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clydecloggie wrote:
Alba wrote:
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Alba wrote:To try and spark some rugby chat, any views on a) the likelihood of and b) the desire to have a Pro18 including the South African Super Rugby sides?

For me there are pluses and minuses. On the plus side SA will bring additional revenues (though possibly not large given the relative strength of the rand) with their large population, prestige from their excellent teams and an improvement in the overall level of the league.

On the negative side, the need to travel to SA for 5 games per season (minimum) is not great despite the similar timezones. I'm also not sure how the league would be organised.

Overall I think this would be an improvement. The league would contain 10 sides I think most would agree have decent to excellent pedigree in Leinster, Munster, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Ulster, Scarlets, Sharks, Bulls, Stormers and Lions. The real weak teams would be limited to Ospreys, Zebre and Dragons with Connacht, Cardiff and Benneton all decent to good. I don't particularly buy into the narrative that the Pro18 is weak, but the general view outside of those who actually watch it is that it is a weak league. If this change could shift that narrative then we might see improvements in future TV deals and sponsorship opportunities.
I'm worried - Super Rugby essentially killed itself going to 18, although that had the problems of geography with teams having to travel half the planet on a weekly basis and outposts in Japan and Argentina.

In your list, add the Kings to the shite group and Cheetahs to the Connacht group.

I'd much prefer a return to the Pro12 in a one league system, but I guess that's wishful thinking.

As good as it would be to have all the top Saffer teams coming to Scotstoun, it would be at the expense of what made the league good in the first place.
I think being in the same time zone-ish is is a big structural advantage over the Super Rugby set up.

I suppose it depends on how much you think the current SA additions to the league has worked. The teams probably aren't allowed to grumble about the additional travel, but they seem to be managing it well enough as a mini-tour. The biggest issue for me so far has been that Kings are terrible and the away games down there aren't much of a spectacle on TV due to the small crowds.
My understanding was that one or both of the current teams would be scrapped in exchange for the SR teams. I think the Cheetahs, as you said, were decent. If only one was kept from those two, the cheetahs is the preference.
Surely it won't make sense to have a Pro17 - would be harsh on the Cheetahs to axe them.
That's what I thought - another possibility is that the Welsh have repeatedly talked about going to three teams, so 5 saffers would make a Pro16, which would give a nice simple two conference format, play every one in your group home and away, everyone in the other group once to give 22 games.

Con of that is the Irish in particular losing the home and away games vs all other Irish teams. But they may be convinced that home games against the Sharks, Bulls or WP make up for that.
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The other rumour doing the rounds is that an Argentine team, based in Spain, may also be joining as a replacement for the Jaguares. You could end up with:
Ireland - 4
Scotland - 2
SA - 5
Italy - 2
Wales - 4
Argentina - 1

If the Welsh are considering dropping to 3, and SARU only want 4, a Pro16 would also work that way.

One big downside of the increase in the number of competing nations and teams is the likelihood that Scotland will never have a third pro team in this league.
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It's a bit of a mess, unfortunately.

Would prefer to go back to an inter pro with Ireland and the Welsh, keep it simple. The Italians I am unsure, they've not been successful but punting them would be tough to do. The Saffers could come good yet but the hemisphere hopping makes a bit of a mockery of it all. The Argies based in Spain? Just all seems quite far fetched.
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dargotronV.1 wrote:It's a bit of a mess, unfortunately.

Would prefer to go back to an inter pro with Ireland and the Welsh, keep it simple. The Italians I am unsure, they've not been successful but punting them would be tough to do. The Saffers could come good yet but the hemisphere hopping makes a bit of a mockery of it all. The Argies based in Spain? Just all seems quite far fetched.
No argument here, in an ideal world you'd have an 11 or 12 team Celtic league, a European league with Italy, Georgia, Russia etc., an African league with majority saffer and a few others like Namibia, and a South American league mostly RG but with the odd team from Brazil, Uruguay and Chile. Might happen in the future but no way to do it at the moment. I could see the European one happening maybe five or ten years down the line.
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dargotronV.1 wrote:It's a bit of a mess, unfortunately.

