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Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:11 pm
by ticketlessinseattle
Masterji wrote:
saffer13 wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Lemoentjie wrote:
saffer13 wrote:You lot are losing it. I'm flattered that you're all so concerned that I've taken up about half your posts on the last two pages :lol:
There is some genuine derangement here. Why are saffers here so obsessed with US politics? :lol:
The odd thing is that Trump is quite popular among the white population here.

I'm not sure if it's blind hatred of Obama, sympathy with white supremacists, a childlike desire to defer to an authority figure as an ingrained product of a laager mentality or a combination of the three.

Perhaps Trump reminds them of John Vorster.

In any case, we are all affected by Trump's misrule and I don't think it's feasible to ask us to ignore it.
How would you categorize black folk that are pro-Trump or Republican? Just curious because you have the answers to it all.
Dave Chappelle and Clayton Bigsby come to mind.
:thumbup: :lol:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:15 pm
by ticketlessinseattle
Seneca of the Night wrote:Just watching this extremely impressive interview with Trump and Maria bartiromo. Watch and learn. https://youtu.be/0YFIG9D8JO8
wow, that is impressive, complete sentences and everything ; not exactly Andrew Neill in terms of questions about the biggest and best deficit ever but you know, baby steps

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:22 pm
by Flockwitt
Curious scientific fact, fecal matter does flow uphill.

https://us.yahoo.com/news/dc-sues-trump ... 59188.html

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:02 pm
by TheFrog
Seneca of the Night wrote:Tucker on the Biden crime family and why he is being pushed forward by the Democrats. Watch before it's removed: https://youtu.be/m80ccCNX1Zk
Where I have an issue with Tucker, is when he pretends to believe that Trump isn't of the same mold as these crooks. Of course, he is not as sophisticated and well organised as they are, he is basically a street thug who managed to make it to the top by a conjunction of lucky opportunities, but he is a thug nonetheless. Supporting a thug because he doesn't belong to the criminal in ties organisations isn't really the way you can improve your country and your democracy.

So Tucker is just basically a big hypocrite who is no true to the beliefs he pretends to hold.


As for the Biden saga, why would Trump need to blackmail Ukraine to obtain an investigation? Why would there be no case open in the USA first, for conflict of interest and corruption, which would then seek Ukrainian inputs into the inquiry?

Beside, from the transcript (and we don't know more because Trump has desperately blocked any release of information), it seems that Trump is not seeking an inquiry into Biden's son, but just seeking a public announcement.

And if everything that Trump did made perfect sense, why hiding all information away from the Congress? Why hiring mafia thugs in Giuliani and his gang to handle Ukraine?

Enough bullshit from the Trump's ccok suckers. If they want to investigate Biden, so be it. Please go for it and give us some dirt. That would do the country good. But stop protecting a man who is unfit for the job, unpredictable and dangerous on the long term.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:12 pm
by TheFrog
Flockwitt wrote:Curious scientific fact, fecal matter does flow uphill.

https://us.yahoo.com/news/dc-sues-trump ... 59188.html

Fighting corruption with corruption.

Medicine, ultimately is about using the evil to fight the evil.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:25 pm
by TheFrog
Seneca of the Night wrote:Just watching this extremely impressive interview with Trump and Maria bartiromo. Watch and learn. https://youtu.be/0YFIG9D8JO8
The broad spectrum of vocabulary used just shows the bright intellectual power behind this determined face...

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:57 pm
by Rinkals
saffer13 wrote:
Rinkals wrote:
Lemoentjie wrote:
saffer13 wrote:You lot are losing it. I'm flattered that you're all so concerned that I've taken up about half your posts on the last two pages :lol:
There is some genuine derangement here. Why are saffers here so obsessed with US politics? :lol:
The odd thing is that Trump is quite popular among the white population here.

I'm not sure if it's blind hatred of Obama, sympathy with white supremacists, a childlike desire to defer to an authority figure as an ingrained product of a laager mentality or a combination of the three.

Perhaps Trump reminds them of John Vorster.

