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Dork Lard wrote: mmm hmmm, yeee-uhh mayn.
What happened to that pint-sized hooker that was being talked up? Chat?
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plum-pudding wrote:The only question in the Sarries lineup, is whether they bring George back into the starting XV, one game back after the bicep injury. Brits has been going well, but against a big Racing pack, it may be worth the risk to bring the much bigger George straight back in.. should shore up the scrum and give a bit more weight in the tight.
Other than that, the team pretty much picks itself these days.
Watching Leicester with Thacker at hooker push around the Racing scrum would have made that call a bit easier. They may be big, but the technique isn't there. They are carriers rather than scrummagers, and Brits should go fine.
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plum-pudding wrote:
Dork Lard wrote: mmm hmmm, yeee-uhh mayn.
What happened to that pint-sized hooker that was being talked up? Chat?
...dafuq dat bish just sey to me ?? Mayn, I don't speak no London. Aight ? Chat means 'cat' in persian (or parisian, forgot which..).
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if racing win, is that masoe's 4th european cup in 4 years?
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tiddle wrote:if racing win, is that masoe's 4th european cup in 4 years?
Yup. After being branded too old and past it when he moved to Toulon in 2012 by astute observers. Guess there's life in the old dog yet. :thumbup:
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Dork Lard wrote:aight yall bishes, chuck duss:

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tiddle wrote:if racing win, is that masoe's 4th european cup in 4 years?
Well just third actually officially, didn't play (injured full year) one of the Toulon seasons, so it doesn't count. But no doubt the man's a force of nature.
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Dork Lard wrote:
tiddle wrote:if racing win, is that masoe's 4th european cup in 4 years?
Well just third actually officially, didn't play (injured full year) one of the Toulon seasons, so it doesn't count. But no doubt the man's a force of nature.
Ah indeed. He played a bit of the season including european games (he got broken against Exeter), but not enough to get the medal in 13-14.
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15 Englishman in the Sarries 23. Good stuff. :thumbup:
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theo wrote:15 Englishman in the Sarries 23. Good stuff. :thumbup:
There isn't.
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Dai another day wrote:
theo wrote:15 Englishman in the Sarries 23. Good stuff. :thumbup:
There isn't.
Yes there is.
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theo wrote:
Dai another day wrote:
theo wrote:15 Englishman in the Sarries 23. Good stuff. :thumbup:
There isn't.
Yes there is.
No, there is not.
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Dai another day wrote:
theo wrote:
Dai another day wrote:
theo wrote:15 Englishman in the Sarries 23. Good stuff. :thumbup:
There isn't.
Yes there is.
No, there is not.
Oh FFS.
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theo wrote:
Dai another day wrote:
theo wrote:
Dai another day wrote:
theo wrote:15 Englishman in the Sarries 23. Good stuff. :thumbup:
There isn't.
Yes there is.
No, there is not.
Oh FFS.
You guys must have been a riot in the school debating society! :shock:
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Dai is definitely a mass-debater.
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theo wrote:Dai is definitely a mass-debater.
No he isn't.
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Dork Lard wrote:
theo wrote:Dai is definitely a mass-debater.
No he isn't.
:)
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Dork Lard wrote:
theo wrote:Dai is definitely a mass-debater.
No he isn't.
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This is so good it deserves it's own thread...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/36281498

European Rugby Champions Cup: Racing 92 v Saracens
Venue: Grand Stade de Lyon Date: Saturday 14 May Kick-off: 16:45 BST
Coverage: Commentary on BBC Radio 5 live, plus text commentary on the BBC Sport website

Sport at the elite level, even for those few geniuses who can routinely do what others can only dream of, typically appears to be about obvious effort and relentless industry.

You try harder, you do better. You feel the pressure and you respond to it. You impose yourself upon rivals through physical dominance and force of personality.

In a sport like rugby union, where players have never been bigger, faster, or hit harder for longer, might is right like never before. Which makes the continual influence of Dan Carter not just illogical but something close to miraculous.

On Saturday evening in Lyon, Carter - the leading points scorer in Test history, reigning World Rugby player of the year, World Cup winner for a second time seven months ago - will, in characteristically undemonstrative fashion, lead Racing 92's charge as they take on Saracens in the Champions Cup final.

