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Zeitgeist wrote:I think everyone's experience with mental illness is different.

In my worst state I was convinced that I was a burden on my family and they would be far better off without me. Also, the only time I had any relief from my mental torment and anguish was when I was asleep, so it wasn't much of a stretch to find a permanent state of slumber somewhat appealing. Win, win.

I also had no idea why I felt the way I felt. I had no medical understanding of depression and anxiety. I just assumed that I was mentally weak.I had a great job, beautiful wife, three healthy young daughters, a lovely home and great friends.

Years of disguising my depression and anxiety had also mentally exhausted me. Being anxious about pretty much anything meant if I did something, anything, it had to be perfect.

It was a massive relief to get diagnosed, and come to the understanding that my mental "weakness" was just a chemical imbalance in my brain, that could be treated and overcome. The first time I took Xanax I thought to myself, "so this is how normal people feel; burning the toast isn't a tragedy after all".

Admittedly, I initially over did the meds, and eventually turned into Superman. My friends and family eventually told me I was more or less unrecognisable. I was afraid to change or scale back because I desperately didn't want to go back to my dark, angsty world. My wife left me (we are very good friends now though).

My eldest daughter has similar, perhaps more severe, issues, coupled with mild autism. She passed one exam in high school. One. I was incredibly proud of her when she told me she'd passed her geography exam.

Personally, I don't think it's particularly helpful to use the "strong" label. The implication is that you need to be strong to keep going, and if you can't, you're weak. In my experience, being strong when dealing with depression is like swimming against the tide. It's exhausting and ultimately, probably futile. I don't know anyone that has overcome depression, or other mental maladies, by being "strong".

I'm not criticising the posters that have used this terminology at all, it's an applaudable show of support, and support of the mentally unsettled is critical in my view and experience.

If you read this Trogs, I'd love to help you in any way I can. My skill set is limited, but I'm ok at logos and promotional bumf, if you need a hand with any of that sort of thing.

Ironically, typing this post has given me anxiety. I hope no-one picks up any spelling mistakes. Oh Jesus.
Another fantastic post. I think it is the individual posters that bring out the best in PR, rather than the other way around. :thumbup:
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Kiwias wrote:pjm1

An inspiring post.


Enz/trogs

Please set up a scheme such as pjm1 suggests, as I too want to contribute.
Yeah. I'm in for that too. Would be refreshing to see this place do something meaningful!
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Kiwias wrote:pjm1

An inspiring post.


Enz/trogs

Please set up a scheme such as pjm1 suggests, as I too want to contribute.
Yeah. I'm in for that too. Would be refreshing to see this place do something meaningful!

Redsfan made an excellent suggestion
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pjm - you have mail>

Putting together a scheme and should have something together when Trog gets back to me.
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Kiwias wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Kiwias wrote:pjm1

An inspiring post.


Enz/trogs

Please set up a scheme such as pjm1 suggests, as I too want to contribute.
Yeah. I'm in for that too. Would be refreshing to see this place do something meaningful!

Redsfan made an excellent suggestion
OK. We can only wait for the cue.

Noticed (skimming) through the posts that websites mentioned. Zenfolio is one way: and yes, it is subscription so some of the funding would need to be used for that.
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Enzedder wrote:pjm - you have mail>

Putting together a scheme and should have something together when Trog gets back to me.
I'm piling in Enz. Mailed you.
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Would be funny (and better) if trogs was pulling a 419 on us.
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:Would be funny (and better) if trogs was pulling a 419 on us.
What's a 419?
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globus wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:Would be funny (and better) if trogs was pulling a 419 on us.
What's a 419?
http://www.419eater.com/
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
globus wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:Would be funny (and better) if trogs was pulling a 419 on us.
What's a 419?
http://www.419eater.com/
Ah! I don't think so. He's an interesting fella.
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globus wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
globus wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:Would be funny (and better) if trogs was pulling a 419 on us.
What's a 419?
http://www.419eater.com/
Ah! I don't think so. He's an interesting fella.
It was a piece of dark humour. One I hope trogs would appreciate.
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
globus wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
globus wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:Would be funny (and better) if trogs was pulling a 419 on us.
What's a 419?
http://www.419eater.com/
Ah! I don't think so. He's an interesting fella.
It was a piece of dark humour. One I hope trogs would appreciate.
I'm sure he will. You don't post on here if you don't!
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Kiwias wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
Kiwias wrote:pjm1

An inspiring post.


