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Three victims discharged from hospital.
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The Sun God wrote:
Scrummie wrote:Can anyone post the picture from last night's Evening Standard showing the new police uniform and accessories? My Action Man in the 60's didn't have that much gear FFS.
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:lol: :lol:

Ally as fvck :lol:
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The Man Without Fear wrote:The thing in between the door ram and the rifles would seem to indicate they're expecting ghosts.
:lol:
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Womack wrote:Knife crime is not that rare in the UK (comparatively speaking, it is still quite rare though).

Random knife attacks on multiple passers-by are very rare, in the UK and pretty much everywhere else.

This wasn't a difficult point to grasp, or indeed elucidate.
Indeed. Some itchy trigger fingers out there.
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henry wrote:
The Sun God wrote:
Scrummie wrote:Can anyone post the picture from last night's Evening Standard showing the new police uniform and accessories? My Action Man in the 60's didn't have that much gear FFS.
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A tragic indictment of our times.

We've had to essentially militarize our police a la the Septics.

I hope I never become desensitised to seeing armed officers around London.
Less than 10% of Met officers will be trained in firearms, even less than that will be permanently part of SO19 and less still part of the counter-terrorism unit shown above.
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There have been an increasing number of this sort of random attack on people, mainly with knives, over the last decade here in Japan.

For the victims, it is purely a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, which must be terrible for the families to deal with.
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The Sun God wrote:
Scrummie wrote:Can anyone post the picture from last night's Evening Standard showing the new police uniform and accessories? My Action Man in the 60's didn't have that much gear FFS.
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There's only one bloke in that photo who has cut the trigger finger part of his glove. The rest are just pretenders. Pah.
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
HKCJ wrote:One dead and 6 injured.. :(


Hopefully a nutter and not terrorism..
You realise what you wrote?
Yes. And you saw my response to Fraz?
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fraz wrote:
HKCJ wrote:Thems the rules. White guy then nutter.. Hint of a tan.. terrorism. Terrorism leads to fear.. white guy we can all relax that we're safe again.
:lol: sounds about right.

I don't know about you, but I find being stabbed pretty f**k terrifying, regardless of the complexion of the stabber.

I do quite strongly dislike this ubiquitous question hanging around in the aftermath of every terrorist attack: "authorities are investigating whether it was an act of terrorism". You know what? If a bloke walks into a school with an assault rifle and starts shooting children, that's an act of terrorism.
Yes, the same with a knife as happened in Japan about 15 years ago in which a guy walked into a primary school and killed 8 and injured 15 with a knife
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HKCJ wrote:Thems the rules. White guy then nutter.. Hint of a tan.. terrorism. Terrorism leads to fear.. white guy we can all relax that we're safe again.
So much of this and exactly my first thought when I saw this news this morning.
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My those police men look very fit, almost squaddie fit you could say.
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The Sun God wrote:
Scrummie wrote:Can anyone post the picture from last night's Evening Standard showing the new police uniform and accessories? My Action Man in the 60's didn't have that much gear FFS.
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Looks like the weapon selection from DeadSpace :shock:
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Insane_Homer wrote:
HKCJ wrote:Thems the rules. White guy then nutter.. Hint of a tan.. terrorism. Terrorism leads to fear.. white guy we can all relax that we're safe again.
So much of this and exactly my first thought when I saw this news this morning.
Quite an interesting article in the Graun today on the subject. Hardly definitive but it raised some interesting points.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -terrorist
The crimes committed by terrorists historically involved an array of acts: political assassinations (generally of public figures), bombings (often of symbolically important locations), kidnappings, skyjackings and so on. Some organisations and individuals did, of course, target civilians. But very few terrorist groups embraced public and indiscriminate slaughter as an end in itself, for the simple reason that mass murder doesn’t win political support.

Or, to put it another way, murders committed by terrorists tended to look very different from murders conducted by non-political rampage killers.

