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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:34 pm
by Rinkals
Turbogoat wrote:
Kiwias wrote:Well, the man has spoken about his response if the Dems and several republicans refuse to fund his stupid wall.
We will be forced to close the Southern Border entirely if the Obstructionist Democrats do not give us the money to finish the Wall & also change the ridiculous immigration laws that our Country is saddled with. Hard to believe there was a Congress & President who would approve!
Traditionally, bills becomes laws by starting out in Congress. Can Trump circumvent this to change the immigration laws without Pelosi having to allow him to do this?
I don't think Trump is aware of any limitations in his office.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:35 pm
by Mr Mike
Rinkals wrote:We South Africans have a reputation for being as thick as pigshit, and this sort of thing does nothing to counter that.
Not all of you.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:36 pm
by Rinkals
Mr Mike wrote:
Rinkals wrote:We South Africans have a reputation for being as thick as pigshit, and this sort of thing does nothing to counter that.
Not all of you.
As near as makes no difference.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:36 pm
by Mr Mike
Saint wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
Saint wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
Saint wrote:As far as tolerances go, 47% blame Trump to 33% blaming Dems

Only 25% of the population think the wall is even worth the shutdown, so a decent size chunk of his base don't think this was a fight worth picking.
I would have thought 25% would be a fairly close approximation of his actual base.
Seeing how his approval rating won't seem to drop below 35% regardless of what he does I think there's a gap
He will lose and gain individual on specific points that will maintain it at a higher level at but sales stats for MAGA hats don’t exceed 24% of the adult population

Still astonished by those I meet who voted for him on single issues (often his Supreme Court list) and are prepared to wear four years of him for that alone (that and no Hillary).
I don't think I'd judge political popularity by the sales of baseball hats
Far more reliable than polls.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:05 pm
by BokJock
.....Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador are doing nothing for the United States but taking our money. Word is that a new Caravan is forming in Honduras and they are doing nothing about it. We will be cutting off all aid to these 3 countries - taking advantage of U.S. for years!
The best way to stop poor people from fleeing poverty is to make their situation worse - great strategy you f**king plank

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:17 pm
by Slim 293
BokJock wrote:
.....Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador are doing nothing for the United States but taking our money. Word is that a new Caravan is forming in Honduras and they are doing nothing about it. We will be cutting off all aid to these 3 countries - taking advantage of U.S. for years!
The best way to stop poor people from fleeing poverty is to make their situation worse - great strategy you f**king plank

The Donald sure knows his history...

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:57 pm
by BokJock
A bit naïve probably but how does shutting down the border stop illegal immigration?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:06 pm
by ManInTheBar
BokJock wrote:A bit naïve probably but how does shutting down the border stop illegal immigration?
It's all in the theatre (see Brexit)

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:07 pm
by dpedin
Border, wall, immigration, close down gov .... blah blah blah!

This is all a smokescreen and diversionary tactic, he must be shitting himself about something due to come out soon. Its a shame it hits some workers in the pocket but as far as Trump is concerned they are just collateral damage in his ever vain attempts to protect his skin. Hope its Mueller investigation but who the feck knows as far as this shitstorm is concerned! Getting close to the beginning of the end?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:09 pm
by Turbogoat
BokJock wrote:A bit naïve probably but how does shutting down the border stop illegal immigration?
It'll cause legal immigrants, now stranded in Mexico to form roving bands of vigilantes to hunt down illegal immigrants.

It may also leave Stephen Mnuchin stranded in Mexico where he'll hopefully no longer make any more panic-inducing phonecalls to american banks asking about their liquidity.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:14 pm
by ManInTheBar
Turbogoat wrote:
BokJock wrote:A bit naïve probably but how does shutting down the border stop illegal immigration?
It'll cause legal immigrants, now stranded in Mexico to form roving bands of vigilantes to hunt down illegal immigrants.

It may also leave Stephen Mnuchin stranded in Mexico where he'll hopefully no longer make any more panic-inducing phonecalls to american banks asking about their liquidity.
"Uh....the friendly Mexican ladies called their boyfriends.....have you by any chance got $6bn you could spare......?"