Enz/trogs

Please set up a scheme such as pjm1 suggests, as I too want to contribute.
Yeah. I'm in for that too. Would be refreshing to see this place do something meaningful!

Redsfan made an excellent suggestion
OK. We can only wait for the cue.

Noticed (skimming) through the posts that websites mentioned. Zenfolio is one way: and yes, it is subscription so some of the funding would need to be used for that.
Yeah, my thoughts are that or a web-page with a payment portal. However, Paypal may be easier and quicker to start if they have one available
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Don wrote:
RuggaBugga wrote:By the way Globus, I'd like to apologise for yesterday. I was having a bad day (BIL is very ill, so all this death talk was hitting a bit close to home). I can tell you're a good egg in real life even if I don't always appreciate your posting style.
Going by your posting style, you must have a bad day every day.

Where's my apology?
:lol:

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Don wrote:
RuggaBugga wrote:By the way Globus, I'd like to apologise for yesterday. I was having a bad day (BIL is very ill, so all this death talk was hitting a bit close to home). I can tell you're a good egg in real life even if I don't always appreciate your posting style.
Going by your posting style, you must have a bad day every day.

Where's my apology?
Did you not read the bit about being able to tell he's a good egg in real life? You on the other hand attended a cabal and then came online and slagged off the host. That makes you a cunt.
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I don't like PayPal. I'll settle directly. Trogs just needs to know we are down in the scrum and shoving forward for him.
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Enzedder wrote:pjm - you have mail>

Putting together a scheme and should have something together when Trog gets back to me.
:thumbup: Am very happy to pitch in also.
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Cheers all - have started a seperate stickied thread
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Happy to contribute .

Best wishes Trogs.
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troglodiet wrote:In the mean time, I made a proposal of making all my photos available for free download, at full resolution (printable up to at least A1 size). That's Unfortunately all I have to offer right now.
This is entirely unnecessary and possibly counter productive. Photos have a higher commercial value with exclusivity? So no point in doing something that damages your ability to make a living.

Anyway, to me, it'd feel like picking a dead man's pocket (if you'll forgive the expression).
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Redsfan wrote:Trogs, maybe you should sign up to Patreon- it allows people to commit a monthly amount to a 'creative' (acting as their 'patrons'). In return, you could offer a monthly wildlife or landscape photo to your patrons.

I've been reading the posts on this thread (so not sure how it escalated into something this big, but obviously appreciated) and will reply to all the questions and suggestions in due course.

I however chose your post to be the first one to respond to.

I do hope you have homosexual tendencies (being a Reds fan, I'm sure you may just have), because if I ever get to meet you in real life, I will kiss you.

With tongue :nod:


I have never heard of this Patreon thing before, and had a look around that site this morning. This is EXACTLY the type of thing I was looking for. It opens so much more possibilities than I'm sure even you could imagine, and I will explain why:

I often have good ideas. No wait, make that great ideas. For once I will blow my own horn. My biggest problem, which is be a direct result of my mental illness, is never following through with my ideas. I'll have these great ideas during my up-phase, only to be hit by the down-phase a week or 2 later, and all plans fly out of the window.

My one idea, the one closest to my heart, is to start photography clubs at under-priviledged schools. If you understood the Saffa situation, you'll know what this involves: kids with virtually no future, forgotten even by their own government, schools who sometimes get their text books 8 months into the school year. I'd like to go around to these schools, teach them the basics, and get to a point where I could supply at least one camera to every school, for the kids to practice with. Furthermore, if legally possible I'd even like to get to a stage where a school can start making money from their photography clubs to improve their schools, look after those kids who come to school hungry, etc. But the first and most important thing would be to start generating a new generation of future photographers.

