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If you were American, you would pull the lever for Trump. The alternatives stacked up against these so-called crunchy conservatives are too dire. That's kind of the point.


I could've been a conservative, but not like the Republican party is now. I'm your fiscal-conservative, pro-business, socially-progressive type. Bloomberg-era New York Republican. What the incels would call a RINO.

Trump's character prevents me from voting for him, like it would've stopped me voting for Hillary, had I been an American. Anyone who pretends he isn't a low-rent crook having a laugh is having themselves on. Like Hillary was a hawk who liked nothing better than to bomb people, while espousing the human rights of Americans. Pox on both their lying houses. That, and his socially regressive agenda. I remember when better Republicans debated humane immigration policies. Anyone who can pander to stadia full of chanting deplorables, while televangelists lay hands on him in the oval office, is a helluva operator.

It's a shame. I thought modern conservatism was headed firmly in the direction of rationality, just when the left was starting to drink its own Kool-Aid. Then along came the populists. It's the same in Australia, where we can't talk about climate change during bushfires. The only country I know of at the moment with a rational political discourse is New Zealand.

I blame Planet Rugby. I leave you in charge for a few years and look what happens.


Yet again, I must politely disagree with you on many of these points. I think you're on the right track, but things are moving real fast atm.

On Trump, he is no low rent crook having a laugh. Firstly, he's not low rent. That's pricey 5th Avenue real estate he's been plonked down on for decades. People keep getting this wrong, and misunderstanding Trump's actual position in the pecking order, as though he is faking it. Wrong. Trump is this:

MEGA FUCKING ALPHA ON STEROIDS

He is absolutely fcking smashing it, and people don't know where to turn. This is better from Tabibi:

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The first thing you notice at Donald Trump’s rallies is the confidence. Amateur psychologists have wishfully diagnosed him from afar as insecure, but in person the notion seems absurd.

Donald Trump, insecure? We should all have such problems.

It turns out we let our electoral process devolve into something so fake and dysfunctional that any half-bright con man with the stones to try it could walk right through the front door and tear it to shreds on the first go.

And Trump is no half-bright con man, either. He’s way better than average.


As to the serious of this: this is real. This is not some circus act; though it certainly looks it most of the time. This is seriously the stuff that a future Thucydides or Gibbon will sit down and sharpen his pencil to.

This is well worth a watch in full, as it demonstrates a few things. Firstly there are a surprising number of proper serious people behind the nonsense of ludicrous liberal media blather who are concerned about proper constitutional issues being worked over at the moment and Trump is stirring up. Be sure these people are aligning themselves behind him. And secondly, in the internet parlance du jour: Wat Barr mean? By this? Now? There are some reports about to drop, and he's giving this speech... Interesting indeed. Anyway, worth everyone's time. Barr is an extreme homme serieux, and seems to be making a play as the Cicero of this epic drama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NdbANrjFWE

What a load of tripe. The guy is a salesman, good at it, and has self confidence born of money, privilege and a lifetime of limelight in a society that promotes the self-promoter. None of which alters the fact he's a buffoon.


So you agree with me then. :thumbup:

I suppose I do :mad:

Alpha male. Bah! Still in it's own way it does define Trump. A twitterati with as much depth as yesterday's tropey woke memes and Instagram influencers.


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'Reversed' the 1978 position on the legality of Israeli settlements in the West Bank.


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3 reasons why impeachment fatigue has already set in

And that’s not a good sign for Democrats.

The first day of the impeachment hearings were watched by nearly 13.8 million people across multiple broadcast and cable outlets. So that's a strong number showing an engaged nation, right?

Nope. And here’s why:

The 13.8 million people who tuned in on ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, CSPAN and PBS marks a 31 percent drop from the number of people who watched former FBI Director James Comey’s testimony to the Senate Intelligence Committee in June 2017, which delivered more than 19 million viewers.

The 13.8 million who watched the first day of the impeachment hearings were also two million fewer than the number who tuned in to former Trump personal attorney and fixer Michael Cohen's testimony, which delivered 15.8 million viewers.

It’s also 1.5 million fewer than the number who tuned in to the first Democratic debates, which didn't have the benefit of being on most of the major broadcast networks and all of the cable news networks.

On Friday, the number declined even further, with just 12.7 million tuning in, a drop of more than one million viewers from Wednesday. That's a horrible sign for Democrats.

So why are the impeachment viewership numbers so flat? Here are three reasons:

1. All the media’s chips were pushed to the middle of the table during the Mueller investigation. Russian collusion with Trump to fix the 2016 election was the big, sexy sell. But after nearly two years of covering (more speculating than covering, actually) a story that more than a few people thought would end the Trump presidency, the report released in April 2017 showed no collusion and therefore no payoff for the half of the country that wanted Trump gone.

