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Which way will you vote?

Conservative
74
31%
Labour
36
15%
Liberal Democrats
50
21%
UKIP
8
3%
Scottish National Party
7
3%
Greens
7
3%
Democratic Unionist Party
2
1%
Plaid Cymru
9
4%
Sinn Fein
19
8%
Gavin Henson/Other
24
10%
 
Total votes: 236

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openclashXX wrote:May is getting absolutely savaged on social media, Corbyn literally didn't have to do anything except turn up to the debates and keep relatively quiet in order to release an avalanche of shit online at May
I guess now we know why he changed his mind.
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Wendigo7 wrote:
paddyor wrote:
dr dre2 wrote:The worrying thing is that YouGov are using massive sample sizes compared to the others and in my mind that is to counter some of the mistakes made on Brexit where for me the samples were too small. YouGov have done 2x 50k+ polls in the last week. Everyone else is still doing 1-2k. Except for Survey Monkey who did 19k and showed a 6 point lead for cons. YG were +3 & +4.

But the real story here is that Leanne Wood is an absolute Cu#t.
I can't remember which one but didn't one of the Scottish posters explain to you that the sample sizes didn't matter beyond a certain point.
I remember that paddyor.

I think someone said over 2,000 and it didn't overly matter wasn't it?
Yes I disagree and I gave the reasons. Without going in to it too far. If you dilute that 2000 in to demographics. The pool gets shallower. While 2000 may be more than sufficient for one demo. The cleverer and more intricate you try to be the shallower you make each pool. If you have 100 demos you really just have 100 polls with a sample of just 20. You can misrepresent a group easily. But I was classing 2000 as a deep poll, some were 600, 800, 900.

What happened? The polls were wrong, very wrong.

If you remember I stripped out all the polls under 2000 deep and showed the comparison for all time against all those under. If the sample size doesn't matter statistically they should show the same result within the margin of error.

Did they? No. The shallow polls showed remain with something like a 10 point lead.

Clearly there is something wrong there if you want your claim to be true. They should be the same if it is. I'm suggesting dilution through demo. Try to think for yourself

What did the deep polls show? Brexit within a point or two, within the margin of error of victory.
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Cameron had already shown himself well able to mix it. he had been PM for 5 yrs and decided he should remain Prime Ministerial.

May has neither shown that she can mix it, or be Prime Ministerial.
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Wendigo7 wrote:
paddyor wrote:
dr dre2 wrote:The worrying thing is that YouGov are using massive sample sizes compared to the others and in my mind that is to counter some of the mistakes made on Brexit where for me the samples were too small. YouGov have done 2x 50k+ polls in the last week. Everyone else is still doing 1-2k. Except for Survey Monkey who did 19k and showed a 6 point lead for cons. YG were +3 & +4.

But the real story here is that Leanne Wood is an absolute Cu#t.
I can't remember which one but didn't one of the Scottish posters explain to you that the sample sizes didn't matter beyond a certain point.
I remember that paddyor.

I think someone said over 2,000 and it didn't overly matter wasn't it?
Over 1,000 and you ought to be not far out.

Sampling size is fundamentally irrelevant. A representative sample is way more important, and I think most pollsters would argue that it gets harder to ensure that your polling group is representative as it gets larger.

Last time out the polls were out by a couple of points only, so assuming that things haven't radically changed then you would expect them to be more or less in the same place - so if you then have a polling organisation doing something very different, in this case abnormally large polls, and them getting results that are radically at odds with everyone else, you might want to question their methodology rather than assume that they must be the more accurate because they're "doing something different"
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I'm just going to put it out here (anecdotally of course) that many of my Remain voting ex colleagues from London who were strongly inclined to vote LD at the start of this campaign are now fully on the Corbyn bandwagon, the ones that sent off their postal votes have already cast their vote for the dear leader

It feels like a tidal wave of support building up for Corbyn now and there's still over a week to go, I'm genuinely bricking it
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Saint wrote:
Wendigo7 wrote:
paddyor wrote:
dr dre2 wrote:The worrying thing is that YouGov are using massive sample sizes compared to the others and in my mind that is to counter some of the mistakes made on Brexit where for me the samples were too small. YouGov have done 2x 50k+ polls in the last week. Everyone else is still doing 1-2k. Except for Survey Monkey who did 19k and showed a 6 point lead for cons. YG were +3 & +4.

