic within 25 miles of and outside the geographic boundaries of the United States; and

(ii) surface traffic outside the geographic boundaries of the United States.


(D) Establishment of command, control, communications, and computer networks for improved integration of United States Federal and foreign law enforcement entities and United States Armed Forces.

(E) The provision of linguist and intelligence analysis services.

(F) Aerial and ground reconnaissance.


(2) Coordination with secretary of state.-In providing support for a purpose described in this subsection, the Secretary shall coordinate with the Secretary of State.


(d) Contract Authority.-In carrying out subsection (a), the Secretary may acquire services or equipment by contract for support provided under that subsection if the Department of Defense would normally acquire such services or equipment by contract for the purpose of conducting a similar activity for the Department.

(e) Limited Waiver of Prohibition.-Notwithstanding section 376 1 of this title, the Secretary may provide support pursuant to subsection (a) in any case in which the Secretary determines that the provision of such support would adversely affect the military preparedness of the United States in the short term if the Secretary determines that the importance of providing such support outweighs such short-term adverse effect.

(f) Conduct of Training or Operation To Aid Civilian Agencies.-In providing support pursuant to subsection (a), the Secretary may plan and execute otherwise valid military training or operations (including training exercises undertaken pursuant to section 1206(a) of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Years 1990 and 1991 (Public Law 101–189; 103 Stat. 1564) 2 for the purpose of aiding civilian law enforcement agencies.

(g) Relationship to Other Support Authorities.-

(1) Additional authority.-The authority provided in this section for the support of counterdrug activities or activities to counter transnational organized crime by the Department of Defense is in addition to, and except as provided in paragraph (2), not subject to the other requirements of this chapter.

(2) Exception.-Support under this section shall be subject to the provisions of section 375 1 and, except as provided in subsection (e), section 376 1 of this title.


(h) Congressional Notification.-

(1) In general.-Not less than 15 days before providing support for an activity under subsection (a), the Secretary of Defense shall submit to the appropriate committees of Congress a written and electronic notice of the following:

(A) In the case of support for a purpose described in subsection (c)-

(i) the country the capacity of which will be built or enabled through the provision of such support;

(ii) the budget, implementation timeline with milestones, anticipated delivery schedule for support, and completion date for the purpose or project for which support is provided;

(iii) the source and planned expenditure of funds provided for the project or purpose;

(iv) a description of the arrangements, if any, for the sustainment of the project or purpose and the source of funds to support sustainment of the capabilities and performance outcomes achieved using such support, if applicable;

(v) a description of the objectives for the project or purpose and evaluation framework to be used to develop capability and performance metrics associated with operational outcomes for the recipient;

(vi) information, including the amount, type, and purpose, about the support provided the country during the three fiscal years preceding the fiscal year for which the support covered by the notice is provided under this section under-

(I) this section;

(II) section 23 of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2763);

(III) peacekeeping operations;

(IV) the International Narcotics Control and Law Enforcement program under section 481 of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 (22 U.S.C. 2291);

(V) Nonproliferation, Anti-Terrorism, Demining, and Related Programs;

(VI) counterdrug activities authorized by section 1004 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1991 (10 U.S.C. 374 note) 1 and section 1033 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1998 (Public Law 105–85); or

(VII) any other significant program, account, or activity for the provision of security assistance that the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of State consider appropriate;


(vii) an evaluation of the capacity of the recipient country to absorb the support provided; and

(viii) an evaluation of the manner in which the project or purpose for which the support is provided fits into the theater security cooperation strategy of the applicable geographic combatant command.


(B) In the case of support for a purpose described in subsection (b) or (c), a description of any small scale construction project for which support is provided.


(2) Coordination with secretary of state.-In providing notice under this subsection for a purpose described in subsection (c), the Secretary of Defense shall coordinate with the Secretary of State.


(i) Definitions.-In this section:

(1) The term "appropriate committees of Congress" means-

(A) the Committee on Armed Services, the Committee on Appropriations, and the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives; and

(B) the Committee on Armed Services, the Committee on Appropriations, and the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate.


(2) The term "Indian tribe" means a Federally recognized Indian tribe.

