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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:38 am
by BokJock
Hong Kong wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-ca ... in-kashmir

:lol: :lol: :lol: just sit back in awe...

BTW, India immediately stated that they did not want the orange shitgibbon to mediate
So will it take one week or 10 days to win the war in Afghanistan?
he could do it, he said he could. He did say 10M would be dead and there would not be much left but he could do it. You know he could....you KNOW it makes sense
Someone’s been catching up on Season 8 of GoT

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:57 am
by Zico
South Korean fighters had to fire warning shots at Russian bombers who repeatedly entered their airspace.

What will agent Orange have to say about it?

Probably the Koreans fault somehow.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:06 am
by shereblue
Santa wrote:
shereblue wrote: a first hand account of an experience has a certain valdity - well strike me down with a feather, sir. it is evidence, sure.

weight of evidence, as a supposedly intelligent poster such as you should know, is determinable, inter alia, by the circumstances in which it is given.

Thus an interview by a friendly journalist camaigning along similar lines to the interviewee will have the weight of evidence of an examination in chief by one's own counsel. This interview will also have been further edited and tidied up, albeit to what extent I can only speculate.

This first hand evidence lacks the weight of cross examination, critique or questions raised by a journalist with a contrary political take. We all surely know why defendants with weak cases decline to give evidence - because they fear a cross examination.

The source of a published interview is highly relevant to assessing the weight it should be given and the likelihood of its truthfulness. And you know it.
You haven't even read it have you? :lol:
Distraction over coherence :yawn:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:11 am
by rabble
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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:55 pm
by Santa
shereblue wrote:
Santa wrote:
shereblue wrote: a first hand account of an experience has a certain valdity - well strike me down with a feather, sir. it is evidence, sure.

weight of evidence, as a supposedly intelligent poster such as you should know, is determinable, inter alia, by the circumstances in which it is given.

Thus an interview by a friendly journalist camaigning along similar lines to the interviewee will have the weight of evidence of an examination in chief by one's own counsel. This interview will also have been further edited and tidied up, albeit to what extent I can only speculate.

This first hand evidence lacks the weight of cross examination, critique or questions raised by a journalist with a contrary political take. We all surely know why defendants with weak cases decline to give evidence - because they fear a cross examination.

The source of a published interview is highly relevant to assessing the weight it should be given and the likelihood of its truthfulness. And you know it.
You haven't even read it have you? :lol:
Distraction over coherence :yawn:
Have you actually read it? Quick, read it and then say yes.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:30 pm
by piquant
BokJock wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-ca ... in-kashmir

:lol: :lol: :lol: just sit back in awe...

BTW, India immediately stated that they did not want the orange shitgibbon to mediate
So will it take one week or 10 days to win the war in Afghanistan?
he could do it, he said he could. He did say 10M would be dead and there would not be much left but he could do it. You know he could....you KNOW it makes sense
Someone’s been catching up on Season 8 of GoT
How would he do it? Nukes seems the only possible answer

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:06 pm
by Flockwitt
Not really expecting anything from the Mueller testimony despite the Trump admin's attempts to gag him, but I wonder why Mueller's suddenly asking for his deputy to also come along.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:19 pm
by Petej
piquant wrote:
BokJock wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
Hong Kong wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-ca ... in-kashmir

:lol: :lol: :lol: just sit back in awe...

BTW, India immediately stated that they did not want the orange shitgibbon to mediate
So will it take one week or 10 days to win the war in Afghanistan?
he could do it, he said he could. He did say 10M would be dead and there would not be much left but he could do it. You know he could....you KNOW it makes sense
Someone’s been catching up on Season 8 of GoT
How would he do it? Nukes seems the only possible answer
USA nuking both sides or India and Pakistan nuking each other? The little exposure I have had to the wonders of Indian aerospace companies does make me wonder if India woukd actually have any working nuclear missiles.