Would prefer to go back to an inter pro with Ireland and the Welsh, keep it simple. The Italians I am unsure, they've not been successful but punting them would be tough to do. The Saffers could come good yet but the hemisphere hopping makes a bit of a mockery of it all. The Argies based in Spain? Just all seems quite far fetched.
No argument here, in an ideal world you'd have an 11 or 12 team Celtic league, a European league with Italy, Georgia, Russia etc., an African league with majority saffer and a few others like Namibia, and a South American league mostly RG but with the odd team from Brazil, Uruguay and Chile. Might happen in the future but no way to do it at the moment. I could see the European one happening maybe five or ten years down the line.
To be honest, the obvious solution for the Italians is to find a way into the French league. I suppose it may be worth the Italians dropping to one team in the Pro12/14/16/18/whatever and putting one team into a regional European league. That way they can concentrate on having one decent pro team competing at the top end, while also having a development route for their (rapidly improving) youth system.
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dargotronV.1 wrote:It's a bit of a mess, unfortunately.

Would prefer to go back to an inter pro with Ireland and the Welsh, keep it simple. The Italians I am unsure, they've not been successful but punting them would be tough to do. The Saffers could come good yet but the hemisphere hopping makes a bit of a mockery of it all. The Argies based in Spain? Just all seems quite far fetched.
I agree. It’s a clusterfuck at present.

For two main reasons, Less is most definitely more.

1. The demand that we’re putting on players in terms of number of matches is beyond a joke and it’s unsustainable long term.

2. About time Rugby took global warming seriously. The Planet is going to hell in a handcart and we’re expecting squads of 30 folks to traverse the globe every weekend for a game of rugby? Its ridiculous.

In my opinion its time to punt the Jarpies and reduce it to a round robin 10 team league. Whether that means we drop the Welsh to 3 sides and retain an Italian side or keep the 4 taffs and punt the Italians. Meh I’m happy with either.

And whilst we’re at it can we reduce the Heineken to 4 pools of 3 with the pool winner going straight to the Semis?
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I see Tom Taylor has become available after being sacked by Pau. That would be an ideal pickup for Glasgow. He is a 10/15 so provides experience and depth in two positions they are weak.
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dargotronV.1 wrote:It's a bit of a mess, unfortunately.

Would prefer to go back to an inter pro with Ireland and the Welsh, keep it simple. The Italians I am unsure, they've not been successful but punting them would be tough to do. The Saffers could come good yet but the hemisphere hopping makes a bit of a mockery of it all. The Argies based in Spain? Just all seems quite far fetched.
I think there's a strong incentive for the Celtic unions to keep the Italians in the league if they want to keep the 6 Nations in its current format. Without the pro teams, imagine how well the Italian national team would be doing and the pressure there would be to reorganise the competition - which would presumably be for the benefit of the English and the French, not the likes of Scotland.
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robmatic wrote:
dargotronV.1 wrote:It's a bit of a mess, unfortunately.

Would prefer to go back to an inter pro with Ireland and the Welsh, keep it simple. The Italians I am unsure, they've not been successful but punting them would be tough to do. The Saffers could come good yet but the hemisphere hopping makes a bit of a mockery of it all. The Argies based in Spain? Just all seems quite far fetched.
I think there's a strong incentive for the Celtic unions to keep the Italians in the league if they want to keep the 6 Nations in its current format. Without the pro teams, imagine how well the Italian national team would be doing and the pressure there would be to reorganise the competition - which would presumably be for the benefit of the English and the French, not the likes of Scotland.
Quite possible yes. Fwiw I like having the Italians in and wouldn't want to see them regress by being chucked out. Any exit would need to be on the proviso that they have something else suitable lined up.
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Id prefer a return to something like the old Celtic League with perhaps an A competition that runs at the same time rather than further expansion.

The only reason we are talking about the SA and RG teams is because of money. Not to strengthen rugby in each of the countries or anything like that. Teams often send weakened sides to SA and Italy as it is, adding more teams will not change that.
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Embra sign Andrew Davidson from the Weej. Cockers continuing to stack the pack.
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For anyone that had a ticket for the Wales game. Obviously not official yet though.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... s-18381185
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Steamin Beamin wrote:For anyone that had a ticket for the Wales game. Obviously not official yet though.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... s-18381185
Cheers for that. It will remain on my bucket list by the looks of it, the final ground i need to tick off from the 6N venues.

