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I'm all aboard the hype trainCM11 wrote:How Furlong goes in the scrums will be largely irrelevant. He's shown he can scrum well and against the ABs. The ABs themselves aren't a scrummaging side and won't learn how to become one in 6 months. As such, Furlong's power, workrate and mobility will be a vital cog if the Lions are to stand a chance.
They were shit..... But next week is another week. Win that and I think we will qualify. Our pack/9/10 are on fire...... Warms the cocklesredderneck wrote:Just in the door. I would just like it to be known that I don't have a gin &tonic on me at the moment t. Which is unusual.
Not a fit state to muse on anything specific but will.say that I never thought I'd see the day when a Tigers side would be so dam n passive. I'm a bit gobsmacked tbh.
Never a pen try for me BTW. Don't think Taute would have got there.
Need a cup of team. Bye.
I think Murray is 100% Gatlands preferred model of SH. Youngs is excellent when he clicks, but there have been just too many games in the last couple of years when he hasn't.Chuckles1188 wrote:Regarding Youngs v Murray, Youngs' last two tests were excellent and he's had a few other corkers in the last year and a bit - his MOTM for the crazy game last time we were at Twickenham for France was entirely deserved. Having said that the majority of Lions teams I've seen have been working on the assumption that Murray would start, rightly IMO.
As Gatland said himself, Murray started the last Lions tour as 3rd choice and ended it as 1st choice. Gatland really likes him. Long way to go though.fishfoodie wrote:I think Murray is 100% Gatlands preferred model of SH. Youngs is excellent when he clicks, but there have been just too many games in the last couple of years when he hasn't.Chuckles1188 wrote:Regarding Youngs v Murray, Youngs' last two tests were excellent and he's had a few other corkers in the last year and a bit - his MOTM for the crazy game last time we were at Twickenham for France was entirely deserved. Having said that the majority of Lions teams I've seen have been working on the assumption that Murray would start, rightly IMO.
Yeah it was. Taute was tackled off the ball and wasn't given a chance to ground it. The Laws take the offending player out of the equation as if he/she wasn't there. That's what occurred in the Munster v NZ Maori match.Never a pen try for me BTW. Don't think Taute would have got there.
and that his surname doesn't rhyme with Sautélemonhead wrote:Didn't hear the interviews with Rassie but looks like it's no secret.danny_fitz wrote:Like boiled ham and cabbageRWC2015 wrote:Munster + Taute. It just works.Premier Red wrote:With Sailli off contract at season end, it wouldn't surprise me to see Jaco back at start of next year (there's no doubt they've tried to get a pass from the irfu on this already I believe) particularly, if i'm not mistaken, western province are in big financial difficulty and in liquidation......he's the new Halstead and has really bought into Munster big time.
http://www.the42.ie/jaco-taute-munster- ... 3-Dec2016/
https://youtu.be/g5TTwN7vsjs?t=7m52s
Whoever is picked it won't be based on a head to head between the two where one pack was completely on top. I like Youngs but can't judge him on yesterday's performance.Chuckles1188 wrote:Regarding Youngs v Murray, Youngs' last two tests were excellent and he's had a few other corkers in the last year and a bit - his MOTM for the crazy game last time we were at Twickenham for France was entirely deserved. Having said that the majority of Lions teams I've seen have been working on the assumption that Murray would start, rightly IMO.
Well, never thought I'd see such nonsense from you.CM11 wrote:How Furlong goes in the scrums will be largely irrelevant. He's shown he can scrum well and against the ABs. The ABs themselves aren't a scrummaging side and won't learn how to become one in 6 months. As such, Furlong's power, workrate and mobility will be a vital cog if the Lions are to stand a chance.
Dork Lard wrote:Congratulations to the Munster fans. I've got personal ties with that province, have known to genuinely appreciate the people there whenever I've gone. Very real, simple, no bullshiit. No nonsense, non-pretentious. It's great to see the Rugby over there thrive when things seemed a bit bleak lately. This year marks a huge comeback for sure. Well done
Wut?Crash_12 wrote:Well, never thought I'd see such nonsense from you.CM11 wrote:How Furlong goes in the scrums will be largely irrelevant. He's shown he can scrum well and against the ABs. The ABs themselves aren't a scrummaging side and won't learn how to become one in 6 months. As such, Furlong's power, workrate and mobility will be a vital cog if the Lions are to stand a chance.
Emabarrassing performance from Leicester, back to the drawing board for them. I think the players and management should be taking a good hard look at themselves. You have to feel Cockerill is on borrowed time, the gameplan he's implementing is making good players like Cole, Youngs et al look like muck.