(3) The term "small scale construction" means construction at a cost not to exceed $750,000 for any project.

(4) The term "tribal government" means the governing body of an Indian tribe, the status of whose land is "Indian country" as defined in section 1151 of title 18 or held in trust by the United States for the benefit of the Indian tribe.

(5) The term "tribal law enforcement agency" means the law enforcement agency of a tribal government.

(6) The term "transnational organized crime" means self-perpetuating associations of individuals who operate transnationally for the purpose of obtaining power, influence, monetary, or commercial gains, wholly or in part by illegal means, while protecting their activities through a pattern of corruption or violence or through a transnational organization structure and the exploitation of transnational commerce or communication mechanisms.

US intelligence agents were reportedly warned not to tell Trump findings that contradict his public comments

Multiple intelligence officers told TIME that Trump often has trouble paying attention to or wholly disregards assessments from agents, at whom he lashes out if he disagrees with their findings.

Read more at https://www.businessinsider.com/us-inte ... ORwoqoY.99

Virginia Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax issued a forceful pre-dawn denial on Monday to an allegation of sexual assault that surfaced after 15 years, in the latest political bombshell to rock Richmond where Democratic Gov. Ralph Northam is battling resignation calls over a racist photo from his medical school yearbook.
Fairfax, who would be next in line for governor should Northam bow to pressure and resign, called the allegation “defamatory” and “false.”

The allegation was first posted by Big League Politics, the same political blog that published the now-infamous yearbook photo showing someone in blackface and someone in a KKK costume, from Northam's 1984 yearbook page. Despite initially apologizing for appearing in the photo, he now denies either of the individuals is him.

The blog, in the post that prompted Fairfax's denial, claimed that a fellow at Stanford University said a man sexually assaulted her at the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston, Mass. “Imagine you were sexually assaulted during the DNC Convention in Boston in 2004 by a campaign staffer. You spend the next 13 years trying to forget it ever happened. Until one day you find out he’s the Democratic candidate for statewide office in a state some 3000 miles away, and he wins that election in November 2017,” a post from the reported accuser said, according to the blog. “Then, by strange, horrible luck, it seems increasingly likely that he’ll get a VERY BIG promotion.”

She did not name Fairfax, but the report implied she was referring to the lieutenant governor, who then responded to it.

But in his denial, Fairfax explained that the accuser “first approached the Washington Post” over a year ago, prior to his inauguration in 2018. “The Post carefully investigated the claim for several months,” Fairfax’s office said in a statement. “After being presented with facts consistent with the Lt. Governor’s denial of the allegation, the absence of any evidence corroborating the allegation, and significant red flags and inconsistencies within the allegation, the Post made the considered decision not to publish the story.”

Fairfax’s office added: “Tellingly, not one other reputable media outlet has seen fit to air this false claim. Only now, at a time of intense media attention surrounding Virginia politics, has this false claim been raised again.” “The Lt. Governor will take appropriate legal action against those attempting to spread this defamatory and false allegation,” the statement read.

saffer13 wrote:An interesting take, especially given our "technological advancements" with things from the past being permanent now...there is almost no allowance for redemption.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/03/us/racis ... index.html

DragonKhan wrote:

saffer13 wrote:An interesting take, especially given our "technological advancements" with things from the past being permanent now...there is almost no allowance for redemption.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/03/us/racis ... index.html

The sheer balls on CNN to publish that when they are the biggest race baiters out there

saffer13 wrote:An interesting take, especially given our "technological advancements" with things from the past being permanent now...there is almost no allowance for redemption.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/03/us/racis ... index.html

houtkabouter wrote:Let’s get back to trump though.

Laziest president ever

https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-priv ... 34255.html

saffer13 wrote:Missed it if already posted on another thread and didn't need to start another U.S. political thread so might as well use this as the catch-all, which is what it's become anyway.

Gov. Northam (D) and Virginia making a few waves lately. First with abortion, now with KKK, blackface, and sexual assault allegations.

Virginia Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax issued a forceful pre-dawn denial on Monday to an allegation of sexual assault that surfaced after 15 years, in the latest political bombshell to rock Richmond where Democratic Gov. Ralph Northam is battling resignation calls over a racist photo from his medical school yearbook.
Fairfax, who would be next in line for governor should Northam bow to pressure and resign, called the allegation “defamatory” and “false.”