The All Blacks great is not only a physical throw-back in a game increasingly for the outsized and enormous. At 5ft 10in and 14 stone, the 34-year-old plays an old-fashioned way: finding space where others seek contact, appearing unhurried when fly-halves have never had less time, still managing to play on instinct when set moves and patterns are everywhere you look.

It's not that Carter doesn't do the nasty stuff. In Racing's semi-final win over Leicester Tigers he made 16 tackles.

It's how he does it. Whereas Jonny Wilkinson, the original big-hitting number 10, stopped opposition runners like a rogue flanker and brought gasps from the stands and lungs of the victim alike, Carter tackles like he does everything else - with economy rather than anger, with perfect yet undemonstrative technique, with efficiency over ostentation.

Carter is not quite the player he was. The outside break and sudden acceleration that defined so many of his early masterclasses have quietly been lost to the years. It doesn't really matter. In his swansong he appears to worry less about what he lacks than utilise what he does.

If it wasn't the sort of thing that in his home town of Southbridge would trigger disbelief - expressed, because this is the South Island of New Zealand, by something as flamboyant as a raised eyebrow or muted cough - you'd say it was all rather Zen: the impossible calm in a sporting storm, the balance between self and team, equanimity in even the biggest occasions.

There is the ritual of his relentless kicking practice, whether at the posts that his father put up next to the family home or on the foreign fields of France; the meditation brought about by those repeated simple actions; the carefully constructed humility of an All Blacks environment where 100-cap heroes like Carter and retired captain Richie McCaw were expected to clean up the dressing room like backroom juniors.

And it is all done in the most unobtrusive way. Wilkinson kicked from the tee with such exaggerated movements that half-cut punters in pubs could do impressions. Dan Biggar has his little soft-shoe shuffle, the 'Biggarena'. Owen Farrell, Carter's opposite number on Saturday, has the laser eyes and robotic head-turn.

Carter? Even after so many penalties and conversions, it's still hard to remember exactly how he looks in sweet motion. The fact that he has been the same with ball in hand - perfectly timed passes or offloads, but all done in the most discreet and understated way - have sometimes made it hard for people to understand what has made him so special. He doesn't always stand out, so how can he be outstanding?

"He's fascinating," admits Ronan O'Gara, arguably Ireland's finest fly-half and now, in early retirement, assistant coach at Carter's Racing.

"He's just extremely humble, extremely respectful. He smiles, he always finds a way of getting the job done.

"He doesn't stress, he's always polite, he's a breath of fresh air. You can learn an awful lot by just watching him."

Carter isn't the only sporting great who can appear to be operating in slow-motion and fast-forward at the same time, but he maintains that composure longer than most.

Tennis' Roger Federer at his best was both unhurried and unflustered, but at the moment of victory all that held-back emotion would come crashing out. In cricket, Chris Gayle remains expressionless when thrashing unfortunate bowlers for six after six, but will dance with his top off when victory has been won.

Lionel Messi, for all the gossamer touches with that left foot, is all beautiful bustle and obvious energy, Cristiano Ronaldo all strut and preen on the football pitch.

Even Tiger Woods, who before his fall could hold his form and nerve in the final-round meltdown like no other golfer, would spit and cuss his way round the course when the mojo left his side.

Carter, in the biggest moments he has faced, has looked as perturbed as if he were back at Christchurch Boys' High School, from the second Test against the Lions in 2005, when he turned in a performance that led to him being described as "the perfect 10", all the way through to last October's World Cup final.

Against the Wallabies at Twickenham that day, there was a moment to epitomise so much of what had come before: the All Blacks suddenly under huge pressure, their 17-point lead cut to just four with 15 minutes to go.

In his first 110 Tests Carter had landed a total of just six drop-goals. A week after adding another to put away South Africa in the semi-finals, he took a pass flat with the defence charging, his feet and eyes set for the short pass to Sonny Bill Williams on his outside shoulder.

Forty metres out, the game's greatest prize in the balance, chaos all around. Not for Carter. Instead, a little pocket of space and tranquillity and time where no-one else could see it, a turn of the shoulders and hips, a perfect contact with his left boot to send the ball arcing between the sticks.