In any case, we are all affected by Trump's misrule and I don't think it's feasible to ask us to ignore it.
How would you categorize black folk that are pro-Trump or Republican? Just curious because you have the answers to it all.
I don't know if they have a blind hatred of Obama, but I'd be surprised if they had white supremacy sympathies or were the product of Apartheid-era laager mentality, or carried any admiration for John Vorster.

I'm sure this should be pretty obvious and I can't really see the relevance.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:31 pm
by Flyin Ryan
I knew a couple blacks in N.C. that would openly state they were Republican. This was all pre-Trump and I forget exactly when it was but might've been pre-Obama.

Best seen in the vine of "reformers trying to push against the mountain". The black community has effectively been one-party rule for coming up on 90 years. Don't look at the national stage but instead think of the local and regional stage - any area in the world that has one-party rule for 80 years is going to have a fair bit of corruption in it. Black Democrats that make these kinds of decisions also know if they vote as a unit especially in majority-minority drawn districts, they'll never lose, so they take actions to have the caucus decide who the one candidate is before you have the real vote on it. (For an example of a splintered black primary and how it reduced black power, see the election where Steven Cohen was elected the representative from Memphis.)

I see it in my city. The one black district in the city has not had a real contested election since the '70s at least. 2 councilmen died, were replaced in a party caucus consisting of a couple dozen people. Never received serious primary opposition or anything in the general, because blacks don't vote Republican. This past year, the longtime councilman said he was retiring, a local black elected politician ran for the seat, and then said longtime councilman announced he was not retiring and running for the city council at-large seats. It was quite the shrewd political maneuver, albeit one designed to remove competition and choice from the voter. In a 3-way primary, that local politician got 90% of the vote and was then unopposed in the general.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:49 am
by Fat Old Git
Mr "grab them by the pussy " calling others sleazy. :lol:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:30 am
by Saint
Seneca of the Night wrote:It's stories like this that make for chilling reading, and makes one reflect on the lived experience of being a trump supporter in a hostile world. I shudder when I realise this could have been me. If I lived in Florida. And Rinkals was my farmboy:
A Florida construction worker has been arrested on suspicion of killing his childhood friend and boss - a Trump supporter, during an argument which may have erupted over politics, according to Orange County Sheriff's Detective Fabian Ramirez.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/flo ... -affidavit

Have you read that? He's not anti-Trump, he's anti-Government.

Got fudge all to do with being a Trump supporter in an evil world where those commit deep state dems are out to get you

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:33 am
by BokJock
Seneca of the Night wrote:It's stories like this that make for chilling reading, and makes one reflect on the lived experience of being a trump supporter in a hostile world. I shudder when I realise this could have been me. If I lived in Florida. And Rinkals was my farmboy:
A Florida construction worker has been arrested on suspicion of killing his childhood friend and boss - a Trump supporter, during an argument which may have erupted over politics, according to Orange County Sheriff's Detective Fabian Ramirez.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/flo ... -affidavit
That is a shit post, really poor from you.

Did you mean to log in as Backwoodsman or Merry?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:36 am
by Rinkals
Saint wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:It's stories like this that make for chilling reading, and makes one reflect on the lived experience of being a trump supporter in a hostile world. I shudder when I realise this could have been me. If I lived in Florida. And Rinkals was my farmboy:
A Florida construction worker has been arrested on suspicion of killing his childhood friend and boss - a Trump supporter, during an argument which may have erupted over politics, according to Orange County Sheriff's Detective Fabian Ramirez.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/flo ... -affidavit

Have you read that? He's not anti-Trump, he's anti-Government.

Got fudge all to do with being a Trump supporter in an evil world where those commit deep state dems are out to get you
Seneca will draw his custom conclusion, whatever the facts.

