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You'd think that just by accident one would be good...but no. It's like watching someone attempt a hurdles race and not even get off the ground at each obstacle.


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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 12:53 pm 
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Mr Mike wrote:
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The million dollar question here is:

If Mueller thinks a Special Prosecutor is prohibted by Justice Dept guidance from making a prosecution recomendation against a sitting president, what the f*ck was he doing accepting this role in the first place given that is exactly what it required him to do.
That wasn’t what it necessarily required and the issue was addressed specifically.

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First, the opinion explicitly permits the investigation of a sitting President because it is important to preserve evidence while memories are fresh and documents are available. Among other things, that evidence could be used if there were co-conspirators who could now be charged.

And second, the opinion says that the Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting President of wrongdoing.
The second point is the most neglected and overlooked point when talking about the 10 identified potential acts of obstruction, particularly the potential witness tampering.

Mueller main point was “read the report you lazy bastards” and stop the handwringing and act on strengthening protectionism’s against foreign interference.




1. If Mueller's point is he only ever intended to conduct an evidence gathering investigation because he felt only that was permitted under the guidance, he (a) should have been up front about that because its not what the offical terms of reference seem to require, (b) not presented a redundant charging analysis, and (c) shut the f*ck up. The Mueller report is untested evidence. One of the reasons prosecutors are barred from making statements of wrong doing about uncharged parties is that by declining to charge, a prosecutor is declining to have tested either his evidence or his legal theories. So he isn't allowed to bad mouth investigation subjects in reliance on them. And preservation of evidence is explicity ruled out as grounds for doing this in the very opinion Mueller claims to be bound by. "As a series of cases makes clear, there is ordinarily ‘no legitimate governmental interest served’ by the government’s public allegation of wrongdoing by an uncharged party, and this is true ‘regardless of what criminal charges may . . . b[e] contemplated by the Assistant United States Attorney against the [third-party] for the future,'” In addition, the idea evidence would go stale before the end of even a second Trump term is risible.

2. Your second point above notes the opinion expressly tells Prosecutors it's the legislatives job to investigate a sitting president. Far from supporting what Mueller is doing, it actually undermines him. This is the heart of the issue. When the legislature investigates a president it is essentially a political process. One the one hand the legislature are unbounded by the process rules and formal requirements criminal law imposes but on the other hand they don't have the power of the executive branch at their beck and call. Which is how it should be: the executive branch of the state has to be constrained by law. What Mueller appears to have done is take his Special Prosecutor appointment (with all the associated executive powers) and then unhook it from all the limitations that are meant to apply to those powwers so that he could produce a weapon for use in the legislative process. The special counsel regulations were expressly written to stop this by making Special Prosecutors subject to DoJ rules and processes.


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Oops Donald
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Russia, Russia, Russia! That’s all you heard at the beginning of this Witch Hunt Hoax...And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected. It was a crime that didn’t exist. So now the Dems and their partner, the Fake News Media,.....


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You'd think that just by accident one would be good...but no. It's like watching someone attempt a hurdles race and not even get off the ground at each obstacle.


I’d settle for one just being correct, never mind funny.


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Russia, Russia, Russia! That’s all you heard at the beginning of this Witch Hunt Hoax...And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected. It was a crime that didn’t exist. So now the Dems and their partner, the Fake News Media,.....

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Oops Donald
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Donald J. Trump
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Russia, Russia, Russia! That’s all you heard at the beginning of this Witch Hunt Hoax...And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected. It was a crime that didn’t exist. So now the Dems and their partner, the Fake News Media,.....


:lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 1:29 pm 
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zzzz wrote:
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The million dollar question here is:

If Mueller thinks a Special Prosecutor is prohibted by Justice Dept guidance from making a prosecution recomendation against a sitting president, what the f*ck was he doing accepting this role in the first place given that is exactly what it required him to do.
That wasn’t what it necessarily required and the issue was addressed specifically.

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First, the opinion explicitly permits the investigation of a sitting President because it is important to preserve evidence while memories are fresh and documents are available. Among other things, that evidence could be used if there were co-conspirators who could now be charged.

And second, the opinion says that the Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting President of wrongdoing.
The second point is the most neglected and overlooked point when talking about the 10 identified potential acts of obstruction, particularly the potential witness tampering.

