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kearnstar wrote:
fraz wrote:
towny wrote:
kearnstar wrote:
towny wrote:The myth that Foley needs a playmaker at 12 is dead and buried.

Turns out what he needed was Coleman, Timani and Arnold kicking arse at the breakdown.
Pretty fkn easy game when you're going downhill. Ask the AB's

Vs England and we're not winning every collision? Ok let's see how things go then
Genia will play against England so they'll be less free tries given away from a scrum-half's panic.
Disgusting anti-waratahs bias :thumbdown:

Just wait till Ellafan gets his teeth into you.
Donger's all over it
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Donger wrote:
towny wrote:
kearnstar wrote:
towny wrote:The myth that Foley needs a playmaker at 12 is dead and buried.

Turns out what he needed was Coleman, Timani and Arnold kicking arse at the breakdown.
Pretty fkn easy game when you're going downhill. Ask the AB's

Vs England and we're not winning every collision? Ok let's see how things go then
Genia will play against England so they'll be less free tries given away from a scrum-half's panic.
and we will play to England's strengths...a slow game of attrition.
man, we would have won the series had ANY other scrum half played. Phipps was worse than awful. The poms flood the breakdown and he shits himself too often. Phipps should come on with 20 to go and increase the tempo against tiring legs. He's not reliable enough to be our starting 9.
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towny wrote:
fraz wrote:
towny wrote:The myth that Foley needs a playmaker at 12 is dead and buried.

Turns out what he needed was Coleman, Timani and Arnold kicking arse at the breakdown.
I'll reserve judgement until he puts in a few more good performances, especially as Quade has been so good this season. Certainly a much improved performance.

As for the forwards; what a treat to have a traditional ball running eightman who can play a whole game. First one we've had since Dave Lyons. Hopefully he develops into the first good one since Toutai Kefu :thumbup:
Agree. Timani did some great things tonight. He's got a lot to improve on but he's big and physical. We've missed that type of player for a long time.
He still gets pushed around abit, but then again so did Coleman on occasion
Just gotta stick with these guys, experience is really important
fudge Mumm off already
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towny wrote:
fraz wrote:
towny wrote:The myth that Foley needs a playmaker at 12 is dead and buried.

Turns out what he needed was Coleman, Timani and Arnold kicking arse at the breakdown.
I'll reserve judgement until he puts in a few more good performances, especially as Quade has been so good this season. Certainly a much improved performance.

As for the forwards; what a treat to have a traditional ball running eightman who can play a whole game. First one we've had since Dave Lyons. Hopefully he develops into the first good one since Toutai Kefu :thumbup:
Agree. Timani did some great things tonight. He's got a lot to improve on but he's big and physical. We've missed that type of player for a long time.
Glad to see the bored finally coming around on Timani :thumbup:

By no means the perfect eightman of course, but it's staggering how much he improves from game to game.
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towny wrote:
Donger wrote:
towny wrote:
kearnstar wrote:
towny wrote:The myth that Foley needs a playmaker at 12 is dead and buried.

Turns out what he needed was Coleman, Timani and Arnold kicking arse at the breakdown.
Pretty fkn easy game when you're going downhill. Ask the AB's

Vs England and we're not winning every collision? Ok let's see how things go then
Genia will play against England so they'll be less free tries given away from a scrum-half's panic.
and we will play to England's strengths...a slow game of attrition.
man, we would have won the series had ANY other scrum half played. Phipps was worse than awful. The poms flood the breakdown and he shits himself too often. Phipps should come on with 20 to go and increase the tempo against tiring legs. He's not reliable enough to be our starting 9.
He does shit the bed quite a bit
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kearnstar wrote:
towny wrote:
fraz wrote:
towny wrote:The myth that Foley needs a playmaker at 12 is dead and buried.

Turns out what he needed was Coleman, Timani and Arnold kicking arse at the breakdown.
I'll reserve judgement until he puts in a few more good performances, especially as Quade has been so good this season. Certainly a much improved performance.

As for the forwards; what a treat to have a traditional ball running eightman who can play a whole game. First one we've had since Dave Lyons. Hopefully he develops into the first good one since Toutai Kefu :thumbup:
Agree. Timani did some great things tonight. He's got a lot to improve on but he's big and physical. We've missed that type of player for a long time.
He still gets pushed around abit, but then again so did Coleman on occasion
Just gotta stick with these guys, experience is really important
f**k Mumm off already
Yep. Coleman and Arnold are the future. Mumm can bite me.
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towny wrote:
Donger wrote:
towny wrote:
kearnstar wrote:
towny wrote:The myth that Foley needs a playmaker at 12 is dead and buried.