I did enjoy the story of the Indian navy leaving a hatch open and flooding their first nuclear submarine.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:46 pm
by tiddle
Flockwitt wrote:Not really expecting anything from the Mueller testimony despite the Trump admin's attempts to gag him, but I wonder why Mueller's suddenly asking for his deputy to also come along.
Likewise, everything he had to say on the report will be in the report shirley.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:09 pm
by Santa
tiddle wrote:
Flockwitt wrote:Not really expecting anything from the Mueller testimony despite the Trump admin's attempts to gag him, but I wonder why Mueller's suddenly asking for his deputy to also come along.
Likewise, everything he had to say on the report will be in the report shirley.
I wish to attack you for saying such a thing.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:26 pm
by fishfoodie
tiddle wrote:
Flockwitt wrote:Not really expecting anything from the Mueller testimony despite the Trump admin's attempts to gag him, but I wonder why Mueller's suddenly asking for his deputy to also come along.
Likewise, everything he had to say on the report will be in the report shirley.
Have you ever been involved in writing a report, that had difficult conclusions ?

I'll give you an example, from my former workplace.

There was a major safety incident; thankfully, no one was injured, but it could have been, very, very bad.

The kicker was that people close to the emergency response knew that the people who initially responded; were really, really lucky, that mistakes they made didn't turn an incident into a disaster. It wasn't really all their fault, they had limited experience, but it highlighted some serious issues.

The initial report got thrown back by 'Management', because they didn't want the bad news to go up chain; & so did the revised version, & one more version, until all the useful, & embarrassing information was removed from the report.

By the time a final report was issued; it was (a) sanitized of anything embarrassing to management, & (b) fucking useless to provide learnings to anyone who wanted to improve safety systems.

"Official Reports" aren't about providing information; they're about covering arses !

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:33 pm
by Hong Kong
Seneca of the Night wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:
tiddle wrote:
Flockwitt wrote:Not really expecting anything from the Mueller testimony despite the Trump admin's attempts to gag him, but I wonder why Mueller's suddenly asking for his deputy to also come along.
Likewise, everything he had to say on the report will be in the report shirley.
Have you ever been involved in writing a report, that had difficult conclusions ?

I'll give you an example, from my former workplace.

There was a major safety incident; thankfully, no one was injured, but it could have been, very, very bad.

The kicker was that people close to the emergency response knew that the people who initially responded; were really, really lucky, that mistakes they made didn't turn an incident into a disaster. It wasn't really all their fault, they had limited experience, but it highlighted some serious issues.

The initial report got thrown back by 'Management', because they didn't want the bad news to go up chain; & so did the revised version, & one more version, until all the useful, & embarrassing information was removed from the report.

By the time a final report was issued; it was (a) sanitized of anything embarrassing to management, & (b) fucking useless to provide learnings to anyone who wanted to improve safety systems.

"Official Reports" aren't about providing information; they're about covering arses !
So what you are saying is that Mueller was covering Trump's arse?
It was only 400 pages long so, no, it didn’t

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:34 pm
by fishfoodie
Seneca of the Night wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:
tiddle wrote:
Flockwitt wrote:Not really expecting anything from the Mueller testimony despite the Trump admin's attempts to gag him, but I wonder why Mueller's suddenly asking for his deputy to also come along.
Likewise, everything he had to say on the report will be in the report shirley.
Have you ever been involved in writing a report, that had difficult conclusions ?

I'll give you an example, from my former workplace.

There was a major safety incident; thankfully, no one was injured, but it could have been, very, very bad.

The kicker was that people close to the emergency response knew that the people who initially responded; were really, really lucky, that mistakes they made didn't turn an incident into a disaster. It wasn't really all their fault, they had limited experience, but it highlighted some serious issues.

The initial report got thrown back by 'Management', because they didn't want the bad news to go up chain; & so did the revised version, & one more version, until all the useful, & embarrassing information was removed from the report.

By the time a final report was issued; it was (a) sanitized of anything embarrassing to management, & (b) fucking useless to provide learnings to anyone who wanted to improve safety systems.

"Official Reports" aren't about providing information; they're about covering arses !
So what you are saying is that Mueller was covering Trump's arse?

Yeah, Mueller was Head of the DOJ, there was no-one above him who could demand that he edit his report.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:48 pm
by Santa
fishfoodie wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:
tiddle wrote:
Flockwitt wrote:Not really expecting anything from the Mueller testimony despite the Trump admin's attempts to gag him, but I wonder why Mueller's suddenly asking for his deputy to also come along.
Likewise, everything he had to say on the report will be in the report shirley.
Have you ever been involved in writing a report, that had difficult conclusions ?

