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 Post subject: ARU bailout from WR
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 11:45 am 
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I'm assuming the $14.2m is not a loan; in which case good to see the old boys looking after themselves.

WR does f**k all to help the developing nations but then chucks millions at a union that gets itself into a hole through its own greed and incompetence. Braindead Billy and co obviously took their cue from Govts bailing out banks in 2008. The message is
- make money and keep/benefit from it
- but if you are one of the big boys and f**k up, everyone else will pay to fix your mess

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 Post subject: Re: ARU bailout from WR
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 11:52 am 
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 Post subject: Re: ARU bailout from WR
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 12:03 pm 
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:roll: https://www.world.rugby/news/568638?lang=en


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 Post subject: Re: ARU bailout from WR
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 5:18 pm 
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Rugby isn’t in a position where it can let the sport fail in certain markets in the hopes that it will catch on in others. You need to grow the small number of nations that can compete at the top. Cutting off Australia, or Italy as some suggest, wouldn’t achieve that. Elevating Japan is a good step though and I am all for Fiji or someone else from T2 being next in line.


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 Post subject: Re: ARU bailout from WR
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 6:33 pm 
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
I'm assuming the $14.2m is not a loan; in which case good to see the old boys looking after themselves.

WR does f**k all to help the developing nations but then chucks millions at a union that gets itself into a hole through its own greed and incompetence. Braindead Billy and co obviously took their cue from Govts bailing out banks in 2008. The message is
- make money and keep/benefit from it
- but if you are one of the big boys and f**k up, everyone else will pay to fix your mess

:thumbup:


What's the greed and incompetence though [apart from a ritual insult]? Australia has fallen victim to falling crowd numbers and TV revenues in a country where rugby's the third oval ball sport. Our player budget is half Engand's. I doubt our officials earn more than anyone else. What do you have in mind?


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 Post subject: Re: ARU bailout from WR
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 6:54 pm 
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Piss weak bailout.

Half a weeks salary for the SRUs ceo


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 Post subject: Re: ARU bailout from WR
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 7:13 pm 
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WR doling out A$160m and plenny of that to tier one. But that doling out is not free, it is loans plus payments brought forward.



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 Post subject: Re: ARU bailout from WR
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Torquemada 1420 wrote:
I'm assuming the $14.2m is not a loan; in which case good to see the old boys looking after themselves.

WR does f**k all to help the developing nations but then chucks millions at a union that gets itself into a hole through its own greed and incompetence. Braindead Billy and co obviously took their cue from Govts bailing out banks in 2008. The message is
- make money and keep/benefit from it
- but if you are one of the big boys and f**k up, everyone else will pay to fix your mess

:thumbup:


Weird post. Of course WR is going to supply loans to support member unions during a once in a century health crisis. Letting a major nation like Australia go broke based would be stupid. Is that what you are advocating WR does? Let the sport die off in some countries?


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 Post subject: Re: ARU bailout from WR
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 11:04 pm 
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An interesting fact in John O'Neil 's book (ex ARU CEO), the WR (IRB) would not permit Australia to make more than $40m from RWC'03. The fear was that Australia might become too powerful. That wasn't the case for France'07 or any other tournament afterwards. So IMO, WR owe RA. But it's a loan anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: ARU bailout from WR
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CrazyIslander wrote:
An interesting fact in John O'Neil 's book (ex ARU CEO), the WR (IRB) would not permit Australia to make more than $40m from RWC'03. The fear was that Australia might become too powerful. That wasn't the case for France'07 or any other tournament afterwards. So IMO, WR owe RA. But it's a loan anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: ARU bailout from WR
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Anonymous. wrote:
CrazyIslander wrote:
An interesting fact in John O'Neil 's book (ex ARU CEO), the WR (IRB) would not permit Australia to make more than $40m from RWC'03. The fear was that Australia might become too powerful. That wasn't the case for France'07 or any other tournament afterwards. So IMO, WR owe RA. But it's a loan anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: ARU bailout from WR
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Torq is just missing his weekly Super games bitch


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 Post subject: Re: ARU bailout from WR
PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2020 12:21 am 
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Letting pro rugby die in Australia would do more damage to emerging unions than diverting a small amount of funding.

If the pro game floods with unemployed Aussie super rugby players what do you think happens to all those players from emerging countries who are on marginal contracts?


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 Post subject: Re: ARU bailout from WR
PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2020 1:06 am 
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I can't actually believe that Torq actually started this thread, or that we are even having this discussion. Seems like a small amount of money to keep a major Tier 1 nation afloat, and it's a loan ffs.


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 Post subject: Re: ARU bailout from WR
PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2020 1:14 am 
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For 6 Nations and SANZAAR unions, the financial package will involve a combination of advances and loans, while World Rugby is also committed to supporting emerging nations and regional associations where required.

From Gavin's link.

Why is Oz being singled out?


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 Post subject: Re: ARU bailout from WR
PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2020 1:22 am 
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Self-centred NH attitude comes through time and time again. For a sport that sees itself a big player on the world stage with the "4th biggest event" line WR likes to use the game couldn't be more non aligned across the national unions, even with the small top tier club that control the game. The recent WR CEO vote proved that.
Real fans of the game should be concerned about this, the game has real structural problems in the shallows just below successful world cups. Pro leagues are shrinking and less opportunity for players to earn a living from the game.
But then these NH fans have shown on here that they don't really want a WC its all about the 6nations and everyone else can get stuffed.
You certainly dont get this attitude from other popular sports fans.


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 Post subject: Re: ARU bailout from WR
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The only trouble with Torq's post is, he forgot to ask why some of these tier 2 countries that get hand outs (and not loans like this) piss them against the wall and don't actuallu use it to pay players etc as they meant to. As Ali says why the f*** would WR not want to assist a main player, who like the other tier one nations are the reason WR has the money!!!


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 Post subject: Re: ARU bailout from WR
PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2020 1:51 am 
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Rugby needs Australia.

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 Post subject: Re: ARU bailout from WR
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deadduck wrote:
Letting pro rugby die in Australia would do more damage to emerging unions than diverting a small amount of funding.

If the pro game floods with unemployed Aussie super rugby players what do you think happens to all those players from emerging countries who are on marginal contracts?


This.


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 Post subject: Re: ARU bailout from WR
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 1:09 pm 
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6.Jones wrote:
Torquemada 1420 wrote:
I'm assuming the $14.2m is not a loan; in which case good to see the old boys looking after themselves.

WR does f**k all to help the developing nations but then chucks millions at a union that gets itself into a hole through its own greed and incompetence. Braindead Billy and co obviously took their cue from Govts bailing out banks in 2008. The message is
- make money and keep/benefit from it
- but if you are one of the big boys and f**k up, everyone else will pay to fix your mess

:thumbup:


What's the greed and incompetence though [apart from a ritual insult]? Australia has fallen victim to falling crowd numbers and TV revenues in a country where rugby's the third oval ball sport. Our player budget is half Engand's. I doubt our officials earn more than anyone else. What do you have in mind?

Trying to stay at the top table with an entirely unsustainable business model. It's akin to 95% of wendyball clubs in England.

How much was the god botherer being paid and then paid to f**k off?


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