Be good if we could get a behind closed doors game against them done though to finish this years campaign.
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robmatic wrote:Embra sign Andrew Davidson from the Weej. Cockers continuing to stack the pack.
You'd hope that means there is a strong chance Nakarawa is staying, otherwise they only have two senior locks (3 if you include McDonald). There was a rumour of another 'experienced' lock to join them at some point so perhaps that will also happen.

I still think there must be a fairly significant number of players to be announced as the squad looks very threadbare. Either that or the U20 players breaking through are better than we all expect them to be at this stage.
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Big D wrote:Id prefer a return to something like the old Celtic League with perhaps an A competition that runs at the same time rather than further expansion.

The only reason we are talking about the SA and RG teams is because of money. Not to strengthen rugby in each of the countries or anything like that. Teams often send weakened sides to SA and Italy as it is, adding more teams will not change that.
Yeah, agreed. It would be a more competitive league with a Celtic league, although it would be poorer and in the current climate, considerably so.

Saw that the English prem is looking to slash its wage bill to try and make it sustainable, all leagues will be looking at this i suspect. Not good for the players but might help the financial health of the sport in the long term.
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Lorthern Nights wrote:
Big D wrote:Id prefer a return to something like the old Celtic League with perhaps an A competition that runs at the same time rather than further expansion.

The only reason we are talking about the SA and RG teams is because of money. Not to strengthen rugby in each of the countries or anything like that. Teams often send weakened sides to SA and Italy as it is, adding more teams will not change that.
Yeah, agreed. It would be a more competitive league with a Celtic league, although it would be poorer and in the current climate, considerably so.

Saw that the English prem is looking to slash its wage bill to try and make it sustainable, all leagues will be looking at this i suspect. Not good for the players but might help the financial health of the sport in the long term.
But would you accept the impacts that come with that? It's all very well saying that we'd be poorer, but where will you accept the reductions falling? Reduced pro team quality? Cut the sevens programme? Reduced club funding? Scrap the women's team? Scrap the academy system? None of those decisions would be popular. For me it is naive to think the SRU / Pro14 would do anything other than go after the money.

The rumored impact of the SARU teams on SR is around £20m per season. If the TV income from those teams joining the Pro18 was the same, when added to the current £30m per season the Pro14 brings in but divided by more teams, that is an additional £1.2m per season for the SRU. That funds 5 or 6 top Scottish internationals at the pro teams, or the sevens programme with change to spare. They can't do anything but go after the money, especially when the English teams may be reducing wage bills and the French teams are starting to look internally for talent again.
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Alba wrote:
Lorthern Nights wrote:
Big D wrote:Id prefer a return to something like the old Celtic League with perhaps an A competition that runs at the same time rather than further expansion.

The only reason we are talking about the SA and RG teams is because of money. Not to strengthen rugby in each of the countries or anything like that. Teams often send weakened sides to SA and Italy as it is, adding more teams will not change that.
Yeah, agreed. It would be a more competitive league with a Celtic league, although it would be poorer and in the current climate, considerably so.

Saw that the English prem is looking to slash its wage bill to try and make it sustainable, all leagues will be looking at this i suspect. Not good for the players but might help the financial health of the sport in the long term.
But would you accept the impacts that come with that? It's all very well saying that we'd be poorer, but where will you accept the reductions falling? Reduced pro team quality? Cut the sevens programme? Reduced club funding? Scrap the women's team? Scrap the academy system? None of those decisions would be popular. For me it is naive to think the SRU / Pro14 would do anything other than go after the money.

The rumored impact of the SARU teams on SR is around £20m per season. If the TV income from those teams joining the Pro18 was the same, when added to the current £30m per season the Pro14 brings in but divided by more teams, that is an additional £1.2m per season for the SRU. That funds 5 or 6 top Scottish internationals at the pro teams, or the sevens programme with change to spare. They can't do anything but go after the money, especially when the English teams may be reducing wage bills and the French teams are starting to look internally for talent again.
That was entirely my point, i would prefer a Celtic league but because of money i cant see that happening. My ideal would be back to 4 pro teams with academy set-up below them feeding them, playing in a 12 team league with the Irish and Welsh sides and all of them attracting circa 20k through the gate every game, this however is not realistic so we have to make do.
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Lorthern Nights wrote:
Alba wrote:
Lorthern Nights wrote:
Big D wrote:Id prefer a return to something like the old Celtic League with perhaps an A competition that runs at the same time rather than further expansion.