Now, however, they often don’t.
Last year, the data journalism site FiveThirtyEight explained how the trend had developed: “[t]here have been more total mass shooting incidents and deaths [in the US] in the 11 years starting with 2005 than there were in the previous 23 years combined
The accelerating rate of non-political mass murders suggests that, at very least, those calling for more killings are sowing seeds in fertile ground.
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Remember how we laughed... oh, how we laughed, at the US of A's preoccupation with militarising their police forces?
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guy smiley wrote:Remember how we laughed... oh, how we laughed, at the US of A's preoccupation with militarising their police forces?
You know how many times British police discharged their firearms last year?

7 times, and that's an increase over recent years.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 60391.html
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Tim13 wrote:
guy smiley wrote:Remember how we laughed... oh, how we laughed, at the US of A's preoccupation with militarising their police forces?
You know how many times British police discharged their firearms last year?

7 times, and that's an increase over recent years.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 60391.html
Just as well - from what I gather, they aren't the most accurate as a rule (although they might well have improved in recent years).
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This kind of thing is becoming so common these days no one cares........
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Sards wrote:This kind of thing is becoming so common these days no one cares........
What?
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guy smiley wrote:Remember how we laughed... oh, how we laughed, at the US of A's preoccupation with militarising their police forces?

To be fair unless you are going to regularly deploy troops to the streets at least some of your policeman need guns in order to respond to bad guys with guns.
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4th one along looks like a plant to me.
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tc27 wrote:
guy smiley wrote:Remember how we laughed... oh, how we laughed, at the US of A's preoccupation with militarising their police forces?

To be fair unless you are going to regularly deploy troops to the streets at least some of your policeman need guns in order to respond to bad guys with guns.
And to shoot the children of the bad guys post-incident, obviously.

Otherwise, how will we be kept safe?
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henry wrote:
tc27 wrote:
guy smiley wrote:Remember how we laughed... oh, how we laughed, at the US of A's preoccupation with militarising their police forces?

To be fair unless you are going to regularly deploy troops to the streets at least some of your policeman need guns in order to respond to bad guys with guns.
And to shoot the children of the bad guys post-incident, obviously.

Otherwise, how will we be kept safe?

There's that... but I was referring to the 'level of equipping' in that picture. Unless that's a special force like a... excuse the term, SWAT team, then equipping police to that level errs on the side of declaring a sort of war on your populace, and it's a fair old step up from simply arming your police.
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guy smiley wrote:
henry wrote:
tc27 wrote:
guy smiley wrote:Remember how we laughed... oh, how we laughed, at the US of A's preoccupation with militarising their police forces?

To be fair unless you are going to regularly deploy troops to the streets at least some of your policeman need guns in order to respond to bad guys with guns.
And to shoot the children of the bad guys post-incident, obviously.

Otherwise, how will we be kept safe?

There's that... but I was referring to the 'level of equipping' in that picture. Unless that's a special force like a... excuse the term, SWAT team, then equipping police to that level errs on the side of declaring a sort of war on your populace, and it's a fair old step up from simply arming your police.
Heard an interview with one of these specialist officers yesterday. He said that the gear was scalable, and this equipment would rarely be needed, and very rarely seen.
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guy smiley wrote:
henry wrote:
tc27 wrote:
guy smiley wrote:Remember how we laughed... oh, how we laughed, at the US of A's preoccupation with militarising their police forces?

To be fair unless you are going to regularly deploy troops to the streets at least some of your policeman need guns in order to respond to bad guys with guns.
And to shoot the children of the bad guys post-incident, obviously.

Otherwise, how will we be kept safe?