But the real story here is that Leanne Wood is an absolute Cu#t.
I can't remember which one but didn't one of the Scottish posters explain to you that the sample sizes didn't matter beyond a certain point.
I remember that paddyor.

I think someone said over 2,000 and it didn't overly matter wasn't it?
Over 1,000 and you ought to be not far out.

Sampling size is fundamentally irrelevant. A representative sample is way more important, and I think most pollsters would argue that it gets harder to ensure that your polling group is representative as it gets larger.

Last time out the polls were out by a couple of points only, so assuming that things haven't radically changed then you would expect them to be more or less in the same place - so if you then have a polling organisation doing something very different, in this case abnormally large polls, and them getting results that are radically at odds with everyone else, you might want to question their methodology rather than assume that they must be the more accurate because they're "doing something different"
Polls over 2000 (may have been 1500) were showing a 1 or 2 point lead for remain. Polls under were showing a 10 point lead for remain (from memory). I produced a spreadsheet and posted it. If it's statistically insignificant there should have been no difference. I'm suggesting each demo should have been deeper. Or they added too many demos for the sample. If you only speak to 5 people from each demo it's going to get skewed etc. Easy to do with a Pol of 5,6,7,800.

In fact I took it further and the bigger the sample group the more it looked like brexit. But the big swing was around 1500.
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I don't think she's fit for scrutiny. She doesn't like it.

She'll win the election but expect a challenge for leader within the Tory party within 18 months.

Don't be surprised if that twunt Boris throws his lot in again.
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openclashXX wrote:I'm just going to put it out here (anecdotally of course) that many of my Remain voting ex colleagues from London who were strongly inclined to vote LD at the start of this campaign are now fully on the Corbyn bandwagon, the ones that sent off their postal votes have already cast their vote for the dear leader

It feels like a tidal wave of support building up for Corbyn now and there's still over a week to go, I'm genuinely bricking it
It is a worrying thought
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openclashXX wrote:I'm just going to put it out here (anecdotally of course) that many of my Remain voting ex colleagues from London who were strongly inclined to vote LD at the start of this campaign are now fully on the Corbyn bandwagon, the ones that sent off their postal votes have already cast their vote for the dear leader

It feels like a tidal wave of support building up for Corbyn now and there's still over a week to go, I'm genuinely bricking it
I've been saying this for the last 3 weeks. I can seriously see Labour ruling in a coalition/progressive alliance. People just love the sound of loads of free stuff for nothing. Even I have a teeny tiny inclination towards it :uhoh:
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dr dre2 wrote:The worrying thing is that YouGov are using massive sample sizes compared to the others and in my mind that is to counter some of the mistakes made on Brexit where for me the samples were too small. YouGov have done 2x 50k+ polls in the last week. Everyone else is still doing 1-2k. Except for Survey Monkey who did 19k and showed a 6 point lead for cons. YG were +3 & +4.

But the real story here is that Leanne Wood is an absolute Cu#t.
When she attacked by that for wanting a free divorce :lol:
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RodneyRegis wrote:
dr dre2 wrote:The worrying thing is that YouGov are using massive sample sizes compared to the others and in my mind that is to counter some of the mistakes made on Brexit where for me the samples were too small. YouGov have done 2x 50k+ polls in the last week. Everyone else is still doing 1-2k. Except for Survey Monkey who did 19k and showed a 6 point lead for cons. YG were +3 & +4.

But the real story here is that Leanne Wood is an absolute Cu#t.
When she attacked by that for wanting a free divorce :lol:
That was stupid
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iarmhiman wrote:I don't think she's fit for scrutiny. She doesn't like it.

She'll win the election but expect a challenge for leader within the Tory party within 18 months.

Don't be surprised if that twunt Boris throws his lot in on a remain agenda.
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dr dre2 wrote:
Saint wrote:
Wendigo7 wrote:
paddyor wrote:
dr dre2 wrote:The worrying thing is that YouGov are using massive sample sizes compared to the others and in my mind that is to counter some of the mistakes made on Brexit where for me the samples were too small. YouGov have done 2x 50k+ polls in the last week. Everyone else is still doing 1-2k. Except for Survey Monkey who did 19k and showed a 6 point lead for cons. YG were +3 & +4.

