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Wendigo7 wrote: I didnt realise we calculated on percentages.
60 seats short is a long way off. Being a fair system you can discuss at length, but he's still short by a fair bit.
It would be sensible, but under our system it would also be wrongMullet 2 wrote:Wendigo7 wrote: I didnt realise we calculated on percentages.
60 seats short is a long way off. Being a fair system you can discuss at length, but he's still short by a fair bit.
Yeah because that would be crazy
So? Get used to it!JM2K6 wrote:But NI is in the British Isles. Silly!paddyor wrote:Apparently they want Team GB renamed Team UK. IIRC a bugbear of Earls...gotta keep him happy!OhNo wrote:I think they will keep quiet on all that and well behaved in exchange for lots of money, lots and lots of money.Conservative Eddie wrote:Well, well, well; jumping into bed with the DUP.
And talking about people in bed together - they're big into who has sex with who and in what position and for what purpose.
The Earth is now less than 10,000 years old and God can handle climate change so no need to worry about that.
There's also shady dealings and associations with various loyalist paramilitaries, but I'm sure the likes of the Daily Mail and the Sun will fill you in on the details including some provocative and catchy headlines - I know they care deeply about who is and isn't a terrorist sympathiser and they'll want to remain consistent on that score.
Anyway, good luck. Lots of luck.
Maybe there will be so much money some may be left over for Irish language lessons . Who knows stranger things have happened.
I've said this all along. People were voting for Corbyn is spite of his attitudes and security problems, not because of them. They should have focused on his utter nonsense economics and Brexit plan. It wasn't smearing though, because it is true. It just didn't matter as much to people.Red Chopper wrote: Corbyn did meet with two ex IRA volunteers, but in their capacity as Sinn Feinn members - something the Conservative administration was doing behind closed doors anyway. There are plenty of pics out there of the likes of Martin McGuiness meeting Theresa May, David Cameron, Boris Johnson and indeed much of the cabinet, but it's questionable how relevant any of this stuff is over 30 years on. The Tories mistake was to go with Crosby's plan to make it a negative campaign, all about personalities - May vs Corbyn - rather than policies, which backfired spectacularly, as people started to see through the relentless smearing and shit flinging tactics employed by the Conservatives.
Negative campaigning... fun times. Hitting him on the economics of the Labour manifesto would be easier if the Tory one wasn't also rated as ludicrous!HurricaneWasp wrote:I've said this all along. People were voting for Corbyn is spite of his attitudes and security problems, not because of them. They should have focused on his utter nonsense economics and Brexit plan. It wasn't smearing though, because it is true. It just didn't matter as much to people.Red Chopper wrote: Corbyn did meet with two ex IRA volunteers, but in their capacity as Sinn Feinn members - something the Conservative administration was doing behind closed doors anyway. There are plenty of pics out there of the likes of Martin McGuiness meeting Theresa May, David Cameron, Boris Johnson and indeed much of the cabinet, but it's questionable how relevant any of this stuff is over 30 years on. The Tories mistake was to go with Crosby's plan to make it a negative campaign, all about personalities - May vs Corbyn - rather than policies, which backfired spectacularly, as people started to see through the relentless smearing and shit flinging tactics employed by the Conservatives.
Someone hasn't spent enough time arguing with CorbynitesHurricaneWasp wrote:I've said this all along. People were voting for Corbyn is spite of his attitudes and security problems, not because of them. They should have focused on his utter nonsense economics and Brexit plan. It wasn't smearing though, because it is true. It just didn't matter as much to people.Red Chopper wrote: Corbyn did meet with two ex IRA volunteers, but in their capacity as Sinn Feinn members - something the Conservative administration was doing behind closed doors anyway. There are plenty of pics out there of the likes of Martin McGuiness meeting Theresa May, David Cameron, Boris Johnson and indeed much of the cabinet, but it's questionable how relevant any of this stuff is over 30 years on. The Tories mistake was to go with Crosby's plan to make it a negative campaign, all about personalities - May vs Corbyn - rather than policies, which backfired spectacularly, as people started to see through the relentless smearing and shit flinging tactics employed by the Conservatives.