The only reason we are talking about the SA and RG teams is because of money. Not to strengthen rugby in each of the countries or anything like that. Teams often send weakened sides to SA and Italy as it is, adding more teams will not change that.
Yeah, agreed. It would be a more competitive league with a Celtic league, although it would be poorer and in the current climate, considerably so.

Saw that the English prem is looking to slash its wage bill to try and make it sustainable, all leagues will be looking at this i suspect. Not good for the players but might help the financial health of the sport in the long term.
But would you accept the impacts that come with that? It's all very well saying that we'd be poorer, but where will you accept the reductions falling? Reduced pro team quality? Cut the sevens programme? Reduced club funding? Scrap the women's team? Scrap the academy system? None of those decisions would be popular. For me it is naive to think the SRU / Pro14 would do anything other than go after the money.

The rumored impact of the SARU teams on SR is around £20m per season. If the TV income from those teams joining the Pro18 was the same, when added to the current £30m per season the Pro14 brings in but divided by more teams, that is an additional £1.2m per season for the SRU. That funds 5 or 6 top Scottish internationals at the pro teams, or the sevens programme with change to spare. They can't do anything but go after the money, especially when the English teams may be reducing wage bills and the French teams are starting to look internally for talent again.
That was entirely my point, i would prefer a Celtic league but because of money i cant see that happening. My ideal would be back to 4 pro teams with academy set-up below them feeding them, playing in a 12 team league with the Irish and Welsh sides and all of them attracting circa 20k through the gate every game, this however is not realistic so we have to make do.
Yeah, it'd be great to be getting Leicester / Gloucester / Northampton style crowds every week. I can see that building with success, hopefully to Edinburgh and Glasgow regularly getting 10k+ for home games in the next 5-10 years. 1872 at Murrayfield is key - needs to be established in the rugby psyche at the same level as the 6Ns and AIs as a social event. Get up to 50k for that and then even if only 10% of that additional crowd come to a couple of extra games each season that's around a thousand on to each home game (although you'd hope for more). Might be able to expect a bigger boost for European home games as well if that happens.
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Lorthern Nights wrote:
Alba wrote:
Lorthern Nights wrote:
Big D wrote:Id prefer a return to something like the old Celtic League with perhaps an A competition that runs at the same time rather than further expansion.

The only reason we are talking about the SA and RG teams is because of money. Not to strengthen rugby in each of the countries or anything like that. Teams often send weakened sides to SA and Italy as it is, adding more teams will not change that.
Yeah, agreed. It would be a more competitive league with a Celtic league, although it would be poorer and in the current climate, considerably so.

Saw that the English prem is looking to slash its wage bill to try and make it sustainable, all leagues will be looking at this i suspect. Not good for the players but might help the financial health of the sport in the long term.
But would you accept the impacts that come with that? It's all very well saying that we'd be poorer, but where will you accept the reductions falling? Reduced pro team quality? Cut the sevens programme? Reduced club funding? Scrap the women's team? Scrap the academy system? None of those decisions would be popular. For me it is naive to think the SRU / Pro14 would do anything other than go after the money.

The rumored impact of the SARU teams on SR is around £20m per season. If the TV income from those teams joining the Pro18 was the same, when added to the current £30m per season the Pro14 brings in but divided by more teams, that is an additional £1.2m per season for the SRU. That funds 5 or 6 top Scottish internationals at the pro teams, or the sevens programme with change to spare. They can't do anything but go after the money, especially when the English teams may be reducing wage bills and the French teams are starting to look internally for talent again.
That was entirely my point, i would prefer a Celtic league but because of money i cant see that happening. My ideal would be back to 4 pro teams with academy set-up below them feeding them, playing in a 12 team league with the Irish and Welsh sides and all of them attracting circa 20k through the gate every game, this however is not realistic so we have to make do.
Ah sorry, I misunderstood your point.
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Biffer29 wrote:
Lorthern Nights wrote:
Alba wrote:
Lorthern Nights wrote:
Big D wrote:Id prefer a return to something like the old Celtic League with perhaps an A competition that runs at the same time rather than further expansion.

