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Posted: **Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:18 pm**

terryfinch wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:32 pm
Kiwias wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:55 am 5 - 3 to the good guys.

LR will be gutted.
LR threw away both those races through errors. Must be gutted!

I'm not sure threw away is the right term. Maybe they could have covered TNZ better in the first race, but TNZ definitely looked to have the faster boat in those conditions and it was going to be a big ask to hold them out fir the whole race. There wasn't the huge wind shadow created by the lead bost that we had seen in earlier races.

And while LR coming of the foils gave TNZ the second race, if they hadn't we would have been talking about TNZ's drop off having cost them the race just as it looked like they were going to fly past LR.

Race 2 really highlighted how quickly fortunes can change.

Posted: **Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:53 pm**

Watching the press conference looks like Prada were a bit pissed at themselves for the first race.

Lot of comments about a strong review and also a comment from Bruni that they weren't going as fast as they were after 'for reasons I won't go into '

Maybe they had a bit of a glitch onboard whether human or mechanical

Posted: **Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:45 pm**

Sail choice perhaps? Although the did say they were happy with their choice after race one.

Just seen someone predicting 10 to 15 knot wind speeds later today. Hope that's correct.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:29 am**

terryfinch wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:32 pm
Kiwias wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:55 am 5 - 3 to the good guys.

LR will be gutted.
LR threw away both those races through errors. Must be gutted!

Yeah nah

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:51 am**

Neck and neck racing

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:54 am**

LR in charge. But this is still anyones.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:00 am**

Defensive masterclass from LR.

Wimd is all over the place. The commentators description of it as a minefield seems appropriate.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:07 am**

Big wind shift for TNZ sees them take the lead into the last leg.

I going back behind the couch!

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:09 am**

Spithill took the wrong side of the course there

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:10 am**

guy smiley wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:08 am That was just savage

How many more gears does ETNZ have????

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:13 am**

Kiwias wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:09 am Spithill took the wrong side of the course there

I think the commentary team can hear the coms from the boats. They said something about LR deciding they didn't have space to tack over TNZ at that last split and keep control of that side.

Anyway, amazing race!

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:19 am**

Fat Old Git wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:13 am
Kiwias wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:09 am Spithill took the wrong side of the course there
I think the commentary team can hear the coms from the boats. They said something about LR deciding they didn't have space to tack over TNZ at that last split and keep control of that side.

Anyway, amazing race!

Burling called it "epic racing".

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:22 am**

guy smiley wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:21 am
Kiwias wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:10 am
guy smiley wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:08 am That was just savage
How many more gears does ETNZ have????
I was thinking more about the tactic to hold that one side picking up the breeze that came out of nowhere... Spithill just couldn't make it in time to tack onto them.

Yes, total agreement but I do love the way ETNZ can suddenly find a burst of speed that LR can't stay with.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:22 am**

A bit bloody exciting watching this isn't it fellas?

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:35 am**

Dan54. wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:22 am A bit bloody exciting watching this isn't it fellas?

One more ETNZ. I'm not sure my heart can take any more than that!

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:36 am**

10 minutes to go. Erk! Let's do this ETNZ!!!

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:43 am**

Wind shift meaning the marks have to be shifted. New start time 17.55.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:48 am**

Fat Old Git wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:35 am
Dan54. wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:22 am A bit bloody exciting watching this isn't it fellas?

One more ETNZ. I'm not sure my heart can take any more than that!

Just asked wife if she knew how to get my heart restarted if needed!

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:51 am**

We're coming back tomorrow, lads.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:52 am**

Where are my blood pressure pills!

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:00 am**

Dan54. wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:48 am
Fat Old Git wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:35 am
Dan54. wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:22 am A bit bloody exciting watching this isn't it fellas?

One more ETNZ. I'm not sure my heart can take any more than that!
Just asked wife if she knew how to get my heart restarted if needed!

Mine just wants the bank account numbers.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:03 am**

badmannotinjapan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:00 am
Dan54. wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:48 am
Fat Old Git wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:35 am
Dan54. wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:22 am A bit bloody exciting watching this isn't it fellas?

One more ETNZ. I'm not sure my heart can take any more than that!
Just asked wife if she knew how to get my heart restarted if needed!
Mine just wants the bank account numbers.

Mine has control of our bank accounts. Whoops!!

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:06 am**

Kiwias wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:03 am
badmannotinjapan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:00 am
Dan54. wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:48 am
Fat Old Git wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:35 am
Dan54. wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:22 am A bit bloody exciting watching this isn't it fellas?

One more ETNZ. I'm not sure my heart can take any more than that!
Just asked wife if she knew how to get my heart restarted if needed!
Mine just wants the bank account numbers.
Mine has control of our bank accounts. Whoops!!

Yeah but you're assimilated Japanese. I'll be surprised you know where your undies are kept.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:39 am**

Two pretty awesome days of racing.

