Gats: "Anyone could coach the AB's to and 85% win record"

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Gats latest shot across the bows.............this tour is going to be fun.....

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Anyone except Gatland it seems.

Makes you wonder what the All Blacks could achieve with more capable coaching. ;)
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Except they haven't and couldn't. It's only been 2010 onwards that the All Blacks winning record has been off the charts. For that Hansen deserves a lot of credit.
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J Man wrote:Except they haven't and couldn't. It's only been 2010 onwards that the All Blacks winning record has been off the charts. For that Hansen deserves a lot of credit.
Henry's winning percentage was up around 85% and he took over after the 2003 RWC.
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Ali's Choice wrote:
J Man wrote:Except they haven't and couldn't. It's only been 2010 onwards that the All Blacks winning record has been off the charts. For that Hansen deserves a lot of credit.
Henry's winning percentage was up around 85% and he took over after the 2003 RWC.
Yeah, just looked on pick and go 2004-2011 and it's 85.4%. I just think that we have had two freakishly good coaches back to back.
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Hansen is at 92.2%
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He's certainly talking a good game. I can't see the ABs or Hansen taking much notice - probably just enough for a well timed barb at a later date if the opportunity arises.
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Not sure picking a fight with the NZ media/rugby public is the way to go on a lions tour. The country goes bonkers over these - the players will be suffocated not being able to leave their hotel rooms.
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J Man wrote:Not sure picking a fight with the NZ media/rugby public is the way to go on a lions tour. The country goes bonkers over these - the players will be suffocated not being able to leave their hotel rooms.
A bit harsh getting your service industry to asphyxiate players in their rooms.
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Jeff the Bear wrote:
J Man wrote:Not sure picking a fight with the NZ media/rugby public is the way to go on a lions tour. The country goes bonkers over these - the players will be suffocated not being able to leave their hotel rooms.
A bit harsh getting your service industry to asphyxiate players in their rooms.
Plan B is getting the coffee tables to beat them up.
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J Man wrote:Not sure picking a fight with the NZ media/rugby public is the way to go on a lions tour. The country goes bonkers over these - the players will be suffocated not being able to leave their hotel rooms.
The angry crowds with pitchforks and burning torches will smoke them out.
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Jeff the Bear wrote:
J Man wrote:Not sure picking a fight with the NZ media/rugby public is the way to go on a lions tour. The country goes bonkers over these - the players will be suffocated not being able to leave their hotel rooms.
A bit harsh getting your service industry to asphyxiate players in their rooms.
No need for 3rd parties. They'll choke on their own.
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Watch out for low flying dwarfs, dwarves, you know, little Queenstownians. :roll:
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Piss poor troll really. No one in world rugby has provided a successful 4 year build up to a world cup win devising particular plans and shown even remotely close to the AB's succession plan.
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Mitch was around 86%
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Brumby_in_Vic wrote:Mitch was around 86%
82%.

Thinking about it, there's probably only been a handful of NZ coaches with an 85% record. Hansen, Henry, Allen, Wylie would have. Possibly some others who only coached for a short period.
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Makes you wonder what kind of percentage a Drovers Dog would muster.
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guy smiley wrote:
Jeff the Bear wrote:
J Man wrote:Not sure picking a fight with the NZ media/rugby public is the way to go on a lions tour. The country goes bonkers over these - the players will be suffocated not being able to leave their hotel rooms.
A bit harsh getting your service industry to asphyxiate players in their rooms.
No need for 3rd parties. They'll choke on their own.

