Chat Forum
It is currently Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:03 pm

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 107110 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 2416, 2417, 2418, 2419, 2420, 2421, 2422 ... 2678  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:42 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:40 pm
Posts: 5891
Location: Suffolk ba
Meanwhile, and in 'real' politics with real voters

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50448814

Louisiana going Democrat would not have been a thing a few decades ago but, US-types, is this significant?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:59 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:56 pm
Posts: 9485
Saint wrote:
Santa wrote:
So here we have it.

The Democrats have paraded a bunch of 'witnesses' none of whom have first hand knowledge of either the call or any discussion around the call. And on the other side Schiff has denied Republican witness requests, including the f.ucking whistle blower, on the grounds of irrelevance.


If you want to.hear evidence from first hand sources then you might want to get the White House to stop blocking them from giving evidence on spurious grounds.

And, given that the initial transcript released by the White House effectively confirmed the Whistelblower's report to the IG, it's genuinely hard to see what relevance that has to a genuine enquiry. But it has plenty if relevance to any party that wants to try a target the messenger rather than the message.


Interesting. So what are these witnesses, who have no personal knowledge of the call or in some cases no personal knowledge of circumstances surrounding the call, testifying about if, as you suggest, their testimony is irrelevant?

There is also the question of why this administration would co-operate with a Congress that has shown itself to be operating in a bad faith and hyper-partisan manner. In fact the answer is in the first part of the post. Given that Democrats are going to throw up everyone who has every heard anything to fire all sorts of shit, the administration shouldn't co-operate. Just like every administration wouldn't.


Last edited by Santa on Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:33 am, edited 3 times in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:01 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Posts: 40661
ManInTheBar wrote:
Meanwhile, and in 'real' politics with real voters

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50448814

Louisiana going Democrat would not have been a thing a few decades ago but, US-types, is this significant?


The Democrat was the incumbent, to be fair.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:29 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:59 pm
Posts: 2603
Rinkals wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Roger Stone finally gets his. :smug:

As a matter of interest, what is the process behind a Presidential Pardon?

Can Trump say "you are hereby pardoned"? or does he have to put in an application?

Does Stone qualify for a pardon?

These were federal criminal offenses so all Trump has to do is sign. Stone has the right to decline, since accepting a parddon is widely considered to be an admission of guilt. Bill Clinton pardoned 140 people on his last day in office, including billionaire fugitive Marc Rich and his own brother, Roger. America.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:30 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:59 pm
Posts: 2603
Kiwias wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
Meanwhile, and in 'real' politics with real voters

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50448814

Louisiana going Democrat would not have been a thing a few decades ago but, US-types, is this significant?


The Democrat was the incumbent, to be fair.


When I hear 'incumbent' I think 'bicycle'.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:54 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Posts: 40661
6.Jones wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
Meanwhile, and in 'real' politics with real voters

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50448814

Louisiana going Democrat would not have been a thing a few decades ago but, US-types, is this significant?


The Democrat was the incumbent, to be fair.


When I hear 'incumbent' I think 'bicycle'.


Totally lost


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:31 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:04 am
Posts: 9478
Funniest video i have seen in a while :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
https://www.facebook.com/barbara.weibel ... 240353564/


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:00 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:30 am
Posts: 4936
fishfoodie wrote:
Saint wrote:
Santa wrote:
So here we have it.

The Democrats have paraded a bunch of 'witnesses' none of whom have first hand knowledge of either the call or any discussion around the call. And on the other side Schiff has denied Republican witness requests, including the f.ucking whistle blower, on the grounds of irrelevance.


If you want to.hear evidence from first hand sources then you might want to get the White House to stop blocking them from giving evidence on spurious grounds.

And, given that the initial transcript released by the White House effectively confirmed the Whistelblower's report to the IG, it's genuinely hard to see what relevance that has to a genuine enquiry. But it has plenty if relevance to any party that wants to try a target the messenger rather than the message.


I can't remember where I heard it; but I seem to remember some super authoritative source once saying that only guilty people plead the 5th ?

By that same guide; I can only assume that anyone who refused to give testimony under oath, is guilty ??

Should we ask the Russians to get their e-mails to be sure ???



Probably don’t want to get caught in one of those sneaky perjury traps.

One of those dastardly deep state schemes where they ask you a question, you lie in your answer and they find out you lied.