Mueller main point was “read the report you lazy bastards” and stop the handwringing and act on strengthening protectionism’s against foreign interference.
1. If Mueller's point is he only ever intended to conduct an evidence gathering investigation because he felt only that was permitted under the guidance, he (a) should have been up front about that because its not what the offical terms of reference seem to require, (b) not presented a redundant charging analysis, and (c) shut the f*ck up. The Mueller report is untested evidence. One of the reasons prosecutors are barred from making statements of wrong doing about uncharged parties is that by declining to charge, a prosecutor is declining to have tested either his evidence or his legal theories. So he isn't allowed to bad mouth investigation subjects in reliance on them. And preservation of evidence is explicity ruled out as grounds for doing this in the very opinion Mueller claims to be bound by. "As a series of cases makes clear, there is ordinarily ‘no legitimate governmental interest served’ by the government’s public allegation of wrongdoing by an uncharged party, and this is true ‘regardless of what criminal charges may . . . b[e] contemplated by the Assistant United States Attorney against the [third-party] for the future,'” In addition, the idea evidence would go stale before the end of even a second Trump term is risible.

2. Your second point above notes the opinion expressly tells Prosecutors it's the legislatives job to investigate a sitting president. Far from supporting what Mueller is doing, it actually undermines him. This is the heart of the issue. When the legislature investigates a president it is essentially a political process. One the one hand the legislature are unbounded by the process rules and formal requirements criminal law imposes but on the other hand they don't have the power of the executive branch at their beck and call. Which is how it should be: the executive branch of the state has to be constrained by law. What Mueller appears to have done is take his Special Prosecutor appointment (with all the associated executive powers) and then unhook it from all the limitations that are meant to apply to those powwers so that he could produce a weapon for use in the legislative process. The special counsel regulations were expressly written to stop this by making Special Prosecutors subject to DoJ rules and processes.
The points aren’t mine, they are extracts from Mueller’s statement yesterday but I have created some confusion when I referenced the “second point”. I meant the second part of his first paragraph, dealing with “co-conspirators who could now be charged”.

I share Barr’s view that Mueller has taken an overly restrictive view of the OLS opinion and shouldn’t have left the narrative there without at least some better developed legal analysis. Hence the reference to the failure to indict possible co-conspirators on obstruction (especially for witness tampering) if the evidence was sufficient.

I also don’t think it is a question of what he “intended” to do. His appointment and terms of reference were clear(ish) and could (and did) result in indictments for a number of people in connection with matters arising from that process. Where the investigation led to consideration of acts of the President the OLS opinion then (in his view) started to impact his options.


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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 2:54 pm 
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Trump is a baby.

They tried to hide the USS John S McCain from view during Trumps visit to Japan.

Sailers with hats with that ships name on, werent even allowed to watch his speech.

What a petty fecktard.


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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 3:39 pm 
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Trump is a baby.

They tried to hide the USS John S McCain from view during Trumps visit to Japan.

Sailers with hats with that ships name on, werent even allowed to watch his speech.

What a petty fecktard.


Shit way to treat the memory of a war hero, Corporal Bonespurs ya cnut.


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Three war heroes, including two Admirals.


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It is in the Deep State's interest to carry on with whatever side issues to distract the American public's gaze from what is really going on. Trump, no-Trump, it does not fukken matter one jot. America continues to bully countries, businesses, private individuals... whoever in the name of "national security".
The military junta in the Pentagon are closer and closer to complete control.
I hope Assange gets his day in court and his council explains to the American people how your government tramples on your constitution.


It's a bold strategy to start a post by referring to the Deep State, but your larger point - that actual important matters on the World stage should really be the priority is about right.
Unfortunately, the Administration and the policy of being dicks to other countries/ businesses/ individuals are inextricably linked. Just ask the countries: Venezuela, Yemen, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Cuba. Canada, Germany, Honduras, Guatemala, Mexico, China, Montenegro etc...
Just ask the businesses: Amazon, the NYT, Ford, Harley Davidson etc...
Just ask the private individuals: James Comey, Jeff Bezos, Soy Farmers, every woman ever etc...

Taking issue with Trump isn't merely because he is wearing a tan suit or is a secret muslim, there are very real world ramifications of his venal, corrupt, self-serving words and actions that should never be quietly accepted, even when there are a thousand other things that he does that also require the same attention.


Are you sure that's what he's saying?

I was under the impression he was laying it all at the door of the Illuminati.


Oh he was blaming the Illuminati for sure. I was just pointing out the La Cosa NosTrump were doing far more nefarious deeds against countries, businesses and individuals than any secret elite cabal.


First point, I don't believe in the illuminati, that's for conspiracy theorists.
I do believe in vested interests, big business and the leverage they exercise on governments worldwide. "Deep state" is just my blanket term for all of those entities.
But carry on, you people like to dumb it down to binary analogies, because it fits your simpleton narratives.
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First point, I don't believe in the illuminati, that's for conspiracy theorists.

It's a thing, boet. Just ask Al Roper :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_vXDfCNONA


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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 5:28 pm 
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Glaston wrote:
Trump is a baby.