Ukraine and talk of quid pro quos now serve as the limp sequel to all things Russia. The story isn’t as easy to understand as collusion, nor is it remotely as sexy. According to a new CBS News poll, just one in five Americans say they think “the events surrounding impeachment have been very easy to follow so far.” That's a stunningly low number.

2.This impeachment has no intrigue: In 1974, 410 members of Congress voted in favor of starting the impeachment process, while just four voted against. In 2019, not one House Republican voted in favor of starting impeachment proceedings.

Back then, the public was very much engaged in the process. According to Gallup, 71 percent of Americans tuned in to watch the Nixon impeachment hearings. In 2019, the number is less than 5 percent of the population in terms of TV viewership.

3. The messenger isn’t trusted. Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) is officially the face of impeachment on the Democratic side. If the goal is to create some Republican buy-in to make this process look even a little bipartisan, Schiff is about the last person on Capitol Hill you'd hire for the job.

And polls reflect that: 52 percent of those polled by CBS News say Democrats are doing a bad job of handling the inquiry thus far. In the end, this feels more like a political food fight than any honest search for truth.

Impeachment continues this week. Numbers will likely continue to fall unless the president himself testifies, something he wrote Monday he's open to doing.

And after this week, we're in Thanksgiving week, which means many people will be traveling and visiting family. Then comes December and the holiday season before the 2020 race takes center stage.

Democrats are already almost out of runway on impeachment. The American public already appears bored. As hard as it is to believe, impeachment of a president isn't the ratings blockbuster, must-see-TV event it once was.


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'Reversed' the 1978 position on the legality of Israeli settlements in the West Bank.


Jesus...


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Alpha male. Bah! Still in it's own way it does define Trump. A twitterati with as much depth as yesterday's tropey woke memes and Instagram influencers.


An alpha male with a note from his doctor (which he wrote and paid for) saying he doesn't need to do any alpha or indeed male things


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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Alpha male. Bah! Still in it's own way it does define Trump. A twitterati with as much depth as yesterday's tropey woke memes and Instagram influencers.


An alpha male with a note from his doctor (which he wrote and paid for) saying he doesn't need to do any alpha or indeed male things


What, like fcking his supermodel wife, or hovering his stubby fingers over the nuclear button, or strutting over past the helicopter and fcking up the FAKE NEWS good and proper.

Yeah, the beta estrogen is really flowing through Trump. Veins of pure soy.


Really very odd. If even the President of the United States is not an alpha then who is?


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Impeachment viewer numbers plummet for Friday's testimony.

not sure if it was you or Seneca who referenced a republican view that a successful impeachment could play to Donald's advantage in election year ie, after the hype and spin of shiffty's congress inquiries, the senate would expose the real corruption.

i'm on those lines and starting to believe Donald wants to be impeached, so as to force the media to cover his narrative in a republican controlled senate trial.

can imagine the highlights would be prime time viewing then, with plenty of heads exploding (like 2016 election night, but strung out over months). and all because the democrats demanded it!


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Santa wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
piquant wrote:
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Alpha male. Bah! Still in it's own way it does define Trump. A twitterati with as much depth as yesterday's tropey woke memes and Instagram influencers.


An alpha male with a note from his doctor (which he wrote and paid for) saying he doesn't need to do any alpha or indeed male things


What, like fcking his supermodel wife, or hovering his stubby fingers over the nuclear button, or strutting over past the helicopter and fcking up the FAKE NEWS good and proper.

Yeah, the beta estrogen is really flowing through Trump. Veins of pure soy.


Really very odd. If even the President of the United States is not an alpha then who is?


That's true. At the risk of trampling on Seneca's irony, Alpha is a hierarchical role, which is often muddled with a personality type. The Prez is undoubtedly the world's alpha male. Someone like Putin however would arguably be the world's Type A personality, as well as being a sociopath. There's a high degree of correlation between sociopathy and success in power structures.


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6.Jones wrote:
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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Alpha male. Bah! Still in it's own way it does define Trump. A twitterati with as much depth as yesterday's tropey woke memes and Instagram influencers.


An alpha male with a note from his doctor (which he wrote and paid for) saying he doesn't need to do any alpha or indeed male things


What, like fcking his supermodel wife, or hovering his stubby fingers over the nuclear button, or strutting over past the helicopter and fcking up the FAKE NEWS good and proper.

Yeah, the beta estrogen is really flowing through Trump. Veins of pure soy.


Really very odd. If even the President of the United States is not an alpha then who is?