I think Sondland almost got get in their nefarious plot


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:48 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:56 pm
Posts: 9485
A devastating new testimony by an OMB official who didn't know why the aid was held up. Putting that together with the testimonies of people who weren't on the call and/or hadn't discussed the issue with Trump or anyone else, this is powerful stuff.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:01 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:59 pm
Posts: 2603
Kiwias wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
Meanwhile, and in 'real' politics with real voters

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50448814

Louisiana going Democrat would not have been a thing a few decades ago but, US-types, is this significant?


The Democrat was the incumbent, to be fair.


When I hear 'incumbent' I think 'bicycle'.


Totally lost

Incumbent bicycle?

No?

I'll get my coat.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:05 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:56 pm
Posts: 9485
6.Jones wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
Meanwhile, and in 'real' politics with real voters

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50448814

Louisiana going Democrat would not have been a thing a few decades ago but, US-types, is this significant?


The Democrat was the incumbent, to be fair.


When I hear 'incumbent' I think 'bicycle'.


Totally lost

Incumbent bicycle?

No?

I'll get my coat.


If it's any consolation, and it's not, but I got it.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:07 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:59 pm
Posts: 2603
Seneca of the Night wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Floppykid wrote:
Roger Stone finally gets his. :smug:

As a matter of interest, what is the process behind a Presidential Pardon?

Can Trump say "you are hereby pardoned"? or does he have to put in an application?

Does Stone qualify for a pardon?

These were federal criminal offenses so all Trump has to do is sign. Stone has the right to decline, since accepting a parddon is widely considered to be an admission of guilt. Bill Clinton pardoned 140 people on his last day in office, including billionaire fugitive Marc Rich and his own brother, Roger. America.


The Marc Rich story is mind blowing really. If he was just some minor billionaire fugitive, sure. But this guy was a genius. Even more a Bond villain than Epstein. It's incredible that after his death his minions were able to essentially launder all his trading positions, turn them 'material', rinse the assets through the London Stock Exchange, and find themselves the billionaire shareholders in one of the largest industrial mining conglomerates in the world. Look at its shiny legit website: https://www.glencore.com/

Wow. Glencore. I guess that's what laundering means.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:22 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:30 am
Posts: 4936
Santa wrote:
A devastating new testimony by an OMB official who didn't know why the aid was held up. Putting that together with the testimonies of people who weren't on the call and/or hadn't discussed the issue with Trump or anyone else, this is powerful stuff.


I suppose we can just listen to what Trump and Mulvany said


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Posts: 4460
Location: Monmouthshire
I think i can see a pattern with Trump cleaning the swamp (he hires them they get exposed and then get convicted):
Campaign Chair - Felon
deputy campaign chair - Felon
foreign policy adviser - Felon
national security adviser - Felon
personal lawyer - Felon
long standing political adviser - Felon


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:19 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:43 am
Posts: 3334
Kiwias wrote:
ManInTheBar wrote:
Meanwhile, and in 'real' politics with real voters

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50448814

Louisiana going Democrat would not have been a thing a few decades ago but, US-types, is this significant?


The Democrat was the incumbent, to be fair.


And pro-life, and pro-gun, which goes with the territory. Louisiana won't be in play next year, nor Kentucky. The Democratic senator in Alabama will take some heart from the results in those states, but he's really up against it; the outcome in the Mississippi gubernatorial election is probably the baseline for his chances.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:04 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Posts: 11126
Location: The centre of The Horrendous Space Kablooie!
Petej wrote:
I think i can see a pattern with Trump cleaning the swamp (he hires them they get exposed and then get convicted):
Campaign Chair - Felon
deputy campaign chair - Felon
foreign policy adviser - Felon
national security adviser - Felon
personal lawyer - Felon
long standing political adviser - Felon


I understand that he hardly knows these people.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:05 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:30 am
Posts: 4936
The Man Without Fear wrote:
Petej wrote:
I think i can see a pattern with Trump cleaning the swamp (he hires them they get exposed and then get convicted):
Campaign Chair - Felon
deputy campaign chair - Felon
foreign policy adviser - Felon
national security adviser - Felon
personal lawyer - Felon
long standing political adviser - Felon


I understand that he hardly knows these people.


He took a selfie with them, that is the extent of the relationships from what I’ve heard


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:11 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:30 am
Posts: 4936
Oh forgot a current talking point...

What were their actual crimes, if it doesn’t have to do with emails or Benghazi then it is obviously presidential advisor harassment


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:27 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Posts: 17200
Location: Adelaide via Sydney and Patea
Petej wrote:
I think i can see a pattern with Trump cleaning the swamp (he hires them they get exposed and then get convicted):
Campaign Chair - Felon
deputy campaign chair - Felon
foreign policy adviser - Felon
national security adviser - Felon
personal lawyer - Felon
long standing political adviser - Felon


Before one can drain the the swamp, first one must become the swamp...