Ironic a Labour supporter talking about fake news. Labour's entire campaign was built around myths/fake news. Just a few easily provable ones off the top of my head:Thai guy wrote:Wouldn't surprise me if it's fake news from rugbygirl. Tories are like that.Red Chopper wrote:Didn't Corbyn back the Good Friday agreement? I thought it was the earlier Anglo-irish Agreement he opposed.Rugbygirl wrote:Whilst I'm sure that's true of some of the voters, I've seen plenty, including friends I would generally consider intelligent, to be in straight up denial about Corbyn's links to the IRA. They seem to have successfully spun that in talking to them he was trying to achieve peace (and that's when they accept that it was the IRA and not Sinn Fein). I've even seen various people claim he was 'integral to the peace process.' If you point out inconvenient things like the fact he refused to sign the Good Friday agreement and that nobody involved in the peace negotiations had any idea who he was, it's either point-blank ignored or dismissed as fake news. So it's not that they didn't care, it's that they refused to believe it could be true in the first place.Thai guy wrote:Yep. 260 something seats didn't care that, according to the Tory media, Corbyn spoke to the IRA. 260 something seats didn't care that Corbyn, according to the Tory media, had done any of the other anti-christ, anti-Britain, things he's been accused of.openclashXX wrote:certainly an irony to May using the coalition of chaos tagline throughout the election and ending up in a coalition with the DUP herself
But with a path to a majority. Had they been more agressive and less defensive(which they didn't need to be) they'd have picked up more seats. He'll own the labour party for the next 5+ years (which will probably include 2/3 elections).Wendigo7 wrote:By a distance too sadly.Chuckles1188 wrote:They came secondpaddyor wrote:Unelectable you say?
We needed a decisive result one way or another.
HurricaneWasp wrote:I've said this all along. People were voting for Corbyn is spite of his attitudes and security problems, not because of them. They should have focused on his utter nonsense economics and Brexit plan. It wasn't smearing though, because it is true. It just didn't matter as much to people.Red Chopper wrote: Corbyn did meet with two ex IRA volunteers, but in their capacity as Sinn Feinn members - something the Conservative administration was doing behind closed doors anyway. There are plenty of pics out there of the likes of Martin McGuiness meeting Theresa May, David Cameron, Boris Johnson and indeed much of the cabinet, but it's questionable how relevant any of this stuff is over 30 years on. The Tories mistake was to go with Crosby's plan to make it a negative campaign, all about personalities - May vs Corbyn - rather than policies, which backfired spectacularly, as people started to see through the relentless smearing and shit flinging tactics employed by the Conservatives.
I said this about 50 pages ago. As the proportion of people who remember the 70s gradually declines, the chances of another socialist government hugely increase as the idealist young begin to outnumber them. Then everyone realises how shite it is, and doesn't vote another in for 50-60 years until the cycle repeats again. The historical barrier is removed as it falls out of the public's memory.zzzz wrote:I dont think we were going to have much anyway.Chuckles1188 wrote:Theresa May eagerly tying her own fortunes and those of her party to the DUP. I'm certain that won't go wrong.
To be honest I'm surprised zzzz is not over the moon about this news - we're basically going to have zero governing taking place while this all gets sorted
Brexit always had significant execution risk. The only way we don't get completely f*cked is to be able to maintain a united and coherent negotiating position. But we are now going to get picked apart by the EU. The only hope is the sheer volatility of the UK causes the EU to hold back from pressing their advantage too hard.
Going forward, however, 41% of the population being willing to vote for that manifesto will be a huge problem. All the battles we fought in the 70s and 80s have been put back on the table. Utterly depressing.