I believe this Patreon site could help me achieve that goal. Which in turn will also give me a full-time job (although I wouldn't call it a job, more of a mission).

So thank you for this suggestion. I will definitely sign up today.
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troglodiet wrote:
Redsfan wrote:Trogs, maybe you should sign up to Patreon- it allows people to commit a monthly amount to a 'creative' (acting as their 'patrons'). In return, you could offer a monthly wildlife or landscape photo to your patrons.

I've been reading the posts on this thread (so not sure how it escalated into something this big, but obviously appreciated) and will reply to all the questions and suggestions in due course.
trogs

Enzed has started a stickie -- you may wish to check it and finalise details
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Sydvicious wrote:Trogs, if you need help with the website, my best mate (based in Jhb) does all that for a living and has done so for the last 15 odd years. He's done stuff for Standard Bank and other big companies so he knows what he's doing.
I'm sure he'll be happy to help and if he can't do it without charging, I'll get the bill.
Don't know why, this one caused dust. Look at this post seriously Trogs.
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slick wrote:
Sydvicious wrote:Trogs, if you need help with the website, my best mate (based in Jhb) does all that for a living and has done so for the last 15 odd years. He's done stuff for Standard Bank and other big companies so he knows what he's doing.
I'm sure he'll be happy to help and if he can't do it without charging, I'll get the bill.
Don't know why, this one caused dust. Look at this post seriously Trogs.


Every post on this thread has caused more dust in my house (I cannot afford a cleaner, you idiots! :P ). Not only the offers for help in whatever way, but also every word of encouragement, every post of wisdom, hell even the humorous posts (and to answer all questions about this, I thoroughly enjoy the humour, especially the dark humour) brought an extra tear to my eye. It is for that reason that I did to offer free downloads of my photos to everybody, not only those who contributes financially. Because every poster had helped me in some way or another, some might not even realise it.

I'm trying to take everything in, and think of the how, when, where for every offer for assistance. My website, which exists but is basically just ashell right now, it's definitely high up on my to do list, so I will definitely try and arrange something through Sydvicious and his mate.
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trogs

PR is an amazing place, m8

We kick the shit out of each other on match threads, and pretty much every other thread.

Then this happens.

Kia kaha
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troglodiet wrote:
slick wrote:
Sydvicious wrote:Trogs, if you need help with the website, my best mate (based in Jhb) does all that for a living and has done so for the last 15 odd years. He's done stuff for Standard Bank and other big companies so he knows what he's doing.
I'm sure he'll be happy to help and if he can't do it without charging, I'll get the bill.
Don't know why, this one caused dust. Look at this post seriously Trogs.


Every post on this thread has caused more dust in my house (I cannot afford a cleaner, you idiots! :P ). Not only the offers for help in whatever way, but also every word of encouragement, every post of wisdom, hell even the humorous posts (and to answer all questions about this, I thoroughly enjoy the humour, especially the dark humour) brought an extra tear to my eye. It is for that reason that I did to offer free downloads of my photos to everybody, not only those who contributes financially. Because every poster had helped me in some way or another, some might not even realise it.

I'm trying to take everything in, and think of the how, when, where for every offer for assistance. My website, which exists but is basically just ashell right now, it's definitely high up on my to do list, so I will definitely try and arrange something through Sydvicious and his mate.
Late to this bbq trogs and sorry to hear of the hard times. Still on holiday for the next 3 weeks or so but will be in contact soon boet. Stay strong mate
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troglodiet wrote:
slick wrote:
Sydvicious wrote:Trogs, if you need help with the website, my best mate (based in Jhb) does all that for a living and has done so for the last 15 odd years. He's done stuff for Standard Bank and other big companies so he knows what he's doing.
I'm sure he'll be happy to help and if he can't do it without charging, I'll get the bill.
Don't know why, this one caused dust. Look at this post seriously Trogs.