Because they're currently massive favourites :lol:
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Who was more successful with Wales? Gats or Hansen?
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The last couple of days have confirmed to me that Gatland is an inspired Lions coaching choice.
Even if we lose he's going to troll the NZ fans and coaches the whole way there and back. :lol:
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Do we have to have a new fred for each comment Sir Gats makes?
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Hats has lost the plot. Better he focuses on what's immediately ahead of him with his Welsh team. He is coming across as remarkably insecure.
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God bless Wikipedia
  • Name Years tests Won Drew Lost Win percentage
    Alex McDonald 1949 4 0 0 4 0%
    Tom Morrison 1950, 55–56 12 8 1 3 66.7%
    Len Clode 1951 3 3 0 0 100%
    Arthur Marslin 1953–54 5 3 0 2 60%
    Dick Everest 1957 2 2 0 0 100%
    Jack Sullivan 1958–60 11 6 1 4 54.5%
    Neil McPhail 1961–65 20 16 2 2 80%
    Ron Bush 1962 2 2 0 0 100%
    Sir Fred Allen 1966–68 14 14 0 0 100%
    Ivan Vodanovich 1969–71 10 4 1 5 40%
    Bob Duff 1972–73 8 6 1 1 75%
    John Stewart 1974–76 11 6 1 4 54.5%
    Jack Gleeson 1977–78 13 10 0 3 76.9%
    Eric Watson 1979–80 9 5 0 4 55.6%
    Peter Burke 1981–82 11 9 0 2 81.8%
    Bryce Rope 1983–84 12 9 1 2 75%
    Sir Brian Lochore 1985–87 18 14 1 3 77.8%
    Alex Wyllie 1988–91 29 25 1 3 86.2%
    Laurie Mains 1992–95 34 23 1 10 67.6%
    John Hart 1996–99 41 31 1 9 75.6%
    Wayne Smith 2000–01 17 12 0 5 70.6%
    John Mitchell 2002–03 28 23 1 4 82.1%
    Sir Graham Henry 2004–11 103 88 0 15 85.4%
    Steve Hansen 2012– 64 59 2 3 92.2%
Alex and Ivan really let the side down and Jack, John and Eric obviously just phoned it in
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Only reason NZ wins are off the chart is because SA and OZ have fallen in the crapper.

If NZ had to play in the 6N these last few years their win % would be lower than now.
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nardol wrote:Only reason NZ wins are off the chart is because SA and OZ have fallen in the crapper.

If NZ had to play in the 6N these last few years their win % would be lower than now.
NZ vs 6Ns since 2012= 96%
NZ vs SAF/AUS since 2012 = 84%
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naki wrote:
nardol wrote:Only reason NZ wins are off the chart is because SA and OZ have fallen in the crapper.

If NZ had to play in the 6N these last few years their win % would be lower than now.
NZ vs 6Ns since 2012= 96%
NZ vs SAF/AUS since 2012 = 84%
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nardol wrote:Only reason NZ wins are off the chart is because SA and OZ have fallen in the crapper.

If NZ had to play in the 6N these last few years their win % would be lower than now.

Nice bait......let's see how many take that
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I honestly think it would. A proper winter game in the NH means muddier pitches damper conditions which is a very big leveler. Just look at the last Ireland NZ game.
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Yeah because nz just doesn't have winter :uhoh:
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Lake Eden '75....my first live ab test :thumbup:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JtCn5nESB3M
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Wilderbeast wrote:Who was more successful with Wales? Gats or Hansen?
Gatland. By a country mile. 2 Grand Slams plus another 6N Championship and the semi-final of the 2011 RWC.

Hansen's biggest contribution was re-selecting Shane Williams after Henry dumped him out of the Wales squad.
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ok maybe im wrong on that point. I just think the attritional nature of the 6n would drag NZ down a notch or two.
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nardol wrote:ok maybe im wrong on that point. I just think the attritional nature of the 6n would drag NZ down a notch or two.
In eight weeks, we play Australia, South Africa, and Argentina home and away, with massive travel and time differences.

And you think five matches in the U.K., with one in Europe every second year, would grind the ABs down.

Right
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yes I do.
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nardol wrote:yes I do.
Boredom would get em eh?
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nardol wrote:ok maybe im wrong on that point. I just think the attritional nature of the 6n would drag NZ down a notch or two.
The attritional nature of a 5 match competition featuring lesser nations played in the same climate in venues that are all a few hours away from each other, versus a 6 match competition played on (essentially) four different continents with entirely different climates and grounds requiring literally weeks of travel time and featuring teams that have won 7 out of 8 RWC tournaments as well as a recent semi finalist?

Seriously, stick to the Irish rugby thread or some other ghetto
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Oh; he's some kind of eejit.

Apologies, readers
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naki wrote:Oh; he's some kind of eejit.

Apologies, readers
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naki wrote:
nardol wrote:ok maybe im wrong on that point. I just think the attritional nature of the 6n would drag NZ down a notch or two.
The attritional nature of a 5 match competition featuring lesser nations played in the same climate in venues that are all a few hours away from each other, versus a 6 match competition played on (essentially) four different continents with entirely different climates and grounds requiring literally weeks of travel time and featuring teams that have won 7 out of 8 RWC tournaments as well as a recent semi finalist?

Seriously, stick to the Irish rugby thread or some other ghetto
England are arguably France are better than SA and OZ at the moment.

Ireland and wales are on a par with the 2nd best team - oz. Its a valid argument - people getting a bit frustrated and making personal comments when im just here for a chat based on merit.
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Garland not wanting to coach the ABs anytime soon.?
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