After reading your posts in this thread I'd like to meet you because I imagine that you always have a small rain cloud following you.HurricaneWasp wrote:I've said this all along. People were voting for Corbyn is spite of his attitudes and security problems, not because of them. They should have focused on his utter nonsense economics and Brexit plan. It wasn't smearing though, because it is true. It just didn't matter as much to people.Red Chopper wrote: Corbyn did meet with two ex IRA volunteers, but in their capacity as Sinn Feinn members - something the Conservative administration was doing behind closed doors anyway. There are plenty of pics out there of the likes of Martin McGuiness meeting Theresa May, David Cameron, Boris Johnson and indeed much of the cabinet, but it's questionable how relevant any of this stuff is over 30 years on. The Tories mistake was to go with Crosby's plan to make it a negative campaign, all about personalities - May vs Corbyn - rather than policies, which backfired spectacularly, as people started to see through the relentless smearing and shit flinging tactics employed by the Conservatives.
Those perky nipples better be for the benefit of a suckling newborn and not for inflaming the passions of the wandering Godless masses. Remember James 1:14-15 - but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed.tabascoboy wrote:Nah, they have their priorities straight: they are trying to distract us with Bella Hadid's nipples ( whoever she is )Conservative Eddie wrote:Well, well, well; jumping into bed with the DUP.
And talking about people in bed together - they're big into who has sex with who and in what position and for what purpose.
The Earth is now less than 10,000 years old and God can handle climate change so no need to worry about that.
There's also shady dealings and associations with various loyalist paramilitaries, but I'm sure the likes of the Daily Mail and the Sun will fill you in on the details including some provocative and catchy headlines - I know they care deeply about who is and isn't a terrorist sympathiser and they'll want to remain consistent on that score.
Anyway, good luck. Lots of luck.
Ooh la la! Bella Hadid suffered a wardrobe malfunction as she went braless under a sheer top while heading to meetings in Paris on Friday
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Totally. The former Head of M16 said yesterday that Corbyn wouldn't even be considered for a job with any of the security services because of his association with terrorist organisations. That therefore totally disqualifies him from the highest office in the land.paddyor wrote:Unelectable you say?
People who fought for hard brexit basically then and she's doing all she can to make it happen.openclashXX wrote:Telegraph reporting that the top five key cabinet ministers, including Boris, Hammond, Rudd, Davis etc, are to be retained in the reshuffle tomorrow. Likely to see returns to the cabinet for IDS and Gove
No call for some fresh blood, some fresh ideas - the same old clique of no hopers
F*ck off May
What makes you imagine that?bessantj wrote:After reading your posts in this thread I'd like to meet you because I imagine that you always have a small rain cloud following you.HurricaneWasp wrote:I've said this all along. People were voting for Corbyn is spite of his attitudes and security problems, not because of them. They should have focused on his utter nonsense economics and Brexit plan. It wasn't smearing though, because it is true. It just didn't matter as much to people.Red Chopper wrote: Corbyn did meet with two ex IRA volunteers, but in their capacity as Sinn Feinn members - something the Conservative administration was doing behind closed doors anyway. There are plenty of pics out there of the likes of Martin McGuiness meeting Theresa May, David Cameron, Boris Johnson and indeed much of the cabinet, but it's questionable how relevant any of this stuff is over 30 years on. The Tories mistake was to go with Crosby's plan to make it a negative campaign, all about personalities - May vs Corbyn - rather than policies, which backfired spectacularly, as people started to see through the relentless smearing and shit flinging tactics employed by the Conservatives.
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/econ ... -1.3113681Chris Johns: Theresa May proves obvious second-rate credentials in face of her demise
Brexit and the economy are the dogs that failed to bark in the UK election
about 6 hours ago
Chris Johns
Another shock poll result and, like the Brexit referendum outcome, the search for simple explanations is an exercise in futility. It’s complicated. But keen observers of the UK political landscape noted throughout the general election campaign how Theresa May acted and sounded like a loser: the Conservatives’ tactics were spectacularly and mystifyingly inept. All through the campaign, May’s demeanour pointed to anything but a winning mentality. She was nervous, uncertain and stuck to her now infamous soundbites at a time when the the electorate was, for once, hungry for both detail and change. Her platform - ‘’sound and stable leadership” and “no deal [on Brexit] is better than a bad deal” - simply failed to resonate.