There's that... but I was referring to the 'level of equipping' in that picture. Unless that's a special force like a... excuse the term, SWAT team, then equipping police to that level errs on the side of declaring a sort of war on your populace, and it's a fair old step up from simply arming your police.
The clue is in the name thought I would think, Counter Terrorist Specialist Firearms Officers. Not the regular bobby on the beat really. I think in this incident they didn't kill the loon with the knife they tased him and made an arrest.
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I'm here for pics, Tim. I'm not reading any shit, man.
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guy smiley wrote:I'm here for pics, Tim. I'm not reading any shit, man.
:lol: Fair enough... although it says CTSFO in the pic too ;)
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armchairfan wrote:
The Sun God wrote:
Scrummie wrote:Can anyone post the picture from last night's Evening Standard showing the new police uniform and accessories? My Action Man in the 60's didn't have that much gear FFS.
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Looks like the weapon selection from DeadSpace :shock:
Or Half-Life... it even has the crowbar!
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Tim13 wrote:
guy smiley wrote:I'm here for pics, Tim. I'm not reading any shit, man.
:lol: Fair enough... although it says CTSFO in the pic too ;)
I'm in Australia... that could easily stand for Cumberland Traffic Suburban Force Operations.


I see the Police are talking mental health in the aftermath...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/liv ... ttack-live
The Met Police commissioner, Bernard Hogan-Howe, has confirmed that mental health remains a “substantial focus for our investigation”. He has said his thoughts are with those affected and praised the police response as “professional and proportionate”.

My thoughts are with the family of the woman who was murdered and those who were injured. A normal night out in our busy capital has ended in horrific circumstances.

Our investigation is moving very quickly and our detectives have been working hard throughout the night. As we have already made clear, mental health remains a substantial focus for our investigation.

Every day in London, my officers patrol and carry out operations to catch criminals in the knowledge that they face risk and danger. I am proud that last night our specialist firearms officers were on the scene in six minutes and, using only a Taser, detained the subject. That demonstrates our commitment to use force in a professional and proportionate way.

Their swift response undoubtedly helped to prevent more people from getting injured.

Across our capital today you will see more police officers, armed and unarmed, to reassure the public after recent events overseas. We will protect our capital and those who live, work and visit our city.
and I acknowledge the use of the term 'specialist firearms officers' therein.
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earl the beaver wrote:
The Sun God wrote:
Scrummie wrote:Can anyone post the picture from last night's Evening Standard showing the new police uniform and accessories? My Action Man in the 60's didn't have that much gear FFS.
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The stihl saw seems overkill given what a hand held grinder can manage these days, fück lugging that shit around.
One of those has a much greater capacity and is a lot safer to use than a grinder.
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earl the beaver wrote:
henry wrote:
The Sun God wrote:
Scrummie wrote:Can anyone post the picture from last night's Evening Standard showing the new police uniform and accessories? My Action Man in the 60's didn't have that much gear FFS.
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A tragic indictment of our times.

We've had to essentially militarize our police a la the Septics.

I hope I never become desensitised to seeing armed officers around London.
Less than 10% of Met officers will be trained in firearms, even less than that will be permanently part of SO19 and less still part of the counter-terrorism unit shown above.
As of this morning, I believe, that the Met has 2800 officers trained in firearms........Big city I know but still an impressive number of Officers able to cope with a threat.
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As a precautionary measure, Londoners will wake up this morning to notice an increased presence on the streets of officers, including armed officers
Some kind of mental health virus?
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DAC2016 wrote:
As a precautionary measure, Londoners will wake up this morning to notice an increased presence on the streets of officers, including armed officers
Some kind of mental health virus?
Are you back in Wales?
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I was back Tuesday afternoon.
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DAC2016 wrote:I was back Tuesday afternoon.
You're quick.

How's life treating you?
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What is the ghostbuster thing anyhow?
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Bullettyme wrote:What is the ghostbuster thing anyhow?
Tear gas, maybe?

Actually, it looks hydraulic.
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Ted. wrote:
DAC2016 wrote:I was back Tuesday afternoon.
You're quick.

How's life treating you?
Just a morning meeting, I'm good thanks, I hope you are too.
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Ted. wrote:
Bullettyme wrote:What is the ghostbuster thing anyhow?
Tear gas, maybe?

Actually, it looks hydraulic.
I was thinking it might be something for pumping gas into, or out of, somewhere.

Maybe it's for opening doors? Like that thing from No Country..
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Perp is a Norwegian national of Somali origin apparently.
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