I'll give you an example, from my former workplace.

There was a major safety incident; thankfully, no one was injured, but it could have been, very, very bad.

The kicker was that people close to the emergency response knew that the people who initially responded; were really, really lucky, that mistakes they made didn't turn an incident into a disaster. It wasn't really all their fault, they had limited experience, but it highlighted some serious issues.

The initial report got thrown back by 'Management', because they didn't want the bad news to go up chain; & so did the revised version, & one more version, until all the useful, & embarrassing information was removed from the report.

By the time a final report was issued; it was (a) sanitized of anything embarrassing to management, & (b) fucking useless to provide learnings to anyone who wanted to improve safety systems.

"Official Reports" aren't about providing information; they're about covering arses !
So what you are saying is that Mueller was covering Trump's arse?

Yeah, Mueller was Head of the DOJ, there was no-one above him who could demand that he edit his report.

That's exactly what I'm saying.
If that's not what you're saying what are you saying?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:54 pm
by fishfoodie
Santa wrote: If that's not what you're saying what are you saying?
I'm saying that, if you want to know if a report represents the true conclusions of its writers; or you want to know if anyone else interfered in it's conclusions, & creation; what do you do ?

You depose the people who wrote the report under oath !

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:07 am
by Santa
fishfoodie wrote:
Santa wrote: If that's not what you're saying what are you saying?
I'm saying that, if you want to know if a report represents the true conclusions of its writers; or you want to know if anyone else interfered in it's conclusions, & creation; what do you do ?

You depose the people who wrote the report under oath !
Yeah I don't think it would go too well for him if he came out and said he'd lied in the report.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:17 am
by fishfoodie
Santa wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:
Santa wrote: If that's not what you're saying what are you saying?
I'm saying that, if you want to know if a report represents the true conclusions of its writers; or you want to know if anyone else interfered in it's conclusions, & creation; what do you do ?

You depose the people who wrote the report under oath !
Yeah I don't think it would go too well for him if he came out and said he'd lied in the report.
Weak !

There's a worlds of difference between lying, & having someone else butcher your report with selective editing.

All I'm saying is it's a 5 minute exercise to bring in the people who put the report together; & swear them in, & ask them if anyone outside the team demanded edits, or interfered in the composition of the report.

It's a very simple question; & it's objectively simple to confirm.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:53 am
by Hong Kong
🤣 typical smokescreen by the make believe Xmas fairy.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:40 am
by Kiwias
The First Responders bill has been passed with funding till 2092. Only needs Trump's signature now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JbUek7goBk

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:03 am
by Hong Kong
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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:25 am
by Santa
fishfoodie wrote:
Santa wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:
Santa wrote: If that's not what you're saying what are you saying?
I'm saying that, if you want to know if a report represents the true conclusions of its writers; or you want to know if anyone else interfered in it's conclusions, & creation; what do you do ?

You depose the people who wrote the report under oath !
Yeah I don't think it would go too well for him if he came out and said he'd lied in the report.
Weak !

There's a worlds of difference between lying, & having someone else butcher your report with selective editing.

All I'm saying is it's a 5 minute exercise to bring in the people who put the report together; & swear them in, & ask them if anyone outside the team demanded edits, or interfered in the composition of the report.

It's a very simple question; & it's objectively simple to confirm.
I dunno dude. I'm juat not sure that a Health & Safety Report is like a Special Counsel Report. You should try reading the regs, especially who the report was actually written for and what it was required to contain.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:38 am
by 4071
fishfoodie wrote:
Santa wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:
Santa wrote: If that's not what you're saying what are you saying?
I'm saying that, if you want to know if a report represents the true conclusions of its writers; or you want to know if anyone else interfered in it's conclusions, & creation; what do you do ?

You depose the people who wrote the report under oath !
Yeah I don't think it would go too well for him if he came out and said he'd lied in the report.
Weak !

There's a worlds of difference between lying, & having someone else butcher your report with selective editing.

All I'm saying is it's a 5 minute exercise to bring in the people who put the report together; & swear them in, & ask them if anyone outside the team demanded edits, or interfered in the composition of the report.