Two dogs failed to bark during seven dismal weeks of the most mediocre electioneering that most of us can recall. Brexit was hardly mentioned by any candidate: the most plausible explanation is that the British people, including most of its politicians, have finally realised what they have done. The penny has dropped: it is going to be a fiendishly difficult exercise with a highly uncertain, but probably disastrous, outcome. A vista too awful to contemplate so they stopped looking at it. If the electorate’s gaze was averted from Europe it was fixed firmly on an agenda set by Jeremy Corbyn. He promised a rise in corporate taxation and income taxes on higher earners that would fund a raft of increases in welfare and other forms of government spending. Don’t take my word for it: the respected and independent Institute for Fiscal Studies repeatedly pointed out that neither the Tory nor the Labour manifestos added up.
And that was the second quiet dog: the economy.
The aftershocks of the Great Financial Crisis still reverberate. The economy has grown fitfully, unemployment is low but living standards have failed to pick up; housing costs are still absurd in the South East of England and elsewhere. Corbyn provided uncosted and vague hope while the Tories shrugged with promises of more of the same. Everybody knows the NHS is in financial trouble and that the only practical way to fund exploding care costs for the elderly will be via the money locked up in their houses. The Tory manifesto debacle involved pointing this out and then immediately backtracked when the owners of those houses objected. Economic policy has rarely been so peripheral to a general election.
Immigration
Nobody believed the Tory manifesto’s promises on immigration: they are the same commitments as before and have never been met, particularly when Theresa May was in charge of them at the Home Office. Business lobbies and the NHS keep asking where their needed workers are going to come from if immigration is to be slashed. As with Brexit and so much else there were no details: the Tories just airily promised to reduce immigration to a trickle. Fittingly, the manifesto’s author lost his seat. When the UK education system was more rounded, every schoolchild used to learn from history that the label ‘Tory’ was originally coined as a term of abuse.
Theresa May will now try to form a minority government. An obviously second rate politician with the clock already ticking towards her demise. Another general election this year is a distinct possibility. Brexit negotiations will begin immediately and she will be sitting at a table where her opposite numbers, refreshingly crystal clear about their objectives, will sniff only weakness and uncertainty. The mandate for the infamous hard Brexit has failed to materialise but nobody knows what the British people have asked her to deliver. It is perfectly possible that she has no idea either. Her decision to treat with contempt the 48 per cent of the electorate who voted against Brexit spectacularly backfired. I’m willing to bet that a significant proportion of them tactically voted Labour, not because Corbyn has anything coherent to say on Brexit but quite possibly because they recognise there is now nothing good, or indeed coherent, that can be said about the decision to leave the EU.
Markets
It is often said that markets hate uncertainty so there may be some surprise that both sterling and UK equities look, so far, to have reacted relatively quietly. The truth is that markets hate extremism far more than they loathe uncertainty: there is now a real chance that hard Brexit is now off the table and that while the future is unknowable, whatever emerges may not be quite so catastrophic, quite so extreme, as the outcome that May promised the British - but one she so obviously did not believe in. The British may well have the politicians they deserve but they may be entitled to wonder just what they did that was so awful that resulted in the current generation of second-rate leaders.
I haven't read every post of yours in this thread but the ones I have seen give off an air of doom and gloom.HurricaneWasp wrote:What makes you imagine that?bessantj wrote:After reading your posts in this thread I'd like to meet you because I imagine that you always have a small rain cloud following you.HurricaneWasp wrote:I've said this all along. People were voting for Corbyn is spite of his attitudes and security problems, not because of them. They should have focused on his utter nonsense economics and Brexit plan. It wasn't smearing though, because it is true. It just didn't matter as much to people.Red Chopper wrote: Corbyn did meet with two ex IRA volunteers, but in their capacity as Sinn Feinn members - something the Conservative administration was doing behind closed doors anyway. There are plenty of pics out there of the likes of Martin McGuiness meeting Theresa May, David Cameron, Boris Johnson and indeed much of the cabinet, but it's questionable how relevant any of this stuff is over 30 years on. The Tories mistake was to go with Crosby's plan to make it a negative campaign, all about personalities - May vs Corbyn - rather than policies, which backfired spectacularly, as people started to see through the relentless smearing and shit flinging tactics employed by the Conservatives.