Turns out what he needed was Coleman, Timani and Arnold kicking arse at the breakdown.
Pretty fkn easy game when you're going downhill. Ask the AB's

Vs England and we're not winning every collision? Ok let's see how things go then
Genia will play against England so they'll be less free tries given away from a scrum-half's panic.
and we will play to England's strengths...a slow game of attrition.
man, we would have won the series had ANY other scrum half played. Phipps was worse than awful. The poms flood the breakdown and he shits himself too often. Phipps should come on with 20 to go and increase the tempo against tiring legs. He's not reliable enough to be our starting 9.
yet both games he has started recently, he has had the forwards going forward with quick well placed passes having them attacking the line low and balanced with momentum.

it's chalk and cheese. :thumbup:
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:Hammered by a side that was reamed by England.
76-0 is a reaming.
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kearnstar wrote:
towny wrote:
fraz wrote:
towny wrote:The myth that Foley needs a playmaker at 12 is dead and buried.

Turns out what he needed was Coleman, Timani and Arnold kicking arse at the breakdown.
I'll reserve judgement until he puts in a few more good performances, especially as Quade has been so good this season. Certainly a much improved performance.

As for the forwards; what a treat to have a traditional ball running eightman who can play a whole game. First one we've had since Dave Lyons. Hopefully he develops into the first good one since Toutai Kefu :thumbup:
Agree. Timani did some great things tonight. He's got a lot to improve on but he's big and physical. We've missed that type of player for a long time.
He still gets pushed around abit, but then again so did Coleman on occasion
Just gotta stick with these guys, experience is really important
f**k Mumm off already
It's having more than one of these guys on the field at any one time that made the difference. Aus seemed to want to put on just one 'hard man' type on the field for the longest time.
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Righto, I'm off to bed.

Cheers for the banter boys. :thumbup:
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Staring to like the look of this wallaby starting forward pack. Big, skillful and physical, not what you usually associate with Australian packs. Made the Welsh eight look very ordinary today.
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fraz wrote:
towny wrote:
fraz wrote:
towny wrote:The myth that Foley needs a playmaker at 12 is dead and buried.

Turns out what he needed was Coleman, Timani and Arnold kicking arse at the breakdown.
I'll reserve judgement until he puts in a few more good performances, especially as Quade has been so good this season. Certainly a much improved performance.

As for the forwards; what a treat to have a traditional ball running eightman who can play a whole game. First one we've had since Dave Lyons. Hopefully he develops into the first good one since Toutai Kefu :thumbup:
Agree. Timani did some great things tonight. He's got a lot to improve on but he's big and physical. We've missed that type of player for a long time.
Glad to see the bored finally coming around on Timani :thumbup:

By no means the perfect eightman of course, but it's staggering how much he improves from game to game.

Pretty sure Dumbles and myself have been championing Timani and McMahon for a couple years now, you jumped on after fatty had to retire
Timani will get better, but no, he won't be another Kefu. Lacks the brutality, that instinct, you can't teach
Still can be a helluva player tho
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towny wrote:
Donger wrote:
towny wrote:
kearnstar wrote:
towny wrote:The myth that Foley needs a playmaker at 12 is dead and buried.

Turns out what he needed was Coleman, Timani and Arnold kicking arse at the breakdown.
Pretty fkn easy game when you're going downhill. Ask the AB's

Vs England and we're not winning every collision? Ok let's see how things go then
Genia will play against England so they'll be less free tries given away from a scrum-half's panic.
and we will play to England's strengths...a slow game of attrition.
man, we would have won the series had ANY other scrum half played. Phipps was worse than awful. The poms flood the breakdown and he shits himself too often. Phipps should come on with 20 to go and increase the tempo against tiring legs. He's not reliable enough to be our starting 9.
Nobody with the most rudimentary understanding of rugby could disagree with this statement.
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Not scoring in that 70-75th minute period was the most predictable thing I've ever seen.
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kearnstar wrote:
fraz wrote:
towny wrote:
fraz wrote:
towny wrote:The myth that Foley needs a playmaker at 12 is dead and buried.