But the real story here is that Leanne Wood is an absolute Cu#t.
I can't remember which one but didn't one of the Scottish posters explain to you that the sample sizes didn't matter beyond a certain point.
I remember that paddyor.

I think someone said over 2,000 and it didn't overly matter wasn't it?
Over 1,000 and you ought to be not far out.

Sampling size is fundamentally irrelevant. A representative sample is way more important, and I think most pollsters would argue that it gets harder to ensure that your polling group is representative as it gets larger.

Last time out the polls were out by a couple of points only, so assuming that things haven't radically changed then you would expect them to be more or less in the same place - so if you then have a polling organisation doing something very different, in this case abnormally large polls, and them getting results that are radically at odds with everyone else, you might want to question their methodology rather than assume that they must be the more accurate because they're "doing something different"
Polls over 2000 (may have been 1500) were showing a 1 or 2 point lead for remain. Polls under were showing a 10 point lead for remain (from memory). I produced a spreadsheet and posted it. If it's statistically insignificant there should have been no difference. I'm suggesting each demo should have been deeper. Or they added too many demos for the sample. If you only speak to 5 people from each demo it's going to get skewed etc. Easy to do with a Pol of 5,6,7,800.

In fact I took it further and the bigger the sample group the more it looked like brexit. But the big swing was around 1500.
Trying to compare polling for Brexit to polling for an election is a fool's game. The only comparison for current election polling is previous election polling.
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This appeared on my Facebook feed about Corbyn. If I was British he would get my vote
Here’s what I’m really struggling to understand. All I’ve ever heard from people, for years, is:

“bloody bankers and their bonuses”
“bloody rich and their offshore tax havens “
“bloody politicians with their lying and second homes”
“bloody corporations paying less tax than me”
“bloody Establishment, they’re all in it together”
“it’ll never change, there’s no point in voting”

And quite rightly so, I said all the same things.

But then someone comes along that’s different. He upsets the bankers and the rich. The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I’ve never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person.

So the media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don’t do the live debate, he’ll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with:

“she’s strong and stable”
“he’s a clown”
“he’s not a leader”
“look he can’t even control his own party”
“he’ll ruin the economy”
“how’s he gonna pay for it all?!”
“he’s a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser”

And what do we? We’ve waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them. We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we’ve read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we’ve came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven’t, we haven’t come up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they’re repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying:

“he’s a clown”
“he’s a threat to the country”
“she’s strong and stable”
“he’ll take us back to the 70s”

And there’s nothing else, there’s no further opinion. There’s no evidence apart from one radio 5 interview that isn’t even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. There’s no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he’s a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher (no offence geography teachers) because he hasn’t done anything clownish from what I’ve seen.

And you’re not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren’t all in it together.

You think Richard Branson, who’s quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in?
You think Rupert Murdoch, who’s currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in?
You think the Barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in?
You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns Top Shop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in?
You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in?
You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in?
You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in?

And do you think they don’t have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn’t be if my personal fortune was at risk, I’d be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately.

Because here’s a man, a politician that doesn’t lie and can’t lie. He could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn’t. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us. He’s fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That’s one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election.

His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there’s some borrowing but that’s just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of piss taking going on there.

Unlike the Tory manifesto with a £9 billion hole, their figures don’t even add up.

And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone. The only people it hurts are the establishment, the rich, the bankers, the top 5% highest earners.

Good, screw them, it’s long overdue. #VoteLabour #ForTheManyNotTheFew !
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iarmhiman wrote:
Gavin Duffy wrote:Brexit isn't going to go well, take that as read.
We're all f**k because of 51% dumb ass twats.

Still boring times in Ireland :)
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If May manages to lose to Corbyn it will be thee worst electoral campaign performance since Hilary Clinton missed her open goal against an orange narcissist.
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I did think earlier in the thread the tories may lose but now i'm thinking they'll scrape through- May did well to swerve a cambridge audience, nothing worse than posh socialists.
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paddyor wrote:
dr dre2 wrote:The worrying thing is that YouGov are using massive sample sizes compared to the others and in my mind that is to counter some of the mistakes made on Brexit where for me the samples were too small. YouGov have done 2x 50k+ polls in the last week. Everyone else is still doing 1-2k. Except for Survey Monkey who did 19k and showed a 6 point lead for cons. YG were +3 & +4.