I'm not quite sure why he has drawn me into this nor why he would call me his farm "boy", a term which has racial connotations: I'm almost inclined to go running, squealing to the Mods.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:47 am
by 6.Jones
Seneca of the Night wrote:It's stories like this that make for chilling reading, and makes one reflect on the lived experience of being a trump supporter in a hostile world. I shudder when I realise this could have been me. If I lived in Florida. And Rinkals was my farmboy:
A Florida construction worker has been arrested on suspicion of killing his childhood friend and boss - a Trump supporter, during an argument which may have erupted over politics, according to Orange County Sheriff's Detective Fabian Ramirez.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/flo ... -affidavit
I always thought you did live in Florida, and Rinkals was a farmboy. I've seen South African forwards so I know what farmboys look like.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:54 am
by Wilson's Toffee
EverReady wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:It's stories like this that make for chilling reading, and makes one reflect on the lived experience of being a trump supporter in a hostile world. I shudder when I realise this could have been me. If I lived in Florida. And Rinkals was my farmboy:
A Florida construction worker has been arrested on suspicion of killing his childhood friend and boss - a Trump supporter, during an argument which may have erupted over politics, according to Orange County Sheriff's Detective Fabian Ramirez.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/flo ... -affidavit
You and I both know that when it comes to the crunch the guys who will do the killing are liberals. Conservatives at their very core are scared and that is why 83% of medal of honour winners support the Democrats since the 1960's. You can find the evidence for that on Liberal treehouse.com and zerobush
So, killers are heroes.

Neo-Liberal thought - jumbled and confused, like vomit.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:26 am
by ticketlessinseattle
EverReady wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:It's stories like this that make for chilling reading, and makes one reflect on the lived experience of being a trump supporter in a hostile world. I shudder when I realise this could have been me. If I lived in Florida. And Rinkals was my farmboy:
A Florida construction worker has been arrested on suspicion of killing his childhood friend and boss - a Trump supporter, during an argument which may have erupted over politics, according to Orange County Sheriff's Detective Fabian Ramirez.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/flo ... -affidavit
You and I both know that when it comes to the crunch the guys who will do the killing are liberals. Conservatives at their very core are scared and that is why 83% of medal of honour winners support the Democrats since the 1960's. You can find the evidence for that on Liberal treehouse.com and zerobush
Liberals have so many medals of honour they just throw them away.....as geniusly exposed by swiftboat veterans for Bush ; remember John Kerry had so many medals (7) form Vietnam that he threw some away..... ; now Bush spent the Vietnam war coked off his tits blowing through dads cash (see a pattern here ?) but managed to convince "conservatives" that he was the tough Patriot needed to protect the US against Saddam and another 9/11, his WMD's or whatever the latest version was at the time./

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:56 am
by 6.Jones
ticketlessinseattle wrote:
EverReady wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:It's stories like this that make for chilling reading, and makes one reflect on the lived experience of being a trump supporter in a hostile world. I shudder when I realise this could have been me. If I lived in Florida. And Rinkals was my farmboy:
A Florida construction worker has been arrested on suspicion of killing his childhood friend and boss - a Trump supporter, during an argument which may have erupted over politics, according to Orange County Sheriff's Detective Fabian Ramirez.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/flo ... -affidavit
You and I both know that when it comes to the crunch the guys who will do the killing are liberals. Conservatives at their very core are scared and that is why 83% of medal of honour winners support the Democrats since the 1960's. You can find the evidence for that on Liberal treehouse.com and zerobush
Liberals have so many medals of honour they just throw them away.....as geniusly exposed by swiftboat veterans for Bush ; remember John Kerry had so many medals (7) form Vietnam that he threw some away..... ; now Bush spent the Vietnam war coked off his tits blowing through dads cash (see a pattern here ?) but managed to convince "conservatives" that he was the tough Patriot needed to protect the US against Saddam and another 9/11, his WMD's or whatever the latest version was at the time./
One thing the ruling class knows from antiquity is you don't want the soldiers to get involved in running the show.