It's a very simple question; & it's objectively simple to confirm.
There's no chance Muller would have been pressured into editing the report. If anything, I suspect a request to edit or sanitise the report would have found it's way into the report.

Given that the report itself is damning enough, and would be enough for impeachment hearings to begin for any other president, Muller has done his job. Which is probably why he is reluctant to testify and why he will not want to make any comments beyond the content of the report.

The Democrats want him to make a recommendation for impeachment or to say that he believes that the president obstructed justice and that the only reason for not indicting was the DOJ recommendation about indicting a president. Muller does not want to be forced to do their job for them. He's laid out the evidence, made all the recommendations he believes he was allowed to make, and has passed the report to the bodies who can act on the contents (the DOJ and the House). For different reasons, neither body has acted, but that's not on Muller. He should not have to do everything for them.


His testimony is likely to be quite dull. A lot of "I refer you to the statements made in the report"

The Dems could use this opportunity to highlight parts of the report that describe actions by the president that would be impeachable or that showed he and his team inviting and accepting Russian support in the election. Whilst Muller won't give his opinion on those, it can act as a televised highlight reel of the report, and show that Trump's claims that the report exonerated him are lies.

Ultimately it's a media/political exercise more than a search for more information.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:43 am
by Mr Mike
4071 wrote:His testimony is likely to be quite dull. A lot of "I refer you to the statements made in the report"
Certainly if previous testimony is anything to go by. He has a defensive technique Chris Tavaré would have envied.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:47 am
by Rinkals
Santa wrote:
tiddle wrote:
Flockwitt wrote:Not really expecting anything from the Mueller testimony despite the Trump admin's attempts to gag him, but I wonder why Mueller's suddenly asking for his deputy to also come along.
Likewise, everything he had to say on the report will be in the report shirley.
I wish to attack you for saying such a thing.
Don't be an arse.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:47 am
by penguin
4071 wrote: Ultimately it's a media/political exercise more than a search for more information.
Exactly. What Mueller says is likely to be nothing new - he's written the report, and he won't want to stray outside the lines of that - but if the democrats can do a good job then they can get across the central message of the report in a way that was not possible when the report first came out. My guess is that Mueller will make it tough for them - he showed last time that he does not want to be the one to light a match under things. He's handed the responsibility for lighting the bonfire to congress, and he's not going to want to take that lighter back.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:52 am
by Rinkals
fishfoodie wrote:
Santa wrote:
fishfoodie wrote:
Santa wrote: If that's not what you're saying what are you saying?
I'm saying that, if you want to know if a report represents the true conclusions of its writers; or you want to know if anyone else interfered in it's conclusions, & creation; what do you do ?

You depose the people who wrote the report under oath !
Yeah I don't think it would go too well for him if he came out and said he'd lied in the report.
Weak !

There's a worlds of difference between lying, & having someone else butcher your report with selective editing.

All I'm saying is it's a 5 minute exercise to bring in the people who put the report together; & swear them in, & ask them if anyone outside the team demanded edits, or interfered in the composition of the report.

It's a very simple question; & it's objectively simple to confirm.
It doesn't seem likely that Mueller's report would be released without him being party to the final format.

Mueller bent over backwards to make the report as bland and as toothless as he could, I can't see him saying anything to undermine it now.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:57 am
by Rinkals
penguin wrote:
4071 wrote: Ultimately it's a media/political exercise more than a search for more information.
Exactly. What Mueller says is likely to be nothing new - he's written the report, and he won't want to stray outside the lines of that - but if the democrats can do a good job then they can get across the central message of the report in a way that was not possible when the report first came out. My guess is that Mueller will make it tough for them - he showed last time that he does not want to be the one to light a match under things. He's handed the responsibility for lighting the bonfire to congress, and he's not going to want to take that lighter back.
I agree.

He knew full well that Congress would be unable to act against the President in any meaningful way without the support of the Senate, so it was just a can kicking exercise in terms of holding the President to account.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:33 pm
by Mr Mike
Mueller so far has told members of Congress to refer to the report in answering questions at least 28 times.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:48 pm
by paddyor
Bradley P. Moss
‏Verified account @BradMossEsq

HOLY SHIT

Mueller just said it. Mueller just said based on the facts Trump can be indicted once he leaves office!

