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4mins 50 secs Eng v Fra, can't remember the last time i saw that.
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It's a skill that should only be used in an emergency.
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Here is the Master. I played for his President's Team a few times.

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globus wrote:Here is the Master. I played for his President's Team a few times.

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Sod off. The Master was: Frederick Pieter "Lammetjie" Luyt (26 February 1888 – 6 June 1965) followed by Danie Cruyven
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tbf - i think Globby is talking about the swan-dive pass
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Monk Zombie wrote:tbf - i think Globby is talking about the swan-dive pass
What's the difference? Genuine question.
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Tim. wrote:
Monk Zombie wrote:tbf - i think Globby is talking about the swan-dive pass
What's the difference? Genuine question.
i'm just taking the piss boet
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Tim. wrote:
Monk Zombie wrote:tbf - i think Globby is talking about the swan-dive pass
What's the difference? Genuine question.
One is graceful and dramatic, the other resembles a kettlebell swing and was necessary to propel wet heavy leather balls over 10 yards.
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Monk Zombie wrote:
Tim. wrote:
Monk Zombie wrote:tbf - i think Globby is talking about the swan-dive pass
What's the difference? Genuine question.
i'm just taking the piss boet
My bad, sorry. :lol:
Thought it was some old school technique I'd never heard of.
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One of the world's best scrum halves used the dive pass to great effect.

A pass that paved the way to SA being a nation united for a while.

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I'm not sure how to feel about seeing this photo today. :((
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troglodiet wrote:Best example. Beautifully executed. Most important dive pass in history.

By one of the best scrum halves in history.

Cause of the most Kiwias tears in history.

A pass that lead to SA being a nation united for a while.

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I'm not sure how to feel about seeing this photo today. :((



Edit. Wrong photo....
Sad end coming same as Jonah :(
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Those are dive passes! Proper ones.
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Laurent wrote:
troglodiet wrote:Best example. Beautifully executed. Most important dive pass in history.

By one of the best scrum halves in history.

Cause of the most Kiwias tears in history.

A pass that lead to SA being a nation united for a while.

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I'm not sure how to feel about seeing this photo today. :((



Edit. Wrong photo....
Sad end coming same as Jonah :(


If memory serves, the pass to Stransky that lead to the drop kick which won us the title was also a dive pass.

I was looking for that photo and didn't realise i actually posted a photo from the first game of the tournament, against Australia.

Still, both great and sad to see him at his best.

If anybody wants to question the dive pass by scrum halves, they just need to look at some clips of Joost's career highlights.
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CrazyIslander wrote:It's a skill that should only be used in an emergency.
Agreed. Chances of making it to the next breakdown as quickly as from a standing pass are unlikely.

As for types, there were actually a few according to an old rugby book I have:

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Danie Craven
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I had no idea they were nearly extinct. Things of beauty, like the spiral kick.
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Nieghorn wrote: Image
That's awesome. :thumbup:
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Smee wrote:
Nieghorn wrote: Image
That's awesome. :thumbup:
No. 3 ??
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Yourmother wrote:I had no idea they were nearly extinct. Things of beauty, like the spiral kick.
I used to hit them, I promise.

Laces to the top; hit it with a bit of side. Used to go straight then bend at the last moment amazingly.

Depends on the wind though. You don't hit them in a gale. Unless it's behind you.

I banged a stonker at Ipswich. In our 22. Ended up about 6 yards from their corner flag.

Line-out won against them and I fooled the 7. Nice try.

I was named "swivel hips" after that.
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The book also has a section on forwards dribbling
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How to stop the dribble attack ... and something else you don't see much any more: forwards staying on their feet in a ruck. :lol:

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globus wrote:
Yourmother wrote:I had no idea they were nearly extinct. Things of beauty, like the spiral kick.
I used to hit them, I promise.

Laces to the top; hit it with a bit of side. Used to go straight then bend at the last moment amazingly.

Depends on the wind though. You don't hit them in a gale. Unless it's behind you.

I banged a stonker at Ipswich. In our 22. Ended up about 6 yards from their corner flag.

Line-out won against them and I fooled the 7. Nice try.

I was named "swivel hips" after that.
I could kick them as well. But played in forwards myself so no opportunity to use it. Just occasionally you'd kick a peach, and it would just hit "the jetstream" and keep on flying for a mile.

What killed them? I think they're actually harder to catch than end over end. I guess it was the unpredictableness of them.
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Shame he didn't get on yesterday as Ali Price throws then evry now and then to keep the pace up.
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used to be a standard scrum half pass if you lost the nudge

muscle heads now, probably can't get their body into the position
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Its a Craven move ... best avoided these days ...
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Yourmother wrote:
globus wrote:
Yourmother wrote:I had no idea they were nearly extinct. Things of beauty, like the spiral kick.
I used to hit them, I promise.

Laces to the top; hit it with a bit of side. Used to go straight then bend at the last moment amazingly.

Depends on the wind though. You don't hit them in a gale. Unless it's behind you.

I banged a stonker at Ipswich. In our 22. Ended up about 6 yards from their corner flag.

Line-out won against them and I fooled the 7. Nice try.

I was named "swivel hips" after that.
I could kick them as well. But played in forwards myself so no opportunity to use it. Just occasionally you'd kick a peach, and it would just hit "the jetstream" and keep on flying for a mile.

What killed them? I think they're actually harder to catch than end over end. I guess it was the unpredictableness of them.
They go further but there's far less margin of error and accuracy than on an end-over-end punt. Willie le Roux still does them now and then and ends up slicing them straight out half the time.
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I assume it has died because of the need for the scrum half to be on their feet, sweeping and popping up for offloads. A shame, one of the first proper rugby techniques I was taught.
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Botha Boy wrote:Its a Craven move ... best avoided these days ...
Danie did it because he was a little guy, and it was the only way he could get a long, fast pass.
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Fangle wrote:
Botha Boy wrote:Its a Craven move ... best avoided these days ...
Danie did it because he was a little guy, and it was the only way he could get a long, fast pass.
He apparently played no.8 in one test???
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Fangle wrote:
Botha Boy wrote:Its a Craven move ... best avoided these days ...
Danie did it because he was a little guy, and it was the only way he could get a long, fast pass.
His was the first rugby coaching manual i read back in the ... 70's/80's ... but the dive pass was exalted as the ultimate way for a scrum-half to get the ball away.

It also had great tips about how to form around the line-out catcher to form a driving maul and how to slyly pass the ball to the first player in the line-out when the opposition is not suspecting ...



Its all discredited for me, now that I realise that the dive pass is a busted flush ... :o :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Uncle Fester wrote:
Fangle wrote:
Botha Boy wrote:Its a Craven move ... best avoided these days ...
Danie did it because he was a little guy, and it was the only way he could get a long, fast pass.
He apparently played no.8 in one test???
Anyone?
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Uncle Fester wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
Fangle wrote:
Botha Boy wrote:Its a Craven move ... best avoided these days ...
Danie did it because he was a little guy, and it was the only way he could get a long, fast pass.
He apparently played no.8 in one test???
Anyone?
sounds legit
He came late to rugby; barefoot on the farm, Craven played soccer as a boy and did not turn to the oval ball until he was 13. But he became one of the most versatile international players there has been, making his name as a dive-passing scrum- half but also playing for South Africa at centre, outside-half and No 8: the four different positions in four games against Australia in 1933.
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My first year of rugby when I was 7 or 8 years old I was a SH. (The next year became a hooker FFS).

I remember only doing the dive pass. Loved it!!
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