But the real story here is that Leanne Wood is an absolute Cu#t.
I can't remember which one but didn't one of the Scottish posters explain to you that the sample sizes didn't matter beyond a certain point.
Obviously a tiny sample is an issue, but once it reaches a certain size, it makes little difference.

The biggest issue is people don't always vote. So you can have 1000 cons and 1000 labs, but if only half of the lab voters actually vote, your poll is wrong. This is where they went wrong last time. They've all tried different techniques to adjust to that. Whether or not those techniques are right will be interesting to see, but it's tough to judge. Generally it appears that the cynical polls (i.e. no voting history, not 10/10 to vote) tend to give the conservatives the larger lead, and the less cynical ones, give the much closer results.
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TranceNRG wrote:
I like haggis wrote:
HurricaneWasp wrote:I think she should've taken part, but even from tonight you can see why she didn't. It was a complete farce of a debate. They all came across like squabbling primary school kids.
TV debates are shocking these days but May only avoided it because she calculated her personality and public speaking would do more damage than not showing up.
Load of nonsense. She said she wouldn't take part in any TV debates right from the beginning even when they had a huge lead. Her personality and public speaking weren't questioned until recently. In fact she delivered many good speeches including the Brexit speech that was well received.
David Cameron also didn't take part in the last debate simply because they had nothing to gain from it.
Her bland personality and utter lack of ability to resonate with the public have been questioned from day 1 by me however now you see the light at last.
Tories will still win with a majority so it doesn't matter however our negotiating stance with the EU will be severely weakened.
All that will be remembered about last night is that May did not turn up
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So today the discussing will move on to the "wealth tax" labour plan to impose. Could be as high as 20% .... I reckon my life savings are vulnerable ..... I'm buying Dutch investment funds.
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bimboman wrote:So today the discussing will move on to the "wealth tax" labour plan to impose. Could be as high as 20% .... I reckon my life savings are vulnerable ..... I'm buying Dutch investment funds.
Why not leave the country whilst you are at it?
Ffs man have some balls. Have you not seen "A Very British Coup"
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Wealth tax, garden tax, higher rate on £80k+. Some people are going to get utterly smashed by a Labour government.
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I suppose tenants will be liable for the garden tax if they rent a place with a garden.
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Santa wrote:Wealth tax, garden tax, higher rate on £80k+. Some people are going to get utterly smashed by a Labour government.
Brexit, social care, Brexit again, continuing welfare freeze, more Brexit, reducing immigration, encore Brexit. Some people are going to get utterly smashed by a Conservative government
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Santa wrote:Wealth tax, garden tax, higher rate on £80k+. Some people are going to get utterly smashed by a Labour government.
There will be no Labour Government ffs
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openclashXX wrote:May is getting absolutely savaged on social media, Corbyn literally didn't have to do anything except turn up to the debates and keep relatively quiet in order to release an avalanche of shit online at May
So she should be.
If not just for the no show then for these type of responses in an interview with the local paper in a very marginal seat which the Tories have targeted
The Herald: Two visits in six weeks to one of the country’s most marginal constituencies – is she getting worried?

May: I’m very clear that this is a crucial election for this country.

TH: Plymouth is feeling the effects of military cuts. Will she guarantee to protect the city from further pain?

M: I’m very clear that Plymouth has a proud record of connection with the armed forces.

TH: How will your Brexit plan make Plymouth better off?

M: I think there is a better future ahead for Plymouth and for the whole of the UK.

TH: Will you promise to sort out our transport links?