One part of me want Luna Rossa to win tomorrow to keep the regatta going- especially if there is more wind on Thursday

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:11 pm**

Ugh. Luna Rossa threw that last race away. They had sailed so well up until that tack. They over-played their hand and ETNZ sailed into that right hand wind-shift which the commentators had been calling on the chase boat and helicopter... so why didn't Jimmy and his mates see what everyone else could?

It's going to be very hard for LR to come back from here as they're not going to gain an extra 2 knots in the shed and they're forever one tactical error away from being left for dead. ETNZ just sailing smart - confident in the knowledge the have a quicker boat and even when they are beaten off the line they are never out of it.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:21 pm**

Plenty of kids out there who are probably hooked on this. Great fun to watch for people like me who don't have a clue about sailing.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:56 pm**

badmannotinjapan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:06 am
Kiwias wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:03 am
badmannotinjapan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:00 am
Dan54. wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:48 am
Fat Old Git wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:35 am

One more ETNZ. I'm not sure my heart can take any more than that!
Just asked wife if she knew how to get my heart restarted if needed!
Mine just wants the bank account numbers.
Mine has control of our bank accounts. Whoops!!
Yeah but you're assimilated Japanese. I'll be surprised you know where your undies are kept.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:10 pm**

Auckman wrote:[/code]1 time=1615893717 user_id=205]
Plenty of kids out there who are probably hooked on this. Great fun to watch for people like me who don't have a clue about sailing.

And older kids like me... every four years I have to re-lookup the definitions of tack and gybe... and port and starboard...

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:12 pm**

Grandpa wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:10 pm
Auckman wrote:[/code]1 time=1615893717 user_id=205]
Plenty of kids out there who are probably hooked on this. Great fun to watch for people like me who don't have a clue about sailing.
And older kids like me... every four years I have to re-lookup the definitions of tack and gybe... and port and starboard...

Four letters in Port and Left.

Always completely lost by the Colregs which say who has to stand on and who has to give way, depending on who is on port and starboard tack....

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:25 pm**

Monkey Magic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:39 am Two pretty awesome days of racing.

One part of me want Luna Rossa to win tomorrow to keep the regatta going- especially if there is more wind on Thursday

Be careful what you wish for, one year the kiwis were up 6 - 0 I think and proceeded to lose the next 7 races

Well I found it amusing given the Kiwi press at the time were beside themselves with self congratulations.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:32 pm**

Salient wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:25 pm
Monkey Magic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:39 am Two pretty awesome days of racing.

One part of me want Luna Rossa to win tomorrow to keep the regatta going- especially if there is more wind on Thursday
Be careful what you wish for, one year the kiwis were up 6 - 0 I think and proceeded to lose the next 7 races Well I found it amusing given the Kiwi press at the time were beside themselves with self congratulations.

It was 2013 in San Fran. Up 8-1, first to 9. Lost 9-8. I remember oh so painfully well. That scar tissue is deep.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:48 pm**

guy smiley wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:36 pm
Salient wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:25 pm
Monkey Magic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:39 am Two pretty awesome days of racing.

One part of me want Luna Rossa to win tomorrow to keep the regatta going- especially if there is more wind on Thursday
Be careful what you wish for, one year the kiwis were up 6 - 0 I think and proceeded to lose the next 7 races Well I found it amusing given the Kiwi press at the time were beside themselves with self congratulations.
8-1 up and within reach of winning when the race was cancelled due to time limits. They then lost the next 8 races.

The commentators on TVNZ with the exception of the experienced competition sailors on the panel, are in full crow mode and have been for a few days.

gs, was it race 10? I thought it was about race 12. Either way, gutting.

Thankfully it's YouTube channel for me and they have no skin in the game so a decent balanced thought process. It was always gonna be close either way, and I've seen nothing that has changed my mind.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:10 pm**

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:12 pm Four letters in Port and Left.

Yes but Port doesn't always mean Left

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:13 pm**

guy smiley wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:36 pm
Salient wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:25 pm
Monkey Magic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:39 am Two pretty awesome days of racing.

One part of me want Luna Rossa to win tomorrow to keep the regatta going- especially if there is more wind on Thursday
Be careful what you wish for, one year the kiwis were up 6 - 0 I think and proceeded to lose the next 7 races Well I found it amusing given the Kiwi press at the time were beside themselves with self congratulations.
8-1 up and within reach of winning when the race was cancelled due to time limits. They then lost the next 8 races.

The commentators on TVNZ with the exception of the experienced competition sailors on the panel, are in full crow mode and have been for a few days.

Thankfully I've been able to get away from tvnz as it's an absolute shitshow of coverage.

Go to americascup.com they have a great panel of commentators, they proved insight but also leave it up to to onboard comms of the sailors to tell the story at times. It's free, no geo block etc. Only kiwi is Steven mcivor and he does a great job of asking a question then leaves it to the experts to talk. Tvnz has become unwatchable

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:16 pm**

guy smiley wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:58 pm It was race 13... I can't remember the background there clearly, there had been plenty of non results, possibly due to no wind?

One of the factors quoted in the aftermath was that NZ had designed a fantastic boat but failed to account for the wind conditions at that time of year and were done in by local knowledge... something I think we could say was a factor in yesterday's race.