Case in point: Gladiator, where Gluteus Maximus was played by a Kiwi. My Googling indicates there were no New Zealanders in Germania. Oops - wrong thread. ;-)

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:30 pm
by 6.Jones
Seneca of the Night wrote:EDIT: long and short: to argue Margot Robbie and Russell Crowe shouldn't be playing 'European' roles as they are from the direction of the South Pacific is THE DUMBEST SHIT I HAVE EVER HEARD.
I agree. I was doing my best to get annoyed and failed miserably.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:52 pm
by Rinkals
6.Jones wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:EDIT: long and short: to argue Margot Robbie and Russell Crowe shouldn't be playing 'European' roles as they are from the direction of the South Pacific is THE DUMBEST SHIT I HAVE EVER HEARD.
I agree. I was doing my best to get annoyed and failed miserably.
You probably need to take a few pointers from Seneca.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:56 pm
by Laurent
Rinkals wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:EDIT: long and short: to argue Margot Robbie and Russell Crowe shouldn't be playing 'European' roles as they are from the direction of the South Pacific is THE DUMBEST SHIT I HAVE EVER HEARD.
I agree. I was doing my best to get annoyed and failed miserably.
You probably need to take a few pointers from Seneca.
maybe he is colour blind unlike Sneakers

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:36 pm
by merry!
now, now, girls..

president trump is actually on 'trial', and all you can come up with is this shite...?

:lol:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:38 pm
by Flyin Ryan
EverReady wrote:You and I both know that when it comes to the crunch the guys who will do the killing are liberals.
Let's see. I've personally known people at 3 different military bases. Based on experience, this is not true. Not to say there aren't people that are liberals that are veterans, but while they're serving, the majority of them are not. And most minorities are not actually liberals as far as political philosophy, they just vote for the Democrats.
6.Jones wrote:One thing the ruling class knows from antiquity is you don't want the soldiers to get involved in running the show.
George Washington
Andrew Jackson
William Henry Harrison (served a month before dying so can't really judge him)
Zachary Taylor
Ulysses Grant
Dwight Eisenhower

2 out of 5 for good presidents ain't bad. And Jackson had his good points, albeit he didn't give a shit about who he pissed off.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:45 pm
by 6.Jones
Flyin Ryan wrote:
EverReady wrote:You and I both know that when it comes to the crunch the guys who will do the killing are liberals.
Let's see. I've personally known people at 3 different military bases. Based on experience, this is not true. Not to say there aren't people that are liberals that are veterans, but while they're serving, the majority of them are not. And most minorities are not actually liberals as far as political philosophy, they just vote for the Democrats.
6.Jones wrote:One thing the ruling class knows from antiquity is you don't want the soldiers to get involved in running the show.
George Washington
Andrew Jackson
William Henry Harrison (served a month before dying so can't really judge him)
Zachary Taylor
Ulysses Grant
Dwight Eisenhower

2 out of 5 for good presidents ain't bad. And Jackson had his good points, albeit he didn't give a shit about who he pissed off.
:thumbup: I personally *do* like soldiers as leaders. The reason elites don't like them is they tend to play for the team, not the sponsors.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:49 pm
by merry!
Flyin Ryan wrote:
EverReady wrote:You and I both know that when it comes to the crunch the guys who will do the killing are liberals.
Let's see. I've personally known people at 3 different military bases. Based on experience, this is not true. Not to say there aren't people that are liberals that are veterans, but while they're serving, the majority of them are not. And most minorities are not actually liberals as far as political philosophy, they just vote for the Democrats.
6.Jones wrote:One thing the ruling class knows from antiquity is you don't want the soldiers to get involved in running the show.
George Washington
Andrew Jackson
William Henry Harrison (served a month before dying so can't really judge him)
Zachary Taylor
Ulysses Grant
Dwight Eisenhower

2 out of 5 for good presidents ain't bad. And Jackson had his good points, albeit he didn't give a shit about who he pissed off.
much like trump. and no doubt part of why there's a picture of jackson in the oval office during this administration.

have to say though, trump does seem to piss off all the right people.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:08 pm
by piquant
merry! wrote:now, now, girls..

president trump is actually on 'trial', and all you can come up with is this shite...?

:lol:
A trial where the defendant has declined the use of evidence and witnesses, so not really a trial. And your use of girls as a pejorative is telling

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:10 pm
by saffer13
sorCrer wrote:
saffer13 wrote:
BokJock wrote:
piquant wrote:
Wilson's Toffee wrote:If the Dems had their way, they would have bombed the White House on a daily basis umtill The Don quit.