That's true. At the risk of trampling on Seneca's irony, Alpha is a hierarchical role, which is often muddled with a personality type. The Prez is undoubtedly the world's alpha male. Someone like Putin however would arguably be the world's Type A personality, as well as being a sociopath. There's a high degree of correlation between sociopathy and success in power structures.


That's only really true in the wild, where Alpha's become top dog down to strength and cunning. Also true for Putin in Russia, but more down to machiavellian scheming.

In a democracy Alpha isn't hierarchical - it's very much a personality type (no-one would ever have described the peanut farmer as an Alpha Male for instance). Trump is actually really a Gamma type pretending the Alpha role - and the insecurities just keep shining through


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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That's only really true in the wild, where Alpha's become top dog down to strength and cunning. Also true for Putin in Russia, but more down to machiavellian scheming.

In a democracy Alpha isn't hierarchical - it's very much a personality type (no-one would ever have described the peanut farmer as an Alpha Male for instance). Trump is actually really a Gamma type pretending the Alpha role - and the insecurities just keep shining through


He really seriously isn't. This is just really bloody silly.


He's even.lower than that then? He's no Alpha, and it's hard to see him even as a Beta. For both types, the insults tend to wash over them. But with Trump he's so thin skinned, takes every criticism so personally, that he just can't help himself. Combine that with his apparent need to be adored by the pu lic and it's hard to draw any other conclusion


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Seneca of the Night wrote:
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That's only really true in the wild, where Alpha's become top dog down to strength and cunning. Also true for Putin in Russia, but more down to machiavellian scheming.

In a democracy Alpha isn't hierarchical - it's very much a personality type (no-one would ever have described the peanut farmer as an Alpha Male for instance). Trump is actually really a Gamma type pretending the Alpha role - and the insecurities just keep shining through


He really seriously isn't. This is just really bloody silly.


Whoa...

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Jesus this has gotten lame.


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Well whatever you want to term him this top dog alpha honcho dude has decided that the Israeli settlements are legal. Or is this Jared’s idea of a peace plan?


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Jesus this has gotten lame.


He's closer to being lame than alpha for sure. The man can't even stand or walk normally, was he castrated?


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Graham has already booked Horowitz to testify. There will be some egg on some faces if the report doesn't contain much.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/470 ... ance-abuse


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In a democracy Alpha isn't hierarchical - it's very much a personality type

I'm not sure that's right, scientifically speaking. Type A personality comes from psychology, while Alpha comes from biology. Type A is a personality. Alpha is a type of hierarchical position. Alpha personality is a pop psychology neologism.


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If we're questioning terminology then I challenge the whole 'supermodel' thing. Plastic trashbag is closer to the mark.


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Supermodels are like super yachts. A hole into which you throw money. Not that I have any experience with either.


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In a democracy Alpha isn't hierarchical - it's very much a personality type

I'm not sure that's right, scientifically speaking. Type A personality comes from psychology, while Alpha comes from biology. Type A is a personality. Alpha is a type of hierarchical position. Alpha personality is a pop psychology neologism.


If we want to go down that route then we.need to stop talking about Alpha males.in this context. It may have a scientific meaning, but when used to describe, say, The President, it has an "understood" meaning


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Saint wrote:
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In a democracy Alpha isn't hierarchical - it's very much a personality type

I'm not sure that's right, scientifically speaking. Type A personality comes from psychology, while Alpha comes from biology. Type A is a personality. Alpha is a type of hierarchical position. Alpha personality is a pop psychology neologism.


If we want to go down that route then we.need to stop talking about Alpha males.in this context. It may have a scientific meaning, but when used to describe, say, The President, it has an "understood" meaning

Fair enough. Alpha male certainly does have a popular meaning. I'll pull my pedantic head in. :)

By that definition, Donald isn't an alpha. He only dominates weak or powerless people.


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That's only really true in the wild, where Alpha's become top dog down to strength and cunning. Also true for Putin in Russia, but more down to machiavellian scheming.

In a democracy Alpha isn't hierarchical - it's very much a personality type (no-one would ever have described the peanut farmer as an Alpha Male for instance). Trump is actually really a Gamma type pretending the Alpha role - and the insecurities just keep shining through


He really seriously isn't. This is just really bloody silly.


He's even.lower than that then? He's no Alpha, and it's hard to see him even as a Beta. For both types, the insults tend to wash over them. But with Trump he's so thin skinned, takes every criticism so personally, that he just can't help himself. Combine that with his apparent need to be adored by the pu lic and it's hard to draw any other conclusion


It's not just the pathetic egotism, & thin skin; but also the essential cowardice of the man.