They tried to hide the USS John S McCain from view during Trumps visit to Japan.

Sailers with hats with that ships name on, werent even allowed to watch his speech.

What a petty fecktard.



Except... he didn't

https://nypost.com/2019/05/30/acting-defense-secretary-denies-he-hid-uss-mccain-during-trump-visit/


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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 6:22 pm 
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DragonKhan wrote:
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Trump is a baby.

They tried to hide the USS John S McCain from view during Trumps visit to Japan.

Sailers with hats with that ships name on, werent even allowed to watch his speech.

What a petty fecktard.



Except... he didn't

https://nypost.com/2019/05/30/acting-defense-secretary-denies-he-hid-uss-mccain-during-trump-visit/

He didn’t because he, the orange shitgibbon, said he didn’t??? Right. Gotcha. Because he’s never been loose with the truth...


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Gotta say, I believe trumpo.

That’s the thing with flip flopping, he’s telling the truth at least 50% of the time. Then he’s denying it. Then he’s telling it. Then he’s denying it...


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Bokkom wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Turbogoat wrote:
Bokkom wrote:
It is in the Deep State's interest to carry on with whatever side issues to distract the American public's gaze from what is really going on. Trump, no-Trump, it does not fukken matter one jot. America continues to bully countries, businesses, private individuals... whoever in the name of "national security".
The military junta in the Pentagon are closer and closer to complete control.
I hope Assange gets his day in court and his council explains to the American people how your government tramples on your constitution.


It's a bold strategy to start a post by referring to the Deep State, but your larger point - that actual important matters on the World stage should really be the priority is about right.
Unfortunately, the Administration and the policy of being dicks to other countries/ businesses/ individuals are inextricably linked. Just ask the countries: Venezuela, Yemen, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Cuba. Canada, Germany, Honduras, Guatemala, Mexico, China, Montenegro etc...
Just ask the businesses: Amazon, the NYT, Ford, Harley Davidson etc...
Just ask the private individuals: James Comey, Jeff Bezos, Soy Farmers, every woman ever etc...

Taking issue with Trump isn't merely because he is wearing a tan suit or is a secret muslim, there are very real world ramifications of his venal, corrupt, self-serving words and actions that should never be quietly accepted, even when there are a thousand other things that he does that also require the same attention.


Are you sure that's what he's saying?

I was under the impression he was laying it all at the door of the Illuminati.


Oh he was blaming the Illuminati for sure. I was just pointing out the La Cosa NosTrump were doing far more nefarious deeds against countries, businesses and individuals than any secret elite cabal.


First point, I don't believe in the illuminati, that's for conspiracy theorists.
I do believe in vested interests, big business and the leverage they exercise on governments worldwide. "Deep state" is just my blanket term for all of those entities.
But carry on, you people like to dumb it down to binary analogies, because it fits your simpleton narratives.
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Deep State/ Illuminati, Potayto/Potahto. Call it what you want.
I was really just giving you a fair few examples of where Trump has attacked the entities you were so concerned about defending, be they countries, businesses or private individuals. Your concern for them would be extremely shallow if you only fret about them being attacked from one direction, but chose to ignore the attacks from the "most powerful man on Earth", the "Leader of the Free World", the "Very Stable Genius who knows more about Business, Military and Marketing than anyone".


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Gotta say, I believe trumpo.

That’s the thing with flip flopping, he’s telling the truth at least 50% of the time. Then he’s denying it. Then he’s telling it. Then he’s denying it...


That's the tragedy about building an entire Presidency on scurrilous lies. Now, when he may possibly have an accusation that he may be able to defend himself from simply by telling the truth, he has no credibility left to give his claims any believability.


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Russia, Russia, Russia! That’s all you heard at the beginning of this Witch Hunt Hoax...And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected. It was a crime that didn’t exist. So now the Dems and their partner, the Fake News Media,.....



:lol: :lol: :lol:
He actually wrote that? Dear God... his mental deterioration is going faster than anyone realized.


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"... warships in the harbor were invited to send 60 to 70 sailors to hear Mr. Trump’s address, with the exception of the McCain. When several sailors from the McCain showed up anyway, wearing their uniforms with the ship’s insignia, they were turned away."


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Here is some fresh ironing... :lol:

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Will you be there Houts?


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You f**king child.


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Glaston wrote:
Trump is a baby.

They tried to hide the USS John S McCain from view during Trumps visit to Japan.

Sailers with hats with that ships name on, werent even allowed to watch his speech.

What a petty fecktard.