Guess they wish...
I'm going out on a limb to suggest the Dems didn't and don't want to carry out terrorist attacks of any size or frequency against the USA
Not true - I saw a photo of Chuck and Nancy in full on Muslim gear, they were posing in front of the Iranian flag and everything
Well the left (and sorC) and equate the Iranian terrorist to Lady Diana cult status....in fact, the guy saved puppies and kittens from burning building in his spare time.
Interesting, you will of course back up that assertion. Iranian military general. I'm pro-abortion and pro death sentence.
You say Iranium Military General...I say, terrorist. Of course, both would be accurate ;)

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:15 pm
by merry!
piquant wrote:
merry! wrote:now, now, girls..

president trump is actually on 'trial', and all you can come up with is this shite...?

:lol:
A trial where the defendant has declined the use of evidence and witnesses, so not really a trial. And your use of girls as a pejorative is telling
:lol:

am i supposed to be worried about that or something?

the squealing and bitchiness here reminds me of teenage girls. if you don't mind coming across as such, that's fine by me.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:16 pm
by penguin
saffer13 wrote: You say Iranium Military General...I say, terrorist. Of course, both would be accurate ;)
Iranium being a knock off brand uranium? Now it makes sense why they had to take him out...he was a weapon of mass destruction himself.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:19 pm
by Backwoodsman1
You can mark today down as the day the Biden Presidential bid went tits up.
In a strange quirk of fate, the Whitehouse guest logs show that the official who signed the Ukranians in, was one Eric Ciaramello , what a coincidence !

''
Joe Zollo
@jaazee1
BREAKING
Laura Ingraham investigation: Emails expose what Obama admin knew about Bidens and Burisma!''

https://video.foxnews.com/v/61257368690 ... show-clips

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:19 pm
by 6.Jones
merry! wrote:
piquant wrote:
merry! wrote:now, now, girls..

president trump is actually on 'trial', and all you can come up with is this shite...?

:lol:
A trial where the defendant has declined the use of evidence and witnesses, so not really a trial. And your use of girls as a pejorative is telling
:lol:

am i supposed to be worried about that or something?

the squealing and bitchiness here reminds me of teenage girls. if you don't mind coming across as such, that's fine by me.
Merry!, mate - that sounds a wee bit squealy.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:22 pm
by merry!
6.Jones wrote:
merry! wrote:
piquant wrote:
merry! wrote:now, now, girls..

president trump is actually on 'trial', and all you can come up with is this shite...?

:lol:
A trial where the defendant has declined the use of evidence and witnesses, so not really a trial. And your use of girls as a pejorative is telling
:lol:

am i supposed to be worried about that or something?

the squealing and bitchiness here reminds me of teenage girls. if you don't mind coming across as such, that's fine by me.
Merry!, mate - that sounds a wee bit squealy.
:roll:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:23 pm
by piquant
6.Jones wrote:
merry! wrote:
piquant wrote:
merry! wrote:now, now, girls..

president trump is actually on 'trial', and all you can come up with is this shite...?

:lol:
A trial where the defendant has declined the use of evidence and witnesses, so not really a trial. And your use of girls as a pejorative is telling
:lol:

am i supposed to be worried about that or something?

the squealing and bitchiness here reminds me of teenage girls. if you don't mind coming across as such, that's fine by me.
Merry!, mate - that sounds a wee bit squealy.
I wasn't sure if that was the joke

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:24 pm
by Saint
merry! wrote:
Flyin Ryan wrote:
EverReady wrote:You and I both know that when it comes to the crunch the guys who will do the killing are liberals.
Let's see. I've personally known people at 3 different military bases. Based on experience, this is not true. Not to say there aren't people that are liberals that are veterans, but while they're serving, the majority of them are not. And most minorities are not actually liberals as far as political philosophy, they just vote for the Democrats.
6.Jones wrote:One thing the ruling class knows from antiquity is you don't want the soldiers to get involved in running the show.
George Washington
Andrew Jackson
William Henry Harrison (served a month before dying so can't really judge him)
Zachary Taylor
Ulysses Grant
Dwight Eisenhower