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 8:31 pm
by RuggaBugga
Christ he's off on one this morning again. Closing the border, cutting off aid and ripping up not-nafta which up until now was such massive win for the US.

Barking.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 8:40 pm
by Ted.
Sefton wrote:
Average Joe wrote: Climate change affects the lives of everyone in the planet The climate has been changing long before Trump and will keep on changing long after him
:lol: :lol: :lol: you go, champ.
He's marvellous, isn't he. :nod:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:11 pm
by Rinkals
Saint wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Saint wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:Does he have anything to say about Trump tweeting out un-blurred pics of SEAL Team Five?
It's not illegal if the President does it.

Stupid, idiotic, but not illegal.
Supreme Court has said otherwise. Tweeting classified info without a specific separate act of declassification preceding it breaks the law
Is that true?

I remember a conversation a few thousand pages back in which I was persuaded that Trump can unilaterally declare classified information de-classified.

It was after this IIRC. https://www.businessinsider.com/bombshell-report-trump-oval-office-meeting-russians-comey-2017-11?IR=T
He is the classifying authority (all classifications are derived from the Executive) so he can of course unilaterally reclassify anything he wants. What the Court said was they he has to first actively declassify, and document that he's done so, a document before he publishes it on twitter or any other medium. Simply publishing on twitter without first declassifying is called "leaking classified information"
Doesn't the act of publication mean that it's declassified if he's the classification authority?

Or does he have to say "I now pronounce you declassified" before he hits "send".

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:20 pm
by argus
Like Michael Scott

"I declare bankruptcy"

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:27 pm
by Ted.
Rinkals wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
Kiwias wrote:Well, the man has spoken about his response if the Dems and several republicans refuse to fund his stupid wall.
We will be forced to close the Southern Border entirely if the Obstructionist Democrats do not give us the money to finish the Wall & also change the ridiculous immigration laws that our Country is saddled with. Hard to believe there was a Congress & President who would approve!
Traditionally, bills becomes laws by starting out in Congress. Can Trump circumvent this to change the immigration laws without Pelosi having to allow him to do this?
I don't think Trump is aware of any limitations in his office.
That's been clear for awhile now. The recent amping up of the twitter bombast is perhaps symptomatic of the lessening/ending influence of Kelly and Mattis at the same time as the rise and emboldening of toady's like Mulvaney.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:30 pm
by Saint
Rinkals wrote:
Saint wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Saint wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Stupid, idiotic, but not illegal.
Supreme Court has said otherwise. Tweeting classified info without a specific separate act of declassification preceding it breaks the law
Is that true?

I remember a conversation a few thousand pages back in which I was persuaded that Trump can unilaterally declare classified information de-classified.

It was after this IIRC. https://www.businessinsider.com/bombshell-report-trump-oval-office-meeting-russians-comey-2017-11?IR=T
He is the classifying authority (all classifications are derived from the Executive) so he can of course unilaterally reclassify anything he wants. What the Court said was they he has to first actively declassify, and document that he's done so, a document before he publishes it on twitter or any other medium. Simply publishing on twitter without first declassifying is called "leaking classified information"
Doesn't the act of publication mean that it's declassified if he's the classification authority?

Or does he have to say "I now pronounce you declassified" before he hits "send".
No, simply publishing it means he's leaking classified information.

He needs to formally document, in writing, what he's declassifying. Then he's allowed to Tweet it.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:36 pm
by Ted.
Rinkals wrote:
Saint wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Saint wrote:
Supreme Court has said otherwise. Tweeting classified info without a specific separate act of declassification preceding it breaks the law
Is that true?

I remember a conversation a few thousand pages back in which I was persuaded that Trump can unilaterally declare classified information de-classified.

It was after this IIRC. https://www.businessinsider.com/bombshell-report-trump-oval-office-meeting-russians-comey-2017-11?IR=T
He is the classifying authority (all classifications are derived from the Executive) so he can of course unilaterally reclassify anything he wants. What the Court said was they he has to first actively declassify, and document that he's done so, a document before he publishes it on twitter or any other medium. Simply publishing on twitter without first declassifying is called "leaking classified information"
Doesn't the act of publication mean that it's declassified if he's the classification authority?