I must admit that when I think of the current ABs scrummaging is way down the list of potential threats they possess. Neither Franks nor Moody is a destructive scrummager, and Ireland dealt with them comfortably in both games. I'm not convinced that SAs scrum is the benchmark it was in the past so I wouldn't be relying on them to measure the quality of the ABs scrum.Crash_12 wrote:They're the most complete side I've seen in my lifetime. They can do everything, include shove teams off their own scrum ball. They've dished out several pastings to the Argie and Staffa units over the last 2/3 years.
I feel your unintentionally crafting a rod for Furlong's back.
Streets ahead is a common term, Harmon was a dick/moron in that interaction.Nieghorn wrote:Just watching the highlights, and I wondered if Austin is a fan of Community. He said Munster were "streets ahead"!
... if you have to ask, you're streets behind.
Torygraph.If questions needed to be asked of Jim Mallinder following Northampton’s heavy defeat by Leinster at Franklins Gardens on Friday night, they certainly do of Richard Cockerill following this humbling defeat for his Leicester Tigers team at the hands of a resurgent Munster at Thomond Park.
What a rout. The gulf in class, in intensity, was eye-watering, and it ended up yielding a couple of unwanted records, at least from Leicester’s perspective. This was the two-time champion’s heaviest margin of defeat in their proud European history. It was also the first time they had failed to register a point in a match in 13 years.
Furlong suffered a bit in SA when without Quin Roux's bulk and yet had no real trouble against NZ in fact Ireland should have been awarded a penalty try and not just a penalty from one scrum.Crash_12 wrote:Well, never thought I'd see such nonsense from you.CM11 wrote:How Furlong goes in the scrums will be largely irrelevant. He's shown he can scrum well and against the ABs. The ABs themselves aren't a scrummaging side and won't learn how to become one in 6 months. As such, Furlong's power, workrate and mobility will be a vital cog if the Lions are to stand a chance.
Emabarrassing performance from Leicester, back to the drawing board for them. I think the players and management should be taking a good hard look at themselves. You have to feel Cockerill is on borrowed time, the gameplan he's implementing is making good players like Cole, Youngs et al look like muck.
He is growing very quickly as excellent young players do. It is less than 12 months since he was dicked over in Paris playing a big part in the loss.lorcanoworms wrote:Furlong suffered a bit in SA when without Quin Roux's bulk and yet had no real trouble against NZ in fact Ireland should have been awarded a penalty try and not just a penalty from one scrum.Crash_12 wrote:Well, never thought I'd see such nonsense from you.CM11 wrote:How Furlong goes in the scrums will be largely irrelevant. He's shown he can scrum well and against the ABs. The ABs themselves aren't a scrummaging side and won't learn how to become one in 6 months. As such, Furlong's power, workrate and mobility will be a vital cog if the Lions are to stand a chance.
Emabarrassing performance from Leicester, back to the drawing board for them. I think the players and management should be taking a good hard look at themselves. You have to feel Cockerill is on borrowed time, the gameplan he's implementing is making good players like Cole, Youngs et al look like muck.
Yeah they didn't look remotely interested. How many high balls did they not even bother contesting? You could be right that it is only Sarries who have any interest in fighting on two fronts here.redderneck wrote:Lads, in the cold light of a gin hangover day, and taking the scorelines of Tigers v Glasgow and ourselves; I find myself reluctantly concluding that Cockerill is doing a French style 'fulfil the fixture' job on the Euro competition. He's choosing to fight his bread and butter fight. Husband his resources for one front as his rebuilding phase moves along.
I just cannot process the passivity yesteday in any other way which makes sense.
I reckon the AP sides bar Sarries who have the resources to service two campaigns, have followed the ruthlessly logical French approach...???
Oh next week will be a dogfight for sure. Even the 'not bothered' French sides fight to protect their home records and keep their punters sweet. It's just it seems clear to me Tigers didn't really give a shit; much and all as I'd like to think they did and we were just that good. This simply ain't the case...Boxcar Ira wrote:Yeah they didn't look remotely interested. How many high balls did they not even bother contesting? You could be right that it is only Sarries who have any interest in fighting on two fronts here.redderneck wrote:Lads, in the cold light of a gin hangover day, and taking the scorelines of Tigers v Glasgow and ourselves; I find myself reluctantly concluding that Cockerill is doing a French style 'fulfil the fixture' job on the Euro competition. He's choosing to fight his bread and butter fight. Husband his resources for one front as his rebuilding phase moves along.
I just cannot process the passivity yesteday in any other way which makes sense.