Wilkinson was also touched by Eastern philosophy, first by Buddhism as cruel injuries kept keeping him out, later by a Japanese school of thought called Kaizen.

Because of the man that Wilkinson is, that was more about a tortured form of self-improvement. "You imagine being watched by a video 24/7 to help you get better each day and make good decisions," he has said.

For Farrell, who shares much of Wilkinson's dedication, Saturday is also about a particular kind of personal development.

After his yellow card in the critical World Cup group match against Australia and the two-week ban for a dangerous tackle after Saracens' Champions Cup semi-final win over Wasps, he will be watching Carter not just to keep his influence in check but to learn from the old master too.

"It's just how calm he is, how much he is in control of what he does that stands out," the fiery Farrell says.

"Trying to be calmer on the pitch, it's definitely something I'm always trying to do. The more you're calm, the more you're in control and the more you're thinking about the right things."

Carter in control. The career moves on, but the philosophy remains the same.
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Going to watch this. Should I expect a game for the ages?
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theo wrote:15 Englishman in the Sarries 23. Good stuff. :thumbup:
15 Alex Goode (206)*
14 Chris Ashton (96)*
13 Duncan Taylor (89)*
12 Brad Barritt (c) (168)
11 Chris Wyles (205)
10 Owen Farrell (132)*
9 Richard Wigglesworth (152)*
1 Mako Vunipola (97)
2 Schalk Brits (168)
3 Petrus Du Plessis (128)
4 Maro Itoje (49)*
5 George Kruis (121)*
6 Michael Rhodes (24)
7 Will Fraser (76)*
8 Billy Vunipola (57)

Replacements
16 Jamie George (146)*
17 Richard Barrington (79)*
18 Juan Figallo (31)
19 Jim Hamilton (45)*
20 Jackson Wray (140)*
21 Ben Spencer (71)*
22 Charlie Hodgson (128)*
23 Marcelo Bosch (64)

I count 16 EQP's ( with 13 born in England* , Hamilton and Taylor were poached from us :? )
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Floppykid wrote:
Dork Lard wrote:aight yall bishes, chuck duss:

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6 French,
Not the worst.
It is technically 7.

To be fair to Racing, they have given opportunities to quite a few decent espoirs this year and they will reap the benefit in the next couple of years.

Chavancy just back and logically on the bench. Pity Nyanga is injured.

Chat not picked. They went for the more experienced Lacombe instaed.
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L. Ron Hubbard wrote:Going to watch this. Should I expect a game for the wages?
Fixed
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armchairfan wrote:
theo wrote:15 Englishman in the Sarries 23. Good stuff. :thumbup:
15 Alex Goode (206)*
14 Chris Ashton (96)*
13 Duncan Taylor (89)*
12 Brad Barritt (c) (168)
11 Chris Wyles (205)
10 Owen Farrell (132)*
9 Richard Wigglesworth (152)*
1 Mako Vunipola (97)
2 Schalk Brits (168)
3 Petrus Du Plessis (128)
4 Maro Itoje (49)*
5 George Kruis (121)*
6 Michael Rhodes (24)
7 Will Fraser (76)*
8 Billy Vunipola (57)

Replacements
16 Jamie George (146)*
17 Richard Barrington (79)*
18 Juan Figallo (31)
19 Jim Hamilton (45)*
20 Jackson Wray (140)*
21 Ben Spencer (71)*
22 Charlie Hodgson (128)*
23 Marcelo Bosch (64)

I count 16 EQP's ( with 13 born in England* , Hamilton and Taylor were poached from us :? )
Let's stick to the facts. We're counting 'Englishmen' and Vunipola is Welsh, and Barritt and du plessis? :lol: :lol:
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Good article. It's interesting really, as I don't think we'll see another 10 like Carter again ever. He just simply has no weaknesses. None.
Yup,

He may not be quite the attacking threat that larkham was, or quite as consumate in his kicking/defending compared to Wilkinson, but he has 0 weakness in his game.
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L. Ron Hubbard wrote:Going to watch this. Should I expect a game for the ages?
I think it will be a cracker, all the real rugby fans will watch it
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Seneca of the Night wrote: Good article. It's interesting really, as I don't think we'll see another 10 like Carter again ever. He just simply has no weaknesses. None.