The only reason we are talking about the SA and RG teams is because of money. Not to strengthen rugby in each of the countries or anything like that. Teams often send weakened sides to SA and Italy as it is, adding more teams will not change that.
Yeah, agreed. It would be a more competitive league with a Celtic league, although it would be poorer and in the current climate, considerably so.

Saw that the English prem is looking to slash its wage bill to try and make it sustainable, all leagues will be looking at this i suspect. Not good for the players but might help the financial health of the sport in the long term.
But would you accept the impacts that come with that? It's all very well saying that we'd be poorer, but where will you accept the reductions falling? Reduced pro team quality? Cut the sevens programme? Reduced club funding? Scrap the women's team? Scrap the academy system? None of those decisions would be popular. For me it is naive to think the SRU / Pro14 would do anything other than go after the money.

The rumored impact of the SARU teams on SR is around £20m per season. If the TV income from those teams joining the Pro18 was the same, when added to the current £30m per season the Pro14 brings in but divided by more teams, that is an additional £1.2m per season for the SRU. That funds 5 or 6 top Scottish internationals at the pro teams, or the sevens programme with change to spare. They can't do anything but go after the money, especially when the English teams may be reducing wage bills and the French teams are starting to look internally for talent again.
That was entirely my point, i would prefer a Celtic league but because of money i cant see that happening. My ideal would be back to 4 pro teams with academy set-up below them feeding them, playing in a 12 team league with the Irish and Welsh sides and all of them attracting circa 20k through the gate every game, this however is not realistic so we have to make do.
Yeah, it'd be great to be getting Leicester / Gloucester / Northampton style crowds every week. I can see that building with success, hopefully to Edinburgh and Glasgow regularly getting 10k+ for home games in the next 5-10 years. 1872 at Murrayfield is key - needs to be established in the rugby psyche at the same level as the 6Ns and AIs as a social event. Get up to 50k for that and then even if only 10% of that additional crowd come to a couple of extra games each season that's around a thousand on to each home game (although you'd hope for more). Might be able to expect a bigger boost for European home games as well if that happens.
This is a really good point actually. Marketing it as a grudge match just isn't going to work, not many people really hold a grudge between the two! But market it as a social event, BBQ's in the car park, champagne tents, schools/club games during the day as a build up etc etc could be great.
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BBQs in the carpark for a winter game in Scotland is bold :lol: .

I agree there's no significant grudge between teams because people are Scotland rugby fans before they are club rugby fans. I also think they should make it cheaper and give free tickets to rugby clubs.
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I like haggis wrote:BBQs in the carpark for a winter game in Scotland is bold :lol: .

I agree there's no significant grudge between teams because people are Scotland rugby fans before they are club rugby fans. I also think they should make it cheaper and give free tickets to rugby clubs.
:lol: I was actually thinking of the f**king Henley Regatta as I typed that!!
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Fvcking champagne tents?! I move in very different circles from you lot :lol:
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I like haggis wrote:BBQs in the carpark for a winter game in Scotland is bold :lol: .

I agree there's no significant grudge between teams because people are Scotland rugby fans before they are club rugby fans. I also think they should make it cheaper and give free tickets to rugby clubs.
Most people I know have Glasgow or Edinburgh as their second team. I think the only time it gets chippy is when Glasgow fans go on about an SRU bias towards Edinburgh.

Speaking of booze tents, does anyone remember the Budweiser tents before the Claymores games back in the 90's? They were a den of underage drinking. When I was 16 I looked about 12 and never once got ID'd :D
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OptimisticJock wrote:Fvcking champagne tents?! I move in very different circles from you lot :lol:
I am all for tosser quarantine areas at Murrayfield. Let them socially isolate with their champagne and school ties while normal people enjoy the rugby.
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OptimisticJock wrote:Fvcking champagne tents?! I move in very different circles from you lot :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Steamin Beamin wrote:
I like haggis wrote:BBQs in the carpark for a winter game in Scotland is bold :lol: .

I agree there's no significant grudge between teams because people are Scotland rugby fans before they are club rugby fans. I also think they should make it cheaper and give free tickets to rugby clubs.
Most people I know have Glasgow or Edinburgh as their second team. I think the only time it gets chippy is when Glasgow fans go on about an SRU bias towards Edinburgh.