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:34 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:59 pm
Posts: 2603
Seneca of the Night wrote:
If you were American, you would pull the lever for Trump. The alternatives stacked up against these so-called crunchy conservatives are too dire. That's kind of the point.


I could've been a conservative, but not like the Republican party is now. I'm your fiscal-conservative, pro-business, socially-progressive type. Bloomberg-era New York Republican. What the incels would call a RINO.

Trump's character prevents me from voting for him, like it would've stopped me voting for Hillary, had I been an American. Anyone who pretends he isn't a low-rent crook having a laugh is having themselves on. Like Hillary was a hawk who liked nothing better than to bomb people, while espousing the human rights of Americans. Pox on both their lying houses. That, and his socially regressive agenda. I remember when better Republicans debated humane immigration policies. Anyone who can pander to stadia full of chanting deplorables, while televangelists lay hands on him in the oval office, is a helluva operator.

It's a shame. I thought modern conservatism was headed firmly in the direction of rationality, just when the left was starting to drink its own Kool-Aid. Then along came the populists. It's the same in Australia, where we can't talk about climate change during bushfires. The only country I know of at the moment with a rational political discourse is New Zealand.

I blame Planet Rugby. I leave you in charge for a few years and look what happens.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:23 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Posts: 17364
6.Jones wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
If you were American, you would pull the lever for Trump. The alternatives stacked up against these so-called crunchy conservatives are too dire. That's kind of the point.


I could've been a conservative, but not like the Republican party is now. I'm your fiscal-conservative, pro-business, socially-progressive type. Bloomberg-era New York Republican. What the incels would call a RINO.

Trump's character prevents me from voting for him, like it would've stopped me voting for Hillary, had I been an American. Anyone who pretends he isn't a low-rent crook having a laugh is having themselves on. Like Hillary was a hawk who liked nothing better than to bomb people, while espousing the human rights of Americans. Pox on both their lying houses. That, and his socially regressive agenda. I remember when better Republicans debated humane immigration policies. Anyone who can pander to stadia full of chanting deplorables, while televangelists lay hands on him in the oval office, is a helluva operator.

It's a shame. I thought modern conservatism was headed firmly in the direction of rationality, just when the left was starting to drink its own Kool-Aid. Then along came the populists. It's the same in Australia, where we can't talk about climate change during bushfires. The only country I know of at the moment with a rational political discourse is New Zealand.

I blame Planet Rugby. I leave you in charge for a few years and look what happens.


I would have thought the rise of the Tea Party would have been an indication that that was not the case. AFAICT, the Republican party has been all but submerged in Christian Evangalism and any pretence at rationality has long since been abandoned.

The benches have been stuffed with conservative judges and the voting system has been manipulated and gerrymandered to the point where Trump couldlose the popular vote by 5 million and still win the electoral college.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:52 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:59 pm
Posts: 2603
Rinkals wrote:
I would have thought the rise of the Tea Party would have been an indication that that was not the case. AFAICT, the Republican party has been all but submerged in Christian Evangalism and any pretence at rationality has long since been abandoned.

Yes, I guess that's right. The Tea Party was the reaction of one wing of conservatism to another, and it totally wiped the floor. That's the nature of populist movements in democracies. There's a honeymoon phase where anything they say seems attractive to malcontents wanting change, and so they sweep into power. You see it with Trump. Look at John Kennedy - an Oxford educated, ex-Democrat, ex-law professor - gleefully declaring himself a deplorable. I bet he's going to have some post-coital regrets. As will some of Seneca's 'crunchy conservatives' for embracing the Tea Party, when what they really wanted was a return to William F. Buckley Jr., and got the Donald instead.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:18 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:01 am
Posts: 8498
Taranaki Snapper wrote:
Petej wrote:
I think i can see a pattern with Trump cleaning the swamp (he hires them they get exposed and then get convicted):
Campaign Chair - Felon
deputy campaign chair - Felon
foreign policy adviser - Felon
national security adviser - Felon
personal lawyer - Felon
long standing political adviser - Felon


Before one can drain the the swamp, first one must become the swamp...


A sort of crime on, crime off approach, and they just got stuck on crime on?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:16 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:30 am
Posts: 4936
Quote:
Tell Jennifer Williams, whoever that is, to read BOTH transcripts of the presidential calls, & see the just released ststement from Ukraine. Then she should meet with the other Never Trumpers, who I don’t know & mostly never even heard of, & work out a better presidential attack!