Or does he have to say "I now pronounce you declassified" before he hits "send".
Saint wrote:No, simply publishing it means he's leaking classified information.

He needs to formally document, in writing, what he's declassifying. Then he's allowed to Tweet it.
I do believe I have spotted the problem.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:38 pm
by Rinkals
Ted. wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
Kiwias wrote:Well, the man has spoken about his response if the Dems and several republicans refuse to fund his stupid wall.
We will be forced to close the Southern Border entirely if the Obstructionist Democrats do not give us the money to finish the Wall & also change the ridiculous immigration laws that our Country is saddled with. Hard to believe there was a Congress & President who would approve!
Traditionally, bills becomes laws by starting out in Congress. Can Trump circumvent this to change the immigration laws without Pelosi having to allow him to do this?
I don't think Trump is aware of any limitations in his office.
That's been clear for awhile now. The recent amping up of the twitter bombast is perhaps symptomatic of the lessening/ending influence of Kelly and Mattis at the same time as the rise and emboldening of toady's like Mulvaney.
I think, to a degree he was elected to bring a business MO to Government. As the CEO of a business he can run an autocratic regime whereby he can do what he wants and nobody can tell him he can't, even if he may be acting illegally.

It's been interesting because it's shown how tenuous any checks and balances on the President actually are.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:44 pm
by Saint
Ted. wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Saint wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Saint wrote:
Supreme Court has said otherwise. Tweeting classified info without a specific separate act of declassification preceding it breaks the law
Is that true?

I remember a conversation a few thousand pages back in which I was persuaded that Trump can unilaterally declare classified information de-classified.

It was after this IIRC. https://www.businessinsider.com/bombshell-report-trump-oval-office-meeting-russians-comey-2017-11?IR=T
He is the classifying authority (all classifications are derived from the Executive) so he can of course unilaterally reclassify anything he wants. What the Court said was they he has to first actively declassify, and document that he's done so, a document before he publishes it on twitter or any other medium. Simply publishing on twitter without first declassifying is called "leaking classified information"
Doesn't the act of publication mean that it's declassified if he's the classification authority?

Or does he have to say "I now pronounce you declassified" before he hits "send".
Saint wrote:No, simply publishing it means he's leaking classified information.

He needs to formally document, in writing, what he's declassifying. Then he's allowed to Tweet it.
I do believe I have spotted the problem.
:lol:

I believe that the reasoning is so that all people in government have a 100% unambiguous reference as to what is classified and what isn't

Otherwise you could have a situation where an official could believe that because Trump tweeted one thing in a document, the rest of the document was now unclassified when actually it wasn't

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:02 pm
by Ted.
Rinkals wrote:
Ted. wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Turbogoat wrote: Traditionally, bills becomes laws by starting out in Congress. Can Trump circumvent this to change the immigration laws without Pelosi having to allow him to do this?
I don't think Trump is aware of any limitations in his office.
That's been clear for awhile now. The recent amping up of the twitter bombast is perhaps symptomatic of the lessening/ending influence of Kelly and Mattis at the same time as the rise and emboldening of toady's like Mulvaney.
I think, to a degree he was elected to bring a business MO to Government. As the CEO of a business he can run an autocratic regime whereby he can do what he wants and nobody can tell him he can't, even if he may be acting illegally.

It's been interesting because it's shown how tenuous any checks and balances on the President actually are.
CEO'sre subject to a board of governors in well run, "ethical" businesses. Even private companies, their CEO's and boards, are subject to oversight.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:08 pm
by Saint
Ted. wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Ted. wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Turbogoat wrote: Traditionally, bills becomes laws by starting out in Congress. Can Trump circumvent this to change the immigration laws without Pelosi having to allow him to do this?
I don't think Trump is aware of any limitations in his office.
That's been clear for awhile now. The recent amping up of the twitter bombast is perhaps symptomatic of the lessening/ending influence of Kelly and Mattis at the same time as the rise and emboldening of toady's like Mulvaney.
I think, to a degree he was elected to bring a business MO to Government. As the CEO of a business he can run an autocratic regime whereby he can do what he wants and nobody can tell him he can't, even if he may be acting illegally.