Speaking of booze tents, does anyone remember the Budweiser tents before the Claymores games back in the 90's? They were a den of underage drinking. When I was 16 I looked about 12 and never once got ID'd :D
The Glasgow forum is currently awash with conspiracy theories on the basis that Andrew Davidson has signed for Edinburgh when Edinburgh already have more locks than Glasgow whilst conveniently forgetting Dobie and McLean moving the other way within the last year. I would also say that the Glasgow lock partnerships are stronger than anything that Edinburgh could put out; I would rate Cummings, Gray and Nakarawa more highly than both Toolis and Gilchrist.

I actually expect to see a few more movements from Edinburgh to Glasgow, particularly of young players. Jack Blain is a prime candidate I would think, as is one of the back rows (maybe Haining).

As a former Borders fan living in Edinburgh I support Edinburgh as my primary team and Glasgow as a very very close second. I definitely want both to do well, and an 1862 Pro14 decider would be my ideal result each season.
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Lorthern Nights wrote:
OptimisticJock wrote:Fvcking champagne tents?! I move in very different circles from you lot :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I have to hold my hands up to this one.... :blush: :lol:
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Alba wrote: The rumored impact of the SARU teams on SR is around £20m per season. If the TV income from those teams joining the Pro18 was the same, when added to the current £30m per season the Pro14 brings in but divided by more teams, that is an additional £1.2m per season for the SRU. That funds 5 or 6 top Scottish internationals at the pro teams, or the sevens programme with change to spare. They can't do anything but go after the money, especially when the English teams may be reducing wage bills and the French teams are starting to look internally for talent again.
That sum may be true, but that is for a competition where the top internationals and the bulk of the best players in the world play. Super Rugby is the premier competition for the teams involved. For a large part of season the Pro14 teams involved in the HEC it isn't a priority.

How long until the TV companies get fed up with the big teams sending 2nd and 3rd string players down to play in SA or paying for Kings v Zebre? Presumably CVC will get a share of TV money too further reducing what each team may get.

Of course they will go after the money. That's fine but it wont neccesarily make the league that much better if at all except for a few games at the business end a year.
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Alba wrote:
Steamin Beamin wrote:
I like haggis wrote:BBQs in the carpark for a winter game in Scotland is bold :lol: .

I agree there's no significant grudge between teams because people are Scotland rugby fans before they are club rugby fans. I also think they should make it cheaper and give free tickets to rugby clubs.
Most people I know have Glasgow or Edinburgh as their second team. I think the only time it gets chippy is when Glasgow fans go on about an SRU bias towards Edinburgh.

Speaking of booze tents, does anyone remember the Budweiser tents before the Claymores games back in the 90's? They were a den of underage drinking. When I was 16 I looked about 12 and never once got ID'd :D
The Glasgow forum is currently awash with conspiracy theories on the basis that Andrew Davidson has signed for Edinburgh when Edinburgh already have more locks than Glasgow whilst conveniently forgetting Dobie and McLean moving the other way within the last year. I would also say that the Glasgow lock partnerships are stronger than anything that Edinburgh could put out; I would rate Cummings, Gray and Nakarawa more highly than both Toolis and Gilchrist.

I actually expect to see a few more movements from Edinburgh to Glasgow, particularly of young players. Jack Blain is a prime candidate I would think, as is one of the back rows (maybe Haining).

As a former Borders fan living in Edinburgh I support Edinburgh as my primary team and Glasgow as a very very close second. I definitely want both to do well, and an 1862 Pro14 decider would be my ideal result each season.
Journos on twitter have suggested Nakarawa will be off down south. Although that may change.

Glasgow currently have 3 senior second rows under contract and one is a walking injury currently living off past glories.

There are obviously signings to come but that Glasgow squad is pretty thin right now.
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Alba wrote:
Steamin Beamin wrote:
I like haggis wrote:BBQs in the carpark for a winter game in Scotland is bold :lol: .

I agree there's no significant grudge between teams because people are Scotland rugby fans before they are club rugby fans. I also think they should make it cheaper and give free tickets to rugby clubs.
Most people I know have Glasgow or Edinburgh as their second team. I think the only time it gets chippy is when Glasgow fans go on about an SRU bias towards Edinburgh.

