Was this a clear try as the TMO said?

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The other option was a penalty try and yellow for Sexton.
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The reverse angle showed it. Pretty clear.

When interviewed, BB made it clear the real issue was he was showing off "being cheeky" and should have just dotted down a lot sooner.
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I thought it was a try.

However, the TMO was bluffing when he answered that he saw the ball touch the grass.
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Drag it forward a few frames yoyo.
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Nothing clear and obvious to say it wasn't a try. Move on.
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The trick is to accept that only one angle needs to show the ball being grounded. Being able to find one angle that doesn't show it being grounded doesn't trump an angle that does.
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Yep, that would have been a travesty if it were not awarded. The sort of disallowed try you would have seen back when South Africa supplied their own refs.
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Jay Cee Gee wrote:Image
Well done, lad. Game over.
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Not sure what that photo is supposed to prove but penalty try if he hadn't grounded so not to worry.
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Try with the Jay Cee Gee camera angle.

Or penalty try for the head high, take your pick
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Great effort by Sexton though
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I think it was most likely a try, but the TMO couldn't see a grounding.
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BBB wrote:The other option was a penalty try and yellow for Sexton.
Yeah, probably.
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YOYO wrote:
jdogscoop wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:Image
Well done, lad. Game over.
All I see is the white plaster on Barrett's left wrist. Sextons arm is under the ball.
How was he not yellow carded for that. Ffs!
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Nolanator wrote:
BBB wrote:The other option was a penalty try and yellow for Sexton.
Yeah, probably.
Didn't World Rugby just last week say they were going to take contact with the head more seriously? :?
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I suspect Barrett won't f'k around getting the ball down in future. If you can score without contact, score without contact FFS.
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YOYO wrote:
jdogscoop wrote:
Jay Cee Gee wrote:Image
Well done, lad. Game over.
All I see is the white plaster on Barrett's left wrist. Sextons arm is under the ball.
So.... you can see the ball that has been deflated so as not to be touching the ground, and you can see Sexton's arm under the ball?

You've been eating your carrots alright.
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The picture does not show Sextons hand under the ball though does it. It shows Barret holding the ball down on the ground therefore try.

Unfortunately for you the benefit of doubt goes to attacker unless there is conclusive proof that the try is not scored. The first picture has doubt the second has none. The TMO saw both so suck it up.
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Turbo, that angle doesn't show the ball touching the ground. It probably is, behind Sexton's arm, so I've no issue with the try being awarded, but that angle doesn't show it. The TMO was lying saying he could see a grounding though.


It's not really an issue though. Fair try, fair result.

If the ref had asked "any reason...", then take enough. But he didn't.
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From the images given here it have happened anywhere on the field. No tryline visible. Video link?
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Irish independent shows clear image of sexton under the ball.

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Jensrsa wrote:From the images given here it have happened anywhere on the field. No tryline visible. Video link?
https://youtu.be/ALS90VdFUO4
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Btw, I was trolling with that pic - it's Barrett's hand tape touching the ground in shot. I think there is a chance the ball grazed the ground there, but Barrett obv wasn't sure it did as he has another crack as he's going over the dead ball line.

Stupid play from him, should have scored before contact. As it happened he was bailed out by a sympathetic TMO call and possibly the head high which could have come into play if the grounding wasn't given.

On the subject of Barrett TMO calls, the 'knock on' when he stripped it and ran in - I can never keep track of the interpretation on those ones. I thought unless the tackler deliberately stripped or hit the ball out of the ball carrier's grasp, it's not a knock on? Or am I mis-remembering - OB, HK?
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Clear try. One angle showed Sextons arm under the ball. The other angle clearly shows end tip of ball on blade of grass. TMO got it right.
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Seriously though, the angle 40 seconds into that clip, definite grounding, I can't see why this is even an issue.

TMO bang on

Clear grounding
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Try. But Barrett was "stupid" not to dot down as soon as he went over the tryline.
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TheBouncer wrote:Not sure what that photo is supposed to prove but penalty try if he hadn't grounded so not to worry.
This ^^^
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Jay Cee Gee wrote:Btw, I was trolling with that pic - it's Barrett's hand tape touching the ground in shot. I think there is a chance the ball grazed the ground there, but Barrett obv wasn't sure it did as he has another crack as he's going over the dead ball line.

Stupid play from him, should have scored before contact. As it happened he was bailed out by a sympathetic TMO call and possibly the head high which could have come into play if the grounding wasn't given.

On the subject of Barrett TMO calls, the 'knock on' when he stripped it and ran in - I can never keep track of the interpretation on those ones. I thought unless the tackler deliberately stripped or hit the ball out of the ball carrier's grasp, it's not a knock on? Or am I mis-remembering - OB, HK?
He didn't strip the ball, he batted it out of the hand. Fair call and Barrett knew it too.
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Jensrsa wrote:Try. But Barrett was "stupid" not to dot down as soon as he went over the tryline.
He had to go nearer the posts, lack of confidence in our kicker.
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Mr Mike wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:Try. But Barrett was "stupid" not to dot down as soon as he went over the tryline.
He had to go nearer the posts, lack of confidence in our kicker.
It was almost a very costly showboat when he could easily have grounded it much earlier.
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vh5150 wrote:Clear try. One angle showed Sextons arm under the ball. The other angle clearly shows end tip of ball on blade of grass. TMO got it right.
Yep
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I don't think anyone is disputing that the try should have been awarded. Definite try.

The exchange between ref and TMO is what is puzzling.
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Tschussie wrote:I don't think anyone is disputing that the try should have been awarded. Definite try.

The exchange between ref and TMO is what is puzzling.
Yep.
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Hell of a try off first phase, it must be said.
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Tschussie wrote:I thought it was a try.

However, the TMO was bluffing when he answered that he saw the ball touch the grass.
Edit: You are correct.
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Mr Mike wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:Try. But Barrett was "stupid" not to dot down as soon as he went over the tryline.
He had to go nearer the posts, lack of confidence in our kicker.
Isn't he the kicker :)
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Jensrsa wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:Try. But Barrett was "stupid" not to dot down as soon as he went over the tryline.
He had to go nearer the posts, lack of confidence in our kicker.
Isn't he the kicker :)
Exactly
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Mr Mike wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:
Mr Mike wrote:
Jensrsa wrote:Try. But Barrett was "stupid" not to dot down as soon as he went over the tryline.
He had to go nearer the posts, lack of confidence in our kicker.
Isn't he the kicker :)
Exactly
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YOYO wrote:TMO bottled it.

Well yeah, that crowd was pretty feral - he'd have feared for his safety if he'd recommended a penalty try & yellow card.
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