That's it. It's over. #muellerday

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:59 pm
by paddyor
Glenn Thrush
‏Verified account @GlennThrush

Lieu: "The reason you did not indict Donald Trump... is because of the OLC decision. Is that correct?"

Mueller: "That is correct."
3:54 PM - 24 Jul 2019

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:59 pm
by Mr Mike
paddyor wrote:
Bradley P. Moss
‏Verified account @BradMossEsq

HOLY SHIT

Mueller just said it. Mueller just said based on the facts Trump can be indicted once he leaves office!

That's it. It's over. #muellerday
That’s quite a leap.
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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:02 pm
by paddyor
Is it wrong? I'm not actually watching.

https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/statu ... 0003036161

Yes it would appear to be leap.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:09 pm
by Mr Mike
paddyor wrote:Is it wrong? I'm not actually watching.

https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/statu ... 0003036161

Yes it would appear to be leap.
It’s misconstruing the statement Mueller made (which is simply a repetition of what is in his report). As a matter of law, a President ceases to have the benefit of the OLS opinion once he or she leaves office.

He did not make any statement that the evidence in the report would be sufficient to bring a prosecution (or that Trump should be prosecuted) when he leaves office. Mueller is maintaining his straight bat on those issues.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:10 pm
by Santa
He's a bit wishy washy on the various letters around the report.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:11 pm
by DragonKhan
paddyor wrote:
Bradley P. Moss
‏Verified account @BradMossEsq

HOLY SHIT

Mueller just said it. Mueller just said based on the facts Trump can be indicted once he leaves office!

That's it. It's over. #muellerday

That is a gross misinterpretation of what he said

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:15 pm
by Santa
So this is basically Republican asking about stuff around the investigation and the Democrats reading the report and Mueller saying yes, if it is in the report. The Democrats then keep reading the not above the law bit. What a boring set piece.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:21 pm
by Santa
He doesn't seem to have an answer about the propriety of writing the report whilst having no intention of deciding whether or not to indict.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:24 pm
by paddyor
Mr Mike wrote:
paddyor wrote:Is it wrong? I'm not actually watching.

https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/statu ... 0003036161

Yes it would appear to be leap.
It’s misconstruing the statement Mueller made (which is simply a repetition of what is in his report). As a matter of law, a President ceases to have the benefit of the OLS opinion once he or she leaves office.

He did not make any statement that the evidence in the report would be sufficient to bring a prosecution (or that Trump should be prosecuted) when he leaves office. Mueller is maintaining his straight bat on those issues.
Yep

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:24 pm
by Mr Mike
Mr Mike wrote:
paddyor wrote:Is it wrong? I'm not actually watching.

https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/statu ... 0003036161

Yes it would appear to be leap.
It’s misconstruing the statement Mueller made (which is simply a repetition of what is in his report). As a matter of law, a President ceases to have the benefit of the OLS opinion once he or she leaves office.

He did not make any statement that the evidence in the report would be sufficient to bring a prosecution (or that Trump should be prosecuted) when he leaves office. Mueller is maintaining his straight bat on those issues.
Here is the section of the report (page 1 of section 2).
Second, while the OLC opinion concludes that a sitting President may not be prosecuted, it recognizes that a criminal investigation during the President's term is permissible. The OLC opinion also recognizes that a President does not have immunity after he leaves office.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:29 pm
by 4071
Santa wrote:He doesn't seem to have an answer about the propriety of writing the report whilst having no intention of deciding whether or not to indict.
Of course, he did have the option to indict people who are not the president, so being unable to indict the president does not make the second part of the report somehow improper. After all, as Trump was attempting to obstruct justice there were a number of times when people who were not the president could have carried out his orders and - by doing so - obstructed the investigation. They would not have the benefit of the OLC recommendation and could have been indicted.

Right?


EDIT: In addition, as has been pointed out, the president's immunity only lasts while he is in office. Perhaps it would be a mistake to wait to start an investigation until after he has left office when the trail is colder. I believe this has already been pointed out. By Mueller.