We had them on the ropes 8-1 and should have kept our foot on their throats and gone for the kill but Oracle requested a layday. We should have refused but we allowed it and Oracle hauled their boat out of the water and made some modifications that added a click or two of extra speed. They now had the faster boat and it seemed their was nothing we could do. Even when we won the starts they would just sail past us. Gut wrenching to watch. A bit like being an All Black fan when Taine Randell was captain.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:37 pm**

booji boy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:16 pm
guy smiley wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:58 pm It was race 13... I can't remember the background there clearly, there had been plenty of non results, possibly due to no wind?

One of the factors quoted in the aftermath was that NZ had designed a fantastic boat but failed to account for the wind conditions at that time of year and were done in by local knowledge... something I think we could say was a factor in yesterday's race.
We had them on the ropes 8-1 and should have kept our foot on their throats and gone for the kill but Oracle requested a layday. We should have refused but we allowed it and Oracle hauled their boat out of the water and made some modifications that added a click or two of extra speed. They now had the faster boat and it seemed their was nothing we could do. Even when we won the starts they would just sail past us. Gut wrenching to watch. A bit like being an All Black fan when Taine Randell was captain.

If I remember correctly the change allowed then to tack better while staying on the foils. There were some questions about what the modification may have been (something automatically controlled rather than being a manual operation) if that was actually legal.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:42 pm**

Gospel wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:11 pm Ugh. Luna Rossa threw that last race away. They had sailed so well up until that tack. They over-played their hand and ETNZ sailed into that right hand wind-shift which the commentators had been calling on the chase boat and helicopter... so why didn't Jimmy and his mates see what everyone else could?

It's going to be very hard for LR to come back from here as they're not going to gain an extra 2 knots in the shed and they're forever one tactical error away from being left for dead. ETNZ just sailing smart - confident in the knowledge the have a quicker boat and even when they are beaten off the line they are never out of it.

It was before then that the damage was done. They had covered ETNZ well in a defensive masterclass, but once ETNZ managed to head a different way out of the mark and get some separation they were able to build enough speed to prevent LR from covering them.

The commentary team talked about the discussion on LR and how they decided they didn't have enough speed or distance to be able to tack over ETNZ and cover them. So they had a choice of throwing in an extra tack that was likely to be ineffective or heading to the other side and gambling that they would maintain speed and perhaps get a favorable wind shift.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:52 pm**

Fat Old Git wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:37 pm
booji boy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:16 pm
guy smiley wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:58 pm It was race 13... I can't remember the background there clearly, there had been plenty of non results, possibly due to no wind?

One of the factors quoted in the aftermath was that NZ had designed a fantastic boat but failed to account for the wind conditions at that time of year and were done in by local knowledge... something I think we could say was a factor in yesterday's race.
We had them on the ropes 8-1 and should have kept our foot on their throats and gone for the kill but Oracle requested a layday. We should have refused but we allowed it and Oracle hauled their boat out of the water and made some modifications that added a click or two of extra speed. They now had the faster boat and it seemed their was nothing we could do. Even when we won the starts they would just sail past us. Gut wrenching to watch. A bit like being an All Black fan when Taine Randell was captain.
If I remember correctly the change allowed then to tack better while staying on the foils. There were some questions about what the modification may have been (something automatically controlled rather than being a manual operation) if that was actually legal.

From memory no one had really been able to start foiling properly upwind, and then they did it.

Throw in the time limit race, the lay day and the Dalton rumours and it all turned to custard

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:09 pm**

Monkey Magic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:52 pm
Fat Old Git wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:37 pm
booji boy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:16 pm
guy smiley wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:58 pm It was race 13... I can't remember the background there clearly, there had been plenty of non results, possibly due to no wind?

One of the factors quoted in the aftermath was that NZ had designed a fantastic boat but failed to account for the wind conditions at that time of year and were done in by local knowledge... something I think we could say was a factor in yesterday's race.
We had them on the ropes 8-1 and should have kept our foot on their throats and gone for the kill but Oracle requested a layday. We should have refused but we allowed it and Oracle hauled their boat out of the water and made some modifications that added a click or two of extra speed. They now had the faster boat and it seemed their was nothing we could do. Even when we won the starts they would just sail past us. Gut wrenching to watch. A bit like being an All Black fan when Taine Randell was captain.
If I remember correctly the change allowed then to tack better while staying on the foils. There were some questions about what the modification may have been (something automatically controlled rather than being a manual operation) if that was actually legal.
From memory no one had really been able to start foiling properly upwind, and then they did it.

Throw in the time limit race, the lay day and the Dalton rumours and it all turned to custard

What were the rumours about Dalton?

If the latest ones about taking the cup offshore (if they win today) are true, Dalton will cop it from the NZ public. You'll see a reaction similar to what Coutts copped when he decided to join the opposition after the NZ public supported TNZ so well.

It will be seen as a kick in the teeth.

Posted: **Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:26 pm**

Especially since the NZ Govt and Auckland Council have invested so much cash to keep it here for all the purported economic benefits.

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