It is worth remembering that the last time a UK government was sustained by Northern Irish votes, it didn't end well.
James Callaghan's minority Labour government of the mid 1970s survived, hand to mouth, for years until Callaghan could no longer stomach the endless deal-making. He might have survived the famous 1979 Commons no confidence debate, if he'd been prepared to fund a gas pipeline to Northern Ireland, but he'd had enough.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-p ... s-40225336
zzzz wrote:JM2K6 wrote:I agree, but the referendum vote wasn't an election - huge numbers of people didn't really know what it was about or why they should care.
f**k off with this shit. Everyone knew what it was about. As for the detail of what a decision either way would entail, they had no less knowledge than people would have in respect of half the manifesto commitments in this election.
This whole no-one knew what was going on meme is a colossal amount of balls.
tabascoboy wrote:It is worth remembering that the last time a UK government was sustained by Northern Irish votes, it didn't end well.
James Callaghan's minority Labour government of the mid 1970s survived, hand to mouth, for years until Callaghan could no longer stomach the endless deal-making. He might have survived the famous 1979 Commons no confidence debate, if he'd been prepared to fund a gas pipeline to Northern Ireland, but he'd had enough.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-p ... s-40225336
A charge you could level at most people.englishgreat wrote:Totally. The former Head of M16 said yesterday that Corbyn wouldn't even be considered for a job with any of the security services because of his association with terrorist organisations. That therefore totally disqualifies him from the highest office in the land.paddyor wrote:Unelectable you say?
The fact he got 40% of the vote shows why the voting age should not be lowered to 16 as the younger generation that Corbyn appealed to, especially students, generally have little understanding of the economy and seem to believe that money grows on trees
Nobleman wrote:zzzz wrote:JM2K6 wrote:I agree, but the referendum vote wasn't an election - huge numbers of people didn't really know what it was about or why they should care.
f**k off with this shit. Everyone knew what it was about. As for the detail of what a decision either way would entail, they had no less knowledge than people would have in respect of half the manifesto commitments in this election.
This whole no-one knew what was going on meme is a colossal amount of balls.
What a load of bollox. Most of the public did not really understand the issues. You only have to read this thread and you see many have voted Brexit without understanding what the single market or the customs union are. How many have read or understand the Lisbon treaty?
What we have learnt is that referendums are a very bad idea. They are divisive and solve nothing. We should stick to elections and let the politicians make the political decisions. The UK is a representative democracy and that is how the system works best.
Conservative Eddie wrote:A charge you could level at most people.englishgreat wrote:Totally. The former Head of M16 said yesterday that Corbyn wouldn't even be considered for a job with any of the security services because of his association with terrorist organisations. That therefore totally disqualifies him from the highest office in the land.paddyor wrote:Unelectable you say?
The fact he got 40% of the vote shows why the voting age should not be lowered to 16 as the younger generation that Corbyn appealed to, especially students, generally have little understanding of the economy and seem to believe that money grows on trees
How often is the Swabian housewife and the "balancing your books" analogy rolled out, amongst others?
You forgot to link your favourite video. Come on I could do with a laugh.Nobleman wrote:zzzz wrote:JM2K6 wrote:I agree, but the referendum vote wasn't an election - huge numbers of people didn't really know what it was about or why they should care.
f**k off with this shit. Everyone knew what it was about. As for the detail of what a decision either way would entail, they had no less knowledge than people would have in respect of half the manifesto commitments in this election.
This whole no-one knew what was going on meme is a colossal amount of balls.
What a load of bollox. Most of the public did not really understand the issues. You only have to read this thread and you see many have voted Brexit without understanding what the single market or the customs union are. How many have read or understand the Lisbon treaty?
What we have learnt is that referendums are a very bad idea. They are divisive and solve nothing. We should stick to elections and let the politicians make the political decisions. The UK is a representative democracy and that is how the system works best.