Turns out what he needed was Coleman, Timani and Arnold kicking arse at the breakdown.
I'll reserve judgement until he puts in a few more good performances, especially as Quade has been so good this season. Certainly a much improved performance.

As for the forwards; what a treat to have a traditional ball running eightman who can play a whole game. First one we've had since Dave Lyons. Hopefully he develops into the first good one since Toutai Kefu :thumbup:
Agree. Timani did some great things tonight. He's got a lot to improve on but he's big and physical. We've missed that type of player for a long time.
Glad to see the bored finally coming around on Timani :thumbup:

By no means the perfect eightman of course, but it's staggering how much he improves from game to game.

Pretty sure Dumbles and myself have been championing Timani and McMahon for a couple years now, you jumped on after fatty had to retire
Timani will get better, but no, he won't be another Kefu. Lacks the brutality, that instinct, you can't teach
Still can be a helluva player tho
Revisionist bullshit! I was a pioneer of the Timani train and took my fair share of ridicule for it.
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akann wrote:Staring to like the look of this wallaby starting forward pack. Big, skillful and physical, not what you usually associate with Australian packs. Made the Welsh eight look very ordinary today.
We're not suddenly world beaters cause we played Wales. AB's would still put 30 on us easy

But

This kinda gives the guys the reinforcement that what they are doing is making an improvement. It's a good sign for the whole team
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off to watch NZ Ireland.

beautiful day in Chi-town. 60's sunny, no wind. great day to walk to rugby, tailgate with the chicago teams, and enjoy the crack.
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fraz wrote: Revisionist bullshit! I was a pioneer of the Timani train and took my fair share of ridicule for it.
Who would ridicule you for wanting Timani in the squad? Don't recall anyone being against Timani or Mad Dog
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fraz wrote:
towny wrote:
Donger wrote:
towny wrote:
kearnstar wrote:
Pretty fkn easy game when you're going downhill. Ask the AB's

Vs England and we're not winning every collision? Ok let's see how things go then
Genia will play against England so they'll be less free tries given away from a scrum-half's panic.
and we will play to England's strengths...a slow game of attrition.
man, we would have won the series had ANY other scrum half played. Phipps was worse than awful. The poms flood the breakdown and he shits himself too often. Phipps should come on with 20 to go and increase the tempo against tiring legs. He's not reliable enough to be our starting 9.
Nobody with the most rudimentary understanding of rugby could disagree with this statement.
says the guy that suggested Genia was indestructible and back to his best 40 minutes after gifting a try. :roll:
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kearnstar wrote:
fraz wrote: Revisionist bullshit! I was a pioneer of the Timani train and took my fair share of ridicule for it.
Who would ridicule you for wanting Timani in the squad? Don't recall anyone being against Timani or Mad Dog
there has been a fair amount of criticism of him going missing.
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Cheika should definitely callup Naiyaravoro
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kearnstar wrote:
akann wrote:Staring to like the look of this wallaby starting forward pack. Big, skillful and physical, not what you usually associate with Australian packs. Made the Welsh eight look very ordinary today.
We're not suddenly world beaters cause we played Wales. AB's would still put 30 on us easy

But

This kinda gives the guys the reinforcement that what they are doing is making an improvement. It's a good sign for the whole team
Yeah I realise that, but I am judging them based on the Eden Park match as well. A few of the Abs were interviewed the next day and they were really impressed with the physicality shown by the wallabies. Read reckoned that it was by far their toughest match of the year.
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Donger wrote:
towny wrote:
fraz wrote:
towny wrote:The myth that Foley needs a playmaker at 12 is dead and buried.

Turns out what he needed was Coleman, Timani and Arnold kicking arse at the breakdown.
I'll reserve judgement until he puts in a few more good performances, especially as Quade has been so good this season. Certainly a much improved performance.