I reckon the AP sides bar Sarries who have the resources to service two campaigns, have followed the ruthlessly logical French approach...???
But next week should be different. On their home patch and a lot of wounded pride it will a different side hopefully.
I have a problem generally with player power muscle flexing. Rarely ends well and it's a shit sign when something gets so bad that it seems the logical solution. But I'd almost hope this might be the case here because the alternative is less palatable for Irish sides:DragsterDriver wrote:For me, tigers weren't trying. The return game should show if they're genuinely trying to get Cockhead sacked.
I love how you've gone from your totally unsupported pet theory about Leicester's woes into a full power conspiracy theory whingeredderneck wrote:I have a problem generally with player power muscle flexing. Rarely ends well and it's a shit sign when something gets so bad that it seems the logical solution. But I'd almost hope this might be the case here because the alternative is less palatable for Irish sides:DragsterDriver wrote:For me, tigers weren't trying. The return game should show if they're genuinely trying to get Cockhead sacked.
The English clubs have gone the way of the French, with only one Sarries/Toulon fully intent 9n fighting on two fronts; perhaps 2 more who will give it a.crack early on and reevaluate mid - group. The rest ticking boxes on away games and only caring about home fixtures.
My belief has been that the Spivs had zero intention of improving the European tournament nor of making it more fair or balanced. My gut feel is that they wanted most of all to depower and depopularise it so that the primacy of their domestic competition would go unchallenged. Pure and simple.
Shower of qweents.
I see your problem - your list doesn't feature masturbation (or cold remedies) which would alleviate some of the need for conspiracy, as long as it wasn't a very angry wank looking at a picture of Bruce Craig.redderneck wrote:But of course. It's a Sunday. Another week another winday and I have a gin hangover.
What else is there left to do?
The dog is walked. The shit is shat. Thoughts naturally turn to a spiv spitroast.
Thank you Dr.Sam. I trust you'll take a bunch of unwashed sold clagged carrots by way of payment? I'm waiting on my medical card.SamShark wrote:I see your problem - your list doesn't feature masturbation (or cold remedies) which would alleviate some of the need for conspiracy, as long as it wasn't a very angry wank looking at a picture of Bruce Craig.redderneck wrote:But of course. It's a Sunday. Another week another winday and I have a gin hangover.
What else is there left to do?
The dog is walked. The shit is shat. Thoughts naturally turn to a spiv spitroast.
Wasps, Leicester and Northampton have great history with European rugby - no chance they'd just decide to downplay it. The simple truth is both Tigers and Saints have been sliding for a while. It just gets exposed harder at European level, which is exactly how it should be.Boxcar Ira wrote:Wasps seem keen to be fair. I'd almost forgotten about them.
I think that is rubbish i don't think there is an intention to make European competition worse. Tigers just aren't very good this year plus a long list of injuries (JP Pietersen, Toomua, Tait Vieanu, Cole, Ayerza, Barrow, M Williams) and an uninspiring director of rugby. I'm not sure the decision to have an additional autumn international helps the English sides with their preparation either.redderneck wrote:I have a problem generally with player power muscle flexing. Rarely ends well and it's a shit sign when something gets so bad that it seems the logical solution. But I'd almost hope this might be the case here because the alternative is less palatable for Irish sides:DragsterDriver wrote:For me, tigers weren't trying. The return game should show if they're genuinely trying to get Cockhead sacked.
The English clubs have gone the way of the French, with only one Sarries/Toulon fully intent 9n fighting on two fronts; perhaps 2 more who will give it a.crack early on and reevaluate mid - group. The rest ticking boxes on away games and only caring about home fixtures.
My belief has been that the Spivs had zero intention of improving the European tournament nor of making it more fair or balanced. My gut feel is that they wanted most of all to depower and depopularise it so that the primacy of their domestic competition would go unchallenged. Pure and simple.
Shower of qweents.
Good to hear they wouldn't be down playing it. Clubs like that losing interest would be dreadful for rugby in Europe. I fully expect Leicester to come out swinging next week anyway. They seemed to be missing a few quality players as well most notably Cole.JM2K6 wrote:Wasps, Leicester and Northampton have great history with European rugby - no chance they'd just decide to downplay it. The simple truth is both Tigers and Saints have been sliding for a while. It just gets exposed harder at European level, which is exactly how it should be.Boxcar Ira wrote:Wasps seem keen to be fair. I'd almost forgotten about them.
I'd also say it's hardly a vintage year for the English league either; while we've seen Newcastle and Worcs improve it's not really making up for Saints / Tigers / Quins / Glaws / Exeter all being a bit pony and Bath still not back to the form of 2 years ago.