Navy patriots stepping up to destroy the propaganda


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The likelihood that the ship is named after the senator and not his father or grandfather would be quite low


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A couple of points -

If it were hidden from Trump it was probably done without his knowledge. The whole point being that he's a manbaby who needs to be treated like a toddler and shielded from distractions. It's entirely likely that it didn't actually happen the way it's been portrayed, but I don't doubt that someone may have considered the possibility.

And if it were considered and/or happened, the fact that it's not named after the Senator is wholly irrelevant - you think Trump would make that distinction or that the WH would trust him to? Of course not.


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The likelihood that the ship is named after the senator and not his father or grandfather would be quite low


And the likelihood that Trump would recognize the difference would be even lower.
At best, this is a mountain-out-of-a-molehill, and likely some overzealous type attempting to stage manage the shit out of the Presidential visit and maybe, possibly keeping some sailors with John McCain hats out of sight.
It'd be a worry that this could even cross the mind of someone in this role, that Trump's sensibilities are so delicate that this might be an issue, but we're at the stage now that he could be so easily triggered by something like this that the micro-management that goes into any of his public appearances would have to overthink any possible issue like this.

but yeah, it doesn't seem to have gone down as the initial reports claimed... if we can believe subsequent reports of course ;)


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Bear in mind, the orange shitgibbon himself said he didn’t ask for it but believed whoever did was doing it in good faith

And in a shock to no-one, accept crappy meme posters ....
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/05/for-the-record-heres-the-email-telling-the-navy-to-hide-the-uss-john-mccain/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app


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Bear in mind, the orange shitgibbon himself said he didn’t ask for it but believed whoever did was doing it in good faith

And in a shock to no-one, accept crappy meme posters ....
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/05/for-the-record-heres-the-email-telling-the-navy-to-hide-the-uss-john-mccain/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app



From reading that his staff made that decision. How much of a fcuking kid is Trump that his team have to worry about shit that could make him throw a tantrum?


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Just in case the story has a kernel of truth in it, may I suggest renaming Buckingham palace and Westminster cathedral the John McCain palace/cathedral, just to fûck the cúnt off for his visit here?


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Just in case the story has a kernel of truth in it, may I suggest renaming Buckingham palace and Westminster cathedral the John McCain palace/cathedral, just to fûck the cúnt off for his visit here?


Whichever airport he is to land at should be renamed "John McCain III Airport".


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Just in case the story has a kernel of truth in it, may I suggest renaming Buckingham palace and Westminster cathedral the John McCain palace/cathedral, just to fûck the cúnt off for his visit here?


Whichever airport he is to land at should be renamed "John McCain III Airport".

Rename all of them except leeds/Bradford. That'll teach him


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I think the McCain story has been confirmed by WH officials but it wasn't Trump.


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First point, I don't believe in the illuminati, that's for conspiracy theorists.
I do believe in vested interests, big business and the leverage they exercise on governments worldwide. "Deep state" is just my blanket term for all of those entities.
But carry on, you people like to dumb it down to binary analogies, because it fits your simpleton narratives.
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10 minutes watching Hannity and now I understand you a bit more.


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Kiwias wrote:
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First point, I don't believe in the illuminati, that's for conspiracy theorists.
I do believe in vested interests, big business and the leverage they exercise on governments worldwide. "Deep state" is just my blanket term for all of those entities.
But carry on, you people like to dumb it down to binary analogies, because it fits your simpleton narratives.
:thumbup:


10 minutes watching Hannity and now I understand you a bit more.

Red pilled? :shock:


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TOTAL EXONERATION!

But also like this guy can't be trsuted coz otherwise my shitposting on twitter about the investigation is BS, the Russia story is real and he didn't find anything wrong with how the investigation started.

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1134239846627729408


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Bokkom is left wing from what I have read, Kiwias. That 10 minutes of Hannity you watched is probably more than he has.


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Bokkom is left wing from what I have read, Kiwias. That 10 minutes of Hannity you watched is probably more than he has.


His pratting on about the deep state mus tbe his cover


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Kiwias wrote:
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Bokkom is left wing from what I have read, Kiwias. That 10 minutes of Hannity you watched is probably more than he has.


His pratting on about the deep state mus tbe his cover

life is so binary for simpletons like you.


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Bokkom is left wing from what I have read, Kiwias. That 10 minutes of Hannity you watched is probably more than he has.


His pratting on about the deep state mus tbe his cover

life is so binary for simpletons like you.


crawl back into your hole, weasel-fucker


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Kiwias wrote:
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Bokkom is left wing from what I have read, Kiwias. That 10 minutes of Hannity you watched is probably more than he has.


His pratting on about the deep state mus tbe his cover

life is so binary for simpletons like you.

crawl back into your hole, weasel-fucker

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