2 out of 5 for good presidents ain't bad. And Jackson had his good points, albeit he didn't give a shit about who he pissed off.
much like trump. and no doubt part of why there's a picture of jackson in the oval office during this administration.

have to say though, trump does seem to piss off all the right people.
I would have thought the comparison to how Jackson treated native americans would be more of the symbolism he was going for

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:26 pm
by merry!
Saint wrote:
merry! wrote:
Flyin Ryan wrote:
EverReady wrote:You and I both know that when it comes to the crunch the guys who will do the killing are liberals.
Let's see. I've personally known people at 3 different military bases. Based on experience, this is not true. Not to say there aren't people that are liberals that are veterans, but while they're serving, the majority of them are not. And most minorities are not actually liberals as far as political philosophy, they just vote for the Democrats.
6.Jones wrote:One thing the ruling class knows from antiquity is you don't want the soldiers to get involved in running the show.
George Washington
Andrew Jackson
William Henry Harrison (served a month before dying so can't really judge him)
Zachary Taylor
Ulysses Grant
Dwight Eisenhower

2 out of 5 for good presidents ain't bad. And Jackson had his good points, albeit he didn't give a shit about who he pissed off.
much like trump. and no doubt part of why there's a picture of jackson in the oval office during this administration.

have to say though, trump does seem to piss off all the right people.
I would have thought the comparison to how Jackson treated native americans would be more of the symbolism he was going for
Jackson's war with the central bankers is the most likely reason, though i'm sure trump also admires his general style.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:32 pm
by 6.Jones
penguin wrote:
saffer13 wrote: You say Iranium Military General...I say, terrorist. Of course, both would be accurate ;)
Iranium being a knock off brand uranium? Now it makes sense why they had to take him out...he was a weapon of mass destruction himself.
Iranium is to Iran as Plutonium is to Pluto.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:34 pm
by 6.Jones
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Saint wrote:
I would have thought the comparison to how Jackson treated native americans would be more of the symbolism he was going for
Why? Trump likes the Indians. Real ones at least.
Narendra Modi?

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:41 pm
by saffer13
6.Jones wrote:
penguin wrote:
saffer13 wrote: You say Iranium Military General...I say, terrorist. Of course, both would be accurate ;)
Iranium being a knock off brand uranium? Now it makes sense why they had to take him out...he was a weapon of mass destruction himself.
Iranium is to Iran as Plutonium is to Pluto.
:lol: dicks.

But yes, the murderous prick very well could be classified as a WMD.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:43 pm
by Flyin Ryan
Saint wrote:
merry! wrote:
Flyin Ryan wrote:
EverReady wrote:You and I both know that when it comes to the crunch the guys who will do the killing are liberals.
Let's see. I've personally known people at 3 different military bases. Based on experience, this is not true. Not to say there aren't people that are liberals that are veterans, but while they're serving, the majority of them are not. And most minorities are not actually liberals as far as political philosophy, they just vote for the Democrats.
6.Jones wrote:One thing the ruling class knows from antiquity is you don't want the soldiers to get involved in running the show.
George Washington
Andrew Jackson
William Henry Harrison (served a month before dying so can't really judge him)
Zachary Taylor
Ulysses Grant
Dwight Eisenhower

2 out of 5 for good presidents ain't bad. And Jackson had his good points, albeit he didn't give a shit about who he pissed off.
much like trump. and no doubt part of why there's a picture of jackson in the oval office during this administration.

have to say though, trump does seem to piss off all the right people.
I would have thought the comparison to how Jackson treated native americans would be more of the symbolism he was going for
Jackson was in his and his supporters' opinions robbed of the election in 1824. The era of U.S. politics preceding 1824 was called "The Era of Good Feelings", or there was only one political party. The Federalists which had formed around circa 1800 had effectively died as they had no presence in the southern or western frontier which is where all the population growth was occurring. James Monroe was president at this time and the person nominated for president was considered by a party elite caucus. The caucus nominated William Crawford in 1824. Also running was John Quincy Adams (son of the 2nd president John Adams, from the northeast), Henry Clay (Speaker of the House, power player in Congress), and Andrew Jackson. Jackson was a war hero from the Battle of New Orleans during the War of 1812. The fact this was a 4-way completed destroyed the party caucus method of selecting a president.