Every post on this thread has caused more dust in my house (I cannot afford a cleaner, you idiots! :P ). Not only the offers for help in whatever way, but also every word of encouragement, every post of wisdom, hell even the humorous posts (and to answer all questions about this, I thoroughly enjoy the humour, especially the dark humour) brought an extra tear to my eye. It is for that reason that I did to offer free downloads of my photos to everybody, not only those who contributes financially. Because every poster had helped me in some way or another, some might not even realise it.

I'm trying to take everything in, and think of the how, when, where for every offer for assistance. My website, which exists but is basically just ashell right now, it's definitely high up on my to do list, so I will definitely try and arrange something through Sydvicious and his mate.
Good, and well done for taking all of this it as it is obviously intended. I have had to do similar in the last year and after the initial embarrassment it makes you realise that there are some great people in this world who just want to help because you are also one of those great people.

Just make sure you stick to your side of the bargain you plum.
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Ted. wrote:
Redsfan wrote:Trogs, maybe you should sign up to Patreon- it allows people to commit a monthly amount to a 'creative' (acting as their 'patrons'). In return, you could offer a monthly wildlife or landscape photo to your patrons.
That's a bloody good idea. :thumbup:
Set this up!
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Uthikoloshe wrote:
Ted. wrote:
Redsfan wrote:Trogs, maybe you should sign up to Patreon- it allows people to commit a monthly amount to a 'creative' (acting as their 'patrons'). In return, you could offer a monthly wildlife or landscape photo to your patrons.
That's a bloody good idea. :thumbup:
Set this up!


I've registered this afternoon. Just need to fill in the details and i can go live.

It looks great!
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troglodiet wrote:I've registered this afternoon. Just need to fill in the details and i can go live.

It looks great!
When it's done, post the link here for us ;)
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I'd be happy to make a small contribution, but what if the fucker spends the money on a flight to Switzerland? :shock:


Trog - REAL ESTATE PHOTOGRAPHY!! - have a serious think about it.
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fatcat wrote:I'd be happy to make a small contribution, but what if the fucker spends the money on a flight to Switzerland? :shock:


Trog - REAL ESTATE PHOTOGRAPHY!! - have a serious think about it.
You do know which country he lives in?
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I know a photog in Cape Town who shoots some of the sexiest places I've ever seen. Maybe your pic is more like Jo'B than CT though.
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fatcat wrote:I know a photog in Cape Town who shoots some of the sexiest places I've ever seen. Maybe your pic is more like Jo'B than CT though.
Would that be here?
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
fatcat wrote:I know a photog in Cape Town who shoots some of the sexiest places I've ever seen. Maybe your pic is more like Jo'B than CT though.
Would that be here?
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troglodiet wrote:
Redsfan wrote:Trogs, maybe you should sign up to Patreon- it allows people to commit a monthly amount to a 'creative' (acting as their 'patrons'). In return, you could offer a monthly wildlife or landscape photo to your patrons.

I've been reading the posts on this thread (so not sure how it escalated into something this big, but obviously appreciated) and will reply to all the questions and suggestions in due course.

I however chose your post to be the first one to respond to.

I do hope you have homosexual tendencies (being a Reds fan, I'm sure you may just have), because if I ever get to meet you in real life, I will kiss you.

With tongue :nod:


I have never heard of this Patreon thing before, and had a look around that site this morning. This is EXACTLY the type of thing I was looking for. It opens so much more possibilities than I'm sure even you could imagine, and I will explain why:

I often have good ideas. No wait, make that great ideas. For once I will blow my own horn. My biggest problem, which is be a direct result of my mental illness, is never following through with my ideas. I'll have these great ideas during my up-phase, only to be hit by the down-phase a week or 2 later, and all plans fly out of the window.

My one idea, the one closest to my heart, is to start photography clubs at under-priviledged schools. If you understood the Saffa situation, you'll know what this involves: kids with virtually no future, forgotten even by their own government, schools who sometimes get their text books 8 months into the school year. I'd like to go around to these schools, teach them the basics, and get to a point where I could supply at least one camera to every school, for the kids to practice with. Furthermore, if legally possible I'd even like to get to a stage where a school can start making money from their photography clubs to improve their schools, look after those kids who come to school hungry, etc. But the first and most important thing would be to start generating a new generation of future photographers.