It's been interesting because it's shown how tenuous any checks and balances on the President actually are.
CEO'sre subject to a board of governors in well run, "ethical" businesses. Even private companies, their CEO's and boards, are subject to oversight.
Who is/was Donald's oversight in the Trump Organisation.?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:19 pm
by shanky
dpedin wrote:Border, wall, immigration, close down gov .... blah blah blah!

This is all a smokescreen and diversionary tactic, he must be shitting himself about something due to come out soon. Its a shame it hits some workers in the pocket but as far as Trump is concerned they are just collateral damage in his ever vain attempts to protect his skin. Hope its Mueller investigation but who the feck knows as far as this shitstorm is concerned! Getting close to the beginning of the end?
This.

Given that Trump could click his fingers and find $5bn from the approximately $1,000bn of discretionary spending that swishes around in the system. (Remember when nasty old Obama fund ACA shortfalls with an executive order?)

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:56 am
by argus
Trump companies are privately owned so board is probably family and cfo

ONE OF THE ISSUE is that apparently he does not read anything and Lso has a short attention span.

Add this to his narcissism in that he always believe s he is right and it is a disaster.

The typical "often mistaken,never in doubt"

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:15 am
by Ted.
Rinkals wrote:
Ted. wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Turbogoat wrote: Traditionally, bills becomes laws by starting out in Congress. Can Trump circumvent this to change the immigration laws without Pelosi having to allow him to do this?
I don't think Trump is aware of any limitations in his office.
That's been clear for awhile now. The recent amping up of the twitter bombast is perhaps symptomatic of the lessening/ending influence of Kelly and Mattis at the same time as the rise and emboldening of toady's like Mulvaney.
I think, to a degree he was elected to bring a business MO to Government. As the CEO of a business he can run an autocratic regime whereby he can do what he wants and nobody can tell him he can't, even if he may be acting illegally.

It's been interesting because it's shown how tenuous any checks and balances on the President actually are.
Saint wrote:
Ted. wrote:CEO'sre subject to a board of governors in well run, "ethical" businesses. Even private companies, their CEO's and boards, are subject to oversight.
Who is/was Donald's oversight in the Trump Organisation.?
The law under which corporates, director's, etc, operate. Form the perspective of a business/corporations/private company, included in that are tax laws, registration and filing (assuming US laws are similar), company audit laws and laws relating to governance.

AFAIK, his are private companies.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:25 am
by argus
Private companies in the US are not required to have an audit

Typically an audit is only required for a lender

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:15 am
by Ted.
argus wrote:Private companies in the US are not required to have an audit

Typically an audit is only required for a lender
What about tax audits?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:06 am
by argus
Ted. wrote:
argus wrote:Private companies in the US are not required to have an audit

Typically an audit is only required for a lender
What about tax audits?
Very limited in that very few companies get audited

DJT can run the companies as he wants

The oversight would be bank which has loans to the companies, getting audits done as a condition of the loans. With his track record that is probably a requirement though I thought he had a small firm do his tax work so they may have been doing the audits of there werevany.

With his track record i expect there would have rather be a personal guarantee on any loans anyway

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:09 am
by Turbogoat
Ted. wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Ted. wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Turbogoat wrote: Traditionally, bills becomes laws by starting out in Congress. Can Trump circumvent this to change the immigration laws without Pelosi having to allow him to do this?
I don't think Trump is aware of any limitations in his office.
That's been clear for awhile now. The recent amping up of the twitter bombast is perhaps symptomatic of the lessening/ending influence of Kelly and Mattis at the same time as the rise and emboldening of toady's like Mulvaney.
I think, to a degree he was elected to bring a business MO to Government. As the CEO of a business he can run an autocratic regime whereby he can do what he wants and nobody can tell him he can't, even if he may be acting illegally.