Election gets held, and all 4 candidates win states to where no one won a majority in the Electoral College. This meant, for the only time in the nation's history so far, the House of Representatives would meet and select the president from the top 3 electoral vote getters. Jackson received the plurality, followed by Adams and Crawford. Clay finished 4th and was not available for selection from a body where he had a ton of influence. Crawford suffered medical problems which put him out of serious selection. So it was between Adams and Jackson. Clay absolutely hated Jackson, leading to one of his 2 most famous political statements, "I don't see how killing 2000 Englishmen in New Orleans qualifies a man for the presidency". He threw his support behind Adams, who was elected by the House, and Clay became Secretary of State. Jackson and his supporters were furious, calling it "The Corrupt Bargain". This led to the creation of the next two-party system in the country's history, and Jackson and his supporters 4 years later ran against Adams and won. The political elites in Washington were nonplussed about it all, saying the country had been taken over by the dogs.

There's the bit about the Native Americans. Supreme Court made a ruling against Jackson, which led to Jackson saying "[Supreme Court Justice] John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it." Jackson was on the side of the Union in the then-growing chasm developing between the North and South and was furious when his one-time vice president James Calhoun - a supporter of Southern interests - backstabbed him on administration issues. Jackson hated the Bank of the United States that Clay and his supporters (now calling themselves Whigs after the Whig Party in Britain that was the archnemesis of the Tories during the American Revolution) strongly believed in as part of their "American System", and led to a banking crisis in the country as Jackson refused funds to the BUS leading the head of the BUS Nicholas Biddle to go out and collect all the loans he loaned to banks around the country, which they couldn't pay back. Clay ran against Jackson in 1832 using some of Jackson's decisions against him, but Clay misread the population at-large because the population largely agreed with what Jackson was doing, which led to Clay's most famous political statement: "I'd rather be right than be president."

You can see the parallels in Jackson and Trump, it's just Jackson operated in a time of less rules, a less interconnected world, and the President of the United States was not one of the most powerful people in the world then.

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:44 pm
by merry!
Seneca of the Night wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
Seneca of the Night wrote:
Saint wrote:
I would have thought the comparison to how Jackson treated native americans would be more of the symbolism he was going for
Why? Trump likes the Indians. Real ones at least.
Narendra Modi?
Navajo Modi they call him.
:lol:

incidentally, have you noticed how the narrative/mob is pivoting from the 'trump is a stain on our democracy' position to one where they're now saying the whole system/everyone is corrupt?

the medicine is clearly working..

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:45 pm
by BokJock
Backwoodsman1 wrote:You can mark today down as the day the Biden Presidential bid went tits up.
In a strange quirk of fate, the Whitehouse guest logs show that the official who signed the Ukranians in, was one Eric Ciaramello , what a coincidence !

''
Joe Zollo
@jaazee1
BREAKING
Laura Ingraham investigation: Emails expose what Obama admin knew about Bidens and Burisma!''

https://video.foxnews.com/v/61257368690 ... show-clips
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: POTUS-DONALD TRUMP-and U.S. Politics catch-all

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:50 pm
by sorCrer
saffer13 wrote:
6.Jones wrote:
penguin wrote:
saffer13 wrote: You say Iranium Military General...I say, terrorist. Of course, both would be accurate ;)
Iranium being a knock off brand uranium? Now it makes sense why they had to take him out...he was a weapon of mass destruction himself.
Iranium is to Iran as Plutonium is to Pluto.
:lol: dicks.

But yes, the murderous prick very well could be classified as a WMD.
Yeah. :thumbup: Murderous pricks are a dime a dozen. Well if they from the East. Murderous pricks from the West are normally serial killers or school shooters.