The allegation was first posted by Big League Politics, the same political blog that published the now-infamous yearbook photo showing someone in blackface and someone in a KKK costume, from Northam's 1984 yearbook page. Despite initially apologizing for appearing in the photo, he now denies either of the individuals is him.

I wonder if the Kav protesters will have as much to say about these unsubstantiated allegations? For the record, I'll still assume the innocent until proven guilty stance for him as well.

The blog, in the post that prompted Fairfax's denial, claimed that a fellow at Stanford University said a man sexually assaulted her at the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston, Mass. “Imagine you were sexually assaulted during the DNC Convention in Boston in 2004 by a campaign staffer. You spend the next 13 years trying to forget it ever happened. Until one day you find out he’s the Democratic candidate for statewide office in a state some 3000 miles away, and he wins that election in November 2017,” a post from the reported accuser said, according to the blog. “Then, by strange, horrible luck, it seems increasingly likely that he’ll get a VERY BIG promotion.”

She did not name Fairfax, but the report implied she was referring to the lieutenant governor, who then responded to it.

But in his denial, Fairfax explained that the accuser “first approached the Washington Post” over a year ago, prior to his inauguration in 2018. “The Post carefully investigated the claim for several months,” Fairfax’s office said in a statement. “After being presented with facts consistent with the Lt. Governor’s denial of the allegation, the absence of any evidence corroborating the allegation, and significant red flags and inconsistencies within the allegation, the Post made the considered decision not to publish the story.”

Fairfax’s office added: “Tellingly, not one other reputable media outlet has seen fit to air this false claim. Only now, at a time of intense media attention surrounding Virginia politics, has this false claim been raised again.” “The Lt. Governor will take appropriate legal action against those attempting to spread this defamatory and false allegation,” the statement read.

Turbogoat wrote:

houtkabouter wrote:Let’s get back to trump though.

Laziest president ever

https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-priv ... 34255.html

Thank God for that. Imagine if he had a work ethic.

houtkabouter wrote:

saffer13 wrote:An interesting take, especially given our "technological advancements" with things from the past being permanent now...there is almost no allowance for redemption.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/03/us/racis ... index.html

Hypocrisy much?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo ... 40329.html

Kiwias wrote:An official at the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the HHS, stated in an official declaration to the court admitted that there are not sufficient staff to identity, find, and return to their natural parents all of the 1,500+ (they don't know the exact number). (#18)

Not only that, he also claimed that returning them to their actual parents would be harmful and disruptive to the child, because disrupting the family relationship is not recommended child welfare practice. (#23)

https://www.aclu.org/legal-document/gov ... laration-2

Shame they didn't think of this before removing the children from their parents.

Turbogoat wrote:

Kiwias wrote:An official at the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the HHS, stated in an official declaration to the court admitted that there are not sufficient staff to identity, find, and return to their natural parents all of the 1,500+ (they don't know the exact number). (#18)

Not only that, he also claimed that returning them to their actual parents would be harmful and disruptive to the child, because disrupting the family relationship is not recommended child welfare practice. (#23)

https://www.aclu.org/legal-document/gov ... laration-2

Shame they didn't think of this before removing the children from their parents.

Thank Stephen Miller for much of that apparently. It's emblematic of the whole administration to be so oblivious to the consequences, responsibilities or even just logistics of such an ill thought out operation designed to look good to the Trump base and little else.
They can't even work out how many children are lost in the system? Oh well, if they can't quantify them, they can't be a real issue. I bet they don't even vote.

saffer13 wrote:

houtkabouter wrote:

saffer13 wrote:An interesting take, especially given our "technological advancements" with things from the past being permanent now...there is almost no allowance for redemption.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/03/us/racis ... index.html

Hypocrisy much?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo ... 40329.html

I think you missed the point of my post

Blake wrote:

Turbogoat wrote:

Kiwias wrote:An official at the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the HHS, stated in an official declaration to the court admitted that there are not sufficient staff to identity, find, and return to their natural parents all of the 1,500+ (they don't know the exact number). (#18)

Not only that, he also claimed that returning them to their actual parents would be harmful and disruptive to the child, because disrupting the family relationship is not recommended child welfare practice. (#23)

https://www.aclu.org/legal-document/gov ... laration-2

Shame they didn't think of this before removing the children from their parents.