That is just me naturally. I have always been a pessimist and always will be. If you lose, you're ready for it, if you win, it is an unexpected surprise. Win-win. Anecdotally, I was sitting in Twickers last week when Wasps were winning in the last minute of the game, and I didn't feel any negative emotion when Exeter equalised and then won, because I had already accepted it in my head about 5 minutes beforehand. I just felt that we were inevitably going to lose.bessantj wrote:I haven't read every post of yours in this thread but the ones I have seen give off an air of doom and gloom.HurricaneWasp wrote:What makes you imagine that?bessantj wrote:
After reading your posts in this thread I'd like to meet you because I imagine that you always have a small rain cloud following you.
In fairness she will get some very unusual ideas from the terrorist sympathisers who are now propping up her government.openclashXX wrote:Telegraph reporting that the top five key cabinet ministers, including Boris, Hammond, Rudd, Davis etc, are to be retained in the reshuffle tomorrow. Likely to see returns to the cabinet for IDS and Gove
No call for some fresh blood, some fresh ideas - the same old clique of no hopers
F*ck off May
HurricaneWasp wrote:That is just me naturally. I have always been a pessimist and always will be. If you lose, you're ready for it, if you win, it is an unexpected surprise. Win-win. Anecdotally, I was sitting in Twickers last week when Wasps were winning in the last minute of the game, and I didn't feel any negative emotion when Exeter equalised and then won, because I had already accepted it in my head about 5 minutes beforehand. I just felt that we were inevitably going to lose.bessantj wrote:I haven't read every post of yours in this thread but the ones I have seen give off an air of doom and gloom.HurricaneWasp wrote:What makes you imagine that?bessantj wrote:
After reading your posts in this thread I'd like to meet you because I imagine that you always have a small rain cloud following you.
As an aside, none of my sports teams (bar the Canes - who are only really a bit of fun on the side) have ever won anything whilst I've been supporting them. Ever. Not one thing (I started supporting Wasps in 2010-ish). So I just expect it now.
tabascoboy wrote:It is worth remembering that the last time a UK government was sustained by Northern Irish votes, it didn't end well.
James Callaghan's minority Labour government of the mid 1970s survived, hand to mouth, for years until Callaghan could no longer stomach the endless deal-making. He might have survived the famous 1979 Commons no confidence debate, if he'd been prepared to fund a gas pipeline to Northern Ireland, but he'd had enough.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-p ... s-40225336
Marc Scully @marcdonnchadh 10h10 hours ago
Eng voters 2015: We won't be governed by Scotland!
Eng voters 2016: We won't be governed by Brussels!
Eng voters 2017: *googling the DUP*
I don't think anyone to the left of centre knows they didn't win...Man In Black wrote:Anyone watched the latest Jonathon Pie? It's his usual rant but pretty weird. He said it makes him happy this election was a clear big f**k off to all the Blairites. I'm not sure he realises that Corbyn didn't actually win. Very weird clip from him.
Maybe your kids should have a word with Corbyn and his looney left wing supporters. Ironically, I think most students don't give a fudge about living within your means and why it is a bad thing for a country, like an individual to be crippled by debtbimboman wrote:Conservative Eddie wrote:A charge you could level at most people.englishgreat wrote:Totally. The former Head of M16 said yesterday that Corbyn wouldn't even be considered for a job with any of the security services because of his association with terrorist organisations. That therefore totally disqualifies him from the highest office in the land.paddyor wrote:Unelectable you say?
The fact he got 40% of the vote shows why the voting age should not be lowered to 16 as the younger generation that Corbyn appealed to, especially students, generally have little understanding of the economy and seem to believe that money grows on trees
How often is the Swabian housewife and the "balancing your books" analogy rolled out, amongst others?
Most people understand the "beans" , even my kids have grasped what they can and can't afford. Maybe these people should just be disinfranchised.