I believe this Patreon site could help me achieve that goal. Which in turn will also give me a full-time job (although I wouldn't call it a job, more of a mission).

So thank you for this suggestion. I will definitely sign up today.
Tbh, I forgot that I made this suggestion- I'm really glad that it might help you to get that project off the ground. If I'm ever in RSA, I'll be sure to pucker up.
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fatcat wrote:I'd be happy to make a small contribution, but what if the fucker spends the money on a flight to Switzerland? :shock:


Trog - REAL ESTATE PHOTOGRAPHY!! - have a serious think about it.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Thanks for making me laugh. That's the type of dark humour I love. But admittedly, you do have a point, I may have gotten enough $$$ from the boredies to book a flight to Switserland, never thought about it until you mentioned it :o

Seriously though, I've been kept rather busy since this whole saga started, especially with that Patreon site thing Redsfan suggested, that I haven't thought much about feeling down. Of course being able to channel the energy I wasted on finances and use it for the better, does help a lot.

I have in fact started to incorporate Real Estate Photography into my bigger plans. In this sense I've already hooked up with somebody on the North Coast of Natal who does it as part of his photography package, and he seems willing to let me help him out, and in turn give me leads in my area. Once I'm on my medication, I would be in a better position to start approaching the estate agents too; unfortunately where I am right now in my recovery, I'm not fully capable to do that just yet, but I reckon 2 weeks or so on my meds and I should have that extra boost in energy, and confidence. I do know quite a lot of the "tricks" for Real Estate Photography, and even when doing wedding photography you need to know the basics of how to photograph interiors of buildings, so I'm sure I could do well.

My full scope of works would in the end be: stock photography, product photography (especially small-medium sized businesses) and Real Estate Photography. And then on top of this, I'm planning a charity organisation which will hopefully take photography to the poorer schools, most of them from previous disadvantaged communities, where you have kids who have been all but forgotten by even their own government, and is basically set up for failure from the word go. I'm hoping to at least give some of these kids the opportunity to one day become photographers themselves. And whilst teaching photography, there's other advantages like making maths and science fun, making them care for the fauna and flora, the beauty of landscapes (whilst showing them the disadvantages of littering for example). This may however cause me to lose my Amigo membership.
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Redsfan wrote:Tbh, I forgot that I made this suggestion- I'm really glad that it might help you to get that project off the ground. If I'm ever in RSA, I'll be sure to pucker up.

You forgot you gave me that suggestion 2 days ago? Dude my memory is fvcked but at least I have an excuse - just what the hell were you smoking at the time that you cannot remember that? :lol:



Be honest, your wish to meet up is all about the promise of tongue, isn't it? I just knew it would catch the attention of a Reds fan. :nod:
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troglodiet wrote: And then on top of this, I'm planning a charity organisation which will hopefully take photography to the poorer schools, most of them from previous disadvantaged communities, where you have kids who have been all but forgotten by even their own government, and is basically set up for failure from the word go. I'm hoping to at least give some of these kids the opportunity to one day become photographers themselves. And whilst teaching photography, there's other advantages like making maths and science fun, making them care for the fauna and flora, the beauty of landscapes (whilst showing them the disadvantages of littering for example). This may however cause me to lose my Amigo membership.
Dig around with the charity thing Trogs. I've seen people make a go of this if they get them properly set up and can provide the right accounting paperwork for tax deductions and free import. If you're not afraid of asking for money, and can back it up with actual follow up performance and keeping the accountants happy, and are not shy of using some of the money for yourself (which may sound cynical but it's the way it works) it could well be a winner.

It's the sort of thing you can be quite surprised just what leaps out of the woodwork with a little bit of careful, simple marketing. You already know the interweb stuff regards photography and getting your name about the planet.

It might not take much to set up once you've laid the corporate foundation. Say a couple of hundred cheap snappers to hand out to kids (?? I'm sure you'll have your own thoughts), you do your photography of the happy kids, put the photos out in the world and something may snowball.

Let us know if you can get the org set up.
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