As for the forwards; what a treat to have a traditional ball running eightman who can play a whole game. First one we've had since Dave Lyons. Hopefully he develops into the first good one since Toutai Kefu :thumbup:
Agree. Timani did some great things tonight. He's got a lot to improve on but he's big and physical. We've missed that type of player for a long time.
:thumbup:
Took the first lineout at 2 unchallenged and got up pretty high. He needs work but he might end up being very good.
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kearnstar wrote:
akann wrote:Staring to like the look of this wallaby starting forward pack. Big, skillful and physical, not what you usually associate with Australian packs. Made the Welsh eight look very ordinary today.
We're not suddenly world beaters cause we played Wales. AB's would still put 30 on us easy

nah. the last game had two YOOOJ defensive errors leading to two tries and a disallowed try.

in terms of physicaltiy and go forward, it was the beginning. :thumbup:
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just looked at the ESPN stats

George North Tackles 0, Missed tackles 4! and made just 13 m

Mind you Amos managed more than Cuthbert in the 15 mins he was on!
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Petros wrote:just looked at the ESPN stats

George North Tackles 0, Missed tackles 4! and made just 13 m

Mind you Amos managed more than Cuthbert in the 15 mins he was on!
North is shit nowadays. Shit hands, shit feet, shit acceleration, shit penetration, shit lines in attack, shit lines in defence, shit supporting lines, shut vision, shit player.
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What was going on on the LH side for both Sio and Slipper? Need to sort that out and quickly.
I wouldn't mind having a look at NRMA starting at LH.
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
polyallstar wrote:If 1/2p can't kick what does he offer?
Nothing. Have been saying this for more than a year but I guess if you don't watch T14, you'd not realise what a f**king passenger he has become.
Preaching to the choir I said ages ago Delon was a better option at 15 for Toulon, likewise Williams for Wales. Should stick him on the wing out the way
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How many overlaps did Wales blow?
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Plato'sCave wrote:
Petros wrote:just looked at the ESPN stats

George North Tackles 0, Missed tackles 4! and made just 13 m

Mind you Amos managed more than Cuthbert in the 15 mins he was on!
North is shit nowadays. Shit hands, shit feet, shit acceleration, shit penetration, shit lines in attack, shit lines in defence, shit supporting lines, shut vision, shit player.
Just as well his vision is not quite as shit as the rest of his game.
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Well played Oz. Wales looked...rusty.

Where was the crowd? First time I've seen the Millenium not full for a top tier match. Rather odd.
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Wales were a real shower, very disappointing.

Congrats to Australia, great start to a GS tour.
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Getting carried away by the Wobs performance is a bit premature. With that amount of ball, they should have put another 30 points on Wales.

Wales were just awful. Totally inept. 'Nuf said.
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fraz wrote: Pretty sure Dumbles and myself have been championing Timani and McMahon for a couple years now, you jumped on after fatty had to retire
Timani will get better, but no, he won't be another Kefu. Lacks the brutality, that instinct, you can't teach
Still can be a helluva player tho
Revisionist bullshit! I was a pioneer of the Timani train and took my fair share of ridicule for it.[/quote]


Me too Fraz and many knocked me down saying he was not ready and probably would not ever be........including Dumbles
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They have to stop playing him in the row in Melbourne
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Dumbledore wrote:
kearnstar wrote:
Dumbledore wrote:
Zakar wrote:Pretty good performance in all. Plenty to work on though.

I thought Hodge was good at 12. Not sure why people don't rate him. Good hands, defended well, took his try well.
I think he's fine, just nothing special. Although this is his first season of professional rugby, so he's got plenty of time to get better.
Disagree about the special, he has it all in spades. Big, fast, soft hands, good lines, mighty boot. Definitely potential to lock down #12 for the next 10 years

Then again, I'm a Rebs fan. But he hits like a mack truck and is muuuuuch quicker than you prolly think





/swoon
So am I, and the one starting the bandwagon for these things :lol: 12 has to be his position going forward, but I think he's going to get some serious competition from Simone and Perese, and Beale too come to think of it.
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I think what it shows more than anything is the lack of depth in the Wales camp- they will look a different team with AWJ, Faletau, Breadman, Davies, Williams back, who are tbf, their best players + a bit more game-time. The rest however, are distinctly average, I'm afraid.
It was reminiscent of the Wales/England match before the summer tour.

I think the key is to ditch Roberts. He is holding the team back in so many ways- he rarely breaks the gain line anymore, and his lack of pace is starting to make him vulnerable in defence when facing outside backs.
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Roberts did what he's been doing for Quins - passed the ball a lot.
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1/2P Ran for 9 meters :lol: :lol:

At fullback :lol: :lol:
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JM2K6 wrote:Roberts did what he's been doing for Quins - passed the ball a lot.
I noticed that. He actually has very soft hands when he allows himself to use them. Shame about his defensive performance though, I thought he had an absolute horrorshow in the first half in particular
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