Telling a witness who listened to the call to read the transcript :?

All these never-Trumpers who until this year all worked for the Trump administration :?

The man has lost it


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:05 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:59 pm
Posts: 2603
piquant wrote:
crime on, crime off


:lol: Love it. If you can catch a porn star with chopsticks, then you truly have become the master.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:35 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:01 am
Posts: 8498
6.Jones wrote:
piquant wrote:
crime on, crime off


:lol: Love it. If you can catch a porn star with chopsticks, then you truly have become the master.


Thinking on the Trump maxim you need to gran them by the... one might conclude it'd be easier to catch the men


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:59 pm
Posts: 2603
Seneca of the Night wrote:
And forget about the tea party or RINOs or Buckley Jnr.

Things are moving so fast it's now neo-alt-right and zoomers and groypers and trad-caths and Logos Rising and Never-Trumpers descending and all sorts of other bizarre shit.

It's metastasising. Like the cast in a cyberpunk novel.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:39 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Posts: 8028
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Barr is an extreme homme serieux, and seems to be making a play as the Cicero of this epic drama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NdbANrjFWE


More cystitis than Cicero.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:42 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:30 am
Posts: 4936
Seneca of the Night wrote:
On Trump, he is no low rent crook having a laugh. Firstly, he's not low rent. That's pricey 5th Avenue real estate he's been plonked down on for decades. People keep getting this wrong, and misunderstanding Trump's actual position in the pecking order, as though he is faking it. Wrong. Trump is this:

MEGA f**king ALPHA ON STEROIDS

He is absolutely fcking smashing it, and people don't know where to turn


Why do you equate Trump's bullying to being some sort of Alpha male?

Every time he emerges from a meeting with another strongman world leader he comes out of it with tail firmly between his legs like a little whipped pup.

Sure he seems strong when he is punching down on the "never trumper" staff members, but put him next to Putin and he is a cowering wimp


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:52 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:59 pm
Posts: 2603
Seneca of the Night wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
And forget about the tea party or RINOs or Buckley Jnr.

Things are moving so fast it's now neo-alt-right and zoomers and groypers and trad-caths and Logos Rising and Never-Trumpers descending and all sorts of other bizarre shit.

It's metastasising. Like the cast in a cyberpunk novel.


It is. Basically the doors have been blown off the right hand side of American politics. Just about everything is possible now. Until it gets deplatformed of course. It's like whack-a-mole though. Loons and heroes are proliferating.

Who can deplatform the real loons? They're creatures of the dark web.

[Actually it's not really the dark web. It's the dimension defined by YouTube comments sections]


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:14 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:56 pm
Posts: 9485
Seneca of the Night wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
If you were American, you would pull the lever for Trump. The alternatives stacked up against these so-called crunchy conservatives are too dire. That's kind of the point.


I could've been a conservative, but not like the Republican party is now. I'm your fiscal-conservative, pro-business, socially-progressive type. Bloomberg-era New York Republican. What the incels would call a RINO.

Trump's character prevents me from voting for him, like it would've stopped me voting for Hillary, had I been an American. Anyone who pretends he isn't a low-rent crook having a laugh is having themselves on. Like Hillary was a hawk who liked nothing better than to bomb people, while espousing the human rights of Americans. Pox on both their lying houses. That, and his socially regressive agenda. I remember when better Republicans debated humane immigration policies. Anyone who can pander to stadia full of chanting deplorables, while televangelists lay hands on him in the oval office, is a helluva operator.

It's a shame. I thought modern conservatism was headed firmly in the direction of rationality, just when the left was starting to drink its own Kool-Aid. Then along came the populists. It's the same in Australia, where we can't talk about climate change during bushfires. The only country I know of at the moment with a rational political discourse is New Zealand.

I blame Planet Rugby. I leave you in charge for a few years and look what happens.


Yet again, I must politely disagree with you on many of these points. I think you're on the right track, but things are moving real fast atm.

On Trump, he is no low rent crook having a laugh. Firstly, he's not low rent. That's pricey 5th Avenue real estate he's been plonked down on for decades. People keep getting this wrong, and misunderstanding Trump's actual position in the pecking order, as though he is faking it. Wrong. Trump is this:

MEGA FUCKING ALPHA ON STEROIDS

He is absolutely fcking smashing it, and people don't know where to turn. This is better from Tabibi:

Quote:
The first thing you notice at Donald Trump’s rallies is the confidence. Amateur psychologists have wishfully diagnosed him from afar as insecure, but in person the notion seems absurd.