As an adult; he started by posing in the ROTC in HS & College, but when those draft notices arrived, he hid behind the bogus, 'bone spurs'; & he continues to this day by being a coward.

Has he ever fired someone, IRL, to their face ?

It's all very well doing it on TV, as a pretend 'Hard Man', but in real world, he's gutless !


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Impeachment viewer numbers plummet for Friday's testimony.

not sure if it was you or Seneca who referenced a republican view that a successful impeachment could play to Donald's advantage in election year ie, after the hype and spin of shiffty's congress inquiries, the senate would expose the real corruption.

i'm on those lines and starting to believe Donald wants to be impeached, so as to force the media to cover his narrative in a republican controlled senate trial.

can imagine the highlights would be prime time viewing then, with plenty of heads exploding (like 2016 election night, but strung out over months). and all because the democrats demanded it!

Keep calm and qanon!
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Even the Russians would struggle to come up with something that bonkers.


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It's "load and lock". Originally spoken by John Wayne in "Sands of Iwo Jima". It became "lock and load" when one of the commandos in Resident Evil says "It's time to lock and load." upon first seeing advancing zombies. If you were to lock and load an M-16 rifle [the weapon in question] in that sequence the bullet would fall to the ground, and the zombies would eat your brains


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Sondland sent emails to Mulvany and Perry, keeping them up to date on the scheme to get the Bidens investigated.

This is such a witch hunt, right?!?

Report in the fake news WSJ
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/lawmakers-dispute-impact-of-first-week-of-public-impeachment-hearings-11574007673


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you must visit some whacky websites.


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you must visit some whacky websites.


It's an especially weird response to your post which was essentially about this:

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/1 ... 020-071377


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Today's testimony will be from Jennifer Edwards, an aide to Vice President Pence, and Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the National Security Council's top Ukraine expert. He arrived in uniform.


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Ukranian sleeper agent Vindman about to testify...

Crazy Shifty Schiff waffling on as usual, when will he be impeached, huh, when?

WITCH HUNT!


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Ukranian sleeper agent Vindman about to testify...

Crazy Shifty Schiff waffling on as usual, when will he be impeached, huh, when?

WITCH HUNT!


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you must visit some whacky websites.


It's an especially weird response to your post which was essentially about this:

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/1 ... 020-071377

after schiffty's precedent, I expect the senate to be almost as equally partisan and (as with the russiagate inguiry) follow wherever the evidence leads..

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Nunes is a piece of work


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you must visit some whacky websites.


It's an especially weird response to your post which was essentially about this:

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/1 ... 020-071377


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“It would be horrible,” Ernst deadpanned on Monday. Elizabeth “Warren and Bernie Sanders will be here right before the Iowa caucuses. [Iowans] expect to reach out and shake their hands. And they will be here sitting at their desks. I feel so badly for them.”


If they don't want to do their elected jobs, they can resign. Buttigieg stopped being the real mayor of South Bend some months ago and Pence when he got called up to the presidential ticket by Trump effectively stopped caring about Indiana. It's one of the ridiculous things about sitting politicians running for higher office is they completely ignore their elected day job. I wish the House and Senate took quorum every single morning.

One thing about a Senate trial is I think this is the first time we'll ever have it done by the party of the president.

Andrew Johnson (D) 1868 - both houses were supermajority Republican
Richard Nixon (R) 1974 - both houses were majority Democrat
Bill Clinton (D) 1998 - both houses were majority Republican


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Nunes is a piece of work

I take some solace from the fact that he has been trying (unsuccessfully) for months now to sue a twitter account called Devin Nunes' Cow


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IT HAS BEGUN
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Anyone who favours Schiff over Nunes has not got their head screwed on straight and needs to take an extremely long weekend off fishing, looking into the lake, and contemplating human nature and existence.


Better yet, I will take a long contemplative walk from the Capitol Building to the Whitehouse lawn


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Bit of a headshot from Vindman in his opening statement about the phone call.


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Schiff will have a name and can then shoot for Senator from California when Dianne Feinstein retires or dies.


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Vindaman is a poor witness, he seems to be incoherent and mixing words up....ask the lady mroe questions .. she is better composed..


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Lt. Col. Vindman testified that, during a July 10 meeting in former national security adviser John Bolton's office, EU ambassador Gordan Sondland "interjected" and said that in order to get a White House meeting, the Ukrainians would have to provide "a deliverable," according to Sondland, "which is investigations, specific investigations."

After that, Vindman said, Bolton "abruptly ended the meeting."


This guy Sondland sounds like a grade-A idiot from what I've read of him. I believe he agreed to testify. If the Democrats are going to get anything from this, he has to be their guy to crack and say something.


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