EDIT: and he was like that from the beginning. He didn't need to tack on other aspects to his game, like, say, McCaw did over his career with the ball carrying and passing / running game.
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plum-pudding wrote:
Dork Lard wrote: mmm hmmm, yeee-uhh mayn.
What happened to that pint-sized hooker that was being talked up? Chat?
Must be injured. With Szar and Ben Arous starting, that scrum is going to be mullered.
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L. Ron Hubbard wrote:Going to watch this. Should I expect a game for the ages?
No, that was on last night. Hope you saw it.
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Seneca of the Night wrote:
Good article. It's interesting really, as I don't think we'll see another 10 like Carter again ever. He just simply has no weaknesses. None.

EDIT: and he was like that from the beginning. He didn't need to tack on other aspects to his game, like, say, McCaw did over his career with the ball carrying and passing / running game.
I think you are right on a no of counts including
1) He reads the game so well. Like a chess player who is 3-4 moves ahead. It's his top 2 inches that set him apart. The time he has on the ball is a pleasure to watch.
2) The game is changing to the extent that players are becoming more 1D as they are (over) coached to fit a specific, coaching game style. You either are a running 10 or a kicking one these days.
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Christ I hope Racing win this.
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ScarfaceClaw wrote:Christ I hope Racing win this.
Is this an actual prayer ? If so, thank you for sharing, but I don't get the impression this is the place.
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Looking forward to the game so we can concentrate on the rugby and not the bleating.

Backing Saracens to win, despite that meaning a couple of truly objectionable individuals picking up medals. Racing seem pretty clinical but not to have an awful lot of spark, so if Saracens are on their game and don't let the pressure get to them, I think they'll be too strong.
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Lady P wrote:Looking forward to the game so we can concentrate on the rugby and not the bleating.

Backing Saracens to win, despite that meaning a couple of truly objectionable individuals picking up medals. Racing seem pretty clinical but not to have an awful lot of spark, so if Saracens are on their game and don't let the pressure get to them, I think they'll be too strong.
Farrell and Ashton ?
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bimboman wrote:
Lady P wrote:Looking forward to the game so we can concentrate on the rugby and not the bleating.

Backing Saracens to win, despite that meaning a couple of truly objectionable individuals picking up medals. Racing seem pretty clinical but not to have an awful lot of spark, so if Saracens are on their game and don't let the pressure get to them, I think they'll be too strong.
Farrell and Ashton ?
Basically. Actually not as anti-Farrell as some.
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I am going to try and cheer for sarries. But first Farrell cheap shot and I'm ooot.
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Ashton often plays like an absolute tool but he's always very humble and self-deprecating in interview. In his own words he behaves like a "complete idiot" at times. I find myself warming to folk who readily accept they're a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
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Farrell is awful, a despicable attitude.

It will be a brutal game. Sarries have a great team, no real weaknesses.

Hope Racing make it. They need a great Carter today
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Gospel wrote:Ashton often plays like an absolute tool but he's always very humble and self-deprecating in interview. In his own words he behaves like a "complete idiot" at times. I find myself warming to folk who readily accept they're a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
Yeah you saw that Ash-splash explanation interview too and are now less angry at and in fact deeply in love with Chris Ashton too I see.

Torque yeah Ben Arous-Szar-Tame is certainly not the strongest scrum in the comp, but I reckon it could hold up alright for the game. I thought they'd get destroyed by Ayerza+Cole against Tigers in the previous round, but they managed in fact to put pressure at times, very surprisingly, and both the Tigers props found themselves in difficulty on various scrums.
Mako has come a long way and is now a threat in the scrum, and Sarries overall have a fine unit in that department, but again Racing should do enough to not get absolutely smashed out of Grand Stade de Lyon tonight and will at very least have their strong lineout to somewhat compensate in the setpiece area...although that Itoje is one HELLLLLLL of a threat there too - for me easily the best lineout player in the world. The dude is just poison on opposition throws, and a stud on own receptions. He's like a beautiful Santa Claus but without the gift-distributing, and the red hat and suit, and the white beard, and the whole Christmas involvement thing, or the fat, white body.
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