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badmannotinjapan: "My gut is TR is a faster all round 'boat"


Well, we're all about to find out - T-15 mins to kick off
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Half way and ETNZ lead by 19 seconds. ETNZ looking good on that beautiful boat.
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ETNZ looks to be sailing well within itself.
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Luna Rossa look very comfortable in race two. ETNZ haven’t had the pace and have made a couple of small errors. The commentary team are still positive but the lead is nearing 450m.
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Complete reverse of Race 1.
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It looks like we’ve got a contest on our hands. They’ve got a couple of days off now, don’t they? Adjustments from here will be interesting.
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JB1981 wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:40 am It looks like we’ve got a contest on our hands. They’ve got a couple of days off now, don’t they? Adjustments from here will be interesting.
One day off and then they will race everyday till the end
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Kiwias wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:31 am Complete reverse of Race 1.
Not quite, ETNZ finished 100m behind whereas LR finished over 500m, without those two mistakes during the race they would have been right in it, LR didn’t make any mistakes in the first one and still weren’t within cooee

Edit: this comment come from someone from a landlocked country so should be taken with a rather large pinch of salt
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Farken pissed off. A monumental fark up at the start and that's the race.
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JB1981 wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:40 am It looks like we’ve got a contest on our hands. They’ve got a couple of days off now, don’t they? Adjustments from here will be interesting.
Can't make any to the boat.
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jambanja wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:48 am
Kiwias wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:31 am Complete reverse of Race 1.
Not quite, ETNZ finished 100m behind whereas LR finished over 500m, without those two mistakes during the race they would have been right in it, LR didn’t make any mistakes in the first one and still weren’t within cooee

Edit: this comment come from someone from a landlocked country so should be taken with a rather large pinch of salt
My comment was posted mid-race and by the end, I bet that LR could have heard ETNZ chasing them down, something that did not happen in Race 1, as you noted.
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So it seems we don’t have any major speed advantage for now

I guess that makes a lot of it down to the skill of the respective teams.. which should make for a good competitive cup
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Just watched the first day racing and I was really surprised to see LR win the second race. ETNZ have a quicker boat but as Ineos found out to their cost LR are slippery in their manoeuvres and can out sail the other boat if they get the lead off the line. Sets up for a really interesting series.

I am emotionally invested in a Kiwi win because I heard a rumour that they could choose Ineos as the challenger of record. I have high hopes for the future of the AC if that happens because the intention is to reduce the budget so more teams can enter and to ensure a more level playing field which will result in better racing.
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The first race showed ETNZ was better during the tacks. The trend is going to be, get in front at the start, win the race. I still then TR is faster. She was able to extend once she got in front as per race one.
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If you looked closely at the VMG's (the most important gauge in sailing) in the 1st race ETNZ was 2-3 knots above the VMG from LR but in the 2nd race in slightly higher winds (where ETNZ was to be favoured) the VMG's were very similar and sometimes even LR ahead.

So it seems LR used a different Jib in the 2nd race to get that advantage, now lets see what ETNZ will have to develop to counter it.
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JPNZ wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:20 pm If you looked closely at the VMG's (the most important gauge in sailing) in the 1st race ETNZ was 2-3 knots above the VMG from LR but in the 2nd race in slightly higher winds (where ETNZ was to be favoured) the VMG's were very similar and sometimes even LR ahead.

So it seems LR used a different Jib in the 2nd race to get that advantage, now lets see what ETNZ will have to develop to counter it.
They actually both changed jibs (went down a size). And their cut and size looked really similar to each others, in both races.

I noticed that VMG as well. Not sure what happened, but LR were the better boat in the second race with the exception of the last leg and a half.
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The trend is though, win the start, win the race.
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Race 3 is murder.

We are done in these airs

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We are f**ked. I was so sure we would do the job. Gone by Sunday. This is embarrassing.
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Dicked !!!
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badmannotinjapan wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:53 am We are f**ked. I was so sure we would do the job. Gone by Sunday. This is embarrassing.
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ETNZ's vmg downwind is a good 2 knots faster than Prada's.

The trouble is they're pretty even upwind and just can't get past if they get behind


I think what would improve these races is longer but fewer legs to really allow these boats to take advantage of their boat speed
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Race 4 was all TeamNZ - it seems that if you get your nose in front, the race is over if you don't make a mistake
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Kiwias wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:26 am
badmannotinjapan wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:53 am We are f**ked. I was so sure we would do the job. Gone by Sunday. This is embarrassing.
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Enzedder wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:53 am Race 4 was all TeamNZ - it seems that if you get your nose in front, the race is over if you don't make a mistake
I may have been vindicated in my statement that TR is a faster boat by virtue of the fact they can really extend when in the lead but not fast enough if slightly behind. This can't go to a final race. I'll explode by then.
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deadduck wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:40 am ETNZ's vmg downwind is a good 2 knots faster than Prada's.

The trouble is they're pretty even upwind and just can't get past if they get behind


I think what would improve these races is longer but fewer legs to really allow these boats to take advantage of their boat speed
What do you reckon is the top speed they are capable of?
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I think the fastest I've seen is about 53 knots or just under 100 kph

The trailing boat just doesn't have enough time on each leg to catch up and pass unless the other boat screws up technically or tactically
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deadduck wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:54 am I think the fastest I've seen is about 53 knots or just under 100 kph

The trailing boat just doesn't have enough time on each leg to catch up and pass unless the other boat screws up technically or tactically
That definitely seems to be the story of this competition.
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Kiwias wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:38 am
deadduck wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:54 am I think the fastest I've seen is about 53 knots or just under 100 kph

The trailing boat just doesn't have enough time on each leg to catch up and pass unless the other boat screws up technically or tactically
That definitely seems to be the story of this competition.
Is the port entry sequence now locked in stone or flip a coin each day? If it continues on this pattern all the way through anyone worked out who gets to 7 first?
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If it is the same sequence as today, LR do. :o :o
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Enzedder wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:12 am If it is the same sequence as today, LR do. :o :o
Was watching on the international feed (much much better commentary than tvnz), and they had tnz as port entry tomorrow. If it flips each day I think we get first dibs on the match point day
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I don't believe the entry determines who wins the start. I think we need to win the next two to get going.
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deadduck wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:54 am I think the fastest I've seen is about 53 knots or just under 100 kph

The trailing boat just doesn't have enough time on each leg to catch up and pass unless the other boat screws up technically or tactically
I heard they were confirmed at 57.
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Well feck
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Monkey Magic wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:18 am Well feck
Total balls-up of the start by ETNZ
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Oh well I guess losing the cup to Italy isn't as bad as losing the cup to a landlocked country like we did in 2003.
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Did we offend the sailing mocker gods with all the talk about hosting the next America's Cup offshore rather than in Auckland when we hadn't even won the current event yet?
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The LR team is very very smooth and controlled.
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I have a noob question...

Are there ever lead changes or close races (where the lead is -100) in this type of racing? It seems every race is just one team leading another and a procession to the finish, like the Monaco GP
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vintage_cox wrote: Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:47 am I have a noob question...

Are there ever lead changes or close races (where the lead is -100) in this type of racing? It seems every race is just one team leading another and a procession to the finish, like the Monaco GP
In traditional races yes, but so far it seems like the boat who wins the start can keep the boat behind them under control by giving them poor air and forcing them to tack barring a cock up of some sort. I can't remember if that was the case in the challenger series or not.
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