Donald Trump, insecure? We should all have such problems.

It turns out we let our electoral process devolve into something so fake and dysfunctional that any half-bright con man with the stones to try it could walk right through the front door and tear it to shreds on the first go.

And Trump is no half-bright con man, either. He’s way better than average.


As to the serious of this: this is real. This is not some circus act; though it certainly looks it most of the time. This is seriously the stuff that a future Thucydides or Gibbon will sit down and sharpen his pencil to.

This is well worth a watch in full, as it demonstrates a few things. Firstly there are a surprising number of proper serious people behind the nonsense of ludicrous liberal media blather who are concerned about proper constitutional issues being worked over at the moment and Trump is stirring up. Be sure these people are aligning themselves behind him. And secondly, in the internet parlance du jour: Wat Barr mean? By this? Now? There are some reports about to drop, and he's giving this speech... Interesting indeed. Anyway, worth everyone's time. Barr is an extreme homme serieux, and seems to be making a play as the Cicero of this epic drama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NdbANrjFWE


That is a seriously interesting speech. Barr really lays it down, especially a very particular view of the presidency.

I'm coming to the view that a unitary executive is Americas only hope. All else is chaos.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:26 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Posts: 17364
BokJock wrote:
Quote:
Tell Jennifer Williams, whoever that is, to read BOTH transcripts of the presidential calls, & see the just released ststement from Ukraine. Then she should meet with the other Never Trumpers, who I don’t know & mostly never even heard of, & work out a better presidential attack!


Telling a witness who listened to the call to read the transcript :?

All these never-Trumpers who until this year all worked for the Trump administration :?

The man has lost it

Lost it?

He never had it.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:20 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Posts: 6261
Seneca of the Night wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
If you were American, you would pull the lever for Trump. The alternatives stacked up against these so-called crunchy conservatives are too dire. That's kind of the point.


I could've been a conservative, but not like the Republican party is now. I'm your fiscal-conservative, pro-business, socially-progressive type. Bloomberg-era New York Republican. What the incels would call a RINO.

Trump's character prevents me from voting for him, like it would've stopped me voting for Hillary, had I been an American. Anyone who pretends he isn't a low-rent crook having a laugh is having themselves on. Like Hillary was a hawk who liked nothing better than to bomb people, while espousing the human rights of Americans. Pox on both their lying houses. That, and his socially regressive agenda. I remember when better Republicans debated humane immigration policies. Anyone who can pander to stadia full of chanting deplorables, while televangelists lay hands on him in the oval office, is a helluva operator.

It's a shame. I thought modern conservatism was headed firmly in the direction of rationality, just when the left was starting to drink its own Kool-Aid. Then along came the populists. It's the same in Australia, where we can't talk about climate change during bushfires. The only country I know of at the moment with a rational political discourse is New Zealand.

I blame Planet Rugby. I leave you in charge for a few years and look what happens.


Yet again, I must politely disagree with you on many of these points. I think you're on the right track, but things are moving real fast atm.

On Trump, he is no low rent crook having a laugh. Firstly, he's not low rent. That's pricey 5th Avenue real estate he's been plonked down on for decades. People keep getting this wrong, and misunderstanding Trump's actual position in the pecking order, as though he is faking it. Wrong. Trump is this:

MEGA FUCKING ALPHA ON STEROIDS

He is absolutely fcking smashing it, and people don't know where to turn. This is better from Tabibi:

Quote:
The first thing you notice at Donald Trump’s rallies is the confidence. Amateur psychologists have wishfully diagnosed him from afar as insecure, but in person the notion seems absurd.

Donald Trump, insecure? We should all have such problems.

It turns out we let our electoral process devolve into something so fake and dysfunctional that any half-bright con man with the stones to try it could walk right through the front door and tear it to shreds on the first go.

And Trump is no half-bright con man, either. He’s way better than average.


As to the serious of this: this is real. This is not some circus act; though it certainly looks it most of the time. This is seriously the stuff that a future Thucydides or Gibbon will sit down and sharpen his pencil to.