It's been interesting because it's shown how tenuous any checks and balances on the President actually are.
CEO'sre subject to a board of governors in well run, "ethical" businesses. Even private companies, their CEO's and boards, are subject to oversight.
If they really wanted a business MO brought to govt they could hardly have picked a worse choice. The Trump org is/was largely a small family business. The comments from Rex Tillerson about the complete lack of process in the White House with the Trump administration compared to his time at Exxon are very telling.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/rex-tille ... gal-things

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:32 am
by Rinkals
argus wrote:
Ted. wrote:
argus wrote:Private companies in the US are not required to have an audit

Typically an audit is only required for a lender
What about tax audits?
Very limited in that very few companies get audited

DJT can run the companies as he wants

The oversight would be bank which has loans to the companies, getting audits done as a condition of the loans. With his track record that is probably a requirement though I thought he had a small firm do his tax work so they may have been doing the audits of there werevany.

With his track record i expect there would have rather be a personal guarantee on any loans anyway
Or from Russian backers through Deutsche Bank with certain conditions attached?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:37 am
by MrJonno
Average Joe wrote:
MrJonno wrote:
Average Joe wrote:We live in a world were great civilizations have disappeared in the wink of an eye. Ancient currencies imploded into nothingness. Whole species reduced to plaster models sitting in museums. Deserts where there once stood mighty rain forest. The world is ever changing and evolving but we immaterial creatures fight to keep it the same.

I have a lot more the contend with, living in South Africa than stress about what some dumb poes is doing on the other side of the world by the way. Fuck Trump. He's just another rich idiot that does not know what hard work is. I have time on my side though and will still be here when he's gone but there will always be another fokon "Trump", there always is.

The problem with modern humanity is that we will always look to blame someone or something for our hardship instead of spending our energy on how to survive, like every other life form on this planet.

That's simply not true, it is widely known that the world changes, species going extinct for example, and using species protection as an example, the aims of wildlife conservation are not to protect the existence of all species, habitats and ecosystems, but to stop them being destroyed due to human activity. I'm guessing that simple statement is too nuanced for you though.
And down comes a huge ass meteorite and blows the whole fokon lot into oblivion. Dinosaurs went extinct. Massive fokon lizards gone in a puff of smoke and no one truly knows to this day why. Was it the ice age? Was it a flood? Was it a meteor? Fok knows. Huge motherfokon stars simply cease to exist without most even noticing. What are you and your existence but a speck of dust in this universe?
It would have been easier to just say "Yes, yes it is"

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:03 pm
by Ted.
argus wrote:
Ted. wrote:
argus wrote:Private companies in the US are not required to have an audit

Typically an audit is only required for a lender
What about tax audits?
Very limited in that very few companies get audited

DJT can run the companies as he wants

The oversight would be bank which has loans to the companies, getting audits done as a condition of the loans. With his track record that is probably a requirement though I thought he had a small firm do his tax work so they may have been doing the audits of there werevany.

With his track record i expect there would have rather be a personal guarantee on any loans anyway
Not too dissimilar from here actually, as long as you keep your nose clean. If you have a snotty nose, at least in terms of tax, expect the taxman to be all over you like a rash.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:09 pm
by Ted.
Turbogoat wrote:
Ted. wrote:
CEO'sre subject to a board of governors in well run, "ethical" businesses. Even private companies, their CEO's and boards, are subject to oversight.
If they really wanted a business MO brought to govt they could hardly have picked a worse choice. The Trump org is/was largely a small family business. The comments from Rex Tillerson about the complete lack of process in the White House with the Trump administration compared to his time at Exxon are very telling.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/rex-tille ... gal-things
No argument from me on that point. Not that I'm any sort of shining light as an organised executive in the miniscule business I work for.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:14 pm
by Ted.
I see a highly decorated, retired four star General has torn strips of Cadet Bonespurs for ignoring the Iraqi's and politicising the his recent troop visits.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:22 pm
by Turbogoat
Ted. wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
Ted. wrote:
CEO'sre subject to a board of governors in well run, "ethical" businesses. Even private companies, their CEO's and boards, are subject to oversight.
If they really wanted a business MO brought to govt they could hardly have picked a worse choice. The Trump org is/was largely a small family business. The comments from Rex Tillerson about the complete lack of process in the White House with the Trump administration compared to his time at Exxon are very telling.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/rex-tille ... gal-things
No argument from me on that point. Not that I'm any sort of shining light as an organised executive in the miniscule business I work for.
Yeah, I'm on thin ice criticizing Trump's lack of process, I'm utterly notorious for finding ways to circumvent normal procedure and paperwork (emergency response and short-notice projects in shit-holes allows for leeway if you're willing to look for it). I'm never going to be the poster-child for corporate policy.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:26 pm
by Rugby2023
dpedin wrote:Border, wall, immigration, close down gov .... blah blah blah!