Speaking of booze tents, does anyone remember the Budweiser tents before the Claymores games back in the 90's? They were a den of underage drinking. When I was 16 I looked about 12 and never once got ID'd :D
The Glasgow forum is currently awash with conspiracy theories on the basis that Andrew Davidson has signed for Edinburgh when Edinburgh already have more locks than Glasgow whilst conveniently forgetting Dobie and McLean moving the other way within the last year. I would also say that the Glasgow lock partnerships are stronger than anything that Edinburgh could put out; I would rate Cummings, Gray and Nakarawa more highly than both Toolis and Gilchrist.

I actually expect to see a few more movements from Edinburgh to Glasgow, particularly of young players. Jack Blain is a prime candidate I would think, as is one of the back rows (maybe Haining).

As a former Borders fan living in Edinburgh I support Edinburgh as my primary team and Glasgow as a very very close second. I definitely want both to do well, and an 1862 Pro14 decider would be my ideal result each season.

The Glasgow forum can be hilarious sometimes when a few posters get completely frothy about SRU bias. Everything bad is the fault of the SRU / Edinburgh (they’re interchangeable apparently) and everything good is down to Bombrys and his team.
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Jonno Lance can't get a visa so deal is off.
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In reference to a few posts up, I am from Edinburgh and would call them my primary team, but agree that Glasgow are a close second. I would generally want Edinburgh to win the derby, but could live with Glasgow winning if they were in contention and Edinburgh weren’t. The joy I felt at Glasgow winning the Pro12 would only have been slightly increased if it were Embra (I just wanted a Scots team to win something).
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Big D wrote:Jonno Lance can't get a visa so deal is off.
Plan B it is then, Hastings to move from the feeder team :twisted:
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A look at how the Edinburgh Depth Chart is shaping up for next season:

https://ontopofthemoon.com/2020/06/15/e ... o-2020-21/

If you're interested in comparisons here's how the Glasgow Depth Chart was looking a few weeks back:

https://ontopofthemoon.com/2020/05/17/g ... o-2020-21/
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Apologies for the intrusion gents but could someone give me a brief overview of why Scotland has only 2 pro teams (I’m aware this may be a can of worms . .)?

Is it a lack of money or interest, both or something completely different?
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Jim Lahey wrote:Apologies for the intrusion gents but could someone give me a brief overview of why Scotland has only 2 pro teams (I’m aware this may be a can of worms . .)?

Is it a lack of money or interest, both or something completely different?
Money, probably lack of numbers of pro standard players, and that everyone hates each other so getting supporters to support a single team in somewhere like the Borders would be tough.

I think most of us would like to see a 3rd team but it's even further away after this.
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slick wrote:
Jim Lahey wrote:Apologies for the intrusion gents but could someone give me a brief overview of why Scotland has only 2 pro teams (I’m aware this may be a can of worms . .)?

Is it a lack of money or interest, both or something completely different?
Money, probably lack of numbers of pro standard players, and that everyone hates each other so getting supporters to support a single team in somewhere like the Borders would be tough.

I think most of us would like to see a 3rd team but it's even further away after this.
There are not enough pro standard players as there are not enough at any other level. Scotland has fewer registered players at every level than anyone else in the 6N. Even Italy has about 25% more adult male players.

The surprise is more that we can compete at the level we do rather than we should be at a higher level.
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Edinburgh01 wrote:
slick wrote:
Jim Lahey wrote:Apologies for the intrusion gents but could someone give me a brief overview of why Scotland has only 2 pro teams (I’m aware this may be a can of worms . .)?

Is it a lack of money or interest, both or something completely different?
Money, probably lack of numbers of pro standard players, and that everyone hates each other so getting supporters to support a single team in somewhere like the Borders would be tough.

I think most of us would like to see a 3rd team but it's even further away after this.
There are not enough pro standard players as there are not enough at any other level. Scotland has fewer registered players at every level than anyone else in the 6N. Even Italy has about 25% more adult male players.

The surprise is more that we can compete at the level we do rather than we should be at a higher level.
Yup agreed.

About 2.5 teams would probably be about right for us.

I'm still very keen (and I know there are lots of things in the way) of using London Scottish more. It seems typical of Scottish rugby that they and the SRU can't work together better.
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