This is well worth a watch in full, as it demonstrates a few things. Firstly there are a surprising number of proper serious people behind the nonsense of ludicrous liberal media blather who are concerned about proper constitutional issues being worked over at the moment and Trump is stirring up. Be sure these people are aligning themselves behind him. And secondly, in the internet parlance du jour: Wat Barr mean? By this? Now? There are some reports about to drop, and he's giving this speech... Interesting indeed. Anyway, worth everyone's time. Barr is an extreme homme serieux, and seems to be making a play as the Cicero of this epic drama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NdbANrjFWE

What a load of tripe. The guy is a salesman, good at it, and has self confidence born of money, privilege and a lifetime of limelight in a society that promotes the self-promoter. None of which alters the fact he's a buffoon.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:24 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:30 am
Posts: 4936
Seneca of the Night wrote:

I can't find it online, but a new campaign ad for Trump dropped last week and it's an apocalyptic Michael Bay style production with Antifa loons rioting everywhere and the strapline that only one man stands between America and chaos.

This is so bloody interesting as you can see how Republics slide into 'dictatorship' or imperial rule and it's not necessarily because one man seizes it. Sovereignty flows to that individual as elites lose control and squabble and the people sense that they have failed in their role.


Trump doesn't want to be a dictator but it might be thrust upon his alphaness?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:28 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:30 am
Posts: 4936
could it not be Oprah? she seems nice


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:30 am
Posts: 4936
Seneca of the Night wrote:
BokJock wrote:
could it not be Oprah? she seems nice


If she ran as a Republican.

Any Dem brings the Beast.


Deal


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:08 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Posts: 11306
6.Jones wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
If you were American, you would pull the lever for Trump. The alternatives stacked up against these so-called crunchy conservatives are too dire. That's kind of the point.


I could've been a conservative, but not like the Republican party is now. I'm your fiscal-conservative, pro-business, socially-progressive type. Bloomberg-era New York Republican. What the incels would call a RINO.

Trump's character prevents me from voting for him, like it would've stopped me voting for Hillary, had I been an American. Anyone who pretends he isn't a low-rent crook having a laugh is having themselves on. Like Hillary was a hawk who liked nothing better than to bomb people, while espousing the human rights of Americans. Pox on both their lying houses. That, and his socially regressive agenda. I remember when better Republicans debated humane immigration policies. Anyone who can pander to stadia full of chanting deplorables, while televangelists lay hands on him in the oval office, is a helluva operator.

It's a shame. I thought modern conservatism was headed firmly in the direction of rationality, just when the left was starting to drink its own Kool-Aid. Then along came the populists. It's the same in Australia, where we can't talk about climate change during bushfires. The only country I know of at the moment with a rational political discourse is New Zealand.

I blame Planet Rugby. I leave you in charge for a few years and look what happens.


Good to see you back!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:30 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:56 pm
Posts: 9485
Impeachment viewer numbers plummet for Friday's testimony.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:40 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Posts: 17364
TheFrog wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
If you were American, you would pull the lever for Trump. The alternatives stacked up against these so-called crunchy conservatives are too dire. That's kind of the point.


I could've been a conservative, but not like the Republican party is now. I'm your fiscal-conservative, pro-business, socially-progressive type. Bloomberg-era New York Republican. What the incels would call a RINO.

Trump's character prevents me from voting for him, like it would've stopped me voting for Hillary, had I been an American. Anyone who pretends he isn't a low-rent crook having a laugh is having themselves on. Like Hillary was a hawk who liked nothing better than to bomb people, while espousing the human rights of Americans. Pox on both their lying houses. That, and his socially regressive agenda. I remember when better Republicans debated humane immigration policies. Anyone who can pander to stadia full of chanting deplorables, while televangelists lay hands on him in the oval office, is a helluva operator.

It's a shame. I thought modern conservatism was headed firmly in the direction of rationality, just when the left was starting to drink its own Kool-Aid. Then along came the populists. It's the same in Australia, where we can't talk about climate change during bushfires. The only country I know of at the moment with a rational political discourse is New Zealand.

I blame Planet Rugby. I leave you in charge for a few years and look what happens.


Good to see you back!

It is, indeed.

He offers an alternative to the acrimony that Santa and Sen are so adept at cultivating.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:42 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:05 am
Posts: 17364
Santa wrote:
Impeachment viewer numbers plummet for Friday's testimony.


This is certainly the sort of priority that DJT tends to seek

Maybe it means what you think it means. :thumbup: .


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 107110 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 2416, 2417, 2418, 2419, 2420, 2421, 2422 ... 2678  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], Blake, Boobs not Moobs, Boxcar Ira, CarrotGawks, danny_fitz, danthefan, DOB, EverReady, Frodder, Google Adsense [Bot], henry, Leinsterman, MrBunhead, Phredd, RandomNavigat0r, RodneyRegis and 66 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group