A Jonathan Pie video that focuses on sniping at the left while pretending to be on the left? Well I neverMan In Black wrote:Anyone watched the latest Jonathon Pie? It's his usual rant but pretty weird. He said it makes him happy this election was a clear big f**k off to all the Blairites. I'm not sure he realises that Corbyn didn't actually win. Very weird clip from him.
too long been neglected by the rest of the UK, now they will know about them!Simply comedy goal, you should take your schlock and tour local retirement clubsHurricaneWasp wrote:I said this about 50 pages ago. As the proportion of people who remember the 70s gradually declines, the chances of another socialist government hugely increase as the idealist young begin to outnumber them. Then everyone realises how shite it is, and doesn't vote another in for 50-60 years until the cycle repeats again. The historical barrier is removed as it falls out of the public's memory.zzzz wrote:I dont think we were going to have much anyway.Chuckles1188 wrote:Theresa May eagerly tying her own fortunes and those of her party to the DUP. I'm certain that won't go wrong.
To be honest I'm surprised zzzz is not over the moon about this news - we're basically going to have zero governing taking place while this all gets sorted
Brexit always had significant execution risk. The only way we don't get completely f*cked is to be able to maintain a united and coherent negotiating position. But we are now going to get picked apart by the EU. The only hope is the sheer volatility of the UK causes the EU to hold back from pressing their advantage too hard.
Going forward, however, 41% of the population being willing to vote for that manifesto will be a huge problem. All the battles we fought in the 70s and 80s have been put back on the table. Utterly depressing.
armchair pundit wrote:HurricaneWasp wrote:That is just me naturally. I have always been a pessimist and always will be. If you lose, you're ready for it, if you win, it is an unexpected surprise. Win-win. Anecdotally, I was sitting in Twickers last week when Wasps were winning in the last minute of the game, and I didn't feel any negative emotion when Exeter equalised and then won, because I had already accepted it in my head about 5 minutes beforehand. I just felt that we were inevitably going to lose.bessantj wrote:I haven't read every post of yours in this thread but the ones I have seen give off an air of doom and gloom.HurricaneWasp wrote:What makes you imagine that?bessantj wrote:
After reading your posts in this thread I'd like to meet you because I imagine that you always have a small rain cloud following you.
As an aside, none of my sports teams (bar the Canes - who are only really a bit of fun on the side) have ever won anything whilst I've been supporting them. Ever. Not one thing (I started supporting Wasps in 2010-ish). So I just expect it now.
Youve only supported a sports team for 7 years ????
I think we deserve more of an explanation on this revelation.
I was referring to my football teams too. I was a football fan long before I was a rugby fan, but I love both games now.What a load of bollocks. Most people knew perfectly well that leaving the EU meant leaving the single market and taking back control of our laws, our borders, and our money. It's not that hard to comprehend!Nobleman wrote:zzzz wrote:JM2K6 wrote:I agree, but the referendum vote wasn't an election - huge numbers of people didn't really know what it was about or why they should care.
f**k off with this shit. Everyone knew what it was about. As for the detail of what a decision either way would entail, they had no less knowledge than people would have in respect of half the manifesto commitments in this election.
This whole no-one knew what was going on meme is a colossal amount of balls.
What a load of bollox. Most of the public did not really understand the issues. You only have to read this thread and you see many have voted Brexit without understanding what the single market or the customs union are. How many have read or understand the Lisbon treaty?
What we have learnt is that referendums are a very bad idea. They are divisive and solve nothing. We should stick to elections and let the politicians make the political decisions. The UK is a representative democracy and that is how the system works best.
I'm not sure what the relevance is to Trump at all? I have little explanation as to why he won. Maybe because he appealed to the working class in America who also didn't like Clinton? I couldn't really go much further than that.Salient wrote:
Simply comedy goal, you should take your schlock and tour local retirement clubs
No doubt you also thought bubblefart won cause he was an "outsider"
On the bright side of the result it'll take the media attention off the BILs
englishchief wrote:Good to see Northern Ireland will have a say
JM2K6 wrote:A Jonathan Pie video that focuses on sniping at the left while pretending to be on the left? Well I neverMan In Black wrote:Anyone watched the latest Jonathon Pie? It's his usual rant but pretty weird. He said it makes him happy this election was a clear big f**k off to all the Blairites. I'm not sure he realises that Corbyn didn't actually win. Very weird clip from him.