M: I’m very clear that connectivity is hugely important for Plymouth and the south-west generally.
Fark me. She has the personality and charisma of a tree stump.
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Chuckles1188 wrote:
Santa wrote:Wealth tax, garden tax, higher rate on £80k+. Some people are going to get utterly smashed by a Labour government.
Brexit, social care, Brexit again, continuing welfare freeze, more Brexit, reducing immigration, encore Brexit. Some people are going to get utterly smashed by a Conservative government
You dick. Brexit is going ahead whether or not it's Labour or Conservative.
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Santa wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:
Santa wrote:Wealth tax, garden tax, higher rate on £80k+. Some people are going to get utterly smashed by a Labour government.
Brexit, social care, Brexit again, continuing welfare freeze, more Brexit, reducing immigration, encore Brexit. Some people are going to get utterly smashed by a Conservative government
You dick. Brexit is going ahead whether or not it's Labour or Conservative.
And? I don't recall using the word Labour anywhere in my post
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Chuckles1188 wrote:
Santa wrote:Wealth tax, garden tax, higher rate on £80k+. Some people are going to get utterly smashed by a Labour government.
Brexit, social care, Brexit again, continuing welfare freeze, more Brexit, reducing immigration, encore Brexit. Some people are going to get utterly smashed by a Conservative government
Brexit is a smashing we're going to endure regardless of who is in charge
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openclashXX wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:
Santa wrote:Wealth tax, garden tax, higher rate on £80k+. Some people are going to get utterly smashed by a Labour government.
Brexit, social care, Brexit again, continuing welfare freeze, more Brexit, reducing immigration, encore Brexit. Some people are going to get utterly smashed by a Conservative government
Brexit is a smashing we're going to endure regardless of who is in charge
See my previous post.
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Chuckles1188 wrote:
openclashXX wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:
Santa wrote:Wealth tax, garden tax, higher rate on £80k+. Some people are going to get utterly smashed by a Labour government.
Brexit, social care, Brexit again, continuing welfare freeze, more Brexit, reducing immigration, encore Brexit. Some people are going to get utterly smashed by a Conservative government
Brexit is a smashing we're going to endure regardless of who is in charge
See my previous post.
why lump it in with Conservative policy then? :roll:
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SaintK wrote:
openclashXX wrote:May is getting absolutely savaged on social media, Corbyn literally didn't have to do anything except turn up to the debates and keep relatively quiet in order to release an avalanche of shit online at May
So she should be.
If not just for the no show then for these type of responses in an interview with the local paper in a very marginal seat which the Tories have targeted
The Herald: Two visits in six weeks to one of the country’s most marginal constituencies – is she getting worried?

May: I’m very clear that this is a crucial election for this country.

TH: Plymouth is feeling the effects of military cuts. Will she guarantee to protect the city from further pain?

M: I’m very clear that Plymouth has a proud record of connection with the armed forces.

TH: How will your Brexit plan make Plymouth better off?

M: I think there is a better future ahead for Plymouth and for the whole of the UK.

TH: Will you promise to sort out our transport links?

M: I’m very clear that connectivity is hugely important for Plymouth and the south-west generally.
Fark me. She has the personality and charisma of a tree stump.
Trance must be apoplectic at his poster girls meltdown
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openclashXX wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:
openclashXX wrote:
Chuckles1188 wrote:
Santa wrote:Wealth tax, garden tax, higher rate on £80k+. Some people are going to get utterly smashed by a Labour government.
Brexit, social care, Brexit again, continuing welfare freeze, more Brexit, reducing immigration, encore Brexit. Some people are going to get utterly smashed by a Conservative government
Brexit is a smashing we're going to endure regardless of who is in charge
See my previous post.
why lump it in with Conservative policy then? :roll:
Is it not Conservative policy?
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Honestly Chuckky you're a fukkin moron at times
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Santa wrote:Honestly Chuckky you're a fukkin moron at times
That's besides the point
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on a side note where is the all-powerful and all-controlling right-wing media that I was promised would warp the minds of voters and see them brainwashed into electing May with a huge majority

where is Paul Dacre riding in on a chariot made of dead migrants and EU bureaucrats to save the Tory campaign

don't tell me that the whole narrative of the right-wing media running everything in this country was a load of bollocks :shock:
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It's almost like you can have a visibly, clearly biased media landscape without people losing all decision-making capacity
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Chuckles1188 wrote:It's almost like you can have a visibly, clearly biased media landscape without people losing all decision-making capacity
doubt it, I was informed by SamShark himself that Dacre would not only be running the entire election campaign for both parties, but would be deciding the policies, the talking points and would ultimately be running the country by-proxy after engineering a 200-seat landslide for the Tories
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This is good for those of us who don't want a socialist Labour government to take us back to the 70s. Closer polls will scare people in to voting, to avoid the disaster.

Socialism is genuinely a sickness, a disease, as it goes against human nature.
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c69 wrote:
Santa wrote:Wealth tax, garden tax, higher rate on £80k+. Some people are going to get utterly smashed by a Labour government.
There will be no Labour Government ffs
What was it Denis Healey said : "'til the pips squeak".
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