Thank Stephen Miller for much of that apparently. It's emblematic of the whole administration to be so oblivious to the consequences, responsibilities or even just logistics of such an ill thought out operation designed to look good to the Trump base and little else.
They can't even work out how many children are lost in the system? Oh well, if they can't quantify them, they can't be a real issue. I bet they don't even vote.

I don't know why they didn't just tattoo numbers on the children in order to keep track of them. Seems so simple to do it that way.

Average Joe wrote:That's a great idea. Shave them bald and tattoo a barcode on the back of their heads.

Yer Man wrote:

Average Joe wrote:That's a great idea. Shave them bald and tattoo a barcode on the back of their heads.

And if they want to be free then they'll have to work for it

ManInTheBar wrote:

Yer Man wrote:

Average Joe wrote:That's a great idea. Shave them bald and tattoo a barcode on the back of their heads.

And if they want to be free then they'll have to work for it

Taranaki Snapper wrote:

ManInTheBar wrote:

Yer Man wrote:

Average Joe wrote:That's a great idea. Shave them bald and tattoo a barcode on the back of their heads.

And if they want to be free then they'll have to work for it

Spoiler: show

ManInTheBar wrote:
Not much evidence of freedom ne?

saffer13 wrote:Missed it if already posted on another thread and didn't need to start another U.S. political thread so might as well use this as the catch-all, which is what it's become anyway.

Gov. Northam (D) and Virginia making a few waves lately. First with abortion, now with KKK, blackface, and sexual assault allegations.

I wonder if the Kav protesters will have as much to say about these unsubstantiated allegations? For the record, I'll still assume the innocent until proven guilty stance for him as well.

BokJock wrote:

saffer13 wrote:Missed it if already posted on another thread and didn't need to start another U.S. political thread so might as well use this as the catch-all, which is what it's become anyway.

Gov. Northam (D) and Virginia making a few waves lately. First with abortion, now with KKK, blackface, and sexual assault allegations.

I wonder if the Kav protesters will have as much to say about these unsubstantiated allegations? For the record, I'll still assume the innocent until proven guilty stance for him as well.

Saffer13, what has happened to the Democrats caught up in this sort of stuff so far?

Kav is busy toasting his appointment to the SC with Squi, Tobin and PJ.

Roy Moore was endorsed by the President of the USA.

Turbogoat wrote:

BokJock wrote:

saffer13 wrote:Missed it if already posted on another thread and didn't need to start another U.S. political thread so might as well use this as the catch-all, which is what it's become anyway.

Gov. Northam (D) and Virginia making a few waves lately. First with abortion, now with KKK, blackface, and sexual assault allegations.

I wonder if the Kav protesters will have as much to say about these unsubstantiated allegations? For the record, I'll still assume the innocent until proven guilty stance for him as well.

Saffer13, what has happened to the Democrats caught up in this sort of stuff so far?

Kav is busy toasting his appointment to the SC with Squi, Tobin and PJ.

Roy Moore was endorsed by the President of the USA.

I look forward to the 5 working day FBI investigation into Northam without actually speaking to Northam at any point as much as anybody.

One good thing about this and the Steve King issue is that most other elected officials from the same party as the offender have been pretty united in calling for their resignation. At least the rest of them know how bad the optics are on this sort of stuff.

Maybe at some point there can be some sort of moment where it can be decided that enough time has passed, or society has changed so much over that period that it's considered too harsh to judge/condemn someone for their actions all those years ago.
Dressing up in blackface/KKK outfits in the mid 80's though? Probably not the watershed moment that sparks that idea though. That would've been a shit idea even back then.
It's not too much to ask to hold your elected officials to a higher standard, but it's getting harder to find those people who have led a perfect life beforehand (or at least don't have any evidence to prove otherwise)

Turbogoat wrote:

ManInTheBar wrote:
Not much evidence of freedom ne?

That was always the worst thing about the Nazis, the false advertising.