This is all a smokescreen and diversionary tactic, he must be shitting himself about something due to come out soon. Its a shame it hits some workers in the pocket but as far as Trump is concerned they are just collateral damage in his ever vain attempts to protect his skin. Hope its Mueller investigation but who the feck knows as far as this shitstorm is concerned! Getting close to the beginning of the end?
Not if he keeps taking action on the border, wall, immigration etc. It doesn't really matter what comes out of Mueller's witch-hunt (within reason) provided Trump has the American people behind him. As Ann Coulter astutely pointed out, they'll fight for him as long as he fights for them and the issues that matter to them.
If Trump used the military to build the wall -- actually build it, not keep telling us he's going to build it -- the Democrats will go mad. They'll hold impeachment hearings, file a million lawsuits, produce weeping children reading from phony scripts written by immigrant rights groups -- and Trump will win. The public will support Trump overwhelmingly, and the left will be forced to keep reminding voters why they hate Democrats.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:33 pm
by Turbogoat
Rugby2023 wrote:
dpedin wrote:Border, wall, immigration, close down gov .... blah blah blah!

This is all a smokescreen and diversionary tactic, he must be shitting himself about something due to come out soon. Its a shame it hits some workers in the pocket but as far as Trump is concerned they are just collateral damage in his ever vain attempts to protect his skin. Hope its Mueller investigation but who the feck knows as far as this shitstorm is concerned! Getting close to the beginning of the end?
Not if he keeps taking action on the border, wall, immigration etc. It doesn't really matter what comes out of Mueller's witch-hunt (within reason) provided Trump has the American people behind him. As Ann Coulter astutely pointed out, they'll fight for him as long as he fights for them and the issues that matter to them.
Those latest poll numbers will be scaring the shit out of him then. The wall is also an unpopular gimmick among voters.
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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:22 pm
by dpedin
Migrants and the Wall are his fall back if all else is failing! Chuck in an imaginary Caravan, drug cartels, ISIS members being smuggled in and the Mexicans refusing to pay for the wall and suddenly Trump supporters become incandescent with rage regardless of the facts or the reality of the situation and seem to forget their own migrant histories.

However the recent strange and irrational decisions from Trump re Middle East, closing down the Gov, etc is beginning to worry the republicans. The resignation of Mad Dog and him not being allowed to serve out his notice was probably the last straw and huge worry for some. He is now being seen as a big liability from even the most ardent Trump supporters in the republican party and they are growing increasingly desperate to get rid of him before the various investigations report on his and his families criminal behaviour and dodgy dealings. Not only are they worried about their own votes but also of getting dragged into the various investigations and being exposed themselves as more of Trumps dodgy past and dodgy associates start blabbing to the press and courts. I give him 6 months and I suspect he will resign in order to avoid being charged for a range of criminal activities and to save his family, although I wouldn't put it past him to throw a few of them under the bus to save his own skin! Its started.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:35 pm
by argus
A policeman was killed this week by an illegal alien and Trump is already all over this.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-Already making America Great Again!

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:54 pm
by Uthikoloshe
"Immigration is an issue that in one way or another is always present in the political current of the United States, and especially now that Donald Trump occupies the Oval Office. However, in the United States there’s another immigration that’s much less talked about but that can gain a lot of weight and relevance in this country: inter-state immigration.

Each year millions of Americans pack their bags and move out of state. Also, after Donald Trump’s latest reform everything indicates that this kind of competition is going to grow more than ever.

Now, what drives is Americans to move more to some states than others? Which are the winning states and which are the losers? What does this type of immigration entail? What can we expect in the future? We’ll tell you all about it in this video."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrZxIw-EQXM

Interesting.